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    Giant Salamander Destruction

    Moron #1: Those bikes are creating too much dust on Giant Salamander and it's washing into the stream and hurting the fish.

    Moron #2: Let's rebuild GS and reroute it to save the enviroment.

    Several Months Later

    Moron #1: The new GS trail is a hit with the mountain bikers. They are having too much fun.

    Moron #2: Yeah. Now that they've had a month to ride it, let's screw with them and close it again.

    Moron #1: Good idea. Let's not only close it but let's destroy the bottom half in the name of trial maintenance.

    Moron #2: Yeah, and instead of just bringing in a Bobcat, let's get the biggest monster tractor we can find.

    Moron #1: No, we'll bring in two of them and turn the singletrack into a wide road.

    Moron #2: Yeah, and we'll create more environmental damage in 1 week than 20 years of riding the old GS trail would have caused.

    Moron #1: Perfect plan. And we can probably even convince the trail advocate guys that this is actually good for them.

    Moron #2: Yeah. Now on to a new topic. Do you have any idea why these MTBers always want to build their own trails?

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    Have you read this? The widening is a temporary measure so they can put a bridge in.

    I know, GS is a huge mess now. I rode it last weekend. Give it a couple years.

    BTW, the folks who work at Mid-Pen are not morons. The board hasn't always been MTB-friendly, but the folks who do the actual work generally are.

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    Skeggs is one of the most beautiful and awesome places to ride.Do you realize how lucky we are to have this place to ride?You should appreciate skeggs for what it is and stop complaining because there is construction going on to eventually improve the area.Props to san mateo county for allowing us to ride there and for all the hard work and trail maitenance just for us to use for free.

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    Maybe you would rather they just close the trail permanently?


    The planning process for any Mid Penn work is extensive, and they do not take such things casually. To degrade them is both counterproductive and indeed moronic

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    Watershed protection program is more than for the fish

    MROSD is spending probably millions of dollars on closing skid roads and building singletrack alternatives to the trails they are closing. They have worked closely with me and ROMP's previous presidents about trail circulation patterns, and have worked hard to provide mountain bikers with information.

    i think few people realize how close the district was to closing the preserve entirely around 2003 to the public, and restoring the offending trails.to prevent creek siltation. Actually the watershed protection program is a lot more about protecting mountain biking in MROSD and giving the public what they want than protecting fish habit, which would have been alot easier to do by closing the preserve to the public.

    As many of you know, the section of south Leaf known as Disneyland is going to be closed, and in place of that we are getting / building a really sweet mile+ single track parallel to Star Hill Road. We built about 200 feet on Saturday which is quite a lot. We only have about 3000 more feet to go I figure.

    I'll let you know the next opportunity is when you can come out and dig.
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    I was OK with the rerouting of the eastern section of the "Giant Salamander" (real name: "Donner Pass") trail, because it replaced a steep, ugly eroded section of trail. However, I'm not happy with Midpen ****ing with the western section of this trail, because, IMHO, it was perfectly OK the way it was, with a sweet, narrow trailed, and little potential for runoff into nearby creeks.

    Old-timers like I remember how sweet that section of trail used to be back in the mid-90s, before Midpen capriciously decided to drive a Sweco trail machine down it, undoubtedly causing lots of erosion. Shortly afterwards, we had the 1997-1998 El Nino winter, which led to several landslides throughout the preserve, including on Midpen's recently Sweco'd handiwork. After several years, that section of trail had come close to returning to its former glory. But now we learn that Midpen is ****ing with that section of trail yet again. Sigh...

    However, lest people think that I am opposing everything that Midpen does to ECdM - I *do* support the closing of "Disneyland" (ugly, eroded, much too steep), and I look forward to the new replacement trail. (FYI, I was one of those who helped build the "Leaf Extension" (aka. "North Leaf") trail a few years back.)

    Ross.

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    BTW, why does this forum's software censor the word "f u c k" (deliberately spread out to stop the censoring) with "****"? This is really anal. (Maybe the software will censor that as well - I said "a n a l".) Most of us are not children; we don't need to be treated as such.

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    I Was There Saturday

    Ok, so I was there Saturday. The "fireroad" is totally unnecessary. I have a feeling 2 cars can pass by side by side.

    With that said, I m not a trail work specialist, so I dont understand the underlying logic for this. However I do know that from now on, I will be riding Giant Salamander as a one way trail. Down the single track side, and then up the fireroad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finlayson
    Most of us are not children.
    But if your children are into biking, wouldn't it be nice to have a place where they can go and read about it without a bunch of swearing?

    Plenty of boards would ban your for trying to get around the censor, btw.

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    Truthfully....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy
    But if your children are into biking, wouldn't it be nice to have a place where they can go and read about it without a bunch of swearing?

    Plenty of boards would ban your for trying to get around the censor, btw.
    If we were allowed to use that language here...I might use it a bit to much...and I think others might drift into that same bad habbit as well. I swear like a drunk sailor when I'm hangin with my pals but I try to keep it clean in mixed (kids and woman folk) company or in the company of strangers.

    Now that I think about it. I can't frickin imagine how nasty things would get around here if all language was acceptable.
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