• 12-25-2012
    GuruAtma
    Got a GoPro 3 for xmas, now what?
    (xpost from the video forum)

    I got the gopro 3 silver for christmas, yay!

    So now I need to get a micro sd card and various mounting options.

    Any suggestions? Is a 32gig sandisk micro SD card big/fast enough?

    I'd like to get a helmet mount, handlebar / seatpost mount, and maybe a chest mount.

    Any suggestions? Is Gopro the only one who makes them, or are there better/cheaper options.

    Thanks!

    p.s. can someone make me into a really good rider so that my videos are somewhat interesting?
  • 12-25-2012
    ask
    Nice!

    Depending on the resolution... The clips can get pretty big. I got a good deal at BH Photo on a 64G card for mine. I think it was 40-50% off on cyber Monday. Look online... I am sure there will be some deals this week.

    Not sure about mounts by other companies... I have the Chesty and the bar mount. I use the bar mount on my fork upper. A little shakey at times, but cool video perspective. The chest mount takes a bit of adjustment to get right. I have a few clips of my topcap, since I did not have it tipped up enough.

    Also check online and see if you need a firmware update. Mine needed one out of the box and another to get the IOS app to work. (You need a memory card to update the firmware.)
  • 12-25-2012
    cmdrpiffle
    turn on GoPro
    hand your beer to friend and say, "watch this"
    upload results to MTBR
    Profit!
  • 12-25-2012
    zorg
    Chest mount gives the best results. Now go do something extreeeeme. :)
  • 12-25-2012
    zicked
    If you want to use all of the features including 1/2 second timelapse, make sure to get a class 10 card.

    16gb will last about as long as a battery in 720 x 60fps (very general estimate) so 32gb will give you some extra room. 64gb prob only critical if you have battery bacpac or multiple batteries with no time in between to offload videos plus you might find better deals on the 32 vs 64.

    The main go to mounts for me and the bike are helmet and chesty. Other spots end up being shaky unless just used for quick filler shots. Experiment quite a bit with the positions before actually shooting your "best" runs as the chesty can take some tweaking to get the right angle. Best to mount it upside down in the chest mount and point it up/higher than you think especially on steeper downhill trails.
  • 12-25-2012
    zorg
    For the chest mount, tape a piece of foam behind it to get the right angle. Cohenfive got me a piece of foam about 1" thick, and that did the trick.
  • 12-25-2012
    Broncstad
    On chesty, I mount upside down and use 2 fingers as a spacer. That will give you a good angle.
  • 12-25-2012
    motorbacon
    Film yourself pooping?
  • 12-25-2012
    LJ0913
    Same boat. I got the drift hd and now need micro sd card. Wifey went with the helmet mounting kit. Can't wait to test it out.
  • 12-25-2012
    TheMachinist
    Warning: editing those videos takes a pretty powerful computer or a lot of time.

    If you use the helmet mount, make sure your helmet fits tightly and the mount is very tight to the helmet. Also, don't look around. Quick turning of your head makes the video really annoying. Focus on looking forward.

    I never really liked the helmet perspective. I like the chest mount, but you have to run the strap really tight to keep it from shaking excessively.

    I put the roll bar mount on the down tube facing forward for an interesting and fairly solid perspective.

    Have fun.
  • 12-25-2012
    GuruAtma
    So do bikers use the strap helmet mount, or the adhesive mount?
  • 12-25-2012
    Mr.Magura
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by icantdrive65 View Post
    Warning: editing those videos takes a pretty powerful computer or a lot of time.

    How powerful is "powerful" in your opinion?

    Would a Macbook Pro Retina 13" be any good, or ??


    Magura :)
  • 12-25-2012
    somanygoodbikes
    The 2009 Macbook Pro I use (2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 duo) struggles to smoothly play 1080p .mov during editing. It stutters at startup and at any transitions you add between clips. 720p never has any issues. Once the movie is done, converting it with Handbrake back to .mp4 makes it so the computer can play it smoothly again.

    Video editing is one of the primary uses for my computer now and it will likely be the top reason I upgrade, soon, to make it less frustrating. I'll probably take an SD card with some raw video into a Genius store and see how well the editing process runs on the latest generation of hardware.
  • 12-25-2012
    Mr.Magura
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by somanygoodbikes View Post
    The 2009 Macbook Pro I use (2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 duo) struggles to smoothly play 1080p .mov during editing. It stutters at startup and at any transitions you add between clips. 720p never has any issues. Once the movie is done, converting it with Handbrake back to .mp4 makes it so the computer can play it smoothly again.

    Video editing is one of the primary uses for my computer now and it will likely be the top reason I upgrade, soon, to make it less frustrating. I'll probably take an SD card with some raw video into a Genius store and see how well the editing process runs on the latest generation of hardware.

    Please report back your findings.


    Magura :)
  • 12-25-2012
    pimpbot
    Meh.. not so bad.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by icantdrive65 View Post
    Warning: editing those videos takes a pretty powerful computer or a lot of time.

    If you use the helmet mount, make sure your helmet fits tightly and the mount is very tight to the helmet. Also, don't look around. Quick turning of your head makes the video really annoying. Focus on looking forward.

    I never really liked the helmet perspective. I like the chest mount, but you have to run the strap really tight to keep it from shaking excessively.

    I put the roll bar mount on the down tube facing forward for an interesting and fairly solid perspective.

    Have fun.

    I had a 2008 Mac Powerbook (not pro, the plastic one) and it took a while to import the vid clips from my 808HD camera over USB2 (about an hour or two for 12Gb of clips). But, once it was in it edited up in iMovie pretty quickly.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GuruAtma View Post
    So do bikers use the strap helmet mount, or the adhesive mount?

    THe GoPro3 probably has a properly engineered mount. A regular camera threaded mount is a 1/4-20 thread. I took an old helmet when I was messing with my point and shoot digital camera as a helmet cam, and I made a long combination of nuts, bolts and big washers to make a mount through an old helmet. It was solid as heck.

    The 808HD camera I use is so tiny and light, I just stuck to my helmet with velcro. It's about the size of a keyless car lock fob.

    Adhesive Velcro will come unglued on really hot days. I actually have a safety string on there so if it comes lose, it won't lose it.
  • 12-25-2012
    fuenstock
    Like others have said. Make sure to get a class 10 card so that your able to use all the features of your new camera. A 32 card should be plenty, I have a 64 class 10 and come no where close to filling it and that was with around 6 hours of 60fps video.
    Try out the different resolution settings. I found I like 16.9 resolutions for chest mount and lower. 4.3 resolution for helmet mounts. The 4.3 resolution is nice for helmet mounted video because it gives a much taller screen shot making it easier to capture the trail in front of the bike with out having to have the camera pointed to far down. Enjoy your new camera.

    Heres my favorite mount,


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  • 12-25-2012
    redmr2_man
    prepare for every awesome corner, berm, jump, drop, and rock garden you love to ride to look weak as hell when you watch it. Unless you're that joebmx guy and seemingly ride whistler every week.
  • 12-25-2012
    Metamorphic
    "Santa" brought the boys a Contour. Tested it out on stagecoach before the rain started. Pretty cool. Have to ride danger close and keep your head pointed at the rider and focus in riding stable and smooth.
  • 12-25-2012
    jkidd_39
    Anybody having issues updating there hero 3 off gopro's website??
  • 12-25-2012
    TheMachinist
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mr.Magura View Post
    How powerful is "powerful" in your opinion?

    Would a Macbook Pro Retina 13" be any good, or ??


    Magura :)

    Well, I'm using my i7 quad-core 2.67 GHz laptop and I'm amazed at how long it takes to process 720p 60 fps videos for editing in Windows Movie Maker. It's not too bad for a 5-minute clip, but it seems like a slower computer would really take some time.
  • 12-25-2012
    Wherewolf
    Show the trail
    Show the trail. Lately everybody is showing mostly knees and handlebars, so all the videos look the same. The chest mount is lame. And you really do have to tailgate if someone is in front of you. Finally, do not compress too much or no matter what you "film" will look terrible.
  • 12-25-2012
    kYLEMtnCRUZr
    And please edit out the beginning were everyone stares at the camera as they turn it on. You don't have to prove that it's you. We will believe it's you.
  • 12-25-2012
    slide mon
    Just got a GoPro 2! Subscribed for more suggestions.

    -slide
  • 12-25-2012
    GoGoGordo
    Cable Cam Time!!
    Cept' I gotta do sumthin bout the camera swinging. :confused::confused:
    I'm tryin...

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  • 12-25-2012
    kYLEMtnCRUZr
    Cable cam powered by gravity? Brilliant!
  • 12-25-2012
    GoGoGordo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kYLEMtnCRUZr View Post
    Cable cam powered by gravity? Brilliant!

    Takes forever to set up by yourself though.
    Just started trying it.
    I'm gonna make it better/smoother.
    Carrying cables and gear a PITA.
    Gonna perfect it though.
    I like the way it looks when it works.
    Wanna try a low to the ground angle next.
    G
  • 12-25-2012
    JACKL
    Got the Hero3 today too. The wife got me an extra battery and a bunch of extra mounts (thanks honey). I'm stoked to try it out, but gotta pick up an SD card tomorrow. Hopefully I can find a mounting spot and resolution that doesn't make everything look 1/2 as hard as it was in real life. I've got a pretty cushy FS 29er, so I'm going to give the handlebar / fork / frame mount a try.

    The features on this thing are nuts. Looks like you can mount it on your buddy's bike, then monitor it on your IPhone (hey bro, point it up a little higher. Perfect, thanks.) Nice toy, and it's going to take some time to figure out how to use it to the fullest.
  • 12-25-2012
    fgiraffe
    Buy a new huge hard drive. Now buy another new huge hard drive. Back up your footage to multiple hard drives often. If your footage is not on at least two hard drives, it doesn't really exist.

    Tell stories.
  • 12-25-2012
    zicked
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Anybody having issues updating there hero 3 off gopro's website??

    Their host is having trouble. Their Facebook page has a more detailed explanation.
  • 12-26-2012
    Dion
    It's all about mounting on non-steering points and good post production. All film making basics apply: rules of thirds, depth of field, shooting from the hip, etc. You can buy all the doo-dads and tech stuff, but lack of basic film making will make for a boring video. Good, solid, raw footage is key.

    Also, learn how to edit really well - but even the best editing programs like Final Cut Pro will do no good without great raw footage. Learn about compression and output, you will loose a lot of quality when you publish if you're not keen on that - sometimes the videos come out "grey" in color. Mornings and evenings are the best time to shoot, unless you're going for a specific "feel" - like today would be a great day to do a B&W project.

    I've been making riding videos for the last 10 years back when we were using bullet cameras and video tape (on motorcycles). :) I was making BMX videos in 1990 with big shoulder mount VHS cameras and tape-to-tape editing bays.

    No matter what you're doing, remember that even with a riding video, you're trying to convey a mood... a feeling... you can create suspense, drama, comedy, etc. even with mountain biking. Basics, like high contrast and fast cuts to project a feeling of action versus muted contrast and slow cross dissolves to project a feeling of calmness... some points to be aware of.

    A lot of people just mount it on the stem, helmet or chest (my least favorite spots to mount), edit it with a few cross dissolves, and lay their favorite music on it with no native sound. Although there's nothing wrong with that - anybody can do that.

    Good luck!
  • 12-26-2012
    fgiraffe
    Quote:

    I was making BMX videos in 1990 with big shoulder mount VHS cameras and tape-to-tape editing bays.
    Nice!
  • 12-26-2012
    Dion
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fgiraffe View Post
    Nice!

    This is what I used back then :lol:

  • 12-26-2012
    cohenfive
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zorg View Post
    For the chest mount, tape a piece of foam behind it to get the right angle. Cohenfive got me a piece of foam about 1" thick, and that did the trick.

    bill, i'd be happy to get you a piece of foam as well...:)

    great gift, i have one of the older models but it is still a ton of fun to use...also can go underwater in case you fall off into a stream or something!
  • 12-26-2012
    GuruAtma
    You should do an on-line class or something about this. I've seen lots of POV videos that I skip through because they end up kind of boring after a minute or so. But a few are well done--basically because of the reasons you list.

    It'd be great to see some good (and bad) examples of videos with spoken or caption commentary at important parts.



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    It's all about mounting on non-steering points and good post production. All film making basics apply: rules of thirds, depth of field, shooting from the hip, etc. You can buy all the doo-dads and tech stuff, but lack of basic film making will make for a boring video. Good, solid, raw footage is key.

    Also, learn how to edit really well - but even the best editing programs like Final Cut Pro will do no good without great raw footage. Learn about compression and output, you will loose a lot of quality when you publish if you're not keen on that - sometimes the videos come out "grey" in color. Mornings and evenings are the best time to shoot, unless you're going for a specific "feel" - like today would be a great day to do a B&W project.

    I've been making riding videos for the last 10 years back when we were using bullet cameras and video tape (on motorcycles). :) I was making BMX videos in 1990 with big shoulder mount VHS cameras and tape-to-tape editing bays.

    No matter what you're doing, remember that even with a riding video, you're trying to convey a mood... a feeling... you can create suspense, drama, comedy, etc. even with mountain biking. Basics, like high contrast and fast cuts to project a feeling of action versus muted contrast and slow cross dissolves to project a feeling of calmness... some points to be aware of.

    A lot of people just mount it on the stem, helmet or chest (my least favorite spots to mount), edit it with a few cross dissolves, and lay their favorite music on it with no native sound. Although there's nothing wrong with that - anybody can do that.

    Good luck!

  • 12-26-2012
    Metamorphic
    Shot some helmet cam footage with the Kid's new Contour 2+ on Christmas Day. You have to get REALLY close to fill the frame with the rider. The camera man also has to be very disciplined about keeping their core still and keep their focus on the other rider instead of the trail in front of them. Also, with the helmet mount, the high camera positon destroys your sense of the slope of the trail.

    Lots of technical challenges with this kind of work. You can really see how this is the kind of thing where you shoot hours to get seconds of truly usable footage.
  • 12-26-2012
    mtbrdan
    I either use the chest mount with the camera mounted upside down to get the angle right, the camera has a setting to deal with this, or mounted to the side of my full face with a few connectors. Either way I put a small piece of duct tape in the bed of the mount to tighten up the connection and to avoid the dreaded woodpecker sound effect of a loose mount.
  • 12-26-2012
    Mazukea
    Hey NorCal,

    I just picked up a GoPro 3 black today. I've never owned one of these cameras before. So I'm just searching the forum to see how others are using, abusing, and having fun with their GP's.

    I figured I just stop in and say "Hi" since I was in the area.

    Laters dudes.
  • 12-26-2012
    Dion
    My favorite mount is this one. I like to mount it underneath the downtube, on a fork leg, etc. I've also mounted it on a 5ft. pole to use it as a boom for overhead shots of riding and to follow somebody. I have a dowel with a cart wheel at the bottom where I can roll my camera around very low (good for urban/BMX/trials).



    I was using this mount before I ever got a GoPro. It's a universal mount using a simple c-clamp style system. I got a GoPro tripod adapter for this, but I broke this in Demo. :(

    I used to mount this on foot pegs for BMX videos, and back when I had a bullet cam, I also used this on motorcycles.



    The other mounts that I have in mind need to be custom made. I want to make boom mounts so that I can mount with a 2ft. extension above me (of course, this won't work on some trails). I also want to make a boom mount that will face me and show at least two riders behind me. This will require some sort of extender, as well. Or, one to extend behind me on the lower end of the bike.

    So, I am trying to design a universal mount extension boom at will extend 2-3ft. anywhere. Vibration will be an issue, though, so I may have to go with something shorter. What's great about the GoPro is the wide angle 1080 has such great peripheral.
  • 12-26-2012
    Mazukea
    anybody here use the chest mount? how does that work for you?
  • 12-26-2012
    Mountain Cycle Shawn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mazukea View Post
    anybody here use the chest mount? how does that work for you?

    No, no one here uses that, it's awful.
  • 12-26-2012
    Mazukea
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    No, no one here uses that, it's awful.

    what do you use?
  • 12-26-2012
    ICE4Me
    Another New GoPro user...
    Subscribed.

    Ben
  • 12-27-2012
    TheMachinist
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mazukea View Post
    anybody here use the chest mount? how does that work for you?

    I use it sometimes. I have it cinched down really tight to reduce shaking. It's still too shaky for full-screen viewing.
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  • 12-27-2012
    Metamorphic
    You know, I hate to say it, but the solution is gyro stabilization, which is heavy and complicated.
  • 12-27-2012
    Dion
    These two videos I did using a bullet cam and a 8mm camcorder. The first rider is AMA Superstar Elena Myers on a SuperMoto at Stockton Motorplex (#21). I believe she was 12 yrs. old in this video.

    I even think NuckingFutz is in this video.

    I had to use a video capture card and digitize - this killed the quality.



    This is using the c-clamp style mount with a regular digital camera (Canon point and shoot). Didn't have 1080p, but it worked for what we needed it for. You see me crash in the end.



    I made this the same way. This was my first MTB video. Still, no GoPro yet.



    This is my most recent projects in order that they were made:

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    My latest - messing with different camera mounting spots and iMovie. The GoPro even picked up the sweat dripping from my forehead!

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    I am thoroughly impressed with the GoProHD2. I'm sure the 3 is even better. It handles slow-motion really well considering it's the "wrong" way to do true slow motion, and the quality handles compression very well if you use the right codec.

    I've considered buy Final Cut Pro, but for what I do, iMovie works fine, although a bit limited. I miss having Abode After Effects as a motion graphics program. :(
  • 12-27-2012
    zorg
    The chest mount is my favorite. The real issue is that to make an interesting movie you have to spend an inordinate amount of time playing with the camera, the angle, etc. Then, it takes even more time doing to edit the movie. Basically,it's a giant time suck, but a fun one.
  • 12-27-2012
    morozka1
    What is the best software to edit videos
    What do you use to edit your GoPro clips? Something really easy to use.
  • 12-27-2012
    Dion
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by morozka1 View Post
    What do you use to edit your GoPro clips? Something really easy to use.

    I use iMovie. But Final Cut Pro would be the ultimate.

    I used to edit everything on a PC with Adobe Premiere and used Adobe After Effects (with Illustrator and Photoshop) to create my motion graphics. That's what I'm really missing - but when I switched to Mac, the software was a bit pricey.

    I still make my graphics in Illustrator, rasterize them in Photoshop and import. Text feature in iMovie isn't bad, although limited.

    Timed transitions with music is a little tricky with iMovie and takes a lot of patience to get it down so it looks decent.

    I know it sounds really geeky, but I want to do a short, independent documentary about MTB's in Santa Teresa County Park.
  • 12-27-2012
    TahoeBC
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by morozka1 View Post
    What do you use to edit your GoPro clips? Something really easy to use.

    I found avs4you to be pretty intuitive, once you make your first one you can create a video pretty quickly. Its fairly cheap and you can download a trail version to try it out.

    AVS Video Editor: perfect for home video editing. Edit video easily!
  • 12-27-2012
    morozka1
    @Dion
    I just got a MacBook pro so I will try IMovie
    Also for some reason my footage is always blury. I can't figure out how to clean it up. The screen is clean and I think its just setting on the gopro unit itself.