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    Gary Fisher - Charlie Kelly - Klunkerz

    Anybody around here ever meet Gary? Ride with him? I know he was all up in Mt. Tam's grille; is he still living in NorCal?

    I recently achieved the Eagle rank in Boy Scouts, and I was just thinking how totally awesome it would be to invite Gary Fisher to my Court of Honor....



    And to all the naysayers: I think that you would realize how futile a forum search for Gary Fisher would be when I'm trying to find out about the dude himself.
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    You are strange!! Gary lives in SF to my understanding, that's all I know.

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    Lives in Marin, San Anselmo last I recall, he used to be my neighbor back in the day. I rode on a pickup type ride with him back in 1996. He is still a very fast rider I believe.

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    I met Gary in 1971 on a bike ride, and fifteen minutes later we were in the Grateful Dead office in San Rafael, looking at cover art for his friend Marmaduke's album, called "New Riders of the Purple Sage."

    Gary and I were roommates for five years, first at 21 Humbolt in San Anselmo, then we moved up the street to #32. In 1979 we rented a garage and opened a little business we called "MountainBikes."

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    The OP should invite Mr. Repack Rider instead of Mr. Fisher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    I met Gary in 1971 on a bike ride, and fifteen minutes later we were in the Grateful Dead office in San Rafael, looking at cover art for his friend Marmaduke's album, called "New Riders of the Purple Sage."

    Gary and I were roommates for five years, first at 21 Humbolt in San Anselmo, then we moved up the street to #32. In 1979 we rented a garage and opened a little business we called "MountainBikes."
    Man, understated post of the year!!!!!!

    Charlie Kelly aka Repack Rider is the ruler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Man, understated post of the year!!!!!!

    Charlie Kelly aka Repack Rider is the ruler.

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    X1

    Kelly's way nicer than the Fish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoGordo
    X1

    Kelly's way nicer than the Fish.
    x1 is the same as the original amount. You either say x2 or +1.

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    So Charlie, who was the better rider, you or Fisher?

    haha be honest!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmr2_man
    So Charlie, who was the better rider, you or Fisher?
    I hammered him on the day we met, and the next time was about 35 years later when I nipped him in a computerized race at the Cow Palace. He's something like 3000-2 lifetime with me if you add up every ride we ever took.

    Gary was Cat I and a fixture in the NorCal top ten. I only raced one season on the road and never broke out of Cat IV. He started racing bikes when he was about 12, and I rode a ten-speed for the first time when I was 24 years old, about two years before we met.

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    Riding is riding. I don't place a hierarchy on who is whom. But I did ride with Gary down Repack back in the mid 80's. I also got an eagle scout. Tom Ritchey was in one of our patrols. That was back in the late 60's in Palo Alto Troop 16 (evolved into troop 206 in Atherton). I think he was in Cream patrol. They had milk bottles for patrol badges. That's "Cream" after the band with Ginger Baker and Eric Clapton. Those were the days. I'll always remember Tom's first hand built bike. That was probably 1971. A road bike.

    I miss the early days. Brazing sprockets onto sprockets to get that 1:1 ratio. And all of the open spaces that are now closed.

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    charlie, are you still in contact with the Sons of Champlin? I saw them play this past summer at my friends winery..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    I met Gary in 1971 on a bike ride, and fifteen minutes later we were in the Grateful Dead office in San Rafael, looking at cover art for his friend Marmaduke's album, called "New Riders of the Purple Sage."

    Gary and I were roommates for five years, first at 21 Humbolt in San Anselmo, then we moved up the street to #32. In 1979 we rented a garage and opened a little business we called "MountainBikes."
    So why does he get all the credit for the pioneering stuffs? You always hear about Gary Fisher and the klunkerz, not Gary Fisher with Charlie Kelly and the klunkerz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erik1245
    So why does he get all the credit for the pioneering stuffs? You always hear about Gary Fisher and the klunkerz, not Gary Fisher with Charlie Kelly and the klunkerz.
    Time to brush up on mountain biking history. Look up Tom Ritchey, Victor Vincente of America, Jacquie Phelan. Please come back tomorrow with a biographical report for the class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icantdrive65
    Time to brush up on mountain biking history. Look up Tom Ritchey, Victor Vincente of America, Jacquie Phelan. Please come back tomorrow with a biographical report for the class.
    I'll have to agree with that. I've never been one for too much background research; it tends to get me in trouble....

    I was just born in the wrong era. If all this was current events, I would be in-the-know. Time to jump in the DeLorean and go back 40 years....
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    erik1245: you forgot to add Joe Breeze, at least according to this magazine cover:

    Source: Charlie Kelly's Mountain Bike Hubsite

    And an ode to Repack Rider's mention of the Grateful Dead, you can look up the "Long Strange Trip" video on GF.
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    lol joe breezes neighbor backed into my T2 bike rack at that multibrewery tasting + bike expo in fairfax a few months ago. Looked like he backed into it at like 40mph!

    He was very proud to talk about his rides with joe breeze when writing me a check for a new bike rack and asking me not to call insurance. Guess he owns a winery.

    Seems like everyone in fairfax/san anselmo has run ins with these mountain biker celebrities!

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    Oops! Add Joe Breeze to the list. There are lots more who should be in that list, I'm sure.

    We need a Mountain Bike Forefathers thread to educate everyone about the roots of this sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cobb
    charlie, are you still in contact with the Sons of Champlin? I saw them play this past summer at my friends winery..
    My "other" claim to fame is that I am the "Cal Ripken" of rock band roadies.

    In the 42 years that I was the head roadie fore the Sons I missed a total of four shows. The first was when Bill Graham threw me out of the Fillmore in 1969, and then three more when we blew up the engine on the truck in Wells, Nevada in 1974. I had the engine rebuilt at a truck stop and then drove 1100 miles in 24 hours to catch up with the tour. I was never drunk, I was never in jail, I never had a drug problem and I never let the band down.

    I turned in my resignation this year, but they leaned on me for one more show, officially my last, in Santa Cruz in March.

    I rent rehearsal space for a couple for bands I play in from the Sons' drummer. The studio is about 50 feet from where the Sons (and Huey Lewis) practice, so I see the guys whenever they get together.

    Last year at the Mystic Theater in Petaluma after Bill Champlin introduced the band at the end of the show, he had me bring my guitar onstage and play the encore with them. Bill was kind enough to introduce me as "the heart and soul of The Sons." There are only two current members of the band who were there before me.

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    CK site

    You should check out CK's website, an excellent history of the MTB.

    http://sonic.net/~ckelly/Seekay/mtbwelcome.htm



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    Oops! Add Joe Breeze to the list. There are lots more who should be in that list, I'm sure.

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    Gary Fisher and I at IB 2010, yeah, we're BFF's He's always been a rockstar in my book

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTCMinfo
    You should check out CK's website, an excellent history of the MTB.
    http://sonic.net/~ckelly/Seekay/mtbwelcome.htm
    Good advise for anyone who wonders how this all got started. Pack a lunch though, you could be gone for hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkyJay
    Good advise for anyone who wonders how this all got started. Pack a lunch though, you could be gone for hours.
    I got plenty of time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    My "other" claim to fame is that I am the "Cal Ripken" of rock band roadies.

    In the 42 years that I was the head roadie fore the Sons I missed a total of four shows. The first was when Bill Graham threw me out of the Fillmore in 1969, and then three more when we blew up the engine on the truck in Wells, Nevada in 1974. I had the engine rebuilt at a truck stop and then drove 1100 miles in 24 hours to catch up with the tour. I was never drunk, I was never in jail, I never had a drug problem and I never let the band down.

    I turned in my resignation this year, but they leaned on me for one more show, officially my last, in Santa Cruz in March.

    I rent rehearsal space for a couple for bands I play in from the Sons' drummer. The studio is about 50 feet from where the Sons (and Huey Lewis) practice, so I see the guys whenever they get together.

    Last year at the Mystic Theater in Petaluma after Bill Champlin introduced the band at the end of the show, he had me bring my guitar onstage and play the encore with them. Bill was kind enough to introduce me as "the heart and soul of The Sons." There are only two current members of the band who were there before me.
    . That is RAD man, I don't realy know them but I had fun hanging with them at my Buddys winery up in lake county. And then I helped the boys load the truck, what a fun group of guys.

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    Wow, cool thread. Thanks for jumping in Charlie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    x1 is the same as the original amount. You either say x2 or +1.

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    I rode with Charlie and Joe at the Biketoberfest "legends of Mountain biking" ride and had a blast. They can both still ride hard. Charlie was fun and Joe was the historian telling us about the history of the area. Doing repack with Joe was a highlight.

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    Gary is a pretty cool guy, see him all the time in marin. Drops by the shop once in a while to say hi!

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    Here you go. We had a beer this summer in the mountains.

    Photo by Geoff Waugh

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    Doesn't Charlie still own the original timer from Repak that has the bottle cap on the reset button? Great recent pics of Gary Fisher. I saw Gary Fisher at the Klunkerz premiere with Jackie Phelan a couple years back, they both seemed like really cool people. We're blessed to have guys like Charlie on this forum and all those other legends locally for the occasional sighting (and ride!).

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    If we're throwing names around, let's not leave Wende Cragg out. She doesn't go looking for publicity like the rest of us, but she was an integral part of the "Repack" crowd, and Bill Savage would have had a hard time making "Klunkerz" without her photos.

    Here we are after doing a radio show last year at KQED in San Francisco.
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    I'm sure you're innocent, but we need to know why you were thrown out of The Fillmore.

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    Tom Ritchey is also local.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    If we're throwing names around, let's not leave Wende Cragg out. She doesn't go looking for publicity like the rest of us, but she was an integral part of the "Repack" crowd, and Bill Savage would have had a hard time making "Klunkerz" without her photos.

    Here we are after doing a radio show last year at KQED in San Francisco.

    Seekay, would you say Klunkerz is an accurate depiction of how it all began?

    It really opened my eyes into the hidden beginnings of our sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes
    +1. Fisher gets too much solo credit for MTBing. He wasn't the only one on knobby tires back in the day.
    I gotta second that. I honestly thought that GF just took a bunch of old cruisers, messed up the frames a bit, and that was a mountain bike. I know, oversimplified a bit, but that's mostly what I originally thought.

    And then I'm reading through this thread, and, "holy crap I'm talking to Charlie Kelly!" (Still not done reading through his entire website though.)

    But now I see that mtbing was something that evolved through almost a decade, and involved a bunch of kids with some engineering smarts and some faith in themselves. I know I wouldn't be willing to trust something that I made myself, flying down the side of a mountain.

    I guess GF gets a lot of solo credit because he's got a good-sized bike company, and each of his bikes has his name on it. And that's as far as most people research into it.
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    Doesn't bontrager also live in Santa Cruz? Not that he is as old (legendary) but still a name in the sport. Charlie, Gary and Joe really had an idea back then and without them we have no idea when MTB would have taken off. Ii think it is really cool that Charlie is on this forum and talks about it. I would love to hear him talk over beers about the good old days.
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    Good point, Stripes

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    +1. Fisher gets too much solo credit for MTBing. He wasn't the only one on knobby tires back in the day.

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    I forgot Cunningham!

    Quote Originally Posted by pmarshall
    Doesn't bontrager also live in Santa Cruz?
    I know Keith Bontrager was in Santa Cruz. Probably still around, just staying under the radar. I really wanted one of his frames back around 1990. So simple, clean and elegant. Actually, I would still love to have one. The only vintage steel I have is a ~1985 Fisher Montare in "used" condition. I used up my 1988 Fisher CR-7 years ago and got a Trek-owned Gary Fisher Mt. Tam replacement. I kinda wish I had held onto the old CR-7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J
    I'm sure you're innocent, but we need to know why you were thrown out of The Fillmore.
    The roadie for the third billed band did not get to tell Bill Graham where to get off in his own place.

    I saw Mr. Graham many times afterward because that was hardly the last Fillmore show I worked on. He always made a point of coming over and shaking my hand, even though I'll bet he didn't know my name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Seekay, would you say Klunkerz is an accurate depiction of how it all began?

    It really opened my eyes into the hidden beginnings of our sport.

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    I would have told the story a little differently but Billy did pretty well. Some of the people included were there because they became prominent later, but were not really influential on the earliest developments.

    Charlie Cunningham did not participate in any of our activities in the '70s, did not race at Repack, and rode skinny tires on trails until light rims and tires became available around 1981. He ridiculed our use of incredibly heavy wheels and tires, but he wasn't testing his bikes on Repack either. Jacquie arrived in Marin in the fall of 1981, by which time things were well down the road.

    I felt that some of the interviews were a little "revisionist" and that there was some after the fact polishing, but that is to be expected.

    In the film Mike Sinyard took great pains to point out the SINGLE difference between the gruppo of the Stumpjumper and the gruppo on the four bikes he bought from us, which was Tomaselli brake levers instead of Magura. Gary and I had already snatched the Magura OEM distribution for NorCal, so he would have had to buy them from us.

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    I didn't want to mention Sinyard. He was instrumental in ripping off others' ideas and bringing big business to mountain biking...and then going after anybody who hinted at "borrowing" from the big S.

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    This http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R906241000, is rad!! Play the mp3..
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    Rumor has it that in 2012 there will be a mountain biking display at the SFO Airport Museum (the only accredited airport museum in the US). Don't know much more than that, but I'm sure that the museum would be interested in any historic MTB related items. If any one has any items that they might want to loan the museum, drop me a PM and I'll see if I can put you in contact with someone from the museum.

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    To the Threadparent: I'd invite Charlie Kelly too. Never met him, but his posts here and website imply a pretty interesting guy. Don't know GF either (got close at a bike event in MPLS about 20 years ago) but "rock stars" generally are very tough to get ahold of.

    Side note: when I was a kid a lot of us rode our old cruisers out in the woods; they worked a whole lot better than skinny tired bikes. I remember an older guy that was pretty hard-core about it, having adapted 10-speed components to an old cruiser giving him a bike that would really climb hills, but his main goal was getting out in the woods to pick mushrooms and berries...but I think he enjoyed the rides, too.

    Where GF, CK, and some of these others diverged (IMO) from all of us that took our fenders off and rode in the woods was more of the "human" aspect. Repack fire road was an important component to be sure, as was the "Mountainbike" company, Wende's photos and all the other parts of the story, but at the bottom, I think, its really about all the people in the story.

    Thanks, Charlie, GF, and all the others involved along the way for making riding in the woods and hills acceptable sport, rather than the province of kooks like my old friend that picked berries and mushrooms, or a bunch of wild dumb-asz teenagers like I was back in the day.

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    Heres me an Gar' taken a pix with his new Iphone.
    Classic.
    I see him all the time around these parts.
    He was also leading a pack of 50-60 somthings up the last hill before Repack on the Appitite seminar.
    I was going down the hill, he was coming up, and I just about took him out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icantdrive65
    Time to brush up on mountain biking history. Look up Tom Ritchey, Victor Vincente of America, Jacquie Phelan. Please come back tomorrow with a biographical report for the class.
    Yup. Anyone who rides a mountain bike and lives in the bay area should do so.

    There are a whole lot of guys that have been left out of this discussion that deserve note, but I won't nit pick.

    CK has been a fantastic historian and patriarch of records as well.

    Having had the opportunity to ride and hang out with several historical types (on several occasions) is easily an MTB highlight for me.
    We're lucky to live where we do and these guys responsible for our passion are all so down to earth and inviting...shame not to acknowledge or know who they are.
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    The sport of mountain biking was born of more than an arbitrary dateline. I don't find that fair at all.

    Repack, you would have told the story a little differently? You should tell it here! Have you mentioned it before? I need to pay more attention!

    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    I would have told the story a little differently but Billy did pretty well. Some of the people included were there because they became prominent later, but were not really influential on the earliest developments.

    Charlie Cunningham did not participate in any of our activities in the '70s, did not race at Repack, and rode skinny tires on trails until light rims and tires became available around 1981. He ridiculed our use of incredibly heavy wheels and tires, but he wasn't testing his bikes on Repack either. Jacquie arrived in Marin in the fall of 1981, by which time things were well down the road.

    I felt that some of the interviews were a little "revisionist" and that there was some after the fact polishing, but that is to be expected.

    In the film Mike Sinyard took great pains to point out the SINGLE difference between the gruppo of the Stumpjumper and the gruppo on the four bikes he bought from us, which was Tomaselli brake levers instead of Magura. Gary and I had already snatched the Magura OEM distribution for NorCal, so he would have had to buy them from us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyButterfly
    Repack, you would have told the story a little differently? You should tell it here! Have you mentioned it before? I need to pay more attention!
    There is a lot of stuff on my website, but it does not tell the story in a linear fashion. It's not like I haven't been working on a book about that amazing adventure, but I haven't found anyone to publish it yet.

    If you care to look at the draft I send around to publishers, which covers my bike history right up until Gary and I opened the little shop, it's online as a .pdf. There's another ten years of fun that isn't on there, including the rise and fall of our shop, NORBA, the Fat Tire Flyer magazine, etc. Ignore the uncorrected typos.

    If I ever get it into print, of course I would include lots of graphics of the sort you see on my website, Repack posters, MountanBikes advertising, the Fat Tire Flyer, Wende's photos and so on.

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    We all know that Mountain Biking was pioneered by Rodney Rom. Just ask him http://www.completesite.com/mbhof/pa...4&memberid=154
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    I heard Alan Bonds was involved early on, while the 3 amigos lived together in San Anselmo.
    AB was inducted into the MBHoF recently for that exact reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky
    We all know that Mountain Biking was pioneered by Rodney Rom. Just ask him http://www.completesite.com/mbhof/pa...4&memberid=154
    Yawn. I could fill a library with the stories of people who "invented mountain biking" before I ever hit a trail.

    The idea of mountain biking is hardly new and it pre-dates Rodney by plenty. The French guys in the 'fifties and John Finley Scott in 1953 all had the basic idea of modifying bikes for off-road before Rodney learned how to ride a bike. Joe Breeze built the first modern version before Gary and I ever thought about a bike related business.

    If building off-road bikes was all it took to start the sport we know today, mountain biking would have taken over the cycling world 25 years before it did.

    The difference between all the other people who had the same idea earlier and us is that we put brand new bikes designed and built from the ground up on the market and started advertising them, the step every other "inventor" didn't take. All those others had the chance, but failed to SELL the bikes and the sport to other people. When the world decided mountain biking was a good idea, the bikes that were copied down to the last detail were the new bikes we were selling, not hybrid bikes like Rodney's and Scott's that had been a stage on our journey. We didn't stop there. They did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    The difference between all the other people who had the same idea earlier and us is that we put brand new bikes designed and built from the ground up on the market and started advertising them, the step every other "inventor" didn't take. All those others had the chance, but failed to SELL the bikes and the sport to other people. When the world decided mountain biking was a good idea, the bikes that were copied down to the last detail were the new bikes we were selling, not hybrid bikes like Rodney's and Scott's that had been a stage on our journey. We didn't stop there. They did.
    Maybe that was because the others couldn't deal with the funny looks people must have given you when you promoted a bicycle as intended for the dirt, rather than the "safety" of the road. They probably thought you were crazy.
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    [QUOTE=Repack Rider]I would have told the story a little differently but Billy did pretty well. Some of the people included were there because they became prominent later, but were not really influential on the earliest developments.

    Pretty well, CK? It'll take that. I don't think any of the cast was so kind to Stacy after Dogtown, though I didn't hear anyone complaining at the cast party (parties). CK knows all this stuff, but here's for the rest that might be interested. There was a reason the film had never been done before, though many had tried. To interview that many characters (that didn't necessarily get along at the time) and pack that much history into a 90 minute narrative is a bit of a trick. There's only so much you can do. It's filmmaking, and it's not as easy as some might think. The idea was to basically end the film with the StumpJumper (82ish), so Charlie C and Jacquie fit in my plan. No one's really interviewed Charlie Cunningham on film before, and I thought that was important. No one had ever interviewed The Morrow Dirt Club, The Larkspur Canyon Gang or a bunch of the others, too. Again, not as easy as one might think to get to these guys. The 'easy' guys, like Gary, wouldn't even give me an interview at first. Gary said there were five other companies that had interviewed him trying to do the same film. He didn't want to waste any more of his time. I had read about some of the other projects, but in the end I'm the only one who finished. The film managed to get good reviews in the NY Times All Movie Guide, USA Today, The Miami Herald, Movie Maker Magazine, Movie Magazine International, STUFF Magazine, etc and pretty every bike magazine on the planet. I don't know any bike porn that's pulled any mainstream press at all, so I'm stoked. It has screened in over 100 film festivals around the world and won a few awards along the way. It's been broadcast on television in over 120 countries. It's on several international airlines in-flight programming. I think it's the only mountain bike film ever to get a PBS broadcast. It's been shown in museums and universities. It's raised more money for bicycle advocacy than I'll ever make back on it. I made some good friends in the course of making the film and it brought people together who had been estranged for years. 17 members of the cast have been inducted into the Mountain Bike Hall of Fame since I made the film. Most of them had been long forgotten by the industry, so it was nice to shine a light on them for a brief moment again. A lot happened along the way, both parents dying, a murder, a broken neck, and some wonderful things, too. It was an amazing experience, and CK was there for a lot of it, too. There are definitely things I would have done differently, too, but it was just me with my own money. I'm happy I made the film (my wife and kids, not so much), but I know I'll never pay it off. There were no agents, managers, p.r. people, sponsors or partners or any other advocates on my side. I was alone in this. I begged for every review, every package that went out, I sent. I wouldn't have had it any other way. I hope others try to make movies on the subject, but it certainly won't be me. Yesterday people had copies for sale on Amazon for $107.00. Insane. I just did a new run of discs and put them up today for less than retail. You can find them on my site if you're interested. Ride on.

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    ... You can find them on my site if you're interested. Ride on.
    So you made Klunkerz? So you are Billy Savage?

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    Thank you Mr Savage- I just bought one 3 seconds ago. Never saw it on PBS or anything so really excited to see it. It is on Amazon right now for $22. Cost me $25 with shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmarshall
    Thank you Mr Savage- I just bought one 3 seconds ago. Never saw it on PBS or anything so really excited to see it. It is on Amazon right now for $22. Cost me $25 with shipping.
    It is legend. Required viewing for sure.

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    The only thing legendary about me is my poor bicycle handling skills. I just made a movie about 'em. Although I did (briefly) lead a Penny Farthing race with a couple of legends. Ride on!


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    Thanks very much. I just made more money today on Klunkerz than I have in two years of foreign T.V. broadcasts. (They haven't paid me). I really appreciate it. I'll send it out today.

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    Hey,
    This thread is about Mr. Fisher, and I'd just like to say that The Man couldn't have been nicer (once I wore him down) about being part of Klunkerz. As CK will attest, we did have a few good times in places like Durango, Boise, and over in Scotland while promoting the film. Gary is a super busy guy, so his time is hard to come by, but when he commits to something, he commits full-bore. He and CK are known as the MountainBike guys, but they both are just as (if not more) fascinating off the bikes. If you get a chance to talk with them don't be afraid to let the conversation veer away from mountain bikes. You'll get your mind blown!

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    Anybody around here ever meet Gary? Ride with him?
    Yup...it was cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooterendo
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    I call BS.

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    I would have told the story a little differently but Billy did pretty well. Some of the people included were there because they became prominent later, but were not really influential on the earliest developments.

    Pretty well, CK? It'll take that. I don't think any of the cast was so kind to Stacy after Dogtown, though I didn't hear anyone complaining at the cast party (parties). CK knows all this stuff, but here's for the rest that might be interested. There was a reason the film had never been done before, though many had tried. To interview that many characters (that didn't necessarily get along at the time) and pack that much history into a 90 minute narrative is a bit of a trick. There's only so much you can do. It's filmmaking, and it's not as easy as some might think. The idea was to basically end the film with the StumpJumper (82ish), so Charlie C and Jacquie fit in my plan. No one's really interviewed Charlie Cunningham on film before, and I thought that was important. No one had ever interviewed The Morrow Dirt Club, The Larkspur Canyon Gang or a bunch of the others, too. Again, not as easy as one might think to get to these guys. The 'easy' guys, like Gary, wouldn't even give me an interview at first. Gary said there were five other companies that had interviewed him trying to do the same film. He didn't want to waste any more of his time. I had read about some of the other projects, but in the end I'm the only one who finished. The film managed to get good reviews in the NY Times All Movie Guide, USA Today, The Miami Herald, Movie Maker Magazine, Movie Magazine International, STUFF Magazine, etc and pretty every bike magazine on the planet. I don't know any bike porn that's pulled any mainstream press at all, so I'm stoked. It has screened in over 100 film festivals around the world and won a few awards along the way. It's been broadcast on television in over 120 countries. It's on several international airlines in-flight programming. I think it's the only mountain bike film ever to get a PBS broadcast. It's been shown in museums and universities. It's raised more money for bicycle advocacy than I'll ever make back on it. I made some good friends in the course of making the film and it brought people together who had been estranged for years. 17 members of the cast have been inducted into the Mountain Bike Hall of Fame since I made the film. Most of them had been long forgotten by the industry, so it was nice to shine a light on them for a brief moment again. A lot happened along the way, both parents dying, a murder, a broken neck, and some wonderful things, too. It was an amazing experience, and CK was there for a lot of it, too. There are definitely things I would have done differently, too, but it was just me with my own money. I'm happy I made the film (my wife and kids, not so much), but I know I'll never pay it off. There were no agents, managers, p.r. people, sponsors or partners or any other advocates on my side. I was alone in this. I begged for every review, every package that went out, I sent. I wouldn't have had it any other way. I hope others try to make movies on the subject, but it certainly won't be me. Yesterday people had copies for sale on Amazon for $107.00. Insane. I just did a new run of discs and put them up today for less than retail. You can find them on my site if you're interested. Ride on.

    You did an amazing job I thought, Billy. It's not an easy task to make it also enjoyable for a non-mountain biker. It was a job that needed to be done now and you pulled it off beautifully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Yup. Anyone who rides a mountain bike and lives in the bay area should do so.

    There are a whole lot of guys that have been left out of this discussion that deserve note, but I won't nit pick.

    CK has been a fantastic historian and patriarch of records as well.

    Having had the opportunity to ride and hang out with several historical types (on several occasions) is easily an MTB highlight for me.
    We're lucky to live where we do and these guys responsible for our passion are all so down to earth and inviting...shame not to acknowledge or know who they are.
    Cue the pics of the 30th anniversary of Repack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooterendo
    I just did a new run of discs and put them up today for less than retail. You can find them on my site if you're interested. Ride on.
    Thanks! Just picked one up also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Cue the pics of the 30th anniversary of Repack.
    I was thinking of the ride we did with JP, CK, and JB....you missed out on that one!
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    [QUOTE=Rumpfy]I call BS.

    Trick Photography. It's all Photoshop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Cue the pics of the 30th anniversary of Repack.
    How 'bout the 35th? Hope to see some of you in October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cobb
    This http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R906241000, is rad!! Play the mp3..
    My favorite part of that whole thing? I worked my ass off to score that airtime and get you guys booked on that show. Not one of the participants mentions me or the film...not once! If it wasn't for the DJ, nobody would have even known that the film was going to be on KQED. It is a great interview, though. Too funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterDave
    Rumor has it that in 2012 there will be a mountain biking display at the SFO Airport Museum (the only accredited airport museum in the US). Don't know much more than that, but I'm sure that the museum would be interested in any historic MTB related items. If any one has any items that they might want to loan the museum, drop me a PM and I'll see if I can put you in contact with someone from the museum.
    It's true. I've been helping to put the show together with the exhibit curator, Ramekon, who rides to the airport everyday. Doesn't own a car. Sweet. Gary, CK, Joe, Wende, Otis and others are already in and making contributions. I think Gary went for a ride with him recently. Anyway, the exhibit will run for six months. There will be art, bikes, ephemera, and clips from Klunkerz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooterendo
    It's true. I've been helping to put the show together with the exhibit curator, Ramekon, who rides to the airport everyday. Doesn't own a car. Sweet. Gary, CK, Joe, Wende, Otis and others are already in and making contributions. I think Gary went for a ride with him recently. Anyway, the exhibit will run for six months. There will be art, bikes, ephemera, and clips from Klunkerz.

    Didn't Charlie's Cunningham that he lent to the museum get stolen from there years ago? Probably not to anxious to lend them another. Hopefully they'll have some tighter security on it this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Didn't Charlie's Cunningham that he lent to the museum get stolen from there years ago? Probably not to anxious to lend them another. Hopefully they'll have some tighter security on it this time.
    For sure! I mentioned that to Ramekon. I think that was in a different terminal before it was an 'actual' museum. Now it's the real deal. To get accreditation I'm sure they have to have full security measures, guards, climate control, etc. Still, I imagine Mr. C won't be contributing any of his aluminum masterpieces this time around.

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    Klunkerz been very very good to me.

    It was tougher on Billy, and if there is any consolation for the money it continues to cost him, it is that he has made the definitive statement that cannot be topped and will stand for all time. No one else will ever bring that much passion to the project.

    Wander on over to his website, linked in this post, and click on the little button to the right of the poster so you can show the man some love.

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    Awesome how such an uninteresting question turns into an amazing thread. Great to see the OG's are still out there on their bikes and on the forums too.
    I just feel bad now that I saw Klunkerz via Netflix. They probably don't pay more than 0.2 cents for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ak77
    Awesome how such an uninteresting question turns into an amazing thread. Great to see the OG's are still out there on their bikes and on the forums too.
    I just feel bad now that I saw Klunkerz via Netflix. They probably don't pay more than 0.2 cents for that.
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    Best thread of the year so far.
    Awesome movie Mr. Savage!!
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    I Really wish I could find my original BMXA magazine from 1981 that has a story about the "new thing" Mtn Bikes; it had MountainBikes, Breezers, and I believe one other, a Klunker I believe may have been a Ritchey. I was a BMX racer and ten speed in the dirt riding angst filled aggro kid growing up in North Valley San Jose. I knew then I had to have one and that summer I purchased with lawnmowing, allowance and begging mom money a shiny 1982 model Stumpjumper sport mtn bike. I also have a Specialized Fat Tire Flyer shirt.

    At the time Specialized bicycles was located in the trade zone on N. 13th St. in San Jose.

    I, being a non driving kid rode my bike all over the San Jose Bay Area, Castle Rock, Big Basin, Santa Teresa, Alum Rock park and any bit of dirt path I could find.

    Marinites were far and away and to boot, not having an "in", I seriously doubt they would have been keen to cotton up to an aggro 14y.o. half breed kid from the south bay anyway. So I just kept pedaling, I took my Stumpy overseas with me when I enlisted in the Air Force in 1984. The only Mtn Bike on base until the Peugeot Alpina Sport showed up.

    I remember how WTB the brain child of Charlie C. pioneered the coveted RollerCam brakes, Grease Guard hubs and GG BB's.

    I remember chronically brinnelled 1" head sets 2-3 new headsets a year in the days before the 1-1/18 change!

    Bontrager Switchblade forks were the best.

    The original IBIS was bling cachet like the 2nd iteration are now - Steel Mojo's, the Silk Ti, the Bow Tie, the URT Szazbo

    Fat Chance Bicycles -

    The first Retrotecs-

    Bontragers too - the OR, the Race, the Race Lite

    Slingshot bikes - which in the early 90's were a hot ticket for the ride quality compared to full rigid bikes.

    Suspension used to be the fattest tire you could stuff between the fork legs.

    Tange Shockblades
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    Allsop Soft ride "suspend the rider" "not the bike" Stems and CF Beams

    Bullmoose handlebars and Stumpjumper tires, Hite Rites, and Mathauser Finned brake pads. I have all these items in crates, aside from the tires and brake pads, those got used up and binned.

    My Stumpy sport,
    My 1990 Trek 950
    My 1993 Cannondale Delta V700
    These listed wheels are in collection.

    Race shirts from the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Sizzler Classic, the First Quicksilver Mtn Bike race, the 1990 Dirt for Dimes race on private property adjacent to Calaveras rd. The Trees and Breeze on the Big Creek property. I never raced in the Rumpstomper, Rockhopper or the Repack, though I coveted to race in them.

    Gee someone in the Bike industry have a job for me?!

    There's a bit of my Mtn Bike Salt.

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    It was reported on Dec. 18th that a Netflix executive, Ted Sarandoz, bought a 5.5 million dollar house in Beverly Hills . He's the 11th highest paid person at Netflix. Kinda makes you want to work over there. .02 per spin is probably a little high. I was told Netflix bought something like 10 copies at at reduced rate, probably around $6.00 per copy, I got 60% of that, so around 36.00. Currently Klunkez has been rated 2055 times on Netflix, so each disc has been rented at least 200+ times, so I was actually paid slightly less than .02 per rental. If I got .02 per rental, I would have been paid $41.00 for the discs. That's only based on people who rated the film. Who knows how many people actually saw the film and didn't rate it? Interesting, no? If anyone remembers when they got the disc from Netflix if the disc had artwork printed on it or if it was just a blank disc, I would appreciate it. I didn't sign a deal that allowed them to replicate the disc, which they do with other films. All my inquiries to Netflix have gone unanswered, but they are busy. 20% of peak internet traffic, if the reports are correct. That's pretty amazing. Even if I knew something was up, which I doubt, I couldn't afford to have lawyers get into it, and even it they did, they're a 10+ billion dollar company now. I would just throw away more money on legal fees. This is the stuff they don't teach you in film school. They are getting thousands to folks know the story of Gary, CK and the rest, so that's cool. Ahhh...what a business.
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    My copy had artwork on it I believe, but I'm not sure since I payed more attention to the film than to the disc.
    Forty bucks for 2000 viewers is pretty poor I admit, but if it's any consolation to you I used to illegally download movies pretty often before I had Netflix. I completely stopped doing that. I'm surprised they pay you a fixed amount no matter how many views they get. Or is that just a matter of having better lawyers when you make the deal?

    I loved the movie, and I even learned a thing or two from it. Thanks for creating it.

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    Bingo. Things are different for movie makers in the MAFIAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBikerDan
    I Really wish I could find my original BMXA magazine from 1981 that has a story about the "new thing" Mtn Bikes; it had MountainBikes, Breezers, and I believe one other, a Klunker I believe may have been a Ritchey.
    I have it and scanned it for MTBR member Laffeaux's site called Old Mountain Bikes.

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    Good to know. Netflix seems like an amazing company. I wish I had stock. No doubt I made a bad deal and could have had a better lawyer back then. Legal is now about 25% of the budget. Hadn't planned on that one. But hey, as ever eloquent Repack Rider says, "it was the adventure of a lifetime." I met so many amazing people, and not just those legendary guys. Many of the coolest hang out on this very board. I got to get the story out to a bunch of people who had no idea, had some great rides, and made some good friends along the way. Even played a little guitar with Repack Rider. You can't put a price on that kind of fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBikerDan

    I remember how WTB the brain child of Charlie C. and Steve P. pioneered the coveted RollerCam brakes, Grease Guard hubs and GG BB's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky
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    The roller cam was definitely all Charlie, but the grease guard concept, I'm not sure... coulda been SP, coulda been CC, or could have been both. I'd guess Charlie since he was the mad tinkerer and SP the craftsman.

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    Just bought Klunkerz on Amazon. I started looking for it last week and there were none, then there were two for $50 and now the seller offer for $22. Purchased. Can't wait to see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    The roller cam was definitely all Charlie, but the grease guard concept, I'm not sure... coulda been SP, coulda been CC, or could have been both. I'd guess Charlie since he was the mad tinkerer and SP the craftsman.
    yes these two made some great stuff.
    I read it as:
    "I remember how WTB, the brain child of Charlie C, pioneered the coveted RollerCam brakes, Grease Guard hubs and GG BB's."

    I was just wanted to add another Legend name to this incredible thread and feel like I know something about the history of MTB
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    Thanks, MM. I appreciate it. There's three guys on Amazon today selling Klunkerz...one for $75, one for $49.99, and me. Craziness. Ya'll ready for Jerry Brown to come to your town?
    We're all hoping it's gonna be a positive change from the commute by jet Governator.
    ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooterendo
    Thanks, MM. I appreciate it. There's three guys on Amazon today selling Klunkerz...one for $75, one for $49.99, and me. Craziness. Ya'll ready for Jerry Brown to come to your town?
    We're all hoping it's gonna be a positive change from the commute by jet Governator.
    ;-)
    Hopefully he's as serious as he says about cutting spending and not increasing taxes without voter approval
    :wq

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBikerDan
    I Really wish I could find my original BMXA magazine from 1981 that has a story about the "new thing" Mtn Bikes; it had MountainBikes, Breezers, and I believe one other, a Klunker I believe may have been a Ritchey. I was a BMX racer and ten speed in the dirt riding angst filled aggro kid growing up in North Valley San Jose. I knew then I had to have one and that summer I purchased with lawnmowing, allowance and begging mom money a shiny 1982 model Stumpjumper sport mtn bike. I also have a Specialized Fat Tire Flyer shirt.

    At the time Specialized bicycles was located in the trade zone on N. 13th St. in San Jose.

    I, being a non driving kid rode my bike all over the San Jose Bay Area, Castle Rock, Big Basin, Santa Teresa, Alum Rock park and any bit of dirt path I could find.

    Marinites were far and away and to boot, not having an "in", I seriously doubt they would have been keen to cotton up to an aggro 14y.o. half breed kid from the south bay anyway. So I just kept pedaling, I took my Stumpy overseas with me when I enlisted in the Air Force in 1984. The only Mtn Bike on base until the Peugeot Alpina Sport showed up.

    I remember how WTB the brain child of Charlie C. pioneered the coveted RollerCam brakes, Grease Guard hubs and GG BB's.

    I remember chronically brinnelled 1" head sets 2-3 new headsets a year in the days before the 1-1/18 change!

    Bontrager Switchblade forks were the best.

    The original IBIS was bling cachet like the 2nd iteration are now - Steel Mojo's, the Silk Ti, the Bow Tie, the URT Szazbo

    Fat Chance Bicycles -

    The first Retrotecs-

    Bontragers too - the OR, the Race, the Race Lite

    Slingshot bikes - which in the early 90's were a hot ticket for the ride quality compared to full rigid bikes.

    Suspension used to be the fattest tire you could stuff between the fork legs.

    Tange Shockblades
    AMP Horst Forks
    Manitou Elastomer forks
    Girvin flex stems
    Allsop Soft ride "suspend the rider" "not the bike" Stems and CF Beams

    Bullmoose handlebars and Stumpjumper tires, Hite Rites, and Mathauser Finned brake pads. I have all these items in crates, aside from the tires and brake pads, those got used up and binned.

    My Stumpy sport,
    My 1990 Trek 950
    My 1993 Cannondale Delta V700
    These listed wheels are in collection.

    Race shirts from the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Sizzler Classic, the First Quicksilver Mtn Bike race, the 1990 Dirt for Dimes race on private property adjacent to Calaveras rd. The Trees and Breeze on the Big Creek property. I never raced in the Rumpstomper, Rockhopper or the Repack, though I coveted to race in them.

    Gee someone in the Bike industry have a job for me?!

    There's a bit of my Mtn Bike Salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Good list.
    A list only Rumpfy could love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    A list only Rumpfy could love.

    Whats wrong with Trek 950's and Flex stems!?
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    The Sinyard bashing seems a little harsh. He brought mountain biking to the masses. That is a good thing for the sport. He made it affordable. Not everybody could get their friends to weld them a new bike every few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooterendo
    It was reported on Dec. 18th that a Netflix executive, Ted Sarandoz, bought a 5.5 million dollar house in Beverly Hills . He's the 11th highest paid person at Netflix. Kinda makes you want to work over there. .02 per spin is probably a little high. I was told Netflix bought something like 10 copies at at reduced rate, probably around $6.00 per copy, I got 60% of that, so around 36.00. Currently Klunkez has been rated 2055 times on Netflix, so each disc has been rented at least 200+ times, so I was actually paid slightly less than .02 per rental. If I got .02 per rental, I would have been paid $41.00 for the discs. That's only based on people who rated the film. Who knows how many people actually saw the film and didn't rate it? Interesting, no? If anyone remembers when they got the disc from Netflix if the disc had artwork printed on it or if it was just a blank disc, I would appreciate it. I didn't sign a deal that allowed them to replicate the disc, which they do with other films. All my inquiries to Netflix have gone unanswered, but they are busy. 20% of peak internet traffic, if the reports are correct. That's pretty amazing. Even if I knew something was up, which I doubt, I couldn't afford to have lawyers get into it, and even it they did, they're a 10+ billion dollar company now. I would just throw away more money on legal fees. This is the stuff they don't teach you in film school. They are getting thousands to folks know the story of Gary, CK and the rest, so that's cool. Ahhh...what a business.
    A buddy of mine worked at netflix, and told me some crazy statistic like they don't expect any disc to make it past 5 rentals before it needs to be replaced. I COULD be wrong because the only time I'm ever hanging out with him anymore is when we drink A LOT of beer, but if that number is anywhere close to correct then it sounds like you're getting hosed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoGordo
    Best thread of the year so far.
    Awesome movie Mr. Savage!!
    posting in a legendary thread.

    i'm guessing it's gonna be one of the best threads for the rest of the year.

    i haven't seen the movie, but will soon.

    makes me wish i had a vintage mtb. drooled over the cunninghams, ritcheys, ibises, salsas, then as i do now.

    glad i started riding in '85, and did race the rumpstomper and rockhopper back-in-the-day.

    gonna go reminisce and look at old norba news issues, 1st issue of mountainbike action, and the pt. reyes bikes catalogue now.
    will you rep me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moschika
    makes me wish i had a vintage mtb. drooled over the cunninghams, ritcheys, ibises, salsas, then as i do now.

    It can be a slippery slope once you make the cross over to owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    I have it and scanned it for MTBR member Laffeaux's site called Old Mountain Bikes.
    Sweet As!!!!! Wow, that long term data storage of mine still has a bit of it's integrity!

    Thanks for the link!

    I was going to mention the "Champion" truss on the main triangle, but figured only BMXers from that era would know what I was talking about.
    Earn your turns. )'(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Good list.




    Oooh - 737 SPDs!!!!!! I got me a pair of those too!
    Earn your turns. )'(

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