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    Got a GoPro 3 for xmas, now what?

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    I got the gopro 3 silver for christmas, yay!

    So now I need to get a micro sd card and various mounting options.

    Any suggestions? Is a 32gig sandisk micro SD card big/fast enough?

    I'd like to get a helmet mount, handlebar / seatpost mount, and maybe a chest mount.

    Any suggestions? Is Gopro the only one who makes them, or are there better/cheaper options.

    Thanks!

    p.s. can someone make me into a really good rider so that my videos are somewhat interesting?
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    Nice!

    Depending on the resolution... The clips can get pretty big. I got a good deal at BH Photo on a 64G card for mine. I think it was 40-50% off on cyber Monday. Look online... I am sure there will be some deals this week.

    Not sure about mounts by other companies... I have the Chesty and the bar mount. I use the bar mount on my fork upper. A little shakey at times, but cool video perspective. The chest mount takes a bit of adjustment to get right. I have a few clips of my topcap, since I did not have it tipped up enough.

    Also check online and see if you need a firmware update. Mine needed one out of the box and another to get the IOS app to work. (You need a memory card to update the firmware.)
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    turn on GoPro
    hand your beer to friend and say, "watch this"
    upload results to MTBR
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    Chest mount gives the best results. Now go do something extreeeeme.
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    If you want to use all of the features including 1/2 second timelapse, make sure to get a class 10 card.

    16gb will last about as long as a battery in 720 x 60fps (very general estimate) so 32gb will give you some extra room. 64gb prob only critical if you have battery bacpac or multiple batteries with no time in between to offload videos plus you might find better deals on the 32 vs 64.

    The main go to mounts for me and the bike are helmet and chesty. Other spots end up being shaky unless just used for quick filler shots. Experiment quite a bit with the positions before actually shooting your "best" runs as the chesty can take some tweaking to get the right angle. Best to mount it upside down in the chest mount and point it up/higher than you think especially on steeper downhill trails.
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    For the chest mount, tape a piece of foam behind it to get the right angle. Cohenfive got me a piece of foam about 1" thick, and that did the trick.
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    On chesty, I mount upside down and use 2 fingers as a spacer. That will give you a good angle.

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    Film yourself pooping?

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    Same boat. I got the drift hd and now need micro sd card. Wifey went with the helmet mounting kit. Can't wait to test it out.
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    Warning: editing those videos takes a pretty powerful computer or a lot of time.

    If you use the helmet mount, make sure your helmet fits tightly and the mount is very tight to the helmet. Also, don't look around. Quick turning of your head makes the video really annoying. Focus on looking forward.

    I never really liked the helmet perspective. I like the chest mount, but you have to run the strap really tight to keep it from shaking excessively.

    I put the roll bar mount on the down tube facing forward for an interesting and fairly solid perspective.

    Have fun.

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    So do bikers use the strap helmet mount, or the adhesive mount?
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    Quote Originally Posted by icantdrive65 View Post
    Warning: editing those videos takes a pretty powerful computer or a lot of time.
    How powerful is "powerful" in your opinion?

    Would a Macbook Pro Retina 13" be any good, or ??


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    The 2009 Macbook Pro I use (2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 duo) struggles to smoothly play 1080p .mov during editing. It stutters at startup and at any transitions you add between clips. 720p never has any issues. Once the movie is done, converting it with Handbrake back to .mp4 makes it so the computer can play it smoothly again.

    Video editing is one of the primary uses for my computer now and it will likely be the top reason I upgrade, soon, to make it less frustrating. I'll probably take an SD card with some raw video into a Genius store and see how well the editing process runs on the latest generation of hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somanygoodbikes View Post
    The 2009 Macbook Pro I use (2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 duo) struggles to smoothly play 1080p .mov during editing. It stutters at startup and at any transitions you add between clips. 720p never has any issues. Once the movie is done, converting it with Handbrake back to .mp4 makes it so the computer can play it smoothly again.

    Video editing is one of the primary uses for my computer now and it will likely be the top reason I upgrade, soon, to make it less frustrating. I'll probably take an SD card with some raw video into a Genius store and see how well the editing process runs on the latest generation of hardware.
    Please report back your findings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by icantdrive65 View Post
    Warning: editing those videos takes a pretty powerful computer or a lot of time.

    If you use the helmet mount, make sure your helmet fits tightly and the mount is very tight to the helmet. Also, don't look around. Quick turning of your head makes the video really annoying. Focus on looking forward.

    I never really liked the helmet perspective. I like the chest mount, but you have to run the strap really tight to keep it from shaking excessively.

    I put the roll bar mount on the down tube facing forward for an interesting and fairly solid perspective.

    Have fun.
    I had a 2008 Mac Powerbook (not pro, the plastic one) and it took a while to import the vid clips from my 808HD camera over USB2 (about an hour or two for 12Gb of clips). But, once it was in it edited up in iMovie pretty quickly.

    Quote Originally Posted by GuruAtma View Post
    So do bikers use the strap helmet mount, or the adhesive mount?
    THe GoPro3 probably has a properly engineered mount. A regular camera threaded mount is a 1/4-20 thread. I took an old helmet when I was messing with my point and shoot digital camera as a helmet cam, and I made a long combination of nuts, bolts and big washers to make a mount through an old helmet. It was solid as heck.

    The 808HD camera I use is so tiny and light, I just stuck to my helmet with velcro. It's about the size of a keyless car lock fob.

    Adhesive Velcro will come unglued on really hot days. I actually have a safety string on there so if it comes lose, it won't lose it.

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    Like others have said. Make sure to get a class 10 card so that your able to use all the features of your new camera. A 32 card should be plenty, I have a 64 class 10 and come no where close to filling it and that was with around 6 hours of 60fps video.
    Try out the different resolution settings. I found I like 16.9 resolutions for chest mount and lower. 4.3 resolution for helmet mounts. The 4.3 resolution is nice for helmet mounted video because it gives a much taller screen shot making it easier to capture the trail in front of the bike with out having to have the camera pointed to far down. Enjoy your new camera.

    Heres my favorite mount,


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    prepare for every awesome corner, berm, jump, drop, and rock garden you love to ride to look weak as hell when you watch it. Unless you're that joebmx guy and seemingly ride whistler every week.

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    "Santa" brought the boys a Contour. Tested it out on stagecoach before the rain started. Pretty cool. Have to ride danger close and keep your head pointed at the rider and focus in riding stable and smooth.

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    Anybody having issues updating there hero 3 off gopro's website??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Magura View Post
    How powerful is "powerful" in your opinion?

    Would a Macbook Pro Retina 13" be any good, or ??


    Magura
    Well, I'm using my i7 quad-core 2.67 GHz laptop and I'm amazed at how long it takes to process 720p 60 fps videos for editing in Windows Movie Maker. It's not too bad for a 5-minute clip, but it seems like a slower computer would really take some time.

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    Show the trail

    Show the trail. Lately everybody is showing mostly knees and handlebars, so all the videos look the same. The chest mount is lame. And you really do have to tailgate if someone is in front of you. Finally, do not compress too much or no matter what you "film" will look terrible.

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    And please edit out the beginning were everyone stares at the camera as they turn it on. You don't have to prove that it's you. We will believe it's you.

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    Just got a GoPro 2! Subscribed for more suggestions.

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    Cable Cam Time!!
    Cept' I gotta do sumthin bout the camera swinging.
    I'm tryin...

    Banned for showing Boobies.

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    Cable cam powered by gravity? Brilliant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kYLEMtnCRUZr View Post
    Cable cam powered by gravity? Brilliant!
    Takes forever to set up by yourself though.
    Just started trying it.
    I'm gonna make it better/smoother.
    Carrying cables and gear a PITA.
    Gonna perfect it though.
    I like the way it looks when it works.
    Wanna try a low to the ground angle next.
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    Got the Hero3 today too. The wife got me an extra battery and a bunch of extra mounts (thanks honey). I'm stoked to try it out, but gotta pick up an SD card tomorrow. Hopefully I can find a mounting spot and resolution that doesn't make everything look 1/2 as hard as it was in real life. I've got a pretty cushy FS 29er, so I'm going to give the handlebar / fork / frame mount a try.

    The features on this thing are nuts. Looks like you can mount it on your buddy's bike, then monitor it on your IPhone (hey bro, point it up a little higher. Perfect, thanks.) Nice toy, and it's going to take some time to figure out how to use it to the fullest.

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    Buy a new huge hard drive. Now buy another new huge hard drive. Back up your footage to multiple hard drives often. If your footage is not on at least two hard drives, it doesn't really exist.

    Tell stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Anybody having issues updating there hero 3 off gopro's website??
    Their host is having trouble. Their Facebook page has a more detailed explanation.
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    It's all about mounting on non-steering points and good post production. All film making basics apply: rules of thirds, depth of field, shooting from the hip, etc. You can buy all the doo-dads and tech stuff, but lack of basic film making will make for a boring video. Good, solid, raw footage is key.

    Also, learn how to edit really well - but even the best editing programs like Final Cut Pro will do no good without great raw footage. Learn about compression and output, you will loose a lot of quality when you publish if you're not keen on that - sometimes the videos come out "grey" in color. Mornings and evenings are the best time to shoot, unless you're going for a specific "feel" - like today would be a great day to do a B&W project.

    I've been making riding videos for the last 10 years back when we were using bullet cameras and video tape (on motorcycles). I was making BMX videos in 1990 with big shoulder mount VHS cameras and tape-to-tape editing bays.

    No matter what you're doing, remember that even with a riding video, you're trying to convey a mood... a feeling... you can create suspense, drama, comedy, etc. even with mountain biking. Basics, like high contrast and fast cuts to project a feeling of action versus muted contrast and slow cross dissolves to project a feeling of calmness... some points to be aware of.

    A lot of people just mount it on the stem, helmet or chest (my least favorite spots to mount), edit it with a few cross dissolves, and lay their favorite music on it with no native sound. Although there's nothing wrong with that - anybody can do that.

    Good luck!

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    I was making BMX videos in 1990 with big shoulder mount VHS cameras and tape-to-tape editing bays.
    Nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fgiraffe View Post
    Nice!
    This is what I used back then


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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg View Post
    For the chest mount, tape a piece of foam behind it to get the right angle. Cohenfive got me a piece of foam about 1" thick, and that did the trick.
    bill, i'd be happy to get you a piece of foam as well...

    great gift, i have one of the older models but it is still a ton of fun to use...also can go underwater in case you fall off into a stream or something!

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    You should do an on-line class or something about this. I've seen lots of POV videos that I skip through because they end up kind of boring after a minute or so. But a few are well done--basically because of the reasons you list.

    It'd be great to see some good (and bad) examples of videos with spoken or caption commentary at important parts.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    It's all about mounting on non-steering points and good post production. All film making basics apply: rules of thirds, depth of field, shooting from the hip, etc. You can buy all the doo-dads and tech stuff, but lack of basic film making will make for a boring video. Good, solid, raw footage is key.

    Also, learn how to edit really well - but even the best editing programs like Final Cut Pro will do no good without great raw footage. Learn about compression and output, you will loose a lot of quality when you publish if you're not keen on that - sometimes the videos come out "grey" in color. Mornings and evenings are the best time to shoot, unless you're going for a specific "feel" - like today would be a great day to do a B&W project.

    I've been making riding videos for the last 10 years back when we were using bullet cameras and video tape (on motorcycles). I was making BMX videos in 1990 with big shoulder mount VHS cameras and tape-to-tape editing bays.

    No matter what you're doing, remember that even with a riding video, you're trying to convey a mood... a feeling... you can create suspense, drama, comedy, etc. even with mountain biking. Basics, like high contrast and fast cuts to project a feeling of action versus muted contrast and slow cross dissolves to project a feeling of calmness... some points to be aware of.

    A lot of people just mount it on the stem, helmet or chest (my least favorite spots to mount), edit it with a few cross dissolves, and lay their favorite music on it with no native sound. Although there's nothing wrong with that - anybody can do that.

    Good luck!
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    Shot some helmet cam footage with the Kid's new Contour 2+ on Christmas Day. You have to get REALLY close to fill the frame with the rider. The camera man also has to be very disciplined about keeping their core still and keep their focus on the other rider instead of the trail in front of them. Also, with the helmet mount, the high camera positon destroys your sense of the slope of the trail.

    Lots of technical challenges with this kind of work. You can really see how this is the kind of thing where you shoot hours to get seconds of truly usable footage.

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    I either use the chest mount with the camera mounted upside down to get the angle right, the camera has a setting to deal with this, or mounted to the side of my full face with a few connectors. Either way I put a small piece of duct tape in the bed of the mount to tighten up the connection and to avoid the dreaded woodpecker sound effect of a loose mount.

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    Hey NorCal,

    I just picked up a GoPro 3 black today. I've never owned one of these cameras before. So I'm just searching the forum to see how others are using, abusing, and having fun with their GP's.

    I figured I just stop in and say "Hi" since I was in the area.

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    My favorite mount is this one. I like to mount it underneath the downtube, on a fork leg, etc. I've also mounted it on a 5ft. pole to use it as a boom for overhead shots of riding and to follow somebody. I have a dowel with a cart wheel at the bottom where I can roll my camera around very low (good for urban/BMX/trials).



    I was using this mount before I ever got a GoPro. It's a universal mount using a simple c-clamp style system. I got a GoPro tripod adapter for this, but I broke this in Demo.

    I used to mount this on foot pegs for BMX videos, and back when I had a bullet cam, I also used this on motorcycles.



    The other mounts that I have in mind need to be custom made. I want to make boom mounts so that I can mount with a 2ft. extension above me (of course, this won't work on some trails). I also want to make a boom mount that will face me and show at least two riders behind me. This will require some sort of extender, as well. Or, one to extend behind me on the lower end of the bike.

    So, I am trying to design a universal mount extension boom at will extend 2-3ft. anywhere. Vibration will be an issue, though, so I may have to go with something shorter. What's great about the GoPro is the wide angle 1080 has such great peripheral.

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    anybody here use the chest mount? how does that work for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazukea View Post
    anybody here use the chest mount? how does that work for you?
    No, no one here uses that, it's awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    No, no one here uses that, it's awful.
    what do you use?
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    Another New GoPro user...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazukea View Post
    anybody here use the chest mount? how does that work for you?
    I use it sometimes. I have it cinched down really tight to reduce shaking. It's still too shaky for full-screen viewing.
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    You know, I hate to say it, but the solution is gyro stabilization, which is heavy and complicated.

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    These two videos I did using a bullet cam and a 8mm camcorder. The first rider is AMA Superstar Elena Myers on a SuperMoto at Stockton Motorplex (#21). I believe she was 12 yrs. old in this video.

    I even think NuckingFutz is in this video.

    I had to use a video capture card and digitize - this killed the quality.



    This is using the c-clamp style mount with a regular digital camera (Canon point and shoot). Didn't have 1080p, but it worked for what we needed it for. You see me crash in the end.



    I made this the same way. This was my first MTB video. Still, no GoPro yet.



    This is my most recent projects in order that they were made:





    My latest - messing with different camera mounting spots and iMovie. The GoPro even picked up the sweat dripping from my forehead!



    I am thoroughly impressed with the GoProHD2. I'm sure the 3 is even better. It handles slow-motion really well considering it's the "wrong" way to do true slow motion, and the quality handles compression very well if you use the right codec.

    I've considered buy Final Cut Pro, but for what I do, iMovie works fine, although a bit limited. I miss having Abode After Effects as a motion graphics program.
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    The chest mount is my favorite. The real issue is that to make an interesting movie you have to spend an inordinate amount of time playing with the camera, the angle, etc. Then, it takes even more time doing to edit the movie. Basically,it's a giant time suck, but a fun one.
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    What is the best software to edit videos

    What do you use to edit your GoPro clips? Something really easy to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morozka1 View Post
    What do you use to edit your GoPro clips? Something really easy to use.
    I use iMovie. But Final Cut Pro would be the ultimate.

    I used to edit everything on a PC with Adobe Premiere and used Adobe After Effects (with Illustrator and Photoshop) to create my motion graphics. That's what I'm really missing - but when I switched to Mac, the software was a bit pricey.

    I still make my graphics in Illustrator, rasterize them in Photoshop and import. Text feature in iMovie isn't bad, although limited.

    Timed transitions with music is a little tricky with iMovie and takes a lot of patience to get it down so it looks decent.

    I know it sounds really geeky, but I want to do a short, independent documentary about MTB's in Santa Teresa County Park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morozka1 View Post
    What do you use to edit your GoPro clips? Something really easy to use.
    I found avs4you to be pretty intuitive, once you make your first one you can create a video pretty quickly. Its fairly cheap and you can download a trail version to try it out.

    AVS Video Editor: perfect for home video editing. Edit video easily!
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    @Dion
    I just got a MacBook pro so I will try IMovie
    Also for some reason my footage is always blury. I can't figure out how to clean it up. The screen is clean and I think its just setting on the gopro unit itself.

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    Here's a vid I got from Ibis of a Gopro attached to a pole and helmet. Seems very smooth:

    from Andrew Whiteford on Vimeo.

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    This is actually a video I did for one of my rides. All my videos seem blury but I am using Hero2 though. Shouldn't be much of a difference in the viewing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuruAtma View Post
    Here's a vid I got from Ibis of a Gopro attached to a pole and helmet.
    That's what I want!

    Blurry videos:

    1. Do you still have the underwater case on? That is an extra "bubble" over the lens that will produce a blurry video.

    2. Uploading to YouTube. I'm over them. Their compression is too much and they ding you on music use.

    3. Codecs and compression. Output to the highest quality, always. You will have to experiment what works for you, but I find MP4 is very nice.

    4. Vimeo FTW! YouTube can suck it!

    5. Lighting. Low light days with minimal contrast will always be a little iffy. But the GoPro on 1080HD will handle lower lighting just fine.

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    Dion Thank you will play around. Appreciate all the feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morozka1 View Post
    @Dion
    I just got a MacBook pro so I will try IMovie
    Also for some reason my footage is always blury. I can't figure out how to clean it up. The screen is clean and I think its just setting on the gopro unit itself.
    I have found that going to 60 frames per second gave me better results. On the Hero2 you only get 60fps in 720p.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg View Post
    Then, it takes even more time doing to edit the movie. Basically,it's a giant time suck, but a fun one.
    True statement here!

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    Oh, for you PC users, Windows Movie Maker is good. I used that to edit videos 2 and 3 in my post above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Oh, for you PC users, Windows Movie Maker is good. I used that to edit videos 2 and 3 in my post above.
    True, even if it can crash right before saving your edits that you've just spent 2 hours working on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post

    5. Lighting. Low light days with minimal contrast will always be a little iffy. But the GoPro on 1080HD will handle lower lighting just fine.
    This. Because these things have auto iris they are absolutely crap in any kind of contrasty type environs (in and out of tress and shade on a sunny day). Think foggy days under the canopy or golden hour under a fully exposed trail for good results. Dion's other tips are great as well. In addition, since you can't change focal length, think about getting the camera off the bike and incorporating as many different angles as you can (on the ground as tires roll past, high in a tree angled down, etc.) Personally, I actually like the chest mount pov if you're by yourself. To me the helmet pov gives no perspective and sorta smooths everything out to the point that it's boring to watch. Also, agree with Dion about vimeo vs. youtube although vimeo technically has the same rules with regards to music. Oh yeah, almost forgot, please no more hair metal soundtracks.

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    You'll have a lot of fun trying out different mountain angles.

    I tried the handlebar mount out front:

    Skeggs Blue Blossom 9 3 12 - YouTube

    And a custom mount I made attached to the downtube:

    Skeggs/ECDM Resolution Trail - GoPro HD Hero 2 frame mount - YouTube

    I also tried the helmet mount on top of the helmet, but the video was boring (everything looks slow and really smooth), and I crashed because of the distraction.

    I've found the lower to the ground the better. A fork mount would be great. The best videos mix perspective with normal footage (such as mounting the GoPro to a tripod low on the trail), but of course if you're filming yourself, that would take all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuruAtma View Post
    Here's a vid I got from Ibis of a Gopro attached to a pole and helmet. Seems very smooth:

    from Andrew Whiteford on Vimeo.

    any pics or links to the pole set up? that looks great.. very smooth.. and your riding ain't too shabby either.. very smooth as well.

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    Don't post videos of hush trails on youtube

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpmffitz View Post
    Don't post videos of hush trails on youtube
    What is a hush trail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    That's what I want!

    Blurry videos:

    1. Do you still have the underwater case on? That is an extra "bubble" over the lens that will produce a blurry video.

    2. Uploading to YouTube. I'm over them. Their compression is too much and they ding you on music use.

    3. Codecs and compression. Output to the highest quality, always. You will have to experiment what works for you, but I find MP4 is very nice.

    4. Vimeo FTW! YouTube can suck it!

    5. Lighting. Low light days with minimal contrast will always be a little iffy. But the GoPro on 1080HD will handle lower lighting just fine.
    Dion, what resolution would you recommend setting the GoPro Hero 3 to while filming MTN biking videos riding single track? Mostly in shaded woods with the occasional sunny spots. The Hero 3 has 4k cin, 4k, 2.7cin, 2.7, 1440, 1080, 960,720. Also, what about FPS? Should I go with 60,48,30, or 24? I've got an new imac on its way, so hopefully my computer will be able to handle any of these settings. As you can see, I'm new to this and want to be able to edit through imovie as best as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    That's what I want!

    Blurry videos:

    1. Do you still have the underwater case on? That is an extra "bubble" over the lens that will produce a blurry video.

    2. Uploading to YouTube. I'm over them. Their compression is too much and they ding you on music use.

    3. Codecs and compression. Output to the highest quality, always. You will have to experiment what works for you, but I find MP4 is very nice.

    4. Vimeo FTW! YouTube can suck it!

    5. Lighting. Low light days with minimal contrast will always be a little iffy. But the GoPro on 1080HD will handle lower lighting just fine.
    Yeah You Toob sucks now cause theres no way to find out if the song your using is allowed till AFTER youve done all the work on your movie.

    I have A Vimeo acct. but does anyone know what their deal with copyright songs are?
    Seems like there should be a resource where you can check to see if your music selection is ok to use BEFORE you do all the friggin work on your movie.
    Banned for showing Boobies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg View Post
    True, even if it can crash right before saving your edits that you've just spent 2 hours working on...
    Before I figured out iMovie, I tried to edit a video on Movie Maker on my work laptop - FAIL!!!! It crashed constantly. On my PC desktop, not so much.

    But, the real issue I had with Movie Maker was codec compatibility. Movie Maker would not recognize the MP4 raw files GoPro puts out, even with the latest codec pack. So, what I was forced to do, was go through a long, awful process of converting to super hi-resolution .AVI files, which were not only worse in quality, but double to triple the size of the MP4's.

    iMovie reads the raw MP4 files without issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by bcr42 View Post
    Dion, what resolution would you recommend setting the GoPro Hero 3 to while filming MTN biking videos riding single track? Mostly in shaded woods with the occasional sunny spots. The Hero 3 has 4k cin, 4k, 2.7cin, 2.7, 1440, 1080, 960,720. Also, what about FPS? Should I go with 60,48,30, or 24? I've got an new imac on its way, so hopefully my computer will be able to handle any of these settings. As you can see, I'm new to this and want to be able to edit through imovie as best as possible.
    I also had the same Q's so I went online to see what the tech nerds were saying. My first few "experiments" didn't come out very well - I also had blurry issues and compression issues that left a lot of artifacts and pixelation. Also, I removed the underwater seal thingy, and that made things much better!

    Since I have a GoPro2HD, I don't have as many settings, so I go with the highest setting possible - and that's 1080 - 30fps. 1080 is widescreen, as well, so you will be able to pick up the peripheral better, and you'll get that "fish eye" look. WVGA - 60 is a lower quality video.

    FPS is "frames per second" and, unless you are going to do only slow motion, fps, by the naked eye and for most enthusiasts purposes, is a non-issue. I actually like the look of digital slow motion with 30fps, from a creative point of view. If you are going to shoot videos with no intent of doing any slow motion, shoot in 30fps.

    On my last video of me riding STCP on my On-One 456, @ 2:33 I do an edit that goes from 300% sped up - to 25% slowed down - to 300% sped up - to normal speed, in a 5 second time lapse. I thought that it turned out kinda cool.

    So, if you want the highest quality, go 1080. That is HD. Unfortunately, you will have larger file sizes. It sucks somebody has to get through all this technical stuff - I just want to make cool artistic videos.

    When I was editing on VHS, there was always issue when going from tape-to-tape when it came to quality. The further you got away from the raw tape (original footage), the worst quality became. It's like finding old pornos where somebody did a recording of a recording of a recording. Try to publish/render with the least amount of compression possible, or the best compression codec available at the highest quality (1080). When you upload, to say, Vimeo, your video will nearly be raw, and your video will be a much higher quality. When you start messing with heavy compression, you have smaller files, but the quality is lost.

    I've had thoughts of shooting things on 8mm film for off the bike. NO digital filter can replicate that! I also want to do a complete edit with only my iPhone - which, with some experimenting, I was able to capture some very dramatic depth of field.

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    Thanks Dion. Would you say that anything over 1080 is overkill for what I'm wanting to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcr42 View Post
    Thanks Dion. Would you say that anything over 1080 is overkill for what I'm wanting to do?
    1080 16:9 is the biggest you can go with GoPro (so far).

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    Ok, what's up with iMovie. I've done everything but get in my knees and beg to get my clips into the editing space. I've tried dragging, importing, exporting, rearranging directories. Nothing. iMovie has to be the least intuitive apple product I've ever seen. Help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphic View Post
    Ok, what's up with iMovie. I've done everything but get in my knees and beg to get my clips into the editing space. I've tried dragging, importing, exporting, rearranging directories. Nothing. iMovie has to be the least intuitive apple product I've ever seen. Help!
    I felt that way, but I got it DOWN now! I can't go into it... it's a bit much. There are some very good tutorials online. Just search!

    Helped me a ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphic View Post
    Ok, what's up with iMovie. I've done everything but get in my knees and beg to get my clips into the editing space. I've tried dragging, importing, exporting, rearranging directories. Nothing. iMovie has to be the least intuitive apple product I've ever seen. Help!
    This helped me ALOT!
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tuto...16624070?mt=12
    Best $5 Ive spent yet .
    Imovie is good but learning curve is slow.
    At least to me.
    But after watching these tutorials I get it now.
    Just gotta practice more.
    Making movies is fun but way too time consuming.
    Like I said earlier, the whole process takes time and when you download to YOU Boob and then they reject your movie because of song copyright infringement, it then becomes a waste of time.
    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    But, the real issue I had with Movie Maker was codec compatibility. Movie Maker would not recognize the MP4 raw files GoPro puts out, even with the latest codec pack. So, what I was forced to do, was go through a long, awful process of converting to super hi-resolution .AVI files, which were not only worse in quality, but double to triple the size of the MP4's.

    iMovie reads the raw MP4 files without issue.
    If you have Windows 7 or 8 and Windows Live Movie Maker 2011 or 2012 (not the old Windows Movie Maker that came with XP or Vista), you can edit the .mp4 files from the GoPro and the .mov files from the Contour without having to do any lossy or time-consuming conversions first.

    I've been using WLMM 2011 on my Windows 7 desktop for almost a year now, and it works flawlessly. I save my work after every edit, so that's usually every few minutes. So far I've never lost all my work due to a crash.

    I record in WVGA 848x480 60fps to save space. I'm not trying to make money with my videos, so I really couldn't care less about making a professional production. I like to relive my rides, and other people like to see them too.

    Even though I record in WVGA mode, it still looks fine on YouTube. In fact, one of my subscribers who uploads in HD wanted to know why my videos looked better than his (his words).

    I refuse to put music over my videos. I prefer to hear the sounds of a real bike ride. I like the commentary from other riders and hikers, which can be funny at times. I also like to hear the bike sounds, nature sounds, and my suffering on climbs. I love climbing!

    I have some bouncing when using the chest mount, but that's because I'm a female cyclist .

    Here's one of my videos shot with the chest mount. Be forewarned, there's plenty of audible breathing on the climbs!

    Flood Road Trail, Mossy Rock Trail MTB ride (Auburn, CA) 11-27-12 - YouTube

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    Put the GoPro w/chest strap on my dog:

    功夫大师喜欢骑着他的自行车在山上。

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuruAtma View Post
    Put the GoPro w/chest strap on my dog:

    Tried mounting my contour on the dog. The mount is too lot to her back so her head fills up the shot. Also there's too much side side movement when she walks. Have to do some more thinking on this.

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    My ride from yesterday.

    Did a loop at Santa Teresa County Park the first day after it re-opened due to muddy conditions. It was still slick out there, and the dirt didn't climb very well... but it was a ride. Sorry for the bumpiness - now you can recall what it was like to ride an old, steel MTB!

    Bike: 1986 Specialized Rockhopper Comp (Rigid) 1X9
    Camera: GoPro2 HD
    Ride: 19 miles; 2,500'

    Not too impressed with the final output. I wasn't able to squeeze in under 500mb with HD (due to length), so I had to compress more than I liked. There are some non-HD artifacts on this vid, so I'm uploading to BoobYou right now with a 3GB file to see if I can get better resolution.

    EDIT: Uploaded to BoobYoob. Watch it in HD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    These two videos I did using a bullet cam and a 8mm camcorder. The first rider is AMA Superstar Elena Myers on a SuperMoto at Stockton Motorplex (#21). I believe she was 12 yrs. old in this video.

    I even think NuckingFutz is in this video.

    I had to use a video capture card and digitize - this killed the quality.

    HAHA!! Good eye, that's me at 2:07 on the pipe! Good times!!!

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    I did a ride at Annadel with the chest mount. Added bonus of the chest mount: it's a poor-man's heart rate monitor. You can hear my heart beating pretty clearly
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    Quote Originally Posted by NuckingFuts View Post
    HAHA!! Good eye, that's me at 2:07 on the pipe! Good times!!!
    F*CK! We all were on it that day! You were really hauling a$$!

    I can't believe Matt let us get away with all those wheelies and stunts.

    That place will be legendary.

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    Got my Silver Hero3, and while the camera is amazing when it works, the firmware coders should be flogged.

    This thing kept crapping out on me on the ski slopes all the time. Constantly froze up even after the latest firmware update - had to do a battery pull after every run. I read on the forums about other users complaining about cold and locking up. If the latest firmware I pulled right on Dec 31 does not fix the issue, it's going back to GoPro for an exchange.

    I also could not get a preview running on iPhone with the latest app and firmware. Wrote to their tech support and received a canned response back. Thanks for nothing.

    We'll see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Magura View Post
    Please report back your findings.


    Magura

    Finally made it to the local Apple Store with an SD card full of 1080p clips from the GoPro.

    Tried one of the current MacBook Pro Retina 15" models.

    Importing was noticeably faster.
    Editing and playing back saved clips of 1080p footage was smooth.
    Exporting the file -- aka sharing with Quicktime -- seemed about the same. A better test would probably involve larger files, but I was already sold at that point.

    The newer models finally have graphics cards that can run high resolutions both on the retina screen and on (multiple!) external monitors. This should make it more convenient to edit photos as well.

    Now I just need to figure out how to order a custom build with the internal drive combo I want.

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    My suggestion is to return it and get the cheaper Hero 2 for the following reason: 1) battery life on the 3 is brutal! 2) The Hero 3 was rushed to market to make money over the holiday season, way too buggy 3) the cheaper Hero 2 shoots great video, has tons of battery life and is bug free. hope this helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib View Post
    My suggestion is to return it and get the cheaper Hero 2 for the following reason: 1) battery life on the 3 is brutal! 2) The Hero 3 was rushed to market to make money over the holiday season, way too buggy 3) the cheaper Hero 2 shoots great video, has tons of battery life and is bug free. hope this helps
    I agree. I am not an early adopter of technology precisely for these reasons. In fact, I recently bought a second Hero2 at REI for $199.95. I can still use all my existing batteries, accessories, and memory cards. If I had bought a Hero3, I wouldn't be able to use the older batteries because Hero3 uses different batteries. Hero2 batteries won't work in a Hero3, AFAIK.

    Also, the Hero3 uses the more expensive microSD cards instead of standard SD cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrainuphill View Post
    I agree. I am not an early adopter of technology precisely for these reasons. In fact, I recently bought a second Hero2 at REI for $199.95. I can still use all my existing batteries, accessories, and memory cards. If I had bought a Hero3, I wouldn't be able to use the older batteries because Hero3 uses different batteries. Hero2 batteries won't work in a Hero3, AFAIK.

    Also, the Hero3 uses the more expensive microSD cards instead of standard SD cards.
    The cost difference of micro SD cards today is pretty negligible, but I agree - battery life sucks. I wanted to shoot some time lapse videos, and the camera lasts maybe 40 minutes at most on a fully charged battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib View Post
    My suggestion is to return it and get the cheaper Hero 2 for the following reason: 1) battery life on the 3 is brutal! 2) The Hero 3 was rushed to market to make money over the holiday season, way too buggy 3) the cheaper Hero 2 shoots great video, has tons of battery life and is bug free. hope this helps
    Some comments on your points:
    1. Battery life for the Hero3 Black at 1080p 30 FPS is about 2 hours, similar to Hero2 for the same resolution. See here. But if you want to use the improved HD camera capability at higher FPS, you use more battery (just like a high HP sports car uses more fuel to go faster). I absolutely love the higher resolution, and just buy more batteries.
    2. Yes, the GoPro Hero3 initially had some bad bugs, according to reports I've read. Fortunately the bugs were fully fixed by the December 15 update, according to their CEO. I've not experienced any bugs personally, having received my GoPro as a Xmas present and immediately updated. I've used it for dozens of hours over many rides without any flaw whatsoever. Rather, the Android preview App is pretty cool and works well to preview and set up the camera.
    3. I agree one should probably stick with the Hero2 if you don't want the improved resolution or speed capability of the Hero 3. But there's still many other added improvements with the Hero 3, such as near zero wind noise (I can only hear myself breathing), 2X lower dark levels, better lens with lower distortion, smaller size for convenience, etc.. Overall, it's a great camera with all around improvements, and finally the quality level I've been waiting for to get into video.

    I don't have the artistic skill or time to make a top video for others like those posted here. Nevertheless, I'll post some videos later, once I get better at editing (and down converting for online, which destroys the beauty of the higher resolutions). For now I greatly enjoy watching my own rides, especially with the 1440p camera resolution that lets me see the sky and detailed trail under the tire at the same time, as well as surrounding scenery in detail. Absolutely stunning, filling out my 27" (1440x2560) computer monitor with sharp action.

    EDIT: On more thought, the suggestion to return a buggy Hero3 to instead get the Hero2 makes more sense for the Hero 3 Silver, which doesn't have the higher quality of the Hero 3 Black in many regards. The Hero 3 Silver is more like the Hero 2, except for size and few other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLarry View Post
    3. I agree one should probably stick with the Hero2 if you don't want the improved resolution or speed capability of the Hero 3. But there's still many other added improvements with the Hero 3, such as near zero wind noise (I can only hear myself breathing), 2X lower dark levels, better lens with lower distortion, smaller size for convenience, etc.. Overall, it's a great camera with all around improvements, and finally the quality level I've been waiting for to get into video.

    I don't have the artistic skill or time to make a top video for others like those posted here. Nevertheless, I'll post some videos later, once I get better at editing (and down converting for online, which destroys the beauty of the higher resolutions). For now I greatly enjoy watching my own rides, especially with the 1440p camera resolution that lets me see the sky and detailed trail under the tire at the same time, as well as surrounding scenery in detail. Absolutely stunning, filling out my 27" (1440x2560) computer monitor with sharp action.
    Less wind noise? Now I'm interested! I always make my videos with 100% natural sound and no music, so audio quality is important to me. My videos document my rides exactly as they happen, so I like to make them realistic. For me that means good, clean, natural sound.

    Also, since I enjoy suffering on climbs I like the camera to pick up my breathing, as it shows how tough the climbs are.

    I would like to see some of your videos without any music or fancy editing. Some good tough climbs and fast downhills would be a good test for the camera. It might make me want to sell my three Contours and get a Hero3 instead. I quit using the ContourHD on my helmet due to the excessive wind noise. I now use a Hero2, and I love it! The Hero2 has better audio and video quality than the Contour too.

    I also like to see other people's videos from my favorite trails, but it's hard to find any that don't have music on them. They're out there, but you have to sift through a lot of music videos to find them.

    I like some music videos, but prefer raw sound for most riding, especially climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLarry View Post
    Some comments on your points:
    1. Battery life for the Hero3 Black at 1080p 30 FPS is about 2 hours, similar to Hero2 for the same resolution. See here. But if you want to use the improved HD camera capability at higher FPS, you use more battery (just like a high HP sports car uses more fuel to go faster). I absolutely love the higher resolution, and just buy more batteries.
    2. Yes, the GoPro Hero3 initially had some bad bugs, according to reports I've read. Fortunately the bugs were fully fixed by the December 15 update, according to their CEO. I've not experienced any bugs personally, having received my GoPro as a Xmas present and immediately updated. I've used it for dozens of hours over many rides without any flaw whatsoever. Rather, the Android preview App is pretty cool and works well to preview and set up the camera.
    3. I agree one should probably stick with the Hero2 if you don't want the improved resolution or speed capability of the Hero 3. But there's still many other added improvements with the Hero 3, such as near zero wind noise (I can only hear myself breathing), 2X lower dark levels, better lens with lower distortion, smaller size for convenience, etc.. Overall, it's a great camera with all around improvements, and finally the quality level I've been waiting for to get into video.

    I don't have the artistic skill or time to make a top video for others like those posted here. Nevertheless, I'll post some videos later, once I get better at editing (and down converting for online, which destroys the beauty of the higher resolutions). For now I greatly enjoy watching my own rides, especially with the 1440p camera resolution that lets me see the sky and detailed trail under the tire at the same time, as well as surrounding scenery in detail. Absolutely stunning, filling out my 27" (1440x2560) computer monitor with sharp action.

    EDIT: On more thought, the suggestion to return a buggy Hero3 to instead get the Hero2 makes more sense for the Hero 3 Silver, which doesn't have the higher quality of the Hero 3 Black in many regards. The Hero 3 Silver is more like the Hero 2, except for size and few other things.
    While I agree 110% with your 2nd and 3rd point - I can (first hand) point out that 2 hours is not happening for me or my uncle. With the black edition GoPro camera on 1080, I got about 45min and on any higher settings like 120fps at 720 I got around 30min. Now, if I used the wifi remote, god help me! 25min!

    With the battery backpack, the times shifter about 1 hour more. The bugs are still prevalent, even after the update and my uncle has gone through 3 cameras. This can be seen with a simple google search. Sad, bec this is was a great company and product line. All that said, I'm sure they'll eventually solve all the issue.....with time but bad for the consumer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrainuphill View Post
    I would like to see some of your videos without any music or fancy editing.
    I have some videos of riding and climbing, but this one best illustrates the variety of sounds on a first GoPro Black 3 test ride on the local trails just outside my house.

    It has a variety of sounds from different terrain, passing cars, bells, leaves, road, bike rattle, and mostly my breathing. Yet, throughout all, wind noise is minor.

    As I get time and improve my editing, I'll post more of the better trails. I got very nice ones from Ft Ord Red Rock and Goat trials. One of my biggest problems in editing now is finding music that's not copyrighted. I guess that wouldn't be a problem for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib View Post
    While I agree 110% with your 2nd and 3rd point - I can (first hand) point out that 2 hours is not happening for me or my uncle. With the black edition GoPro camera on 1080, I got about 45min and on any higher settings like 120fps at 720 I got around 30min. Now, if I used the wifi remote, god help me! 25min!
    With the recommended resolution of 1440 at 48 FPS, I'm getting about 45 minutes per battery. To be safe, I swap the battery a little after 30 minutes, when I see one bar. I now carry 1 to 3 extra batteries. But I really don't need to record every part of the ride. If I just record the interesting and fun parts of the ride, one spare battery looks to be enough on most rides. Maybe more on long rides. Just being more selective means I don't have to edit all the garbage and fill my disk with stuff I don't need anyway.

    Again, the much higher performance and quality of the Hero 3 Black is of great value to me, and the battery life is a minor inconvenience for me. It's easy and quick to swap out.

    (BTW, for Annadel, I'll take all four batteries. Everything is good there.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLarry View Post
    I have some videos of riding and climbing, but this one best illustrates the variety of sounds on a first GoPro Black 3 test ride on the local trails just outside my house.

    It has a variety of sounds from different terrain, passing cars, bells, leaves, road, bike rattle, and mostly my breathing. Yet, throughout all, wind noise is minor.

    As I get time and improve my editing, I'll post more of the better trails. I got very nice ones from Ft Ord Red Rock and Goat trials. One of my biggest problems in editing now is finding music that's not copyrighted. I guess that wouldn't be a problem for you.
    That is pretty impressive! When I originally compared the audio from my GoPro HD Hero 960 and ContourHD cameras, I liked the fact that there was much less wind noise on the GoPro, but your Hero3 is even better! I wonder how they managed to eliminate most of the wind noise?

    I assume you're using the provided non-waterproof door, as that lets in much more sound. I always use the non-waterproof door.

    YouTube has really cracked down on copyrighted stuff in the past few years. I used to have a few videos that had music on them due to crappy or no audio (videos sped up in Windows Live Movie Maker don't have audio as the software mutes it). I moved them all over to Vimeo after another YouTube user reported receiving two copyright strikes in a row for songs that went through YouTube's automated "ContentID" system just fine over a year before the strike.

    If you receive three copyright strikes, YouTube will terminate your account. There is royalty-free music out there, but most of it suuuucks!

    Since the Hero3 has such good audio, there's nothing wrong with making videos without music to avoid the copyright police .

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