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    Just did a Kennedy trial run: 56m45s.

    Wow, I've a long way to go...the only thing going for me is that it was my first ride up on the new rig I got Thursday: an Enduro Expert SL with an e150 fork. Not the most able climber, but it paid off in spades down Dogmeat.

    Hey, it was under an hour! Let's just hope it's not as HOT on Sept. 6 as it was today.

    BTW: Saw a cutie pie walking her bike up near the Shade Tree. I asked her if she was okay, she said she was, although she had on long BLACK tights and one water bottle that was nearly empty. She asked me how much longer and I told her the truth: "You're not even halfway yet. You've a long way to go!"

    I then made a bonehead move by asking her if she was alone. Of course she replied, "No," my only reason being if she had anyone that would pick her up when she passed out from the heat.

    I didn't see a soul the rest of the way up.

    I hope she's ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biking Brazilian
    Just did a Kennedy trial run: 56m45s.

    Wow, I've a long way to go...the only thing going for me is that it was my first ride up on the new rig I got Thursday: an Enduro Expert SL with an e150 fork. Not the most able climber, but it paid off in spades down Dogmeat.

    Hey, it was under an hour! Let's just hope it's not as HOT on Sept. 6 as it was today.

    BTW: Saw a cutie pie walking her bike up near the Shade Tree. I asked her if she was okay, she said she was, although she had on long BLACK tights and one water bottle that was nearly empty. She asked me how much longer and I told her the truth: "You're not even halfway yet. You've a long way to go!"

    I then made a bonehead move by asking her if she was alone. Of course she replied, "No," my only reason being if she had anyone that would pick her up when she passed out from the heat.
    My very first time there this past week and I did 56:36, so you're not the only one who's dreams of a sub-40 climb got dashed. I went up on a 32# Heckler with marz AMSL1 fork and 2.3" timberwolf tires, so I know how it is. My old Rockhopper hardtail has been my commute bike the past 3 years, but I may put it back on the dirt on the 6th.

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    I also tried it today on my SS. Big mistake. Way hot, 32-18 gearing and getting over a week long cold. Made it to the big tree, decided I had enough (really disappointed, can't remember the last time I bailed on a ride I decide to try)

    All that said, unless I go to 32-20 or maybe even smaller gearing there is no way I have the strength to push those SS cranks for an hour or so up Kennedy. I take my hat off to those who do/can, really tough task.

    Will do something more sane next week and bring my Blur. I am not fast but I know the Blur can get me to the top without issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gstahl
    I also tried it today on my SS.
    I don't have an issue getting up on my SS. But that includes stopping at the clearing to the left of the first wall and a break at the shady tree.

    When my 19T comes in next week, I will give it a shot (33x19). But, like I said, lots of breaks will be taken.

    My new 31# Enduro is still a grunt, though, considering I had been cranking the more XC-friendly 26# Heckler for over three years up and down Kennedy like a (self-acclaimed) mountain goat.

    Hmmm, I am eyeing the 2009 Epic...

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    better yet...
    I did a demo from Summitt cycles last year. Did Kennedy once with a truth pretty hard, but not race pace... then did it again with an Epiphany... at a bit slower pace. Guys at the shop said no one had ever done a demo dual kennedy loop. I remember what I ended up calling the 3 *****es at the top. Those sick steep last three pitch climbs at the top. But it was a fun downhill. I think my times were about 1 hour 10 min or so.
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    on second check the times were about an hour... actually the second loop was faster than the first. I ended up getting the epiphany. So Mensho is the stud. cool. Only 19 years old, no wonder. Good job dude. Hope you kick butt this year!! But for heavens sake what is up with that photo? I have always kinda wondered about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ventana1
    on second check the times were about an hour... actually the second loop was faster than the first. I ended up getting the epiphany. So Mensho is the stud. cool. Only 19 years old, no wonder. Good job dude. Hope you kick butt this year!! But for heavens sake what is up with that photo? I have always kinda wondered about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biking Brazilian
    She asked me how much longer and I told her the truth: "You're not even halfway yet. You've a long way to go!"
    I think the shaded tree is more than half way. I always feel good there that most is gone...

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    hahaha, that made me laugh... good one... haha. I love it. look forward to maybe meeting you some day. Happy trails.... go get em at Kennedys!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ventana1
    better yet...
    I did a demo from Summitt cycles last year. Did Kennedy once with a truth pretty hard, but not race pace... then did it again with an Epiphany... at a bit slower pace. Guys at the shop said no one had ever done a demo dual kennedy loop. I remember what I ended up calling the 3 *****es at the top. Those sick steep last three pitch climbs at the top. But it was a fun downhill. I think my times were about 1 hour 10 min or so.
    here is the data in case anyone cares.
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    max speed 81.2 mph!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacman
    max speed 81.2 mph!
    Especially when used with an exclamation mark, "mph!" stands for "hemp units." The apparent confused order of the letters is intentional.

    To get the "mph" (miles per hour) equivalent, if possible, simply divide by 10: 8.12 mph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisket
    Especially when used with an exclamation mark, "mph!" stands for "hemp units." The apparent confused order of the letters is intentional.

    To get the "mph" (miles per hour) equivalent, if possible, simply divide by 10: 8.12 mph.

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    Yeah, i hate when I forget to turn off my GPS and drive off in the car with it on too. I record all that useless driving info, showing how I average 50mph for the next 35miles...

    Quote Originally Posted by pacman
    Total Time (h:m:s)6:02:186:13 pace
    Moving Time (h:m:s)4:42:454:51 pace
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    Moving Speed (mph)12.3 avg.81.2 max.
    Elevation Gain (ft)+11,642 / -11,928
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    So whats the official date on this shindig?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    So whats the official date on this shindig?
    The official date is Saturday, Sept. 6

    The start times will be:
    9 am - 1 hour climbers
    9:15 - 35+ minute climbers
    9:30 - sub 35 minute climbers

    Arrive 20 minutes before your start time and give us your name and start time. We will give you a colored sticker with a number. Stick the sticker on your stem. When reach the top, yell out your number and you're done.


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    Vo2

    If we can catch our breath enough to yell at the tree then we probably won't be getting a PR. On my best climbs up that hill I don't think I have been able to look up at the tree let alone yell out a number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portola Vince
    If we can catch our breath enough to yell at the tree then we probably won't be getting a PR. On my best climbs up that hill I don't think I have been able to look up at the tree let alone yell out a number.
    you got to save a little bit bro so you can talk. Or you can point to the sticker and we'll read it for you.

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    Ill go. I may need to start at 8:00am for 2 hour climbers

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed
    Ill go. I may need to start at 8:00am for 2 hour climbers
    I'll start with you. Is there a snack booth somewhere at the middle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justme
    I'll start with you. Is there a snack booth somewhere at the middle?
    Maybe someone could put a keg up halfway for us. A quick energy boost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justme
    I'll start with you. Is there a snack booth somewhere at the middle?
    Hey, me too! Let's do the 8AM Jokers of Kennedy & Shade Tree Party Ride.
    It's not slow, it's doing more MTB time.

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    Make it an All Mtn Coronation!

    An easy way to weed out the skinny little roadies w/ their carbon wheels and cross bikes:

    Have stage #2 start at the top of Dogmeat and roll down through Limekiln and end @ Alma Bridge road. Most people are going to be heading that way anyway, right?

    Full bore pirate DH after the hillclimb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARider
    An easy way to weed out the skinny little roadies w/ their carbon wheels and cross bikes:

    Have stage #2 start at the top of Dogmeat and roll down through Limekiln and end @ Alma Bridge road. Most people are going to be heading that way anyway, right?

    Full bore pirate DH after the hillclimb.
    Now you can call it "Kennedy Classic".

    Would the time spent getting a speeding ticket written by the rangers count as a total time or would it be used as an added bonus??
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARider
    An easy way to weed out the skinny little roadies w/ their carbon wheels and cross bikes:

    Have stage #2 start at the top of Dogmeat and roll down through Limekiln and end @ Alma Bridge road. Most people are going to be heading that way anyway, right?

    Full bore pirate DH after the hillclimb.
    Oh the carnage.

    The following week is a road uphill time trial up Old La Honda Road in Woodside. Special prize for using the same bike as in Kennedy.

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    here is how it works...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zen_Turtle
    Now you can call it "Kennedy Classic".

    Would the time spent getting a speeding ticket written by the rangers count as a total time or would it be used as an added bonus??
    You get an instant 5 minute deduction for being ticketed, and for each mph over 30mph that you are cited for you get one minute deducted from your time.

    Since MTBR is "sponsoring" the event just tell them your name is Francois. He won't mind.

    If you are able to drop the ranger and remain ticket free that is good for an additional 10 minutes off your time.

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    sounds like cannonball run

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    Man, I'm so there...

    This is great. I will be there. Probaly just ride from the Almaden side to warm up. Of couse this is pending the normal 'as long as I don't get overruled' crap.
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    Hey Mik E

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E
    So, when you say "get up" do you mean to interection with Priest Rock/Dogmeat, or where it ends at Woods/Limekiln? Either way, it sounds like a good diversion from my weekly "how fast to the top of Minehill?" ride
    So, Mike, we gotta ride Almaden here soon. Got bored with the loop so I've been doing similar to you- riding from the staging grounds to Bull Run, the blast all the way down to the turn off and pull a u-turn and climb back up, then back down to the staging grounds and all over again. I'm hitting the Velodrome this Saturday and that should waste me for climbing Sunday, but maybe next weekend lets hook up and ride.
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    My neighbor Jeff got word to Clark Foy. Baring any calendar issues with Sept. 6th, looks like they'll be there. Game on? Clark mentioned someone else on the team going for the Gold as well. Coming from Clark, uh, that's kinda big statement.

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    Hey, just so that I don't act like the French swimming relay team (saying that they were going to "smash the Americans"), and inspire Menso into doing a Phelpsian effort up Kennedy, allow me to clarify. My email response to Thomas was intended to publicly commit my buddy into joining in on the fun -- so I suggested that he was going for the Gold. (Right, Ramon?! You are going to do it, correct?!)

    At any rate, I hope to be there. Looking forward to all of us breaking our PRs.

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    I'll be lucky if I break my time from last year. I've been a week on/week off for six weeks thanks to some nasty persistent tendinitis. But now I've got new shoes and a new cleat position (thanks Jason!), so hopefully it will be clear sailing for the next two weeks of training and beyond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    I'll be lucky if I break my time from last year. I've been a week on/week off for six weeks thanks to some nasty persistent tendinitis. But now I've got new shoes and a new cleat position (thanks Jason!), so hopefully it will be clear sailing for the next two weeks of training and beyond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rj2
    Already asking for strokes.
    heck no!
    the throwdown: I'm going for the sub-27 this year.
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    I haven't been on Kennedy in months. My test run this weekend was 5 mins slower than last year. No bueno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rj2
    Already asking for strokes.
    Ok, I'll give you three strokes .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    I haven't been on Kennedy in months. My test run this weekend was 5 mins slower than last year. No bueno.
    I'm doing my test run this evening. 6pm. I have a pain meter and everything.

    I was going to do a fun waterdog ride but I have the wrong shoes for my pedals. Kennedy is my penance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    heck no!
    the throwdown: I'm going for the sub-27 this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    I'm doing my test run this evening. 6pm. I have a pain meter and everything.
    I rode up to the trees this morning and spoke with a couple of rangers on the return. One of them, didn't get his name, wants some feedback on your PowerTap. He rides, knows you by name, and is younger than us.

    My test run is Saturday AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rj2
    I rode up to the trees this morning and spoke with a couple of rangers on the return. One of them, didn't get his name, wants some feedback on your PowerTap. He rides, knows you by name, and is younger than us.

    My test run is Saturday AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen_Turtle
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    Ok, I did my test run today and I'm pretty happy with it. I got a new PR of 36:45 minutes.

    I warmed up by going up the hill about a mile and half. I went hard in the beginning and got some rest on the first downhill. I used a Powertap and a heart rate monitor. The powertap said I was going about 250 watts and the HRM reminded to keep it over 170 bpm. I felt good the whole way through and I had a good kick at the end. I was able to clear the wall with the 9-speed bebe!

    The bike is the Look hardtail set up with a rigid fork and 9 speed. It weighs 20 lbs. I weigh about 146 lbs right now.

    Stats:
    Distance: 4.07 miles
    Time: 36:45
    Ave Power: 233 watts
    Ave Speed: 6.63 mph
    Ave heart rate: 168 (max is 190)

    The bike can actually lose 3 lbs on race day since I won't use the powertap wheels and big tires. Maybe I'll lose a couple lbs. too.

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    Congratulations

    Francis. Very impressive. Hopefully you will have the same legs on the sixth.

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    Max

    You never came close your max HR. On my time trials this year I have hit my max on all them. I didn't max long but at the top for a final kick I hit 192 on Montevina near the gate and 192 on at the top of Alpine before it starts downhill in the S turns. I crushed my PR on both of those climbs. Do you think you will hit 190 on the sixth?
    Thanks for all that info by the way. I have a similar heart range as you so this is good info since I do wear an HR monitor often. Sounds like keeping the HR at about 175 gave you the best results for climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portola Vince
    You never came close your max HR. On my time trials this year I have hit my max on all them. I didn't max long but at the top for a final kick I hit 192 on Montevina near the gate and 192 on at the top of Alpine before it starts downhill in the S turns. I crushed my PR on both of those climbs. Do you think you will hit 190 on the sixth?
    Thanks for all that info by the way. I have a similar heart range as you so this is good info since I do wear an HR monitor often. Sounds like keeping the HR at about 175 gave you the best results for climbing.
    Thanks man. My old record is 36:59 about 10 years ago. It's good to break new ground as I get old.

    I could get my heart rate to 197 back then. These days, I don't reall know what my max is. I just haven't used a HRM in a long time.

    It's good to have data and share data. Who's got an altitude graph of that thing?

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    I have an 18 year old bike that weighs 26lbs. :|
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Ok, I did my test run today and I'm pretty happy with it. I got a new PR of 36:45 minutes.

    I warmed up by going up the hill about a mile and half. I went hard in the beginning and got some rest on the first downhill. I used a Powertap and a heart rate monitor. The powertap said I was going about 250 watts and the HRM reminded to keep it over 170 bpm. I felt good the whole way through and I had a good kick at the end. I was able to clear the wall with the 9-speed bebe!

    The bike is the Look hardtail set up with a rigid fork and 9 speed. It weighs 20 lbs. I weigh about 146 lbs right now.

    Stats:
    Distance: 4.07 miles
    Time: 36:45
    Ave Power: 233 watts
    Ave Speed: 6.63 mph
    Ave heart rate: 168 (max is 190)

    The bike can actually lose 3 lbs on race day since I won't use the powertap wheels and big tires. Maybe I'll lose a couple lbs. too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    I have an 18 year old bike that weighs 26lbs. :|
    That's what I'm riding too; thumbies baby! I think mine might be around 24 or 24.5. I've never timed myself going up there. I'd like to break an hour with no training, or even riding. I'm going with the off-the-bike-for-a-couple-weeks strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy
    I'm going with the off-the-bike-for-a-couple-weeks strategy.
    that was my sswc08 strategy and I wouldn't recommend it.
    will you rep me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    It's good to have data and share data. Who's got an altitude graph of that thing?
    That's a great time Francis. Would you please ride another bike on the 6th... I think the white bike added some slowness last year.

    The altitude graphs are at Motionbased; even this thread has some links. Here is one:

    http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/1039597

    I climbed Kennedy again last Wednesday with friends; just to strategize: I will try to stay fresh for the downhills and go fast there. Especially the "downhill" right about 1/4 mile after the tree is a long one. I will go fast there.

    The trouble is, I can't find any downhill there when I look at the altitude graphs. LOL! It is funny how one's reference changes. I swear I always thought that there was a long downhill section there.

    Another strategy: I will not walk all of the wall. It is ridable again right around the middle of it. I will finish with better dignity this year; instead of riding the last 15 feet of the wall, I will ride the last half of it.

    Seriously though, here is my strategy:

    - First downhill: go fast, limited by the SS gearing
    - First climb: attack, but don't die; there is more
    - Downhill: go fast, duh!
    - Warmup climb: do not go too fast, beware what comes next
    - 1-mile killer: this is the worst; survive!
    - The tree: go slow to rest for the next one
    - 1/4 mile climb: survive!
    - Downhill: go as fast as possible (note: this is NOT downhill)
    - Final climb to fake top: Respect! I was spent on this one last year
    - Mini wall: walk
    - Downhill: don't fall
    - The wall: walk first half, ride second half

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisket

    Seriously though, here is my strategy:

    - First downhill: go fast, limited by the SS gearing
    - First climb: attack, but don't die; there is more
    - Downhill: go fast, duh!
    - Warmup climb: do not go too fast, beware what comes next
    - 1-mile killer: this is the worst; survive!
    - The tree: go slow to rest for the next one
    - 1/4 mile climb: survive!
    - Downhill: go as fast as possible (note: this is NOT downhill)
    - Final climb to fake top: Respect! I was spent on this one last year
    - Mini wall: walk
    - Downhill: don't fall
    - The wall: walk first half, ride second half

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    Man, that's a near-perfect strategy for tackling Kennedy on an SS. I can probably hack out the walks by running a 33x22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moschika
    that was my sswc08 strategy and I wouldn't recommend it.
    No choice at this point. I might get a commuter day if I'm lucky, but 40 flat roadie miles won't prepare you for 4 miles of Kennedy. I'll be alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy
    That's what I'm riding too; thumbies baby! I think mine might be around 24 or 24.5. I've never timed myself going up there. I'd like to break an hour with no training, or even riding. I'm going with the off-the-bike-for-a-couple-weeks strategy.
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    You want it clean, or au natural? It is not a garage queen.

    Know where I can get some XT canti pads?

    Don't clean it on my account. They're better dirty.

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    Maybe time for a roll call

    Lot's of chatting around here.
    Seems like everybody's strategy this year is resting to the last minute and then give all on the 6th...

    I'm glad to hear people are riding WW2 bikes up the hill, but who's in?
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    I'm in. Sorry I didn't make it to today's HCW. The home improvement went on until late tonight. No ride at all todady .

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    I am in.

    There is a little complication: lower back issue either due to the rear-end accident that we suffered, or due to compensation for the soreness because of it. :/

    Should be fine by the 6th.

    Somewhat interesting accident that involves caught hit-and-runners, DUI, saved by reclined seats, etc.:

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisket
    There is a little complication: lower back issue either due to the rear-end accident that we suffered, or due to compensation for the soreness because of it. :/

    Should be fine by the 6th.

    Somewhat interesting accident that involves caught hit-and-runners, DUI, saved by reclined seats, etc.:

    http://forums.audiworld.com/a3/msgs/109192.phtml

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    Holy smoke! Hope you and your wife recover fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen_Turtle
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    Don't be so sure! My carcass has been conditioned in Turkish cars...

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    Well I rode up Kennedy last night, was trying to come up with the hottest bug infested uphill slog I could think of and was cruelly reminded why I rarely ride this thing any more.

    Anyway there was some guy hammering up the hill with his kid in a weeride, I'd hate to see him without it, looks like some serious training going on....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC
    Well I rode up Kennedy last night, was trying to come up with the hottest bug infested uphill slog I could think of and was cruelly reminded why I rarely ride this thing any more.

    Anyway there was some guy hammering up the hill with his kid in a weeride, I'd hate to see him without it, looks like some serious training going on....
    That guy is coming to the Kings race we believe. He's pro/expert singlespeed at Sea Otter and was keeping up with Travis Brown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisket
    There is a little complication: lower back issue either due to the rear-end accident that we suffered, or due to compensation for the soreness because of it. :/

    Should be fine by the 6th.

    Somewhat interesting accident that involves caught hit-and-runners, DUI, saved by reclined seats, etc.:

    http://forums.audiworld.com/a3/msgs/109192.phtml

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    Wow that is scary Alibaba. Total that car. Get a new Audi diesel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    That guy is coming to the Kings race we believe. He's pro/expert singlespeed at Sea Otter and was keeping up with Travis Brown.

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    He's going to start at 9.45....
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    The official date is Saturday, Sept. 6

    The start times will be:
    9 am - 1 hour climbers
    9:15 - 35+ minute climbers
    9:30 - sub 35 minute climbers

    Arrive 20 minutes before your start time and give us your name and start time. We will give you a colored sticker with a number. Stick the sticker on your stem. When reach the top, yell out your number and you're done.


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    I'll be there. My best time so far is just over 51 mins but I tend to avg about 54. So, should I start at 9:00 or 9:15? Or, do I just decide if I want to lead one group or chase the other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E
    I'll be there. My best time so far is just over 51 mins but I tend to avg about 54. So, should I start at 9:00 or 9:15? Or, do I just decide if I want to lead one group or chase the other?
    If the Kings start at 9:30, they'll battle and finish before 10am at the top. Do you want to see the finish? If so, drop 11 minutes off that last PR, and start at 9:15. Else, start at 9am and catch your breath for 5 mins and then watch the finish.

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    I'm out.

    Due to a potentially serious, but in all likelihood harmless health problem, I'm not allowed to push myself to race pace heartrate until the results of an ECG on the 11th. Pooey. I'm allowed to train all I want, so I'll probably show up early and take pictures somewhere on the hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    Due to a potentially serious, but in all likelihood harmless health problem, I'm not allowed to push myself to race pace heartrate until the results of an ECG on the 11th. Pooey. I'm allowed to train all I want, so I'll probably show up early and take pictures somewhere on the hill.

    another Pooey, because not racing sucks.
    That is no good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    Due to a potentially serious, but in all likelihood harmless health problem, I'm not allowed to push myself to race pace heartrate until the results of an ECG on the 11th. Pooey. I'm allowed to train all I want, so I'll probably show up early and take pictures somewhere on the hill.

    another Pooey, because not racing sucks.
    Hope everything turns out well.

    I went through the same thing a couple years ago when I was in the middle of (measly sport class) race shape. The primary care assistant couldn't get a proper reading, and my HBP + low resting HR sent off alarms, and me to a specialist. Had to hold off until I could get proper testing with the specialist done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrah
    Hope everything turns out well.

    I went through the same thing a couple years ago when I was in the middle of (measly sport class) race shape. The primary care assistant couldn't get a proper reading, and my HBP + low resting HR sent off alarms, and me to a specialist. Had to hold off until I could get proper testing with the specialist done.
    yup, I was at the hospital with a HR of 38-43. About my resting rate, but certainly not where it should be when I'm sitting up and talking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    yup, I was at the hospital with a HR of 38-43. About my resting rate, but certainly not where it should be when I'm sitting up and talking.
    i wouldn't stress too much about it....that's where mine was when i was younger......freaked a bunch of dr.'s out......many tests later they figured out it was normal for me......

    heck, they still double and triple check me when i visit the ER....and that's in the mid to high 40's now.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    Due to a potentially serious, but in all likelihood harmless health problem, I'm not allowed to push myself to race pace heartrate until the results of an ECG on the 11th. Pooey. I'm allowed to train all I want, so I'll probably show up early and take pictures somewhere on the hill.

    another Pooey, because not racing sucks.
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    Kennedy Forever

    Menso, No offense to anyone on this board but it can be confusing when medical opinions come up. Kennedy will always be there and we all have stop watches. This sounds like a fun ride and a good chance to chase some riders with equal or slightly better ability up the hill and maybe get a PR. I wish I could make it but I think I will save my vacation for Pinecrest Peak or Tahoe.
    I hope you are alright and I'm sure you will hit PR's trying to stay ahead of JMS down in SLO this winter.
    As for Kennedy you are still the king until someone beats your time last year anyway right?

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    What do you guys think is harder to climb? Montevina El Sereno hill or Kennedy? I'm going to ride Montevina tomorrow or Sunday. I need the practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    yup, I was at the hospital with a HR of 38-43. About my resting rate, but certainly not where it should be when I'm sitting up and talking.
    I just stumbled on your post. I am an RN on a cardiac unit at Stanford and frequently we have athletes that have heart rates in the 30's, especially at night. The fact that the MDs are concerned while knowing your athletic prowess is mildly concerning. Get your work up. Get your clean bill of health, then go kick some butt on the trails. Is it worth the bike or the race to harm yourself, or potentially worse? Once a king, always a king. Youth often feels invincible, don't fall into that trap. Good luck!
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    Sounds Like Fun!

    Hey, I just saw the thread, this sounds like fun, is there an entry fee? See Ya Saturday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed
    What do you guys think is harder to climb? Montevina El Sereno hill or Kennedy? I'm going to ride Montevina tomorrow or Sunday. I need the practice.
    I think Montevina is longer but easier. Only a couple of parts on Montevina feels like Kennedy to me. There should be elevation profiles... Here they are:

    Kennedy: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/1039597

    Montevina: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/1615986

    A find this metric a good comparison of the feel:

    - Go to Elevation on the left
    - Then click Distribution on the right
    - Finally select "Grade vs. Distance and Time" under the graph
    - Click on the graph to get a larger graph

    According to those, Montevina spends most time between 7-16% grade. Kennedy 5-25%. Kennedy looks more difficult as it feels more difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorCalSS
    Hey, I just saw the thread, this sounds like fun, is there an entry fee? See Ya Saturday!
    For the entry fee, you'll have to talk Major Payne.

    It's free of course. And we'll set up a bbq afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
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    Quote Originally Posted by pisket
    I think Montevina is longer but easier. Only a couple of parts on Montevina feels like Kennedy to me. There should be elevation profiles... Here they are:

    Kennedy: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/1039597

    Montevina: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/1615986

    A find this metric a good comparison of the feel:

    - Go to Elevation on the left
    - Then click Distribution on the right
    - Finally select "Grade vs. Distance and Time" under the graph
    - Click on the graph to get a larger graph

    According to those, Montevina spends most time between 7-16% grade. Kennedy 5-25%. Kennedy looks more difficult as it feels more difficult.

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    Ok cool, thanks for the info.

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    im a newbie big guy and im gonna give it a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphy
    im a newbie big guy and im gonna give it a go.
    That's the spirit!

    Please talk to my buddies who will not do it. I guess they are waiting to be as good as the kings first, which won't happen in a hundred years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    yup, I was at the hospital with a HR of 38-43. About my resting rate, but certainly not where it should be when I'm sitting up and talking.
    That's about where mine is. It's called bradycardia. I just had an EEG a few weeks ago and they didn't like what they saw.

    I've had the low heart rate all my life. It was even lower when I took Nadolol for migraine prevention. Could barely hit 140, even after pounding the Three Sisters. (Insert jokes here )

    Good luck and stay healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biking Brazilian
    ... Could barely hit 140, even after pounding the Three Sisters. (Insert jokes here )

    Good luck and stay healthy.
    Now that's good!

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    how technical is the climb? Is it fully ridable on a 'cross bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    how technical is the climb? Is it fully ridable on a 'cross bike?
    0% technical.....just fire road......ad CX rig is fine and dandy.....just not in the rain.....it'll eat your pads 100% completely away to metal-on-metal action on the way back down.....ugh......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    how technical is the climb? Is it fully ridable on a 'cross bike?
    It is just a fire road with a tiny bit of descending. There's a couple issues for a cross bike:

    One, there is a half mile section that is pretty rocky. At high pressure on a small tire, you'll be bouncing all over the place.

    Two, there is a stretch in the middle and a wall at the end that is very steep. It is hard to maintain traction there on a small tire.

    Finally, normal cross bike gearing is pretty heavy for this climb.

    Clark rode the cross bike last year and might have more to add. He did just under 28 minutes.

    So get the biggest cross tires you can get and some mighty low gearing and you're good. The descent however is going to blow!!

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    Like the others said, the DH on the CX really sucks. I rode 2 weeks ago on my CX with 39x32 gearing and it was fine, but not great. I walked the last wall, all girlie like.

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    What's the conventional wisdom for tire pressure on something like this? Lower for better traction or higher for less rolling resistance? If I was just out riding I'd probably go with something like 30psi, but having never been in a non-race before, I'm curious what other folks will be doing.
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    i run about 55 psi front and rear riding up kennedy. go harder for faster, you don't have to worry about traction very much if you're moving quickly.

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    Francis is right on regarding the cross bike. The advantages are weight and efficiency on moderate grades with decent traction. The last two steep climbs (short one, followed by longer one) are challenging due to traction and gearing. Go with the beefiest cross tire you have, and with the lowest/easiest gear you can run. Last year I did it with a compact crank (50/34) and a 13/26 rear cassette, and it was really hard to turn the pedals at the top. This year I swapped the 13/26 for a 13/29. I did a practice run with this gearing a week or so ago, and barely made the two climbs at the top due to dusty/dry conditions. It's hit or miss. Be ready to hop off and run, cross style!

    Of course, the descent is a bone-jarring, teeth-rattling experience, and you'll be happy to see the trailhead once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    It is just a fire road with a tiny bit of descending. There's a couple issues for a cross bike:

    One, there is a half mile section that is pretty rocky. At high pressure on a small tire, you'll be bouncing all over the place.

    Two, there is a stretch in the middle and a wall at the end that is very steep. It is hard to maintain traction there on a small tire.

    Finally, normal cross bike gearing is pretty heavy for this climb.

    Clark rode the cross bike last year and might have more to add. He did just under 28 minutes.

    So get the biggest cross tires you can get and some mighty low gearing and you're good. The descent however is going to blow!!

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    well, its a 29er, so of course I could run some big tires if need be. This rocky part, is that on the descent? Maybe a better question is if you could run anything from a cross tire on up, what would be ideal? Is it just regular hard pack besides these short loose and rocky parts?

    This should be fun. The last hill climb "event" I did must have been about 18 years ago. Too bad I'm not quite as light as I was then.

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    Ok, my bike is ready. I took it on a test run at Skeggs last night and I think it's good to go. Chain stays on and the 9-speed is ok to pedal.

    The rear tire can stay since it grips good at 25 psi.

    Weight is zero lbs. It's on my facebook gallery if you really ought to know.

    I need some bar ends. I got the super-chunky Cane Creek ones but lighter ones would be nice.

    I'm going to shave my head, ride barefoot with a speedo to save weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    how technical is the climb? Is it fully ridable on a 'cross bike?

    Did you not believe me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Did you not believe me?

    You're a frickin' head case.

    Hey, I asked you about a road bike. Besides, your skinny tire credibility is highly questionable.



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    Where is that picture from?

    Looks cool even for a road bike pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbikermom
    Looks cool even for a road bike pic.
    Vuelta de Espana a couple years ago. They always make the roadies go up some steep dirt road.

    The Vuelta is going on right now btw. Levi won today!!
    http://reviews.roadbikereview.com/bl...ory/la-vuelta/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Hey, I asked you about a road bike. Besides, your skinny tire credibility is highly questionable.
    True, it is rather suspect.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    I see Francois is racing in the plastic, sub-8 kilo category. I'll be in the no-carbon-allowed, sub-10 kilo category.
    Old?

    Fingers are crossed my WTB is done by Sat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E
    What's the conventional wisdom for tire pressure on something like this? Lower for better traction or higher for less rolling resistance? If I was just out riding I'd probably go with something like 30psi, but having never been in a non-race before, I'm curious what other folks will be doing.
    30 psi is good.

    For rolling resistance, very high pressures only work if the surface is very smooth. If the surface has is rough and has a lot of embedded rocks, a hard tire will get bounced back causing increased rolling resistance. A tire needs to supple and compliant and conform to the rocks to have good rolling resistance on rough surfaces.

    I used to ride with 60 psi to go fast. Now I ride.... 22 psi most of the time (tubeless). More control and more traction too.

    As far as traction is concerned, yes that's an issue on this climb too. Less is more.

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