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    I think I'm getting a super custom 29'er. Except I don't like 29'ers. (help)

    It's all tburgers fault.

    I think I'm going to get a nice custom, fully rigid 29'er. But I really dont like 29'ers. All the ones I've ridden just felt weird. Odd handling, big wheels. Gyroscopic inertia. geriatric styling.

    So, I've come to you for help.

    I acknowledge I have a problem. And this problem is bigger than I am capable of handling by my self.

    Who among you are willing to lead me from darkness to light?

    I want to try your 29'ers to get a feel for different ones, so I can hone in on the handling and geometry I like.

    I did recently try a Cannondale hardtail 29'er that felt rather normal. Good even. So there's hope.

    If any of you would be willing to let me try your bike, that would be great.

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    I hear Specialized makes good two whiners.

    The only 29er I've ridden that I liked was a Tall Boy. Perhaps you can have someone copy that geometry for your custom bike. Although you probably could get a Tall Boy for less money than you are going to spend...

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    I'll bring my monocog 29er, you bring the beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeng View Post
    I hear Specialized makes good two whiners.

    The only 29er I've ridden that I liked was a Tall Boy. Perhaps you can have someone copy that geometry for your custom bike. Although you probably could get a Tall Boy for less money than you are going to spend...
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    Quote Originally Posted by slide mon View Post
    I'll bring my monocog 29er, you bring the beer.

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    we're doing a big ass diablo ride this sunday. you guys should come out!
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    You can ride my Marin 29er! Next Wed? SR?
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    Get some thing in carbon.

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    Won't be here. Leaving for Solvang for wifey's century ride tomorrow morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LJ0913 View Post
    You can ride my Marin 29er! Next Wed? SR?
    what about tomorrow or friday after work?
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    I know nothing about 29ers, but supposedly Black Cat bikes handle closer to a 26er. 16.5 chainstays. Check out his interview for the NAHBS. Personally I'm staying 26.
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    Three builders at the show said they were happy they were allowed to build 26ers again this year. The moratorium has been lifted.

    And here is the true trend of the future...

    Road bike - big tires - disc brakes

    I saw at least 10 bikes like that. This is the future. A road bike that can go anywhere!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Widgeontrail View Post
    I know nothing about 29ers, but supposedly Black Cat bikes handle closer to a 26er. 16.5 chainstays. Check out his interview for the NAHBS. Personally I'm staying 26.
    I'm going with Potts. he's a friend and it would be like cheating on a partner if I went with anyone else.

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    When and where are you guys riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    ok. ping me next week. I'll my bike to work and meet you somewheres.
    Roger that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LJ0913 View Post
    Won't be here. Leaving for Solvang for wifey's century ride tomorrow morning.
    ok. ping me next week. I'll my bike to work and meet you somewheres.
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    WHat time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmanuel09 View Post
    When and where are you guys riding?
    Indian valley. And beyond!
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    ok. ping me next week. I'll my bike to work and meet you somewheres.
    C:\Users\Dan>ping iheartbicycles
    Ping request could not find host iheartbicycles. Please check the name and try again.


    Maybe it will work next week...

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaverbiker View Post
    FC, they're called mountain bikes. They are super fun and you really can go anywhere.
    Ha, ha, ha... point taken. Although 2 miles on pavement is about my limit for the mtb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    C:\Users\Dan>ping iheartbicycles
    Ping request could not find host iheartbicycles. Please check the name and try again.


    Maybe it will work next week...
    Such a nerd.

    But I dig it.

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    One day, I too hope to have enough money to buy things I don't even want.

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    Make sure to test ride a rigid xc machine with a tubeless 2.4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post

    And here is the true trend of the future...

    Road bike - big tires - disc brakes

    I saw at least 10 bikes like that. This is the future. A road bike that can go anywhere!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gddyap View Post
    = cyclocross
    True. I ride my CX bike everywhere, but Francois is talking about something more like this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmanuel09 View Post
    WHat time?
    not sure yet. 9am'ish. Might start from my house and end with a bbq.
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    What size tt u need? My Blacksheep is 24".

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    I am bumping in from out here in AZ to interfere with this thread but if you want rigid, real rigid give yourself a chance to ride a jones bike, see what a bike designed to be rigid is like before having a bike built that is designed to be a suspended bike but with a rigid fork on it. If you go potts you can have a type II made with an increase offset so you can really enjoy your rigid and potts experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    And here is the true trend of the future...

    Road bike - big tires - disc brakes

    I saw at least 10 bikes like that. This is the future. A road bike that can go anywhere!!!

    fc
    I'm gettin' me one of those. Its the wave of the future for sure.

    Passing on the 36er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    It's all tburgers fault.

    I think I'm going to get a nice custom, fully rigid 29'er. But I really dont like 29'ers. All the ones I've ridden just felt weird. Odd handling, big wheels. Gyroscopic inertia. geriatric styling.

    So, I've come to you for help.

    I acknowledge I have a problem. And this problem is bigger than I am capable of handling by my self.

    Who among you are willing to lead me from darkness to light?

    I want to try your 29'ers to get a feel for different ones, so I can hone in on the handling and geometry I like.

    I did recently try a Cannondale hardtail 29'er that felt rather normal. Good even. So there's hope.

    If any of you would be willing to let me try your bike, that would be great.

    I'm tall. And in the East Bay. I'm really good looking from the right camera angle. And I don't shave.
    You can take mine out again for a full ride if you want.

    I think its more applications specific. 29ers are great if you can use the momentum. Something more technical that requires tight maneuvering around rocks or switchbacks, not so much because it is harder to turn and then get momentum back. Maybe you should try a cheap one to see if you get used to it before investing in the Potts.

    Interesting article in the last Bike magazine talking about how 29 may become standard for anything less than 5" of travel. Goes on to talk about ways they are shortening the chain stays to try and improve handling, which is the biggest drawback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gddyap View Post
    = cyclocross
    That's what I use now. But the brakes suck, BB is high and head tube is steep.

    Some examples:
    Ritte Stainless Steel Road Bike | Road Bike News, Reviews, and Photos
    Caletti Cycles Adventure | Road Bike News, Reviews, and Photos

    Should be a bunch more coming in our coverage with even bigger tires and better brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    That's what I use now. But the brakes suck, BB is high and head tube is steep.

    Some examples:
    Ritte Stainless Steel Road Bike | Road Bike News, Reviews, and Photos
    Caletti Cycles Adventure | Road Bike News, Reviews, and Photos

    Should be a bunch more coming in our coverage with even bigger tires and better brakes.

    fc
    Something like this. I believe technically cx, but should be kind of a go anywhere bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    I think I'm going to get a nice custom, fully rigid 29'er.
    Want!

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    if we're talking a 'go-anywhere' bike i want one of these:


    from the article:
    BikePortland.org » Blog Archive » More from NAHBS: Hunter's mountain trekker, MAP's old/new rando, and the 'Alcohauler'

    Rick Hunter's NAHBS centerpiece was a 29-inch wheeled adventure bike. Hunter built it for himself to tackle epic, multi-day rides in the hills near his shop in Santa Cruz County. The bike is extremely versatile (he called it a "universal bike") and it can be built up with gears, as a singlespeed, or with an internal hub. You could even squeeze a suspension fork on if you wanted to. It's also easy to travel with, featuring a Ritchey Break-away joint at the seat tube cluster and an S & S Coupler low on the downtube near the bottom bracket....
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    we're doing a big ass diablo ride this sunday. you guys should come out!
    Can't make that, taking the kid skiing, but let me know if you want to come over for a night ride next Weds or Thurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    That's def not what I'm looking for. More like tburgers bike, but a lot bigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdamschen View Post
    Get some thing in carbon.
    carbon would be fine in this application - but I want a potts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    No. Potts.

    I want an "heirloom" bike. One that will last for freeking ever, made by a demigod.

    edit - but todds explanation makes me go "hmmmmm"
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmanuel09 View Post
    WHat time?
    Mike, 9am at indian valley or 8:30 at my house. beers and Q after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7HVN View Post
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    What size tt u need? My Blacksheep is 24".
    I really want to ride something in my size. You're like 5'8" and I am like double that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    That's what I use now. But the brakes suck, BB is high and head tube is steep.

    Some examples:
    Ritte Stainless Steel Road Bike | Road Bike News, Reviews, and Photos
    Caletti Cycles Adventure | Road Bike News, Reviews, and Photos

    Should be a bunch more coming in our coverage with even bigger tires and better brakes.

    fc
    Isn't the only good tire option the John Holmes or whatever from Rivendell? I mean everything else is a low performance kevlar plated commuting tire or a hybrid tire in that size.

    Seems like we will have to wait for another genre of bikes to come out with suitable treads so that we can use the bikes to their full potential.

    Of course fat road bikes bring plush to a new apex, needing not weird elastomers in the frame, nor carbon fibers laid up just so, or millions of dollars of research, just a fatter tire in an already existing frame type with the geometry tweaked to work with it. Of course that is what they said about 29ers when they first came out and it took quite awhile for then to get that geometry sorted.

    That said, John Holmes would be a great name for a fat road bike or a fat road bike tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    carbon would be fine in this application - but I want a potts.
    Damn! I just can't win with you.

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    29er is so last year. You need to try a 27.5er.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider View Post
    You can take mine out again for a full ride if you want.

    I think its more applications specific. 29ers are great if you can use the momentum. Something more technical that requires tight maneuvering around rocks or switchbacks, not so much because it is harder to turn and then get momentum back. Maybe you should try a cheap one to see if you get used to it before investing in the Potts.

    Interesting article in the last Bike magazine talking about how 29 may become standard for anything less than 5" of travel. Goes on to talk about ways they are shortening the chain stays to try and improve handling, which is the biggest drawback.
    I might take you up. I want something that's a cross between your bike and the black cat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    I might take you up. I want something that's a cross between your bike and the black cat.
    If current tire options are to your liking, maybe seriously consider 650b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    VPP is teh suck
    Who cares, it will be fully rigid.

    I like rigid 29rs. Compensates a bit for the lack of suspension.

    But I like suspension even better. Contemplating switching my weenie titanium hardtail to an FS frame (26r..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Who cares, it will be fully rigid.

    I like rigid 29rs. Compensates a bit for the lack of suspension.

    But I like suspension even better. Contemplating switching my weenie titanium hardtail to an FS frame (26r..)
    that was in response to someone recomending the tallboy. I already have a very light 26" full sus, and a freeride and a DH. This will be a mountain cruiser, pimp ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    This will be a pimp ride.
    Got to have that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    If current tire options are to your liking, maybe seriously consider 650b.
    Nah. That's yet to be proven. I just need to ride some of these, and compare geometry. So Potts wont do a fully suspension corrected type 2, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    This will be a mountain cruiser, pimp ride.
    I thought that's what the Pee Wee Herman bike was for.

    Old school pimp ride was my motivation. Totally buying into a design the way Steve Potts thinks it should be was okay with me. I actually think short stay slack angle 29ers are a great design. But it doesn't really jive with Potts' style. Bit of a trade-off there. Perhaps I'll pick up a slack steel 29er one of these days when my wife isn't looking.

    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    Nah. That's yet to be proven. I just need to ride some of these, and compare geometry. So Potts wont do a fully suspension corrected type 2, eh?
    If you cut your legs off at the shins, you'd be able to fit mine. He can do the Type II's corrected for a 100mm travel fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    I thought that's what the Pee Wee Herman bike was for.

    Old school pimp ride was my motivation. Totally buying into a design the way Steve Potts thinks it should be was okay with me. I actually think short stay slack angle 29ers are a great design. But it doesn't really jive with Potts' style. Bit of a trade-off there. Perhaps I'll pick up a slack steel 29er one of these days when my wife isn't looking.

    Mmmmm slack, short chain stay Hardtail 29'ers...

    I like where this is going!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    If you cut your legs off at the shins...
    He may need those to pay for the new toy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    I thought that's what the Pee Wee Herman bike was for.

    Old school pimp ride was my motivation. Totally buying into a design the way Steve Potts thinks it should be was okay with me. I actually think short stay slack angle 29ers are a great design. But it doesn't really jive with Potts' style. Bit of a trade-off there. Perhaps I'll pick up a slack steel 29er one of these days when my wife isn't looking.



    If you cut your legs off at the shins, you'd be able to fit mine. He can do the Type II's corrected for a 100mm travel fork.
    If you can do type 2 corrected for 100 mil, that should be fine. I was just looking at the cannondale geometry, and it's pretty standard - 71/73, 17.5" stays - just a longer axle to crown than most rigid forks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    I want an "heirloom" bike. One that will last for freeking ever, made by a demigod.
    That would be titanium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    It's all tburgers fault.

    I think I'm going to get a nice custom, fully rigid 29'er. But I really dont like 29'ers. All the ones I've ridden just felt weird. Odd handling, big wheels. Gyroscopic inertia. geriatric styling.

    So, I've come to you for help.

    I acknowledge I have a problem. And this problem is bigger than I am capable of handling by my self.

    Who among you are willing to lead me from darkness to light?

    I want to try your 29'ers to get a feel for different ones, so I can hone in on the handling and geometry I like.

    I did recently try a Cannondale hardtail 29'er that felt rather normal. Good even. So there's hope.

    If any of you would be willing to let me try your bike, that would be great.

    I'm tall. And in the East Bay. I'm really good looking from the right camera angle. And I don't shave.
    Apperently not everyone appreciates my literary genius!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    Isn't the only good tire option the John Holmes or whatever from Rivendell? I mean everything else is a low performance kevlar plated commuting tire or a hybrid tire in that size.

    Seems like we will have to wait for another genre of bikes to come out with suitable treads so that we can use the bikes to their full potential.

    Of course fat road bikes bring plush to a new apex, needing not weird elastomers in the frame, nor carbon fibers laid up just so, or millions of dollars of research, just a fatter tire in an already existing frame type with the geometry tweaked to work with it. Of course that is what they said about 29ers when they first came out and it took quite awhile for then to get that geometry sorted.

    That said, John Holmes would be a great name for a fat road bike or a fat road bike tire.

    I heard there's been a change in tires and high quality big road tires are now available. And that's helping this wave of new bikes.

    I've been using a Continental Top Contact 32c but it is $90 each! Awesome though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdamschen View Post
    I've always been partial to retrotecs for a sheer pimp ride. If I had the extra $$ to toss around I'd get a 650b one for cruising ft. ord all day: Inglis & Retrotec Cycles | Quality Bicycles Handmade in Napa, California
    Dude, there are so many good builders out there. What ever tilts your kilt, mang!
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    that was in response to someone recomending the tallboy. I already have a very light 26" full sus, and a freeride and a DH. This will be a mountain cruiser, pimp ride.
    I've always been partial to retrotecs for a sheer pimp ride. If I had the extra $$ to toss around I'd get a 650b one for cruising ft. ord all day: Inglis & Retrotec Cycles | Quality Bicycles Handmade in Napa, California

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    Dude, there are so many good builders out there. What ever tilts your kilt, mang!
    It's the swoopy seat and chain stays! they speak to me man! they speak to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    Apperently not everyone appreciates my literary genius!

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    HTFU and sign your neg reps so I can pos rep you! SISSY!
    I just took a look at this rep business for the first time. Perhaps I will neg rep you and call you a d00$hnozzle sometime soon. I will be sure to sign it.

    Very cool about the Potts frame. My one complaint with my 29er HT is that my rear wheel slips a lot when I'm climbing out of the saddle. Partly just because it's a SS but also because the chainstays are nearly 18" long. It's 7 years old and times/geometry have changed. My Epic Marathon 29 feels both quicker in the turns and more sure footed in steep terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy f View Post
    I just took a look at this rep business for the first time. Perhaps I will neg rep you and call you a d00$hnozzle sometime soon. I will be sure to sign it.

    Very cool about the Potts frame. My one complaint with my 29er HT is that my rear wheel slips a lot when I'm climbing out of the saddle. Partly just because it's a SS but also because the chainstays are nearly 18" long. It's 7 years old and times/geometry have changed. My Epic Marathon 29 feels both quicker in the turns and more sure footed in steep terrain.
    dude, you should come up and ride diablo with us sunday. And bring your ventana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    dude, you should come up and ride diablo with us sunday. And bring your ventana.
    Might be able to make it. Is there anything interesting for my wife and kids to do in the area while we ride?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy f View Post
    Might be able to make it. Is there anything interesting for my wife and kids to do in the area while we ride?
    buy us beer and cook us up some grubb?

    Or maybe the oakland zoo. lots of good hiking, parks, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    650Bs have been around for a while now. Why is everyone all of a sudden getting on the bandwagon for 'em?
    Rumors of the upcoming products from major manufacturer, I guess.

    "AM" bikes getting mainstream and 29r" getting mainstream - together a good argument for the 650b wheel size..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    650Bs have been around for a while now. Why is everyone all of a sudden getting on the bandwagon for 'em?
    Bike industry is just starting to pull it together and make tires that would survive my hack-like riding in 650b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    That's right: rumours of Fox's 650B and Scott making 650Bs.

    650B = long travel and bigger wheels. Almost sounds like a Reese peanut butter cup. Makes sense though.



    Who's making 650B tires? I usually only see 26er, 29er and various BMX tires.
    Turner's also getting into 650's.

    Still - 29'ers have been around (in earnest) since 2000 or so. Considering I'm building an "heirloom bike" I want parts available for ions, n sh!t.
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    You would look good on a single speed!

    Get steve do add drop bars and a quill stem

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    Considering I'm building an "heirloom bike" I want parts available for ions, n sh!t.
    When you are old(er) and senile(er) rigid titanium 700c wheeled bike will make for a great touring rig for that across the South America ride.

    That is to say do not forget to ask for fender and rack mounting points.

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    What's up I Heart!
    Dude getting a bike built just for YOU is a crazy cool experience. I just had my first custom bike built last summer and trying to figure out geo. and colors was so hard for me.

    One thing for sure is it is going to be YOURS and it will never be "last years model".

    I had Jon Tallerico in Lodi build this one.
    Hope I am safe posting a road bike pic. On mtbr. In this thread?

    Note: xtr pedals and Stan's wheel set. Also 25mm tubeless.

    Oh yeah! Also Harry legs. 👍

    Enjoy the trip! which is all the decisions that you'll make on your super pimp Mtn. Ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    buy us beer and cook us up some grubb?

    Or maybe the oakland zoo. lots of good hiking, parks, etc.
    Opening weekend for the Aristocats at the Golden Bough in Carmel. One daughter is Amelia, the goose, and the other is one of the Alley Cats. Family coming up from Ventura.

    Next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    Isn't the only good tire option the John Holmes or whatever from Rivendell? I mean everything else is a low performance kevlar plated commuting tire or a hybrid tire in that size.

    Seems like we will have to wait for another genre of bikes to come out with suitable treads so that we can use the bikes to their full potential.
    Tread is overrated for that kind of bike IMHO, especially if you want to ride both road and dirt. But there are few good choices in the 650B size. I'm having a lot of fun with this bike.



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