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    Kings of Kennedy 2008 - Uphill time trial Sat, Sept. 6!!

    The official date is Saturday, Sept. 6

    The start times will be:
    9 am - 1 hour climbers
    9:15 - 35+ minute climbers
    9:30 - sub 35 minute climbers

    Arrive 20 minutes before your start time and give us your name and start time. We will give you a colored sticker with a number. Stick the sticker on your stem. When reach the top, yell out your number and you're done.



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    We need to get this going. We need some goals and motivation.

    Let's throw out some dates. August 30? Sept. 6?

    The object is to go up Kennedy trail as fast as possible (1800 feet in 4 miles I think). This is not a race or an event. We just need to time ourselves up the hill and maybe compare notes.

    Any interest? Where's that old thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    We need to get this going. We need some goals and motivation.

    Let's throw out some dates. August 30? Sept. 6?

    The object is to go up Kennedy trail as fast as possible (1800 feet in 4 miles I think). This is not a race or an event. We just need to time ourselves up the hill and maybe compare notes.

    Any interest? Where's that old thread?

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    The difference in altitude is 1800'. But there's some dips in the climb that total about another 100', so it's around 1900' of climb altogether.

    Even though I'm usually at the bottom of the chart at around 75 minutes, I really enjoy and am amazed at seeing what others are capable of doing.
    It's not slow, it's doing more MTB time.

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    Was there this wknd, noticed that hardtail is about 10 minutes more efficient than a VPP bike.

    The 1800' in 4 miles is deceiving IMO, if it was 450' per mile, that is not that steep at all.

    There are times when the grade is so steep corner after corner, then after the resting point midway, I can ride big chainring for a while.

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    So, when you say "get up" do you mean to interection with Priest Rock/Dogmeat, or where it ends at Woods/Limekiln? Either way, it sounds like a good diversion from my weekly "how fast to the top of Minehill?" ride

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    i think I'm in....August 30th much better for me. Will be in serious alcohol detox from companies sales meeting the week 9/2-9/5 if it's on the 6th LOL.

    Haven't done Kennedy in a while at least a year or so (didnt do Kings v1 last yr). I think last effort on my 26er HT was a shade under 45 min. Hopefully can best that on the 29er HT this time around.

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    There were a few hiccups last year around the timing procedures and official course

    Let's define the end point clearly now - even though the end point was called out last year, people still didn't read it or understand that it wasn't the signpost. We might just want to move it to the signpost... or stick with the top of the hill, as cherring everone up it was fun.

    We'll then come up with some better process and timing methods as the date approaches... the biggest problem was the random mass of people starting at random times.

    It was fun trying to record "guy on blue bike's time", and figure out if he started in group B, B-, C or maybe just riding for fun on his own. We'll either have paper plates and sharpie's at the start - no plate=no time, or maybe someone can get a set of race numbers donated...

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    September 6 looks good for me. I should be heading out for school a week or two after that.

    AS for the end point, I say keep it at the tree so we can compare times to last year's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJeff
    There were a few hiccups last year around the timing procedures and official course

    Let's define the end point clearly now - even though the end point was called out last year, people still didn't read it or understand that it wasn't the signpost. We might just want to move it to the signpost... or stick with the top of the hill, as cherring everone up it was fun.

    We'll then come up with some better process and timing methods as the date approaches... the biggest problem was the random mass of people starting at random times.

    It was fun trying to record "guy on blue bike's time", and figure out if he started in group B, B-, C or maybe just riding for fun on his own. We'll either have paper plates and sharpie's at the start - no plate=no time, or maybe someone can get a set of race numbers donated...
    The finish line is the tree at the top of the hill. We can put a flag there.

    Where's the results from last year? I"m going for most improved time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loll
    Was there this wknd, noticed that hardtail is about 10 minutes more efficient than a VPP bike.

    The 1800' in 4 miles is deceiving IMO, if it was 450' per mile, that is not that steep at all.

    There are times when the grade is so steep corner after corner, then after the resting point midway, I can ride big chainring for a while.
    Correct. since there is about a mile of flat and downhill, this really is 1900 feet of climb in 3 miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    ....Where's the results from last year? I"m going for most improved time.

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    Here--->Search for the Kennedy King - official thread

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    Will there be a SS category? And FS? And HT? And Tandem? And...

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    Sounds like a fun challenge.

    starts from kennedy road entrance, finishes at tree up top?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biking Brazilian
    Will there be a SS category? And FS? And HT? And Tandem? And...
    Nope. But we can certainly pencil in the bike type in the results and take not of category standouts.

    I won White Nomad class last year btw.

    The interesting class is family class with rider/father/mother times combined. The De Jongs won by a narrow margin.

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    Oh Duck The Futch

    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    September 6 looks good for me. I should be heading out for school a week or two after that.year's.
    Oh duck the futch! We all KNOW how this is going to work out........ Let's just save all the time, energy and fuss and give the friggin "trophy" to Menso Now. Then reserve a sticky spot at the top of the Norcal board for J.L. to explain it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Nope. But we can certainly pencil in the bike type in the results and take not of category standouts.

    I won White Nomad class last year btw.

    The interesting class is family class with rider/father/mother times combined. The De Jongs won by a narrow margin.

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    How about couples? My girfriend wants to give it a try this year. For what it's worth, she handed my butt to me on a platter yesterday in the SF half marathon. I can't walk now.
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    Only if she rides on the handlebars

    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    How about couples? My girfriend wants to give it a try this year.
    Only if is she rides on the handlebars - that would at least give some other people a chance.
    Jeez, don't turn this into the "Special Olympics": where everybody has a class, and everybody gets a medal.
    First to the top, human powered [or, alien appearing in human form - Menso] is the winner.
    I'll watch.

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    Never rode Kennedy

    How does the Kennedy climb compare to Mission Peak, coming up from Ohlone College? That climb is 2100 ft over 4 miles. Seems like the stats and amount of pain is about the same.

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    Mission Peak vs Kennedy.

    Mission Peak starts out a lot steeper, it has a fun single track section and seems quite a bit longer to make it all the way to the top. That would make a good time trial climb as well. Maybe some other day?
    September 6 at 8am would work for me. You don't want to do this climb too late in the day as it gets very hot on the exposed fire road up.
    I'll try to get under 40 minutes for the first time to win the 45+ category.
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    I'm in for this!

    I need others to join me for a 11mile "warm up" to the the trail head however.

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    Yes, Lets bring this back.

    We have all month to train and since its 50,000 foot month right now this should be easy by the time this climb comes around

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    Probably a longshot, but if there's any chance of catching a ride from Chico then I'm totally down for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by w00t!
    Probably a longshot, but if there's any chance of catching a ride from Chico then I'm totally down for it.
    That is a longshot, but make a weekend out of it. Do the kennedy torture run, then go hit Demo, the next day hit Skeggs and head back home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E
    Either way, it sounds like a good diversion from my weekly "how fast to the top of Minehill?" ride
    What are your times to the top of Mine Hill? I've done 28'25" from the Hacienda entrance... I'm not 25 yo either!

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    I'm all in!

    FC, if I'm in town I'd love to come up and give it a go. We have our local 24 HR race at Kualoa Ranch that weekend, so if I'm off I'll be back home. Maybe I could put the Ritchey Breakaway to the test up Kennedy!

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    Even though every part of my being says don't, I feel some magnetic energy that brings me back. I am in for this and don't care what date. I am only trying to break my PR of 49 minutes. Good motivator to train hard this month. No excuses not to ride anymore. See you guys all out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmarshall
    Even though every part of my being says don't, I feel some magnetic energy....
    Funny. I hate climbing, am not that fast a climber, and know I'll get embarassed.... yet I feel the urge to give it a go. Here comes the pain!

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    Earn your Rollercoaster bragging rights too.

    After the hill climb race and a well deserved rest at the top of the Kennedy wall, you can all earn bragging rights by clearing the two walls on Rollercoaster as well before heading back down (Dogmeat, Overgrown and Jones trail, of course) for the lunch time picnic in the park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bail_Monkey
    What are your times to the top of Mine Hill? I've done 28'25" from the Hacienda entrance... I'm not 25 yo either!
    I did 30'01" from Hacienda last week. I started riding again this past April, after not riding for about 8 years, and have been doing this pretty much every Tuesday night since then. Tonight, however, I'm heading up from Mockingbird. Figure I need to work more on the steep stuff. And I'm not 25 either
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    I agree that Mission Peak is harder and steeper. Anyway, what we did once a few years back on a much shorter climb was to do a staggered start based on everybody expected time. When done well, everybody ends at the top at around the same time. This is way more fun.

    Say that BL is good for 65 mns and Menso for 35 mns, Menso would start last 30 mns behind BL.
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    All I remember from last year is a nice BBQ in the park at the end (there's going to be pulled pork, right Jeff???)

    Haven't climbed Kennedy in a while, let's see if the 4 pounds lighter bike makes any difference at all... we'd better go back to a regular HCW schedule.

    See you there.

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    gOk, we need some volunteers. If I was in charge, nothing would happen. Rensho is getting married right now so he's busy.

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    And this is not a race or an event. We're just comparing times up a hill.

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    If it's 9/6, I for sure can't do it (flying out).
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    Is it safe to say Mission Peak via Ohlone College is a little longer and overall steeper grade, but Kennedy is tougher because it has steeper "walls"?

    Also, how bad is lack of parking at Kennedy? Is it just easier to park somewhere downtown and ride to the trailhead? My laziness has some boundaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffh
    Yes, Lets bring this back.

    We have all month to train and since its 50,000 foot month right now this should be easy by the time this climb comes around

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    I'm a crappy climber, but IMHO Mission Peak is harder as it's a steeper average grade. The only thing that's hard about Kennedy is the last wall. We also usually don't see radars at MP. OTOH, you can put together a more enjoyable loop at Kennedy whereas MP is pretty much up and back down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bstyle74
    Is it safe to say Mission Peak via Ohlone College is a little longer and overall steeper grade, but Kennedy is tougher because it has steeper "walls"?

    Also, how bad is lack of parking at Kennedy? Is it just easier to park somewhere downtown and ride to the trailhead? My laziness has some boundaries.

    Easier to park at the bottom of Kennedy Rd. at Los Gatos Blvd. Use the ride to the trailhead as a warm up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bstyle74
    How does the Kennedy climb compare to Mission Peak, coming up from Ohlone College? That climb is 2100 ft over 4 miles. Seems like the stats and amount of pain is about the same.

    I rode Mission peak for two years then I moved and did Kennedy for a few years as well.

    They are almost the same. The college side of Mission Peak and Kennedy feel like the same time and effort to get to the top. Mission Peak allows you to see your elevation gain a bit more dramatically since you can see the valley on the initial and last rise.

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    looking for a good excuse to ride the "new" bike

    what day is this gonna go down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois

    And this is not a race or an event. We're just comparing times up a hill.

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    This is an important distinction. When I track my R32 at Laguna, it's "not a race or event" either. Why? Insurance companies will laugh at you if you try to file a claim if you say you were racing.

    I'm sure the same might apply with medical insurance. "I was racing up Kennedy..."

    It's also good for my ego since I'd be embarrassed to see my time if we were actually racing. On a related note, can times be kept confidential?!

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    Is it already one year ago ...

    ... since the last time? Time flies.

    Unfortunately I won't be there to fight for a better time this year. This means, Francis you have to bring your own water this time

    Wish you guys a lot of fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJeff
    We'll then come up with some better process and timing methods as the date approaches... the biggest problem was the random mass of people starting at random times.
    The timing method the Toro Park DH races use might work well. They write down your start time on your number plate and let people go at 1 minute intervals. Your finishing time is calculated from the time written on your number plate after you cross the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bstyle74
    Is it safe to say Mission Peak via Ohlone College is a little longer and overall steeper grade, but Kennedy is tougher because it has steeper "walls"?

    Also, how bad is lack of parking at Kennedy? Is it just easier to park somewhere downtown and ride to the trailhead? My laziness has some boundaries.

    The three walls are actually not that tough at all. If as a last resort, put it on your granny and you can easily cruise up the top. The hard part is little before the flat resting tree groove. That part is steep for a long duration. Is where I drop from middle ring to small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loll
    The three walls are actually not that tough at all. If as a last resort, put it on your granny and you can easily cruise up the top. The hard part is little before the flat resting tree groove. That part is steep for a long duration. Is where I drop from middle ring to small.
    I don't think you're talking about the three walls. The three walls are after the summit and the Priest Rock intersection.

    They're hard. The last wall on the summit climb is hard too. Let's not dance around that and make the people who walk it feel bad.

    Traction is bad too and that adds to the challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erisch
    ... since the last time? Time flies.

    Unfortunately I won't be there to fight for a better time this year. This means, Francis you have to bring your own water this time

    Wish you guys a lot of fun

    erisch
    Yeah, keep hiding in bavaria mr. third place finisher. You know you want to fly out back here and defend your podium position.

    That's why I sucked last year. I had no agua!

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    I've challenged Clark Foy from SJBC to beat Menso. Clark was only 24 seconds behind Menso last year. Let's hear it for the 40+ crowd.

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    Ok, so I went out and did the climb tonight and am a bit confused about where the end is. Based on the Google earth image on King Kennedy Climb: Sat Sept. 8 - Search of the Kings , the finish is quite a ways before the Priest Rock/ Dogmeat intersection. I didn't find anything "wall" like until just before the intersection, however, and didn't stop until the intersection. Did I go too far or not far enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E
    Ok, so I went out and did the climb tonight and am a bit confused about where the end is. Based on the Google earth image on King Kennedy Climb: Sat Sept. 8 - Search of the Kings , the finish is quite a ways before the Priest Rock/ Dogmeat intersection. I didn't find anything "wall" like until just before the intersection, however, and didn't stop until the intersection. Did I go too far or not far enough?

    The finish is where it levels out before the intersection. If you keep on riding, it takes 30 seconds to a minute to get to the intersection.
    Here is the approach as you climb: after 3.5ish miles you reach the "false summit" and the short downhill that follows. The road turns right for a small climb. Then there are the two "walls". The first is not so bad, most people make it. It then very briefly (30 yards or less) flattens a little before the second wall. Many walk this due to the combination of grade and loose dirt. The finish is at a (relatively) large tree on the left about 20 yards after the steepest part of the second "wall".
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    The tree that marks the end of this not-race-nor-event is at the center of this image:

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...01969&t=h&z=19

    Zoom out for orientation.

    "The wall" is from North to South and ends at that tree. Mere mortals and weak SS'ers like myself walk that sections. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    The finish is where it levels out before the intersection. If you keep on riding, it takes 30 seconds to a minute to get to the intersection.
    Here is the approach as you climb: after 3.5ish miles you reach the "false summit" and the short downhill that follows. The road turns right for a small climb. Then there are the two "walls". The first is not so bad, most people make it. It then very briefly (30 yards or less) flattens a little before the second wall. Many walk this due to the combination of grade and loose dirt. The finish is at a (relatively) large tree on the left about 20 yards after the steepest part of the second "wall".
    Thanks Menso, that clears it up. I was just past 51 minutes to the intersection, so it looks like I've got a ways to go before becomming Kennedy royalty. But if I can get down to 45mins, and clear the 2nd wall, by the time the ride rolls around I'll be more than happy.
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