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    Hit-and-run victim Daniel Vasquez

    howdy all:

    as you may or may not know
    there has been another bicyclist fatality here in Monterey.
    http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/mo...l/16686839.htm

    while we battle over trail usage(s), and train for up coming races
    focus on personal goals, etc.
    keep this guy and his family in mind.

    maybe think about how bikes fit into our culture
    maybe think about how we would like to see the bike in our community, how we'd like to see our society evolve.

    its a tragedy, its sad, and it blows my mind how these kinds of things happen.

    these days there are about 40,000 less cars than people in the USA.
    there are about 3 times the amount of registered vehicles compared to licensed drivers.
    last i knew there are about 44,000 fatalities in cars per year.
    i had also read somewhere that bicyclist fatalities have gone up 25% in the last 3yrs.

    as we all have experienced, the bicycle is a liberating machine.
    its a healthy lifestyle
    im asking for us to stop and take a moment, and think about how we can get away from the car.
    commute to work
    get groceries, or whatever
    you dont have to drive your car to ride your bike
    when that is the case there is something that needs to be addressed in our society

    go the Herald website listed above, check out the article and maybe make a post.
    we cannot continue to run each other over with our cars.

    just in the last few months a memorial was held for another Monterey cyclist that was fatally injured on the bike path from Seaside to Marina along HWY1 and the Ft. Ord Beach Range Rd.

    as cyclists, if we can generate the revenue the cycling industry has enjoyed from each and everyone of us, we should at least devote some energy to public safety.
    bikes can make a big change in our society
    obesity
    heart disease
    environmental issues
    etc.

    its sad to see yet another cyclist killed by a car

    and if we start to think/accept cycling as only a recreation sport, next thing we know, we will be only allowed to ride at approved venues.
    perhaps an annual license to ride in a particular area, much like boat registration or a fishing license
    and/or bikes would be banned from public streets.

    the scope of cycling has many fronts
    i feel, i believe that the right to safe passage on public roads, and to set an example, teach a way, of simple living that is rich in lifestyle is fundamental.

    of all things in our society...
    what is more efficient?
    the way we live our lives is our greatest statement.


    my heart goes out to Daniel Vasquez and family.

    peace...d


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    AAArrggh!

    So so sad...

    I've read so many of these stories over the years and each one is more tragic than the last.

    best wishes to Daniel's family.

    keep pedalling all.

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    Wow.
    Condolences to the Vasquez family.

    I've sent a note to Terry Spitz in support of justice.

    Contact info for Chief Assistant District Attorney Terry Spitz
    Phone: (831) 755-5070
    Fax: (831) 755-5068
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    it is sad.

    you know the thing is so crazy
    that is...
    how many fatalities have there been now?
    and how can "Average Joe" voice their concern?
    where do we send emails?

    I've posted this thru VCM (Velo Club Monterey) of which i've been a longtime member, and there is TAMC (transportation agency of monterey county)

    but come on...
    there has to be a more expedient method
    somehow that cyclists can raise their collective voices

    we all have crazy work schedules, etc
    and it seems that the internet is the best method to speak out

    as cyclists i can see that more of us would reduce or completely divorce our cars if possible.
    but when the fatality rate, and safety factor is as it seems...
    my goosh...
    that pretty much says it

    do we have to buy into Cold War tactics just to get to work
    that is...
    to be safe we all are in a race to buy the next bigger, heavier, safer vehicle
    and what happens?
    bigger cars,more gas, higher costs...
    and we work more and more just to pay our way thru daily life

    this is sad, and i dont want to deter from tragedy
    but there is more to this, right?
    i mean...how can we safely go for a bike ride?
    and i honestly believe that the bike can make a huge social impact
    we just need the infrastructure to do so
    and we need the personal safety

    who is it that does all those crash test dummy studies...
    all those studies on what cars are safest, etc

    as cyclists, we need that kind of attention devoted to a cycling viable lifestyle.
    the USA has an amazing oportunity to boast a social model

    peace...d

    that poor guy...
    Daniel Vasquez
    i ride in that area often, and i'll think of him every time.

    Amgen Tour of California will go right past this spot.
    again...mega sport
    i wonder if they'd take a moment in silence?
    as it is...
    the stage is Neutral until Rio Rd, which is just maybe 5 miles north of that spot.
    only if the Sport industry of cycling would take recognition.

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    here is a link i found in regards to the last memorial that was held here Monterey
    http://www.topix.net/content/kri/241...9KO59S941659M3
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    "Authorities are holding Charles Seaborn, 52, on suspicion of felony drunken driving and manslaughter after they said they found blood and bicycle fragments on his 2003 Range Rover in Yankee Point."

    I'm sure he needed his massive SUV to battle the harsh environs of the Carmel Highlands. That thing probably never saw a dirt road. But hey, you gotta have an SUV right? They're SO much safer than a little car. Really sad story.

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    David Bowie I'm Afraid of Americans


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    Daniel Vasques

    this is todays news:

    http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/mo...l/16738758.htm
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    Seaborn

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    appreciate the update....keep'em coming...even though it turns my stomach
    Visit these 2 places to help advance trail access:
    http://www.sharingthepct.org/
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    slow wheels eventually turn...


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    wow...
    thank you for the post
    i still cant believe it
    people are so crazy

    now here i am, recently moved back to Ventura, Ca
    and im just amazed at the "lack of community"
    people zooming around in their cars, and breakneck speeds
    isolated behind steel and glass
    encapsulated in cars
    not as much as a hello
    or anything....nothing
    cars

    recently i've been taking the MetroLink train from here in Ventura (Montalvo station) down to LA Union Station. a big part of the experience, is the opportunity to say "good morning" to each other.

    again...thanks for the post.
    i shot it across VCM (Velo Club Monterey) via e-mail.
    the world is a crazy place
    and when we act carelessly
    when we impact each others lives in a negative way
    that is sad.

    peace...d

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    "Investigators found Vasquez's bicycle at Seaborn's Yankee Point home and discovered evidence of a recent collision on his Range Rover."

    Not guilty? Right...

    Part of the problem is the fact that there are no serious repercussions for drunk driving. Oh no, they suspend your license for six-months. You do 20 hours of community service and write a letter saying 'I'm sorry. I won't do it ever again. I promise.' You pay $20/month more to insure your Land Rover.

    You have to kill someone to be considered a 'bad guy.' It's disgusting.

    Hell, this guy is case in point. " Charles Seaborn already faced two counts of felony hit-and-run and two counts of causing great bodily injury while driving under the influence." AND YET HE WAS STILL ON THE ROAD?!

    The first offense for drunk driving should be permanent revocation of driving privileges.
    The second, a bullet to the brain. In this case, the right person dies.


    Must've been on his way home from the bar.... Judging by the location of his house, I'm sure he'll be able to buy his way out of it.

    This pisses me off.


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    ya its crazy huh?

    the world blows my mind

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    Wow!

    Quote Originally Posted by slowroadie
    Let me add this up:

    Vasquez's body on the side of the road
    Seaborn's Range Rover in the driveway with evidence of hitting a cyclist
    Seaborn thinks he might have hit something

    ... and the kicker... wait for it....

    Seaborn had Vasquez's mangled bike in the garage?

    *BZZZZZT!!!!*

    Uh, hard to plead ignorance on that one.

    Guilty!!!

    I'm all for due process and all, but dang! Dude might as well been like Jeffrey Dahlmer with a frickin head in the freezer.

    It just pisses me off that folks think of their own skin to the point of exclusion of all else. If he would have stopped to help, I wonder if Vasquez might still be alive.
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    I think he probably did stop. How else did the bike make it into his garage? Doesn't make me think too highly of Mr. Seaborn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdubsl2
    Hell, this guy is case in point. " Charles Seaborn already faced two counts of felony hit-and-run and two counts of causing great bodily injury while driving under the influence." AND YET HE WAS STILL ON THE ROAD?!
    I think you're missing some of the context. The links at the top of this thread don't work any more, but the first four counts are the initial charges lodged at the arrignment back in February about this same accident. This latest count has been added to the charges all for the same accident.

    I think it's great that the DA is trying to throw the book at this guy for this offense, no matter what his history. Vasquez shouldn't be dead, and if it's Seaborn's fault (as the evidence appears to say) then he should see a long sentence.

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    Devo,

    Thanks for your post. It's one that speaks so very well for me. You touched on the many thoughts I also have about not only the bike, but our society. I truly wish there were more like you and those in this forum.

    As I have watched, I can say that there is even more to add to what you said. But it would be a book in length. But if I could add one thing it would be this. What we have done is to speed up our entire society. The car is like a time machine in that sense. I had this conversation with someone today. How the bike is mechanized, yet it is still reasonable in that it is an extension of the body. It is a link from the older world. It's that sped up part that has destroyed our communities, killed innocent people like the sad story, in this case. It has ramifications that extend to foreign relations.

    I see significant improvement to many parts of our society through the elimination of the car. But that's just about treasonous to say. Instead all I can do is mourn another lost soul. Another roadkill, if you don't mind. A tragic and useless and offensive loss.

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    This is all so sad. My heart goes out to Daniel and his family Every year it seems more and more people are getting hit. It scares the crap out of me. This is the exact reason I don't ride my bike on the road. Call me part of the sped up society, but I'd rather get hit in my car than on my bike. It shouldn't be this way. An avid cyclist that loves riding his bike, but is too scared to ride it 15 miles to work? I should be able to ride anywhere I want. But right now, it's safer for me to ride illegal trails than on the road.

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    all very good points
    and my heart goes out to the Vasquez family

    as a cyclist, when i lived in Monterey/Pacific Grove
    i became very much aware of the "sport" of cycling
    as well as the "utility" of bicycles
    as transportation, the bicycle has legal rights to the roadways
    of course there are serious safety factors to be mindful of

    bicycles as sport, are quick to be placed in Sporting Venues
    as long as we reinforce the ideology, that is where bicycles will go
    Athletes at sporting arenas competing, for marketings sake
    so beware of our actions

    bicycles as transport, have a huge implication to our society
    the avid cyclists that we are, we see this

    but for the majority of our Pop Americana society
    the bicycle is still a toy, sold in dept stores next to frisbees, and lawn darts

    as a by stander it is easy for me say that we need to keep on the bike
    and as legal citizens, we need to voice ourselves
    and as cyclists we need to be safe, and ride our bikes
    ride bikes in a way that is beneficial to our society

    again...to the Vasquez family...my heart sincerely goes out.

    peace, love and light
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    Case Information

    I haven't seen anything in the news about this recently, so I thought I'd try looking for it through the public court calendar, here's what I found and where to keep an eye on it.

    Monterey Superior Court public information about cases is here:

    https://www.justicepartners.monterey...JPDefault.aspx

    Once there, select "Index Search".

    On the index page, use the "Division" pulldown menu to select "Criminal".
    In the case number field, enter SS070949A and hit the SEARCH button.

    Currently it looks like Mr Seaborn will be in court again on April 23rd and April 25th.

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    So sad to see.

    It makes me wonder how many people die per capita who drive compared to ride bikes?

    ie. dead drivers/drivers and dead riders/riders.

    Just wondering if it is more dangerous to ride or drive.

    Regardless drivers really need to be trained to see peds, bike riders, and motor cycle riders. We are invisible to most of them.
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    wow!

    that is awesome information.

    thank you very much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowroadie
    Currently it looks like Mr Seaborn will be in court again on April 23rd and April 25th.
    Using the court case information above, i looked up this case again, and it looks like Mr Seaborn changed his plea on April 25th. The next court date is June 25th. These are the last two entries on the calendar for this case:

    "Change of Plea or Setting 4/25/2008 10:00:00 Courtroom 03"
    "Arraignment: Information 6/25/2008 08:30:00 Courtroom 03"

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    so strange...
    as it was that i just returned from a 5 day trip to Big Sur and down to Kirk Creek...
    along Carmel Highlands, Daniel was in my thoughts...
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