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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    The finish is where it levels out before the intersection. If you keep on riding, it takes 30 seconds to a minute to get to the intersection.
    Here is the approach as you climb: after 3.5ish miles you reach the "false summit" and the short downhill that follows. The road turns right for a small climb. Then there are the two "walls". The first is not so bad, most people make it. It then very briefly (30 yards or less) flattens a little before the second wall. Many walk this due to the combination of grade and loose dirt. The finish is at a (relatively) large tree on the left about 20 yards after the steepest part of the second "wall".
    Finish line right here. Man, I did have water. What was my problem then?

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    It's the rear suspension robbing much of your power! 165mm and 32lbs of inefficiency stealing your forward drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Yeah, keep hiding in bavaria mr. third place finisher. You know you want to fly out back here and defend your podium position.

    That's why I sucked last year. I had no agua!

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    Bavaria??? What did you have in your coffee this morning? Did I leave the impression that I like my Bratwurst boiled?

    But your right, I would definitely fly out there, anybody starting a fundraiser?

    Hm, I can do a sympathy ride over here at the same time and then post my time. If I ride the highest mountain in a 50km perimeter I think 30 loops should give me the same amount of elevation like Kennedy

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    Are the TT's going to on Saturday's this year? That would be more betterest for my schedule. I'm out on the 3oth doing the bike leg of a relay tri, bummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rj2
    I've challenged Clark Foy from SJBC to beat Menso. Clark was only 24 seconds behind Menso last year. Let's hear it for the 40+ crowd.

    BTW: Someone needs to contact the BuyCell guys and Don Myrah.
    Is he coming? Cyclocross bike again??

    I saw him riding with the pros at Los Gatos. He had ummm... $5500 carbon wheels. That guy has about .001% body fat.

    I'll contact TimmyC and team Buycell.

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    Id love to do it if I was in better shape. Kennedy is a brutal climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed
    Id love to do it if I was in better shape. Kennedy is a brutal climb.
    You have one month.

    This is not about winning. It's about setting goals. And meeting people and drinking beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    You have one month.

    This is not about winning. It's about setting goals. And meeting people and drinking beer.

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    Well now that you said that magic word (beer)
    I am riding every other day now trying to get into shape, maybe I can make it in a month.

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    Should be able to do either weekend...good thing I was planning on doing a bit of practice tomorrow morning...

    Should be hitting it 2-3x week for the next few weeks...

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    Did someone say BBQ?

    I'm in! Mere mortal pace of course. Never ridden that particular climb before, I think. What time is this thing starting again?
    Hey man, wanna go for a klunk?

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    The tentative date is:

    September 6, 9am.

    We still need a ride organizer and timekeeper.

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    As per the numbers and timing, how hard can it be?
    Does anybody have laser printer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen_Turtle
    As per the numbers and timing, how hard can it be?
    Does anybody have laser printer?

    Menso, here's your number...
    I don't think we can have number plates and logos. This is not a race or event , remember.

    Everybody will take off at once (maybe two groups). When you hit the end line, Just say your name and your time will be recorded.

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    I can help coordinate the timing, but there will need to be a few more people to make it run smoothly.

    $20 can get you a set of 100 generic racing numbers... it would make things easier... or perhaps 15 minutes and a laser printer would suffice - or if everyone's OK with the "shout out your name and time" method, then that would work too (there was some grumbling last year with this)

    But I hear what you're saying Francois - I would hate that in today's litigous society, if god forbid someone gets hurt, that "the organizers" of this might be held accountable. Where is the line crossed (in a court of law) from a bunch of friends showing up with a stopwatch, vs. an "organized race".

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJeff
    I can help coordinate the timing, but there will need to be a few more people to make it run smoothly.

    $20 can get you a set of 100 generic of racing numbers... it would make things easier... or perhaps 15 minutes and a laser printer would suffice - or if everyone's OK with the "shout out your name and time" method, then that would work too (there was some grumbling last year with this)

    But I hear what you're saying Francois - I would hate that in today's litigous society, if god forbid someone gets hurt, that "the organizers" of this might be held accountable. Where is the line crossed (in a court of law) from a bunch of friends showing up with a stopwatch, vs. an "organized race".
    I don't think we're worried about suing each other. Midpen might show up and block the trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    I don't think we're worried about suing each other. Midpen might show up and block the trail.
    Yeah - that too is a consideration for the same reason... But they are definitely aware and put up with the Turkey Day Ride, and let's hope this doesn't grow to even a quarter of the size of that!

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    I can help out with the timing.

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    If numbers are not ok, then another idea is to give at the start a little witness with the start time for that wave, like a post-it or something that says "9.30 Start" so that when you get to the top you give that back along with your name. If there are only few waves then even color coded marbles or tags will do the job - just to know what time you started.

    I rode a few times with a number attached to my helmet (that was after Downieville) but that didn't mean I was racing....
    Would it be hard to get authorization from MidPen for an 'Event'? I'm just asking...
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    Could be as simple a pad of paper at the start write names, give number (tell folks number or a sticky) and a start time (X number of groups). Then at the end just call out you number (so the folks at the end have a simple job of just recording time and numbers then the start list can be used to find the times.

    I want to give this one a go (first time riding with a group up Kennedy) but can help as needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Finish line right here. Man, I did have water. What was my problem then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menso
    I don't think we're worried about suing each other. Midpen might show up and block the trail.
    X-actly. So no race kapeeech?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gstahl
    Could be as simple a pad of paper at the start write names, give number (tell folks number or a sticky) and a start time (X number of groups). Then at the end just call out you number (so the folks at the end have a simple job of just recording time and numbers then the start list can be used to find the times.

    I want to give this one a go (first time riding with a group up Kennedy) but can help as needed.
    This is the way the road low-key hill climb series does it. You get a number on a little sticker, slap it on your stem, and at the top make sure to yell it out. Seems to work pretty well for that series.

    I should be there this year, although helping out with the timing/cheering section almost sounds more fun than having Menso whoop me by 10 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirkrameroy
    This is the way the road low-key hill climb series does it. You get a number on a little sticker, slap it on your stem, and at the top make sure to yell it out. Seems to work pretty well for that series.

    I should be there this year, although helping out with the timing/cheering section almost sounds more fun than having Menso whoop me by 10 minutes.
    This is a darn good idea! Let's do it.

    I climbed Montebello today. I'm inspired!

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    Here's how we did it last year:
    Someone volunteers to bike up ahead with a pad, pencil, and stopwatch.

    At the bottom, that person and myself sync watches. I set everyone off in 5 minute or whatever intervals, self seeded, until the very last wave, which I go up with. As you cross the line, you yell (grunt?) your name and the volunteer who is standing there records your finish time on the pad, which already has everyone's names on it. After everyone finishes, we determine who was in which of the three or four waves and subtract 0, 5, 10, or 15 minutes to get the real times.

    of course, everyone can just just time themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirkrameroy
    This is the way the road low-key hill climb series does it. You get a number on a little sticker, slap it on your stem, and at the top make sure to yell it out. Seems to work pretty well for that series.

    I should be there this year, although helping out with the timing/cheering section almost sounds more fun than having Menso whoop me by 10 minutes.
    It aint that simple folks. The Kings of Kennedy is one that you ride and spectate the Kings finish at the same time. Since we don't have volunteers to purely do timing, we needed to send some folks up in early waves, but that their times also counted. Their times also had to be in complete sync with the last wave. Since the organizer also wanted to ride and see the finish, but he wasn't the fastest rider of the day, someone had to send off the last/fastest heat, with the time sync'd to the very first person that started over 1 hr ago.
    This would be really easy if Menso or Clark were the organizer. Menso can then start the 1:15 climbers, and 45 mins later, start the Kings heat. That way, all the riders should be up at the top to cheer on the Kings across the line.
    A variant of last years timing scheme would work well. Name tags with numbers as suggested would close the gap of issues we had (arbitrary riders getting timed but didn't start in official heats). This year, no tag, no time, no official heat start. Also, we can take pics of each finisher at the tree, and look at the time stamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho
    It aint that simple folks. The Kings of Kennedy is one that you ride and spectate the Kings finish at the same time. Since we don't have volunteers to purely do timing, we needed to send some folks up in early waves, but that their times also counted. Their times also had to be in complete sync with the last wave. Since the organizer also wanted to ride and see the finish, but he wasn't the fastest rider of the day, someone had to send off the last/fastest heat, with the time sync'd to the very first person that started over 1 hr ago.
    This would be really easy if Menso or Clark were the organizer. Menso can then start the 1:15 climbers, and 45 mins later, start the Kings heat. That way, all the riders should be up at the top to cheer on the Kings across the line.
    A variant of last years timing scheme would work well. Name tags with numbers as suggested would close the gap of issues we had (arbitrary riders getting timed but didn't start in official heats). This year, no tag, no time, no official heat start. Also, we can take pics of each finisher at the tree, and look at the time stamp.
    Get back to your honeymoon Rensho!

    I would suggest two start times:
    Over 35 minute climbers - 9am
    Sub 35 minute climbers - 9:15

    That way we have rabbits to chase and we can spectate while riding, etc. Congestion is not a problem anyway.

    Too many waves of riders starting at different times is not needed.

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    Who's riding SS and what gear combo? I'm going from a 32T to 33T crankset tonight, with the rear currently at 18T. I might grab a 19T just to lessen the pain!

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    One bike, one gear ratio, and no tool to change: 32/17.

    I made it up in 50 minutes this weekend. That's 3 minutes worse than last year but I've already started riding more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisket
    One bike, one gear ratio, and no tool to change: 32/17.

    I made it up in 50 minutes this weekend. That's 3 minutes worse than last year but I've already started riding more.

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    I've been considering this for a while now, but I'm not sure I'm ready for SS Kennedy.
    Do you think 32/20 is doable for regular human people?

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    Zen...I did it on my SS the first time I rode Kennedy and I believe I did it in 53 min. It had a 32/19 at the time...so 32/20 is definently doable for "human's"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cableguy46
    Zen...I did it on my SS the first time I rode Kennedy and I believe I did it in 53 min. It had a 32/19 at the time...so 32/20 is definently doable for "human's"
    Hmm, not sure I'd list you among 'humans' but at this point the only way to find out is to give it a shot. I'm new to SS and right now just using it for commuting (with a big 36/16) and it's growing on me. I guess I'll hit something easier before heading to Kennedy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pisket
    One bike, one gear ratio, and no tool to change: 32/17.

    I made it up in 50 minutes this weekend. That's 3 minutes worse than last year but I've already started riding more.

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    I always forget to run the timer when I do Kennedy. The clock starts at the porta-potty at the Kennedy trailhead and stops at the {finish line that nobody can't agree on}, right?

    50 minutes. I'll use that as a starting point, then come back on here and brag if I can beat it.

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    SS'ing eh? That's awesome! What bike did you get? 26 or 29?

    cableguy46 is right: 32/20 should be pretty good on a 26" bike.

    I can't make it to Kennedy this Wednesday, but I am riding Tuesday and Wednesday mornings. Wednesday will be an easy ride though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biking Brazilian
    the {finish line that nobody can't agree on}, right?
    The finish is the tree that's at the center of this map:

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...01969&t=h&z=19

    You can zoom out to see that it's about 150 meters before the intersection where the mtbr had their table at the Turkey Ride.

    "The wall" climbs from north to south (top to bottom in the map). As soon as the wall ends, it makes a left hand turn and the tree is right at that point on the left. (Left when hiking up; right on the map above.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisket
    The finish is the tree that's at the center of this map:

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...01969&t=h&z=19

    You can zoom out to see that it's about 150 meters before the intersection where the mtbr had their table at the Turkey Ride.

    "The wall" climbs from north to south (top to bottom in the map). As soon as the wall ends, it makes a left hand turn and the tree is right at that point on the left. (Left when hiking up; right on the map above.)

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    Heck Zen, you the man...just "grab it and growl"...you can do it, if not a little walking never killed anyone, just a slow steady "grind"...looking forward to reading about the experience...

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    Not Sure

    How fast I can climb Kennedy right now, less than 45 minutes probably. On an SS I could probably hit 45 minutes but I bet I would be slower in anything less than a 35/22. I would say, for me, a 32/20 or even 32/21, would be quite a bit faster than a 32/18 or 32/19. That's on a 26 " wheel. I think I would be walking most of the way in a 32/17. I am climbing Montevina today and I will probably start up in a 35/19 but flop my hub half way up the hill to the 22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portola Vince
    How fast I can climb Kennedy right now, less than 45 minutes probably. On an SS I could probably hit 45 minutes but I bet I would be slower in anything less than a 35/22. I would say, for me, a 32/20 or even 32/21, would be quite a bit faster than a 32/18 or 32/19. That's on a 26 " wheel. I think I would be walking most of the way in a 32/17. I am climbing Montevina today and I will probably start up in a 35/19 but flop my hub half way up the hill to the 22.
    I am curious now. I will climb Kennedy on an SS soon. But not on the day of the Kings.

    BTW, we are having an uphill time trial on Sept. 13 on Old La Honda road in Woodside. We'll have a bonus for folks who use the same bike for Kennedy and OLH time trials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    BTW, we are having an uphill time trial on Sept. 13 on Old La Honda road in Woodside. We'll have a bonus for folks who use the same bike for Kennedy and OLH time trials.
    A second bike I guess? Or a second cog? In any case I am eligible!

    Where is the information about the Old La Honda TT? Start and Finish?

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    Climb Kennedy or play golf?

    I also have my monthly Xilinx golf tournament on Sep 6. I can do both if I do the Kennedy climb at 8am. I should be back down at 9am, just in time to see everyone else starting. Maybe someone wants to do the climb up with me and stay at the top to do the timing? I can bring two walky talkies to help with the timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisket
    Where is the information about the Old La Honda TT?
    Google is my friend:

    http://felixwong.com/2002/09/old-la-...bicycle-climb/

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisket
    Yes, that is the one and only. Here is the planning thread:

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...d.php?t=142319

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    Are the Wednesday HC Kennedy training rides still happening?

    I remember seeing some folks out there with Francis warming up early but that was months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbikermom
    I remember seeing some folks out there with Francis warming up early but that was months ago.

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    Yes, we're riding up Kennedy again today. Be at the top at 7pm. It's so much hotter in the afternoon, I'm not sure it'll even be any good training for an early morning hill climb.
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    Did someone say golf???

    Ack! Missing the KOM for golf??? JL, you need to hold you finger on the reset button for 5seconds...

    I injured my wrist playing golf 10 yrs ago and bought a GF sugar cuz I was bored, and that was the end of golf for me. My clubs were stolen 3 yrs ago out of the garage and I didn't even notice. Woo-hoo!

    Francois, it looks like you might have a big turnout, so maybe the starts should be staggered in 5min increments (< 35min, 36-45min, 45+) with the fast guys going first. I foresee a turkey-day-like traffic jam.

    Also, has anyone ever checked to see if walkie-talkies work from top to trailhead? I ride Kennedy at least once a week so if someone wants to give it a try I'm game (early Sat or Sun mornings). Alternatively, we could use cell phones just to log the different start times. Riders could sign in with their mtbr moniker and get a stem sticker at the trailhead. Of course, you're looking at starting the sign-in process ~1 hr (or more) before the first start, if you care about results (1-2min per rider).

    Is there a time & place for the bbq afterwards? I have a decent propane camping griddle if it's needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbikermom
    I remember seeing some folks out there with Francis warming up early but that was months ago.

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    Same Hill. Wrong Thread. See Here.

    HCW is great practice for KoK, which you should do. But for you it'll be QoK.
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    Hey Tick! Good to see you again... We rode back to town together last Saturday.

    Agreed about golf...

    Besides, I am skipping a bike ride in Fort Ord and an autocross event at Monterey just for KoK! I was in the first one, I am not missing the second one!

    As far as I know, walkie-talkies don't work from the top to the bottom of Kennedy.

    I am beginning to like the idea that the slower riders go first so that everybody has some rabbit to chase. That would make one feel good... Assuming that this ride will nowhere be jammed like the Turkey ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jms
    Only if is she rides on the handlebars - that would at least give some other people a chance.
    Jeez, don't turn this into the "Special Olympics": where everybody has a class, and everybody gets a medal.
    First to the top, human powered [or, alien appearing in human form - Menso] is the winner.
    I'll watch.
    Damn, I wanted to win the "44 yr old, black Cannondale Prophet w/ a Lefty, XT crankset, with silver helmet" category.
    Lead by my Lefty............... right down the trail, no brakes.

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