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    We all know that Mountain Biking was pioneered by Rodney Rom. Just ask him http://www.completesite.com/mbhof/pa...4&memberid=154
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    I heard Alan Bonds was involved early on, while the 3 amigos lived together in San Anselmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooderdude
    I heard Alan Bonds was involved early on, while the 3 amigos lived together in San Anselmo.
    AB was inducted into the MBHoF recently for that exact reason.
    It don't mean a feng if it ain't got that
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky
    We all know that Mountain Biking was pioneered by Rodney Rom. Just ask him http://www.completesite.com/mbhof/pa...4&memberid=154
    Yawn. I could fill a library with the stories of people who "invented mountain biking" before I ever hit a trail.

    The idea of mountain biking is hardly new and it pre-dates Rodney by plenty. The French guys in the 'fifties and John Finley Scott in 1953 all had the basic idea of modifying bikes for off-road before Rodney learned how to ride a bike. Joe Breeze built the first modern version before Gary and I ever thought about a bike related business.

    If building off-road bikes was all it took to start the sport we know today, mountain biking would have taken over the cycling world 25 years before it did.

    The difference between all the other people who had the same idea earlier and us is that we put brand new bikes designed and built from the ground up on the market and started advertising them, the step every other "inventor" didn't take. All those others had the chance, but failed to SELL the bikes and the sport to other people. When the world decided mountain biking was a good idea, the bikes that were copied down to the last detail were the new bikes we were selling, not hybrid bikes like Rodney's and Scott's that had been a stage on our journey. We didn't stop there. They did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    The difference between all the other people who had the same idea earlier and us is that we put brand new bikes designed and built from the ground up on the market and started advertising them, the step every other "inventor" didn't take. All those others had the chance, but failed to SELL the bikes and the sport to other people. When the world decided mountain biking was a good idea, the bikes that were copied down to the last detail were the new bikes we were selling, not hybrid bikes like Rodney's and Scott's that had been a stage on our journey. We didn't stop there. They did.
    Maybe that was because the others couldn't deal with the funny looks people must have given you when you promoted a bicycle as intended for the dirt, rather than the "safety" of the road. They probably thought you were crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkyJay
    They probably thought you were crazy.
    I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.
    It don't mean a feng if it ain't got that
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    [QUOTE=Repack Rider]I would have told the story a little differently but Billy did pretty well. Some of the people included were there because they became prominent later, but were not really influential on the earliest developments.

    Pretty well, CK? It'll take that. I don't think any of the cast was so kind to Stacy after Dogtown, though I didn't hear anyone complaining at the cast party (parties). CK knows all this stuff, but here's for the rest that might be interested. There was a reason the film had never been done before, though many had tried. To interview that many characters (that didn't necessarily get along at the time) and pack that much history into a 90 minute narrative is a bit of a trick. There's only so much you can do. It's filmmaking, and it's not as easy as some might think. The idea was to basically end the film with the StumpJumper (82ish), so Charlie C and Jacquie fit in my plan. No one's really interviewed Charlie Cunningham on film before, and I thought that was important. No one had ever interviewed The Morrow Dirt Club, The Larkspur Canyon Gang or a bunch of the others, too. Again, not as easy as one might think to get to these guys. The 'easy' guys, like Gary, wouldn't even give me an interview at first. Gary said there were five other companies that had interviewed him trying to do the same film. He didn't want to waste any more of his time. I had read about some of the other projects, but in the end I'm the only one who finished. The film managed to get good reviews in the NY Times All Movie Guide, USA Today, The Miami Herald, Movie Maker Magazine, Movie Magazine International, STUFF Magazine, etc and pretty every bike magazine on the planet. I don't know any bike porn that's pulled any mainstream press at all, so I'm stoked. It has screened in over 100 film festivals around the world and won a few awards along the way. It's been broadcast on television in over 120 countries. It's on several international airlines in-flight programming. I think it's the only mountain bike film ever to get a PBS broadcast. It's been shown in museums and universities. It's raised more money for bicycle advocacy than I'll ever make back on it. I made some good friends in the course of making the film and it brought people together who had been estranged for years. 17 members of the cast have been inducted into the Mountain Bike Hall of Fame since I made the film. Most of them had been long forgotten by the industry, so it was nice to shine a light on them for a brief moment again. A lot happened along the way, both parents dying, a murder, a broken neck, and some wonderful things, too. It was an amazing experience, and CK was there for a lot of it, too. There are definitely things I would have done differently, too, but it was just me with my own money. I'm happy I made the film (my wife and kids, not so much), but I know I'll never pay it off. There were no agents, managers, p.r. people, sponsors or partners or any other advocates on my side. I was alone in this. I begged for every review, every package that went out, I sent. I wouldn't have had it any other way. I hope others try to make movies on the subject, but it certainly won't be me. Yesterday people had copies for sale on Amazon for $107.00. Insane. I just did a new run of discs and put them up today for less than retail. You can find them on my site if you're interested. Ride on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooterendo
    ... You can find them on my site if you're interested. Ride on.
    So you made Klunkerz? So you are Billy Savage?

    Man, this thread is full of legends.


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    Thank you Mr Savage- I just bought one 3 seconds ago. Never saw it on PBS or anything so really excited to see it. It is on Amazon right now for $22. Cost me $25 with shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmarshall
    Thank you Mr Savage- I just bought one 3 seconds ago. Never saw it on PBS or anything so really excited to see it. It is on Amazon right now for $22. Cost me $25 with shipping.
    It is legend. Required viewing for sure.

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    The only thing legendary about me is my poor bicycle handling skills. I just made a movie about 'em. Although I did (briefly) lead a Penny Farthing race with a couple of legends. Ride on!


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    Thanks very much. I just made more money today on Klunkerz than I have in two years of foreign T.V. broadcasts. (They haven't paid me). I really appreciate it. I'll send it out today.

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    Hey,
    This thread is about Mr. Fisher, and I'd just like to say that The Man couldn't have been nicer (once I wore him down) about being part of Klunkerz. As CK will attest, we did have a few good times in places like Durango, Boise, and over in Scotland while promoting the film. Gary is a super busy guy, so his time is hard to come by, but when he commits to something, he commits full-bore. He and CK are known as the MountainBike guys, but they both are just as (if not more) fascinating off the bikes. If you get a chance to talk with them don't be afraid to let the conversation veer away from mountain bikes. You'll get your mind blown!

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    Quote Originally Posted by erik1245
    Anybody around here ever meet Gary? Ride with him?
    Yup...it was cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooterendo
    The only thing legendary about me is my poor bicycle handling skills.

    I call BS.

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    [QUOTE=scooterendo]
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    I would have told the story a little differently but Billy did pretty well. Some of the people included were there because they became prominent later, but were not really influential on the earliest developments.

    Pretty well, CK? It'll take that. I don't think any of the cast was so kind to Stacy after Dogtown, though I didn't hear anyone complaining at the cast party (parties). CK knows all this stuff, but here's for the rest that might be interested. There was a reason the film had never been done before, though many had tried. To interview that many characters (that didn't necessarily get along at the time) and pack that much history into a 90 minute narrative is a bit of a trick. There's only so much you can do. It's filmmaking, and it's not as easy as some might think. The idea was to basically end the film with the StumpJumper (82ish), so Charlie C and Jacquie fit in my plan. No one's really interviewed Charlie Cunningham on film before, and I thought that was important. No one had ever interviewed The Morrow Dirt Club, The Larkspur Canyon Gang or a bunch of the others, too. Again, not as easy as one might think to get to these guys. The 'easy' guys, like Gary, wouldn't even give me an interview at first. Gary said there were five other companies that had interviewed him trying to do the same film. He didn't want to waste any more of his time. I had read about some of the other projects, but in the end I'm the only one who finished. The film managed to get good reviews in the NY Times All Movie Guide, USA Today, The Miami Herald, Movie Maker Magazine, Movie Magazine International, STUFF Magazine, etc and pretty every bike magazine on the planet. I don't know any bike porn that's pulled any mainstream press at all, so I'm stoked. It has screened in over 100 film festivals around the world and won a few awards along the way. It's been broadcast on television in over 120 countries. It's on several international airlines in-flight programming. I think it's the only mountain bike film ever to get a PBS broadcast. It's been shown in museums and universities. It's raised more money for bicycle advocacy than I'll ever make back on it. I made some good friends in the course of making the film and it brought people together who had been estranged for years. 17 members of the cast have been inducted into the Mountain Bike Hall of Fame since I made the film. Most of them had been long forgotten by the industry, so it was nice to shine a light on them for a brief moment again. A lot happened along the way, both parents dying, a murder, a broken neck, and some wonderful things, too. It was an amazing experience, and CK was there for a lot of it, too. There are definitely things I would have done differently, too, but it was just me with my own money. I'm happy I made the film (my wife and kids, not so much), but I know I'll never pay it off. There were no agents, managers, p.r. people, sponsors or partners or any other advocates on my side. I was alone in this. I begged for every review, every package that went out, I sent. I wouldn't have had it any other way. I hope others try to make movies on the subject, but it certainly won't be me. Yesterday people had copies for sale on Amazon for $107.00. Insane. I just did a new run of discs and put them up today for less than retail. You can find them on my site if you're interested. Ride on.

    You did an amazing job I thought, Billy. It's not an easy task to make it also enjoyable for a non-mountain biker. It was a job that needed to be done now and you pulled it off beautifully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Yup. Anyone who rides a mountain bike and lives in the bay area should do so.

    There are a whole lot of guys that have been left out of this discussion that deserve note, but I won't nit pick.

    CK has been a fantastic historian and patriarch of records as well.

    Having had the opportunity to ride and hang out with several historical types (on several occasions) is easily an MTB highlight for me.
    We're lucky to live where we do and these guys responsible for our passion are all so down to earth and inviting...shame not to acknowledge or know who they are.
    Cue the pics of the 30th anniversary of Repack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooterendo
    I just did a new run of discs and put them up today for less than retail. You can find them on my site if you're interested. Ride on.
    Thanks! Just picked one up also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Cue the pics of the 30th anniversary of Repack.
    I was thinking of the ride we did with JP, CK, and JB....you missed out on that one!
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    [QUOTE=Rumpfy]I call BS.

    Trick Photography. It's all Photoshop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Cue the pics of the 30th anniversary of Repack.
    How 'bout the 35th? Hope to see some of you in October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cobb
    This http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R906241000, is rad!! Play the mp3..
    My favorite part of that whole thing? I worked my ass off to score that airtime and get you guys booked on that show. Not one of the participants mentions me or the film...not once! If it wasn't for the DJ, nobody would have even known that the film was going to be on KQED. It is a great interview, though. Too funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterDave
    Rumor has it that in 2012 there will be a mountain biking display at the SFO Airport Museum (the only accredited airport museum in the US). Don't know much more than that, but I'm sure that the museum would be interested in any historic MTB related items. If any one has any items that they might want to loan the museum, drop me a PM and I'll see if I can put you in contact with someone from the museum.
    It's true. I've been helping to put the show together with the exhibit curator, Ramekon, who rides to the airport everyday. Doesn't own a car. Sweet. Gary, CK, Joe, Wende, Otis and others are already in and making contributions. I think Gary went for a ride with him recently. Anyway, the exhibit will run for six months. There will be art, bikes, ephemera, and clips from Klunkerz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooterendo
    It's true. I've been helping to put the show together with the exhibit curator, Ramekon, who rides to the airport everyday. Doesn't own a car. Sweet. Gary, CK, Joe, Wende, Otis and others are already in and making contributions. I think Gary went for a ride with him recently. Anyway, the exhibit will run for six months. There will be art, bikes, ephemera, and clips from Klunkerz.

    Didn't Charlie's Cunningham that he lent to the museum get stolen from there years ago? Probably not to anxious to lend them another. Hopefully they'll have some tighter security on it this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Didn't Charlie's Cunningham that he lent to the museum get stolen from there years ago? Probably not to anxious to lend them another. Hopefully they'll have some tighter security on it this time.
    For sure! I mentioned that to Ramekon. I think that was in a different terminal before it was an 'actual' museum. Now it's the real deal. To get accreditation I'm sure they have to have full security measures, guards, climate control, etc. Still, I imagine Mr. C won't be contributing any of his aluminum masterpieces this time around.

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