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    Quote Originally Posted by moschika
    that was my sswc08 strategy and I wouldn't recommend it.
    No choice at this point. I might get a commuter day if I'm lucky, but 40 flat roadie miles won't prepare you for 4 miles of Kennedy. I'll be alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy
    That's what I'm riding too; thumbies baby! I think mine might be around 24 or 24.5. I've never timed myself going up there. I'd like to break an hour with no training, or even riding. I'm going with the off-the-bike-for-a-couple-weeks strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    You going to ride that Stumpjumper of yours? I'd like to see that one in person.
    You want it clean, or au natural? It is not a garage queen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy
    You want it clean, or au natural? It is not a garage queen.

    Know where I can get some XT canti pads?

    Don't clean it on my account. They're better dirty.

    You need one set of pads or two?
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    Maybe time for a roll call

    Lot's of chatting around here.
    Seems like everybody's strategy this year is resting to the last minute and then give all on the 6th...

    I'm glad to hear people are riding WW2 bikes up the hill, but who's in?
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    I'm in. Sorry I didn't make it to today's HCW. The home improvement went on until late tonight. No ride at all todady .

    Where do y'all park for KoK?
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    I am in.

    There is a little complication: lower back issue either due to the rear-end accident that we suffered, or due to compensation for the soreness because of it. :/

    Should be fine by the 6th.

    Somewhat interesting accident that involves caught hit-and-runners, DUI, saved by reclined seats, etc.:

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisket
    There is a little complication: lower back issue either due to the rear-end accident that we suffered, or due to compensation for the soreness because of it. :/

    Should be fine by the 6th.

    Somewhat interesting accident that involves caught hit-and-runners, DUI, saved by reclined seats, etc.:

    http://forums.audiworld.com/a3/msgs/109192.phtml

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    Holy smoke! Hope you and your wife recover fast.
    Sounds like an incredible story of madness. German engineering... if you were on an italian car you'd be dead
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen_Turtle
    if you were on an italian car you'd be dead
    Don't be so sure! My carcass has been conditioned in Turkish cars...

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    Well I rode up Kennedy last night, was trying to come up with the hottest bug infested uphill slog I could think of and was cruelly reminded why I rarely ride this thing any more.

    Anyway there was some guy hammering up the hill with his kid in a weeride, I'd hate to see him without it, looks like some serious training going on....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC
    Well I rode up Kennedy last night, was trying to come up with the hottest bug infested uphill slog I could think of and was cruelly reminded why I rarely ride this thing any more.

    Anyway there was some guy hammering up the hill with his kid in a weeride, I'd hate to see him without it, looks like some serious training going on....
    That guy is coming to the Kings race we believe. He's pro/expert singlespeed at Sea Otter and was keeping up with Travis Brown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisket
    There is a little complication: lower back issue either due to the rear-end accident that we suffered, or due to compensation for the soreness because of it. :/

    Should be fine by the 6th.

    Somewhat interesting accident that involves caught hit-and-runners, DUI, saved by reclined seats, etc.:

    http://forums.audiworld.com/a3/msgs/109192.phtml

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    Wow that is scary Alibaba. Total that car. Get a new Audi diesel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    That guy is coming to the Kings race we believe. He's pro/expert singlespeed at Sea Otter and was keeping up with Travis Brown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    The official date is Saturday, Sept. 6

    The start times will be:
    9 am - 1 hour climbers
    9:15 - 35+ minute climbers
    9:30 - sub 35 minute climbers

    Arrive 20 minutes before your start time and give us your name and start time. We will give you a colored sticker with a number. Stick the sticker on your stem. When reach the top, yell out your number and you're done.


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    I'll be there. My best time so far is just over 51 mins but I tend to avg about 54. So, should I start at 9:00 or 9:15? Or, do I just decide if I want to lead one group or chase the other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E
    I'll be there. My best time so far is just over 51 mins but I tend to avg about 54. So, should I start at 9:00 or 9:15? Or, do I just decide if I want to lead one group or chase the other?
    If the Kings start at 9:30, they'll battle and finish before 10am at the top. Do you want to see the finish? If so, drop 11 minutes off that last PR, and start at 9:15. Else, start at 9am and catch your breath for 5 mins and then watch the finish.

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    I'm out.

    Due to a potentially serious, but in all likelihood harmless health problem, I'm not allowed to push myself to race pace heartrate until the results of an ECG on the 11th. Pooey. I'm allowed to train all I want, so I'll probably show up early and take pictures somewhere on the hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    Due to a potentially serious, but in all likelihood harmless health problem, I'm not allowed to push myself to race pace heartrate until the results of an ECG on the 11th. Pooey. I'm allowed to train all I want, so I'll probably show up early and take pictures somewhere on the hill.

    another Pooey, because not racing sucks.
    That is no good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    Due to a potentially serious, but in all likelihood harmless health problem, I'm not allowed to push myself to race pace heartrate until the results of an ECG on the 11th. Pooey. I'm allowed to train all I want, so I'll probably show up early and take pictures somewhere on the hill.

    another Pooey, because not racing sucks.
    Hope everything turns out well.

    I went through the same thing a couple years ago when I was in the middle of (measly sport class) race shape. The primary care assistant couldn't get a proper reading, and my HBP + low resting HR sent off alarms, and me to a specialist. Had to hold off until I could get proper testing with the specialist done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrah
    Hope everything turns out well.

    I went through the same thing a couple years ago when I was in the middle of (measly sport class) race shape. The primary care assistant couldn't get a proper reading, and my HBP + low resting HR sent off alarms, and me to a specialist. Had to hold off until I could get proper testing with the specialist done.
    yup, I was at the hospital with a HR of 38-43. About my resting rate, but certainly not where it should be when I'm sitting up and talking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    yup, I was at the hospital with a HR of 38-43. About my resting rate, but certainly not where it should be when I'm sitting up and talking.
    i wouldn't stress too much about it....that's where mine was when i was younger......freaked a bunch of dr.'s out......many tests later they figured out it was normal for me......

    heck, they still double and triple check me when i visit the ER....and that's in the mid to high 40's now.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    Due to a potentially serious, but in all likelihood harmless health problem, I'm not allowed to push myself to race pace heartrate until the results of an ECG on the 11th. Pooey. I'm allowed to train all I want, so I'll probably show up early and take pictures somewhere on the hill.

    another Pooey, because not racing sucks.
    I'm free on Sept. 13th... Let's push it out one week.
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    Kennedy Forever

    Menso, No offense to anyone on this board but it can be confusing when medical opinions come up. Kennedy will always be there and we all have stop watches. This sounds like a fun ride and a good chance to chase some riders with equal or slightly better ability up the hill and maybe get a PR. I wish I could make it but I think I will save my vacation for Pinecrest Peak or Tahoe.
    I hope you are alright and I'm sure you will hit PR's trying to stay ahead of JMS down in SLO this winter.
    As for Kennedy you are still the king until someone beats your time last year anyway right?

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    What do you guys think is harder to climb? Montevina El Sereno hill or Kennedy? I'm going to ride Montevina tomorrow or Sunday. I need the practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    yup, I was at the hospital with a HR of 38-43. About my resting rate, but certainly not where it should be when I'm sitting up and talking.
    I just stumbled on your post. I am an RN on a cardiac unit at Stanford and frequently we have athletes that have heart rates in the 30's, especially at night. The fact that the MDs are concerned while knowing your athletic prowess is mildly concerning. Get your work up. Get your clean bill of health, then go kick some butt on the trails. Is it worth the bike or the race to harm yourself, or potentially worse? Once a king, always a king. Youth often feels invincible, don't fall into that trap. Good luck!
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    Sounds Like Fun!

    Hey, I just saw the thread, this sounds like fun, is there an entry fee? See Ya Saturday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed
    What do you guys think is harder to climb? Montevina El Sereno hill or Kennedy? I'm going to ride Montevina tomorrow or Sunday. I need the practice.
    I think Montevina is longer but easier. Only a couple of parts on Montevina feels like Kennedy to me. There should be elevation profiles... Here they are:

    Kennedy: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/1039597

    Montevina: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/1615986

    A find this metric a good comparison of the feel:

    - Go to Elevation on the left
    - Then click Distribution on the right
    - Finally select "Grade vs. Distance and Time" under the graph
    - Click on the graph to get a larger graph

    According to those, Montevina spends most time between 7-16% grade. Kennedy 5-25%. Kennedy looks more difficult as it feels more difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorCalSS
    Hey, I just saw the thread, this sounds like fun, is there an entry fee? See Ya Saturday!
    For the entry fee, you'll have to talk Major Payne.

    It's free of course. And we'll set up a bbq afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    For the entry fee, you'll have to talk Major Payne
    And after you climb up Kennedy, Major Payne might say something like,
    You're still a **** sandwich. You're just not a soggy one. From this moment, you are no longer turds. You have graduated to maggots!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pisket
    I think Montevina is longer but easier. Only a couple of parts on Montevina feels like Kennedy to me. There should be elevation profiles... Here they are:

    Kennedy: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/1039597

    Montevina: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/1615986

    A find this metric a good comparison of the feel:

    - Go to Elevation on the left
    - Then click Distribution on the right
    - Finally select "Grade vs. Distance and Time" under the graph
    - Click on the graph to get a larger graph

    According to those, Montevina spends most time between 7-16% grade. Kennedy 5-25%. Kennedy looks more difficult as it feels more difficult.

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    Ok cool, thanks for the info.

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    im a newbie big guy and im gonna give it a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphy
    im a newbie big guy and im gonna give it a go.
    That's the spirit!

    Please talk to my buddies who will not do it. I guess they are waiting to be as good as the kings first, which won't happen in a hundred years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    yup, I was at the hospital with a HR of 38-43. About my resting rate, but certainly not where it should be when I'm sitting up and talking.
    That's about where mine is. It's called bradycardia. I just had an EEG a few weeks ago and they didn't like what they saw.

    I've had the low heart rate all my life. It was even lower when I took Nadolol for migraine prevention. Could barely hit 140, even after pounding the Three Sisters. (Insert jokes here )

    Good luck and stay healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biking Brazilian
    ... Could barely hit 140, even after pounding the Three Sisters. (Insert jokes here )

    Good luck and stay healthy.
    Now that's good!

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    how technical is the climb? Is it fully ridable on a 'cross bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    how technical is the climb? Is it fully ridable on a 'cross bike?
    0% technical.....just fire road......ad CX rig is fine and dandy.....just not in the rain.....it'll eat your pads 100% completely away to metal-on-metal action on the way back down.....ugh......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    how technical is the climb? Is it fully ridable on a 'cross bike?
    It is just a fire road with a tiny bit of descending. There's a couple issues for a cross bike:

    One, there is a half mile section that is pretty rocky. At high pressure on a small tire, you'll be bouncing all over the place.

    Two, there is a stretch in the middle and a wall at the end that is very steep. It is hard to maintain traction there on a small tire.

    Finally, normal cross bike gearing is pretty heavy for this climb.

    Clark rode the cross bike last year and might have more to add. He did just under 28 minutes.

    So get the biggest cross tires you can get and some mighty low gearing and you're good. The descent however is going to blow!!

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    Like the others said, the DH on the CX really sucks. I rode 2 weeks ago on my CX with 39x32 gearing and it was fine, but not great. I walked the last wall, all girlie like.

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    What's the conventional wisdom for tire pressure on something like this? Lower for better traction or higher for less rolling resistance? If I was just out riding I'd probably go with something like 30psi, but having never been in a non-race before, I'm curious what other folks will be doing.
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    i run about 55 psi front and rear riding up kennedy. go harder for faster, you don't have to worry about traction very much if you're moving quickly.

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    Francis is right on regarding the cross bike. The advantages are weight and efficiency on moderate grades with decent traction. The last two steep climbs (short one, followed by longer one) are challenging due to traction and gearing. Go with the beefiest cross tire you have, and with the lowest/easiest gear you can run. Last year I did it with a compact crank (50/34) and a 13/26 rear cassette, and it was really hard to turn the pedals at the top. This year I swapped the 13/26 for a 13/29. I did a practice run with this gearing a week or so ago, and barely made the two climbs at the top due to dusty/dry conditions. It's hit or miss. Be ready to hop off and run, cross style!

    Of course, the descent is a bone-jarring, teeth-rattling experience, and you'll be happy to see the trailhead once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    It is just a fire road with a tiny bit of descending. There's a couple issues for a cross bike:

    One, there is a half mile section that is pretty rocky. At high pressure on a small tire, you'll be bouncing all over the place.

    Two, there is a stretch in the middle and a wall at the end that is very steep. It is hard to maintain traction there on a small tire.

    Finally, normal cross bike gearing is pretty heavy for this climb.

    Clark rode the cross bike last year and might have more to add. He did just under 28 minutes.

    So get the biggest cross tires you can get and some mighty low gearing and you're good. The descent however is going to blow!!

    fc

    well, its a 29er, so of course I could run some big tires if need be. This rocky part, is that on the descent? Maybe a better question is if you could run anything from a cross tire on up, what would be ideal? Is it just regular hard pack besides these short loose and rocky parts?

    This should be fun. The last hill climb "event" I did must have been about 18 years ago. Too bad I'm not quite as light as I was then.

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    Ok, my bike is ready. I took it on a test run at Skeggs last night and I think it's good to go. Chain stays on and the 9-speed is ok to pedal.

    The rear tire can stay since it grips good at 25 psi.

    Weight is zero lbs. It's on my facebook gallery if you really ought to know.

    I need some bar ends. I got the super-chunky Cane Creek ones but lighter ones would be nice.

    I'm going to shave my head, ride barefoot with a speedo to save weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    how technical is the climb? Is it fully ridable on a 'cross bike?

    Did you not believe me?

    You're a frickin' head case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Did you not believe me?

    You're a frickin' head case.

    Hey, I asked you about a road bike. Besides, your skinny tire credibility is highly questionable.

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    I see Francois is racing in the plastic, sub-8 kilo category. I'll be in the no-carbon-allowed, sub-10 kilo category.

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    Where is that picture from?

    Looks cool even for a road bike pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbikermom
    Looks cool even for a road bike pic.
    Vuelta de Espana a couple years ago. They always make the roadies go up some steep dirt road.

    The Vuelta is going on right now btw. Levi won today!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Hey, I asked you about a road bike. Besides, your skinny tire credibility is highly questionable.
    True, it is rather suspect.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    I see Francois is racing in the plastic, sub-8 kilo category. I'll be in the no-carbon-allowed, sub-10 kilo category.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E
    What's the conventional wisdom for tire pressure on something like this? Lower for better traction or higher for less rolling resistance? If I was just out riding I'd probably go with something like 30psi, but having never been in a non-race before, I'm curious what other folks will be doing.
    30 psi is good.

    For rolling resistance, very high pressures only work if the surface is very smooth. If the surface has is rough and has a lot of embedded rocks, a hard tire will get bounced back causing increased rolling resistance. A tire needs to supple and compliant and conform to the rocks to have good rolling resistance on rough surfaces.

    I used to ride with 60 psi to go fast. Now I ride.... 22 psi most of the time (tubeless). More control and more traction too.

    As far as traction is concerned, yes that's an issue on this climb too. Less is more.

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