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    Oh my ride report?

    It doesn't really matter that my bike worked well and that I got a new PR. Nope, who cares.

    The important thing is I charged up the first hill (from the back ), then I took the lead to the top and didn't slide out on the first descent. And then it was over. The Olympian and his gang caught me, the end.

    My breakaway was doomed from the start but my mentor Thomas Voeckler would have been proud!

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    Thanks to all for putting that together



    Thanks for pulling this event together. I have to say I don't know the group but took advantage of your timed event and except of a bit of pain, a lung collapse, had a great time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    This is Patrick on the left and someone I recruited from last week's ride. (name?)
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/zUz33XA_87C0xh4se4ObRg"><img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/fcebedo/SMLvaZqBe0I/AAAAAAAAO10/mDC_NdmKQuU/s800/IMG_8582.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/fcebedo/952008Kennedy">9-5-2008 kennedy</a></td></tr></table>
    That's "No Helmet" Aaron on the right.

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    Thanks to all that set this up and took the pics. I had my GPS and captured the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Ali was awesome as the master of ceromonies! Ali was rear-ended in the car a couple of weeks ago and is a bit injured.
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/pK-7zLaMS4q0bfUdnfkrcw"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/fcebedo/SMLsjQb3U_I/AAAAAAAAOyA/UCA8HHnPoeg/s800/IMG_8549.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/fcebedo/952008Kennedy">9-5-2008 kennedy</a></td></tr></table>
    Forget the back injury man... That's poison oak rubbing my leg there! I will take pictures in a couple of days.

    I took it really easy for my ride:

    - Didn't even run the downhills
    - Walked many times
    - Even stopped to chat with a group of riders for a couple of minutes
    - As a result, 57+ minutes is horrible compared to my last year's 46+

    I am very happy that my buddy Han came and to my surprise posted the slowest time as he claimed he would! That means that he passed all of the no-shows, including my other buddies (hint, hint). You're the man Han!

    My other hero is Zen_Turtle who did 41 minutes! He gave this mortal hope that he may not have started his downhill yet.

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    Sorry we missed out on the fun.

    Wow, 17 riders under 40 minutes. Francis is one of the Kings now and Marco is getting close with a 41:50! Congratulations.

    My golf was pathetic, as usual. I should sell my clubs and concentrate on biking. Sorry we missed the festivities. Hope to be back next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL de Jong

    My golf was pathetic, as usual. I should sell my club and concentrate on biking.

    - J.L.
    You can carry up to 14 clubs.

    I was up until 1 AM this morning working on a computer and woke up at 8:45 AM. I did walk the dog at 10 AM.

    I think it's time to create a separate cross bike field.
    We take care of your technology needs so you can focus on what's important.

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    Get Much Faster Francis

    and you will have to start racing expert class.

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    Isn't that why

    Francois organizes his own race?

    What do you say to a friend that flaked and then says he should have gone?

    Francois...Patrick thinks you're a pretty cool dude. I don't know how to judge that from a kid that likes hanging out with the likes of Keith White and Scott Schlachter from TWW!

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    Click on the links to view photos of the riders. Click on the magnifying glass to view close-ups.

    Final Time Place Name
    0:30:20 1 Clark Foy
    0:31:44 2 Chuck
    0:31:59 3 Don Myrah
    0:32:19 4 Cesar Chavez
    0:32:45 5 Fillet Brazed
    0:33:44 6 Mitt Stewart
    0:34:27 7 Craig Sanders
    0:35:05 8 Alex Wild
    0:35:16 9 Krishna
    0:35:30 10 Kirk (Foggy)
    0:36:10 11 Francois
    0:36:37 12 Chris
    0:37:02 13 Tick
    0:37:33 14 Tim Cannard
    0:37:51 15 Mike
    0:39:16 16 Roger Allen
    0:39:51 17 Alex
    0:41:14 18 Steve W
    0:41:30 19 Jim A
    0:41:50 20 Zen Turtle
    0:42:10 21 MSH
    0:43:27 22 Bogdan
    0:44:00 23 Mark
    0:44:25 24 Victor
    0:44:26 25 Rumpfy
    0:44:55 26 Chris
    0:45:01 27 Anthony
    0:45:24 28 Bryan
    0:45:44 29 Charlie
    0:45:47 30 Pete
    0:46:00 31 Greg Butler
    0:46:21 32 Roy
    0:47:02 33 Brian
    0:47:40 34 Harry
    0:48:43 35 Daryl
    0:48:43 36 Aaron
    0:49:48 37 Doug
    0:51:32 38 Gary
    0:52:52 39 Amiel
    0:53:56 40 Kathleen
    0:54:57 41 Mike
    0:55:11 42 Mark
    0:57:25 43 Ed
    0:57:27 44 Michelle
    0:57:37 45 Ali
    1:02:51 46 Chris Huter
    1:10:34 47 Terry
    1:19:45 48 Patrick
    1:29:45 49 Han

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    FC - the rider pictured here http://picasaweb.google.com/clarkfoy...95498419644706 is 0:35:16 9 Krishna, not Alex Wild.

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    This was my first timed run up the hill. I guess I have a number to beat next time.
    0:45:47 30 Pete

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    Thanks again for putting this on!

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    That looks like a great time guys. I was cheering you guys on while watching F1 qualifying with my foot up on the ottoman.

    You all rawk in my book for heading up that hill in that heat. Looks like Jeff and crew did a great job with timing and scoring.

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    Hellishly hot but fun ride

    I was a little late because of my futile efforts to get more much needed sleep. I felt tapped out and tired when I got out of bed. I missed the 9:00 group and started with the 9:15 group instead. That was probably one of my worst rides ever, probably second only to racing at the Sea Otter while coming down with the flu. Man was it hot today! I backed off after the first steep climb so I can cool down a bit. I took my bandana off but that didn't help much. My legs were still kinda fresh near the top but my heart rate was way up there and I just had that feeling of my core being profoundly drained. I thought I was gonna puke and dismounted just before the last wall. I'm just glad I finished in under an hour. It's only my second time climbing Kennedy and I thought the first time it was way easier. Probably because there was lechon at the top then .

    Anyway, It was great riding with a group again.

    I'll post pics later. I somehow got tricked into going to Capitola's Art and Wine fest this evening and just got home.

    Thanks for the schwag francois .
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    Off the charts

    Fast Eddy and I did a unmetered ride, starting around 10 minutes to 9AM. FE took off as the 9:30 AM Kings swooped by, and got up well before me.

    I took around 1h35m by my estimation - putting me off the chart, likely maintaining my position as "slowest rider". However I spent a lot of time chatting, taking pictures, walking, and, oh, riding my bike - but not really racing.

    I've done much better times before, but was taking it real easy today just to have fun. Pictures coming later.

    Oh, and by weird coincidence I was surprised to also see Menso today - working at Evolution Bike shop, where he has another couple weeks before going back to school. He asked about the race and was amused to hear his "King" record is still standing. My wife and I were looking for a new bike for her entry into MTB. The Giant Trance X2 was very nice, but has a high stand over clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan51
    Nice bike dude!!!!
    You may think you have the same bike. And might have nail-polish painted rotors. But you won't have the Darryl special - Symmetrically wrapped chainstays.

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    What is this Rumpfy bike on its maiden voyage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rj2
    You can carry up to 14 clubs.

    I was up until 1 AM this morning working on a computer and woke up at 8:45 AM. I did walk the dog at 10 AM.

    I think it's time to create a separate cross bike field.
    There's no shows and then there's NO SHOWS. What da?

    Anyway I just wanted to get everyone out there. Y'all missed a good day with great folks on the evil hill.

    I'll do some more PR runs on the hill this month. Then it's on to do the great Turkey ride!

    video of 9am start
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    Great riding guys!

    Top ten FC! Nice!!! Congrats on the way fast time. Maybe you like the heat more than you let on?
    Great job too MSH - you're obviously ready for Whiskeytown Mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jms
    Top ten FC! Nice!!! Congrats on the way fast time. Maybe you like the heat more than you let on?
    Great job too MSH - you're obviously ready for Whiskeytown Mark.
    Ahh, today I'm full on sick with a chest infection. I have to miss the roadbikereview ride <img src="http://forums.sidc.co.uk/style_emoticons/default/beer-smiley.gif">

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    No women took part? What a sausage fest!
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    Thanks for organizing this. Even with that heat it was a lot of fun to battle it out up the hill. Met a lot of nice people, too. I had Myrah 5-10 seconds ahead of me for the first 20 minutes or so and then snapped and fell back. I got excited thinking I could maybe beat the former World Champion, but I'll have to wait for next year.

    Fun enough to come back. Man, my hill climb bike concoction was ugly! I have already begun putting it back to normal. I think we need to do this again maybe in the fall or spring with some moist dirt and cooler temps. Fun stuff. Thanks to all involved.

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    Nice,

    44.25 on Nomad, now I even broke my lousy Ibis record of 44.40. I guess changing strat a bit, going with camelback instead of loosing time by drinking out of bottles and good old punish yourself more ... well next time. Or better just to steal FC's bike and hit sub 40s

    But main strategy worked well, I knew if I bring Ibis I would have to race Marco and that would be painfull
    I used to run tubes like you are, but then I got thorn in my wheel.

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    Thanx!

    That was miserable, but fun!
    Thanks Francois, JustJeff, Ali & Jonala (& anyone else) for makin this happen!
    See Ya in November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jms
    ...Great job too MSH - you're obviously ready for Whiskeytown Mark.
    Thx John. I was honestly disappointed with my performance, as I was targeting to hit the 39-40 mark. Not completely surprising though considering I pretty much ate like a pig and boozed up hard Tuesday, Wed, and Thurs at my co's sales meeting.

    On the Whiskeytown note...I'm registered up for the 8hr solo, so I'll see you there! Need to shave 5 lbs off my gut between now and then 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalk
    Nice,

    44.25 on Nomad, now I even broke my lousy Ibis record of 44.40. I guess changing strat a bit, going with camelback instead of loosing time by drinking out of bottles and good old punish yourself more ... well next time. Or better just to steal FC's bike and hit sub 40s

    But main strategy worked well, I knew if I bring Ibis I would have to race Marco and that would be painfull
    You beat Snowjnky http://picasaweb.google.com/clarkfoy...95128683825762 by a few seconds in the Nomad division.

    You guys have good all-mountain form.

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    More photos

    Do you have a permit for this?


    At the top


    Chris(?) flew up the hill on his big bike


    Fast Eddy on one of his vintage rides


    9:00 group


    9:15 group


    9:30 group


    Big Larry


    Bling!


    Posing with the Kings
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    What is this Rumpfy bike on its maiden voyage?

    Mill Valley special.

    Wilderness Trail Bikes Phoenix SE. (Yes, WTB made frames, built by Steve Potts)

    1995/6 WTB Phoenix Stealth Resto-mod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    You beat Snowjnky http://picasaweb.google.com/clarkfoy...95128683825762 by a few seconds in the Nomad division.

    You guys have good all-mountain form.

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    Nah, he was faster, his bike was just heavier
    I used to run tubes like you are, but then I got thorn in my wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalk
    Nah, he was faster, his bike was just heavier
    yeah it's heavier...but it's still a Nomad and you took the Nomad Cat. Congrats
    sub 45 on any 6" travel bike gets props. next year we should have our own start time but the finish will be Lexington. AM baby
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky
    yeah it's heavier...but it's still a Nomad and you took the Nomad Cat. Congrats
    sub 45 on any 6" travel bike gets props. next year we should have our own start time but the finish will be Lexington. AM baby

    I assume Lexington comes after some descending? If so, I'd be up for that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    I assume Lexington comes after some descending? If so, I'd be up for that too.
    Lexington comes after a massive 50 mph descent.

    Rangers who are reading this board.... they are just kidding about that. Crazy kids .

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Lexington comes after a massive 52 mph descent.

    Rangers who are reading this board.... they are just kidding about that. Crazy kids .

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    True dat! Nothing sounds worse than getting a ticket going down the most mind numbing descent after doing the most miserable climb in the BA. Speaking of tickets, didn't someone get a ticket on Sat? I heard he was being a jerkoff. Guys like this are going to make it a lot harder to do rides like this. Please be nice to the rangers when they are being nice to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Lexington comes after a massive 50 mph descent.

    Rangers who are reading this board.... they are just kidding about that. Crazy kids .

    fc

    oops, scratch that. Forgive my ignorance on your terrain over the hill there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky
    Speaking of tickets, didn't someone get a ticket on Sat? I heard he was being a jerkoff. Guys like this are going to make it a lot harder to do rides like this. Please be nice to the rangers when they are being nice to us.
    Yeah, who was that?? I heard riders all around him kept telling him to slow down since he was way over 15 mph right near the rangers. I heard he kept mouthing off to the rangers until they gave him a ticket. He wasn't part of our group apparently.

    Also, Aaron <- no helmet was turned back on his climb start and was very upset at the rangers. Left a big impression on them and the rangers talked to me about him. He was probably really disappointed about missing the start but c'mon. No helmet? That's normally a $300 fine. Say thank you, get your helmet and climb .

    I'm really not happy about mid-pen management. But everytime I've talked to the rangers this year, (specially Turkey ride) I'm left with a good impression.

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    $300 buys a very nice helmet!

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    Helmet is a no brainer. If you've been on any trial anywhere in the Bay Area, you should know better.

    Don't be upset at people who are looking out for your safety, even if you're not.
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    Its a bit of a nanny state when youre required to wear a helmet to climb a 4 mile hill in 90 degree heat. I do plenty of rides without one and thats my own personal choice.

    As far as the rangers, sure I was disappointed but I felt like I wasnt rude to them. If thats the case I apologize for giving our sport and group a bad impression. Wasnt really expecting them to show at the start like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Yeah, who was that?? I heard riders all around him kept telling him to slow down since he was way over 15 mph right near the rangers. I heard he kept mouthing off to the rangers until they gave him a ticket. He wasn't part of our group apparently.

    Also, Aaron <- no helmet was turned back on his climb start and was very upset at the rangers. Left a big impression on them and the rangers talked to me about him. He was probably really disappointed about missing the start but c'mon. No helmet? That's normally a $300 fine. Say thank you, get your helmet and climb .

    I'm really not happy about mid-pen management. But everytime I've talked to the rangers this year, (specially Turkey ride) I'm left with a good impression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox
    Its a bit of a nanny state when youre required to wear a helmet to climb a 4 mile hill in 90 degree heat. I do plenty of rides without one and thats my own personal choice.

    As far as the rangers, sure I was disappointed but I felt like I wasnt rude to them. If thats the case I apologize for giving our sport and group a bad impression. Wasnt really expecting them to show at the start like that.
    Hey, is that you Aaron? I'm really glad you showed up man. And that's cool you rode up and got timed anyway.

    No slam intended on my part. But we're out there as a group and the problem with an uphill ITT is you still have to get down from the mountain. They didn't say you were rude to them. More like: "Man, that guy was really upset. Is he ok yet?"

    The rangers are here on this forum and on this thread. That's just how it is and we learn to live with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox
    As far as the rangers, sure I was disappointed but I felt like I wasnt rude to them.
    Is that Aaron? Very nice to meet and ride with you... I am glad that you decided to come back after all.

    No, you were not rude at the start at all, and I don't think the rangers meant it about you. It has been rumored that the speeding ticket incident had an upset rider.

    I too want to thank the rangers publicly for their friendliness. I can't think that they could be any more polite or understanding than they were. Tolerance is such a great thing!

    I agree with you about the climb with no helmet (no gloves too! ) but I still think it's a good idea to wear one coming down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky
    yeah it's heavier...but it's still a Nomad and you took the Nomad Cat. Congrats
    sub 45 on any 6" travel bike gets props. next year we should have our own start time but the finish will be Lexington. AM baby
    Well let's put it in that way. We beat FC on the Nomad from last year I think it was 45.30ish
    I used to run tubes like you are, but then I got thorn in my wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Yeah, who was that?? I heard riders all around him kept telling him to slow down since he was way over 15 mph right near the rangers. I heard he kept mouthing off to the rangers until they gave him a ticket. He wasn't part of our group apparently.
    Fast Eddy, me, and another guy were trying to stay under 15 MPH as required. I took the lead so I could make sure with all my speedometers we were properly under the limit.

    Then around this corner, some guy is zipping fast around us. We all shout hard at him, but he ignores us and anything we're saying. Karma is swift and a few seconds later he's clocked by the rangers. I heard the rangers say he was nailed doing over 20-something.

    Kathleen (mtbikermom) was having a friendly chit-chat with the rangers at the time, and hears the guy approach with an attitude "I suppose you're going to give me a ticket now, aren't you!' Up to then Kat says the rangers were just issuing warnings.
    It's not slow, it's doing more MTB time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLarry
    Fast Eddy, me, and another guy were trying to stay under 15 MPH as required. I took the lead so I could make sure with all my speedometers we were properly under the limit.
    Ha, ha, ha . I knew about your GPS fetish but I didn't know you triangulate speedometer data too.

    What did that guy look like? Not part of our group? I heard he got a ticket last week too. I want photos so I can avoid that badazz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalk
    Well let's put it in that way. We beat FC on the Nomad from last year I think it was 45.30ish
    Yep, I was darn proud of that time. Now my Nomad is gone so your record is safe.

    I have a powertap hub and it can go on any of my bikes. So i'll put it on three different bikes and climb up at an average of 200 watts. I'll post all the times and hopefully we can tell how much difference the bike makes. Bikes:
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Yep, I was darn proud of that time. Now my Nomad is gone so your record is safe.

    I have a powertap hub and it can go on any of my bikes. So i'll put it on three different bikes and climb up at an average of 200 watts. I'll post all the times and hopefully we can tell how much difference the bike makes. Bikes:
    Look Bike - 17 lbs
    Ti Singlespeed - 20 lbs
    Fuji Reveal - 28 lbs

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    If you keep the power the same you can calculate time pretty accurately w/ simple math (or the internet).

    http://bikecalculator.com/tripUS.html

    I'd rather see how much a lighter bike affects max sustained power output. Go do a few runs at 100% HR and report back!
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    Quote Originally Posted by timehoc
    If you keep the power the same you can calculate time pretty accurately w/ simple math (or the internet).

    http://bikecalculator.com/tripUS.html

    I'd rather see how much a lighter bike affects max sustained power output. Go do a few runs at 100% HR and report back!
    So what's your time calculations for the three bikes??

    How does a lighter bike affect sustained power output? I do not compute. Are you trying to confuse me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    So what's your time calculations for the three bikes??

    How does a lighter bike affect sustained power output? I do not compute. Are you trying to confuse me?

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    For a 155lb rider pedaling up 1900 feet at 200 watts

    33.25 min + 10%
    37.97
    39.25

    Power formula for climbs:

    bike + rider weight (kg) x 9.8 x elevation gain (meters) / time (seconds) = power (watts). Add 10% for rolling and air resistance.

    Basically I want to know how much a lighter bike will enable me to mash up the hill harder.

    http://www2.trainingbible.com/joesbl...r-formula.html

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    But will you complete all three trips on the same day?

    You'll need Larry to coordinate weather conditions, wind and temp to get a truly accurate & scientific result!

    As for the speeder, the ranger chatting to me said whoa...I gotta talk with this guy, he was going 20 miles an hour. It wasn't the speed that caught their attention as much as the slide as he came around the corner and saw their truck. His first words back to them were "are you gonna give me a ticket?"
    It was his manner and words that got him a ticket. He needs a lesson or two in humility and understanding...there are a few on TWW that could help out there. I watched one of the guys one day, it was a good lesson for my kids to watch how to act when you know you're wrong (oh yea...they were both there!).

    Patrick said he saw the same guy getting a ticket last week on St Joe's.
    Bad Karma...Arron was upset he couldn't ride but he was never like that guy that got the ticket. Big difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by timehoc
    For a 155lb rider pedaling 3.9 miles up 1900 feet at 200 watts..... the interwebs spits out times of :

    43.97 minutes
    45.25
    46.79

    Actual formula:

    bike + rider weight (kg) x 9.8 x elevation gain (meters) / time (seconds) = power (watts). Add 10% for rolling and air resistance.

    Basically I want to know how much a lighter bike will enable me to mash up the hill harder.

    Sincerely,
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    Sweet numbers. I also have the other variables of singlespeed and FS bike.

    I don't think a lighter bike can get you pedaling harder with more power. It may have more to do with:
    - how much you spent on the bike and how much you still owe
    - how much smack talk was done by your buddy chasing you at the moment
    - how far Johnny Law is behind you and how big his dogs are.
    - mountain lion!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Sweet numbers. I also have the other variables of singlespeed and FS bike.

    I don't think a lighter bike can get you pedaling harder with more power. It may have more to do with:
    - how much you spent on the bike and how much you still owe
    - how much smack was done by your buddy chasing you at the moment
    - how far Johnny Law is behind you and how big his dogs are.
    - mountain lion!!

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    Based on the formula the numbers are a little quicker. The formula doesn't count mileage so as opposed to the one on the interwebs. Maybe the 10% compensator is road specific? So basically my head hurts now.

    Paging BigLarry to the white courtesy phone.
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