• 09-08-2008
    Stalk
    FC, that would be great experiment. What meakes biggest difference besides the weight is the damping system of the suspension.

    While VPP is quite efficient with 6.5" of travel its still noo match to HT or firm XC oriented bike. Moreover, standing up position stiffen up VPP under good power but the fork bobs like crazy.
    For next season I'm looking to lighten up Nomad (28ish pounds range) and there is not much options for locking up suspension. The closest I can get with on the fork is DT EXC150 with Launch control. There is nothing on the rear either, Monarch 4.2 with flood-gate lever seems the closest option. I wish DT would extend their shock offerings to 8.5/2.5 range. Fox dropped RP23 for this size and DT have a gap, either 8/2 or 8.8/2.5 and nothing in between, so RS only single-can option for aftermarket.

    Anyway would be interesting to see if it's worth all this trouble :)
  • 09-08-2008
    Biking Brazilian
    Can you please rename this thread to King of Kennedy?

    Name a monarchy in which there is/was more than one king?!
  • 09-08-2008
    Fillet-brazed
    analyticcycling.com

    click on "static forces on the rider" on the right and then "less weight". On Kennedy I got about a 2 minute difference with a 10 pound reduction...
  • 09-08-2008
    snowjnky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    analyticcycling.com

    click on "static forces on the rider" on the right and then "less weight". On Kennedy I got about a 2 minute difference with a 10 pound reduction...

    Damn:madman: I still would have been over 40 min on my 22lb XC bike (14 lb difference)
  • 09-08-2008
    snowjnky
    KOK bike 2009
  • 09-08-2008
    Zen_Turtle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    analyticcycling.com

    click on "static forces on the rider" on the right and then "less weight". On Kennedy I got about a 2 minute difference with a 10 pound reduction...

    That's about right: 10lb is the difference between my blur and nomad and 2-3mins is the time difference for me.
    I guess rolling resistance doesn't play a big role (2.0 vs 2.3 tires)
  • 09-08-2008
    lilysdad
    That was a great time Saturday. It was good to see old friends and meet a few new ones. Thanks to Francis & Co. for making it all happen. See you at OLH this weekend.
  • 09-08-2008
    BigLarry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by timehoc
    Based on the formula the numbers are a little quicker. The formula doesn't count mileage so as opposed to the one on the interwebs. Maybe the 10% compensator is road specific? So basically my head hurts now.

    Paging BigLarry to the white courtesy phone.

    The potential energy gained in joules when climbing a hill is m*g*h or Mass (kg) * g (9.8 m/s/s) * Height gain (meters).

    The average power is this energy in Joules divided by the time in seconds.

    This average power is a lowest estimate, as extra energy will be expended on some wind resistance, power train inefficiency, tire inefficiency, bike frame and shock inefficiency, and so on.

    For example, I calculate that Lance Armstrong on the Alpes de Huez time trial expended just under a MegaJoule (70 Kg * 9.8 * 1200 meters) in 40 minutes, or over 400 Watts. However, he was actually hitting a lot of wind resistance going up the hill at 15 MPH, and with other friction. Michael Charmichael said Lance's power output was more like 500-600 Watts! (Note a Horsepower is 760 Watts.) That power to weight ratio is what makes him the star.
  • 09-08-2008
    Stalk
    Not quite. The forces this website is accounting for (let's ignore wind resistance) is the difference in potential energy gained by pushing higher weight to the same elevation. They accounting 10% for other overhead including RR and it may be right for road bike.
    In MTB suspension inefficiency and bike goemetry contributes to substantially higher difference between XC and AM rig.

    At the same fitness level at the season start I pushed Nomad (30.5lb) and Ibis (25lb) up to Kennedy with 3 min difference which can't be gained just by 5lb. Climbing Nevegals vs. SB8 would be also day and night which can't be accounted by the weight difference.
  • 09-08-2008
    Rumpfy
    Nerds. :p
  • 09-08-2008
    Stalk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Nerds. :p

    Hey, Nerds would account for wind resistance multiplied by the length of the leg hair and shorts slack factored in as well :p
  • 09-08-2008
    Zen_Turtle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Stalk
    In MTB suspension inefficiency and bike goemetry contributes to substantially higher difference between XC and AM rig.

    :confused: don't know what you're talking about, I'm riding a Nomad and a Blur XC... there is NO suspension inefficiency....

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Stalk
    Climbing Nevegals vs. SB8 would be also day and night which can't be accounted by the weight difference.

    That explains it all. I think Nevegals are the slowest rolling tires ever, you can use same bike and switch tires to prove it (that means you have to climb it two more times.... ;) )
  • 09-09-2008
    fc
    Ok, we're doing the Old La Honda Hillclimb this Saturday.

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...d.php?t=142319


    Who is in???

    Who's gonna bring it on the mountain bike and show the roahdies?

    fc
  • 09-09-2008
    pisiket
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by francois
    Ok, we're doing the Old La Honda Hillclimb this Saturday.

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...d.php?t=142319


    Who is in???

    Who's gonna bring it on the mountain bike and show the roahdies?

    fc

    1) I promised weeks ago that I would bring my mountain bike to show them. Same bike, same SS gearing, same tire pressure, same unlocked fork. I will wear something else though... :)

    2) I can't promise that I will give all I got at the ride; but that's ok with me. :)

    3) I've tested the mtbr beer bottle the day I got it and it worked just fine. (It was my wife who understood what "MTBR" meant on that glass. I always assumed that it merely looked like FLBR and HFBR. :)

    4) BigLarry took pictures at the Kings but he hasn't posted them yet. :p

    Ali
  • 09-09-2008
    MichiganMat
    I'll be up for a roadie-ride, but Im going to have to rock my CX bike, no MTB for me. Where is the OLH ride going to start exactly?
  • 09-09-2008
    Mike E
    As others have said, and is worth repeating, a big thanks to those who organized the Kings ride. The heat sucked but the ride was a lot of fun anyway. Looking forward to next year.
  • 09-09-2008
    snowjnky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by francois
    Ok, we're doing the Old La Honda Hillclimb this Saturday.

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...d.php?t=142319


    Who is in???

    Who's gonna bring it on the mountain bike and show the roahdies?

    fc

    I would but http://www.sierratrails.org/events/fall_mountain_epic
  • 09-10-2008
    fc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MichiganMat
    I'll be up for a roadie-ride, but Im going to have to rock my CX bike, no MTB for me. Where is the OLH ride going to start exactly?

    Since most roadies ride from home, the meeting place is the corner of Old La Honda and Portola road at 8:45.
    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...WDUgpplDzcJLMg

    We will be taking off at 9am sharp.

    Most folks are 20-30 minute climbers. If you need more time than that, you can take off at 8:30 or at 8:45 and time yourself.

    If you do not know Old La Honda aka OLH, then you have to check it out. It is them finest road climb ever!

    fc
  • 09-10-2008
    eraSSerhead
    Good googly moogly that must be one brutal climb...even fit looking looking people pushing:? Good job everyone. Thanks to all for the great pics:)
  • 09-11-2008
    fc
    1 Attachment(s)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Stalk
    Well let's put it in that way. We beat FC on the Nomad from last year :thumbsup: I think it was 45.30ish

    Step aside biatches. The remedy for your nomadic lifestyle is here. Your record is not safe now;)

    This bike has the potential to go over 15 mph on Priest Rock trail.

    fc
  • 09-11-2008
    Zen_Turtle
    FC, you're a bike wh0re...
    Can I get the white Nomad since you're not going to need it anymore' right? ;)
    ZT
  • 09-11-2008
    J
    I will be at the OLH time trial.
  • 09-11-2008
    mtbikermom
    Not to take away from Francis's new bike but
    Did they plow Kennedy since last Saturday?

    Besides the bugs being enough to drive a sane person insane...it seemed more loose tonight, especially at the top.

    Kat
  • 09-12-2008
    pisiket
    I bail. :( No OLH ride for me.

    My back is still healing so I will continue having easy rides. De Laveaga Park in Santa Cruz this Saturday. :-/

    Ali
  • 09-12-2008
    fc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pisket
    I bail. :( No OLH ride for me.

    My back is still healing so I will continue having easy rides. De Laveaga Park in Santa Cruz this Saturday. :-/

    Ali

    That's too bad young man. Thanks for considering it!


    fc
  • 09-12-2008
    fc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Zen_Turtle
    FC, you're a bike wh0re...
    Can I get the white Nomad since you're not going to need it anymore' right? ;)
    ZT

    The Nomad is gone. It has a nice new owner from Santa Cruz.

    J, I will see you at the mountain individual time trial.

    fc
  • 09-12-2008
    BigLarry
    2 Attachment(s)
    Ali & Han
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pisket
    4) BigLarry took pictures at the Kings but he hasn't posted them yet. :p

    Ali

    Fixed

    1. Ali and Han
    2. Jeff, Ali, Han, Aron?
  • 09-12-2008
    BigLarry
    3 Attachment(s)
    Oh the Pain!
    1. The Start of the Climb. I always get a major reality shock on that first hill.
    2. Oh, the Pain! Captures what everyone feels.
    3. A Trio making their way up.
  • 09-12-2008
    BigLarry
    2 Attachment(s)
    The View Behind
    If one pauses for a moment to look behind, you see a great view of what you're climbing above.
  • 09-12-2008
    BigLarry
    4 Attachment(s)
    Individual Effort
    1. Bailout
    2. Stalk
    3. Rensho (my first picture of him passing me missed)
    4. Rensho (I caught a frontal picture by simply going back in time about a year)
  • 09-12-2008
    BigLarry
    1 Attachment(s)
    So What's This?
    Just what is Francois pointing out at the top of the hill?
  • 09-12-2008
    BigLarry
    3 Attachment(s)
    Patrick Arrival
    I may have been the slowest, but not the last. Patrick (son of mtbikermom) started late and was perhaps one of the last up. So I got to actually photograph someone else finishing!

    1. Arrival at the top of the mountain.
    2. Pointing to the score keeper?
    3. Do all the finishers get a hug?
  • 09-13-2008
    BigLarry
    2 Attachment(s)
    Picnic in the Park
    1. Darryl (wddung) and JustJeff, our score keeper.
    2. Bikers lined up in a row.
  • 09-13-2008
    fc
    The OLH time trial is done. The upstart Krishna is the king. Wow!:eekster:

    More to come...

    road OLH results:
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...d.php?t=146286

    fc
  • 09-13-2008
    mtbikermom
    Thanks for the pics Larry!
    Much appreciated. Had to miss the OLH time trial to join a few women friends and Socrates & Dwight in the UC. Very fun! I have much more clearance to my bottom bracket now.
    :D
  • 09-30-2008
    Fillet-brazed
    thought some here might find this interesting. An old article on '89 World Champion Don Myrah and his cutting edge bike (thanks to Jeff at First Flight Bikes):
    <img src="http://mombat.org/90P231.jpg">

    <img src="http://mombat.org/90P232.jpg">

    <img src="http://mombat.org/90P233.jpg">

    <img src="http://mombat.org/90P234.jpg">

    <img src="http://mombat.org/90P235.jpg">

    <img src="http://mombat.org/90P236.jpg">
  • 10-27-2008
    fc
    Congrats to the Kings. They placed 1-2-3 on a hillclimb last weekend up Bear Creek road.

    http://lowkeyhillclimbs.com/2008/week4/results.html

    1.Clark 2.Craig 3.Krishna

    fc
  • 01-15-2009
    fc
    3 Attachment(s)
    I had to dig up this old thread to see if set a PR on my noon ride. 36:19... not quite but it was motivation and pain free. Light bikes fly on the ups but are ghey on the DH!

    Trail is perfect and climbing traction is ideal!!! I rode pretty big tires at 20 psi and they rolled well. Front ring is a 36 and it worked well since I finally have 175 mm cranks on this one instead of those 170s.

    fc
  • 01-15-2009
    mark59
    Man you recuperate fast!
    I am just feeling better today after the ride on Sunday.
    Hey I just got the new 661 carbon Full face helmet (black) so sweet.
    Thanks for the tip.
    Great Job on Kennedy
    You the Man Fran!!!
  • 01-15-2009
    eraSSerhead
    Nice ride. When are you guys doing the TT again?
  • 01-16-2009
    fc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eraSSerhead
    Nice ride. When are you guys doing the TT again?

    Tough one. I would do it in a heartbeat but the rangers are not kosher with it (and they read this board) and there's miniscule chance of getting a permit from Midpen.

    So the venue might need to change or it has to be on the super low-key.

    fc
  • 01-16-2009
    fc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mark59
    Man you recuperate fast!
    I am just feeling better today after the ride on Sunday.
    Hey I just got the new 661 carbon Full face helmet (black) so sweet.
    Thanks for the tip.
    Great Job on Kennedy
    You the Man Fran!!!

    Mark, I feel pretty good pedaling but my upper body is sore from the beat down. I got one of those big rubber balls and have been doing some ab and back workouts with the kids.

    I eat and sleep a lot this week. Tired and hungry from Demo.

    fc
  • 01-16-2009
    eraSSerhead
    Man, what is with those guys down there. They're like the trail nazi's or something. I feel for you.
  • 01-16-2009
    w00t!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by francois
    Tough one. I would do it in a heartbeat but the rangers are not kosher with it (and they read this board) and there's miniscule chance of getting a permit from Midpen.

    So the venue might need to change or it has to be on the super low-key.

    fc

    All you gotta do is make a super-secret subforum and just let the real 1337 mtbers (i.e., no 5-0) have access to it and discuss things like that. Then, when y'all show up for the TT, it's just random chance. :D
  • 02-17-2009
    shadyjoe
    I know this is a dead thread, but does anyone know how to get a hold of cesar chavez? I raced with him in 1992 for Pinnacle bike works, then Brittons. Cool to see Kennedy is going strong still. I havent been out there in 15 years. Did it in 32 and a half in1992 (from the log at keddedy road to the drop down dogmeat) on a Bontrager race lite. Like I said, I know this is a dead thread, but I'm excited to see it none the less.

    New Member, Joe
  • 02-17-2009
    shadyjoe
    Flash from the Past
    I know this is a dead thread, but does anyone know how to get a hold of cesar chavez? I raced with him in 1992 for Pinnacle bike works, then Brittons. Cool to see Kennedy is going strong still. I havent been out there in 15 years. Did it in 32 and a half in1992 (from the log at keddedy road to the drop down dogmeat) on a Bontrager race lite. Like I said, I know this is a dead thread, but I'm excited to see it none the less.

    New Member, Joe
  • 08-17-2010
    mtbikermom
    OMG...not only do you have a time but a pic? I didn't think it was possible to be in worse shape than this but 2 years and many worries! Patrick and I started this thing...recording our weight with him to gain and me to loose. When I got on the scale it said "error". Dam, I'm in trouble!
    :)
  • 04-27-2011
    Brazilian Climber
    Time Trial Kennedy Trail 2011
    Hey guys,


    Lets do a time trial a Kennedy Trail in 2011!?


    How that sounds??

    What do you think Francois?


    BC