• 01-05-2011
    Rumpfy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MtnBikerDan
    Oooh - 737 SPDs!!!!!! I got me a pair of those too!

    Heavy as hell but they work great! :thumbsup:
  • 01-05-2011
    moschika
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    It can be a slippery slope once you make the cross over to owner. :p

    haha. i know all about that slope with vintage road racing bikes. i don't think i could fit another 10 bikes, mtbs at that in my shed!
  • 01-05-2011
    Leopold Porkstacker
    Wow, I was under the impression that everyone who rides mountain bikes here in California had seen the Klunkerz documentary. I guess that was just a lame assumption on my part! FOLKS!!!!!!! REQUIRED NETFLIX RENTAL (or just go and buy the DVD instead of being a cheapass!!!)
  • 01-06-2011
    jbt56
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scooterendo
    Thanks, MM. I appreciate it. There's three guys on Amazon today selling Klunkerz...one for $75, one for $49.99, and me. Craziness. Ya'll ready for Jerry Brown to come to your town?
    We're all hoping it's gonna be a positive change from the commute by jet Governator.
    ;-)

    Bought my copy of Klunkers many months ago from Amazon, in fact sent a couple emails back and forth to you (accidentally ordered two!). GREAT film, although I'm sure people will argue the accuracy for years to come. Although I was young (HS class of '80), it seemed accurate enough to me. What amazes me is the amount of original film footage there is... It's like they knew....
    And you had to bring up Moonbeam, huh? Well, he does seem a lot grumpier these days, so maybe he'll be slightly more realistic.
    Does he still have his Plymouth Valiant? :D
  • 01-06-2011
    nachomc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker
    Wow, I was under the impression that everyone who rides mountain bikes here in California had seen the Klunkerz documentary. I guess that was just a lame assumption on my part! FOLKS!!!!!!! REQUIRED NETFLIX RENTAL (or just go and buy the DVD instead of being a cheapass!!!)

    Looking forward to it showing up. It was shipped same day :cool: :thumbsup:
  • 01-06-2011
    Zen_Turtle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scooterendo
    Thanks, MM. I appreciate it. There's three guys on Amazon today selling Klunkerz...one for $75, one for $49.99, and me. Craziness. Ya'll ready for Jerry Brown to come to your town?
    We're all hoping it's gonna be a positive change from the commute by jet Governator.
    ;-)

    I have seen the movie and now I just ordered on amazon for $22.99 and I'll be ordering a couple more as gifts to friends.

    I think we met at Interbike this year at the Illy espresso bar. I was wearing the mtbr t-shirt.
    You told me your story and I was stoked for the rest of the day: walked away without drinking my espresso... didn't need it. :eekster:

    Too bad you haven't been able to fully monetize your work, but you have done a great service to our sport. Thank you for that!

    ZT
  • 01-06-2011
    General Hickey
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by StanleyButterfly
    The Sinyard bashing seems a little harsh. He brought mountain biking to the masses. That is a good thing for the sport. He made it affordable. Not everybody could get their friends to weld them a new bike every few months.

    Required reading:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...48731#poststop

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?...7&postcount=26

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...98#post2246298

    My apologies, I'm not trying to turn this into a Sinyard bashing thread, but his reputation certainly deserved. Spesh won't be getting my money if I can help it.
  • 01-06-2011
    chuckha62
    Just purchased a copy of Klunkerz and am looking forward to seeing it, Thanks!


    Quick Question... I see John Castelano up here (Santa Rosa) all the time. I know he's a legendary designer, but where/when does he factor into all this? Was he about the time of the Ibis folks, or what? Knowing John, I know he would fit right in as a bonafide "character". I'm just not too familiar with the timeline of history. I suspect he is well after the fact of the guys being discussed in this thread.

    Just curious, is all.

    Chuck
  • 01-06-2011
    TahoeBC
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chuckha62
    John Castelano
    Just curious, is all.

    I'm no expert on the history, I believe he invented the "Unified rear triangle" suspension. He is indeed a character, the one time I rode with him he grabbed his box of red rubber bands off a shelf in the garage and put one on his right leg jeans to keep it out of the drive train, then took off in a t-shirt and jeans and proceeded to kick our butts all over Annadale :D

    Bought a dvd a couple days ago on Amazon as I never got around to seeing the flick, looking forward to it.
  • 01-06-2011
    BitterDave
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scooterendo
    For sure! I mentioned that to Ramekon. I think that was in a different terminal before it was an 'actual' museum. Now it's the real deal. To get accreditation I'm sure they have to have full security measures, guards, climate control, etc. Still, I imagine Mr. C won't be contributing any of his aluminum masterpieces this time around.

    I'm told that the bike was stolen around 15 years ago. The SFO museum is now accredited. There is security (it's inside airport), insurance, condition reports, and other "proper procedures" that museums must follow. I don't know if the cases that will be used will be climate controlled, but I believe that they monitor the temps and humidity of them. The square steel and glass cases that you see throughout the airport are probably worth more than the items inside. I'm told each case costs $250,000. Hopefully the displays won't be a "security area", cuz otherwise we will have to be groped by TSA.

    I've already asked if I can ride any of the bikes through terminal on the conveyor belts. I'm told "no", but I'll keep asking. :D

    Update: I'm told that the cases are climate controlled and alarmed.
  • 01-06-2011
    rangeriderdave
    John Castelano
    I first met John in the early 90s on a group at Briones ,we rode on Wednesdays . Sometime around 93 he showed up with the prototype of the first sweetspot.Ibis was the first to build one for production.Schwinn,WTB,Rocky Mountain, Breezer,and Control Tech built URT bikes designed by John.Although he wasn't around for the first mountain bike development he was one of the first for rear suspension. Super cool to talk to,he makes good beer too.
  • 01-06-2011
    chuckha62
    I know John through another of his hobbies, but we have never sat down and chatted bikes. He's wicked smart and a helluva lot of fun. The last time I ran into him (almost literally) he was on his new Zorro, on North Burma. He was shirtless and wearing corduroy jeans with the aforementioned rubberband on his right leg to keep out of the sprocket. He's a trip! Super nice guy, but a trip.
  • 01-06-2011
    TahoeBC
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chuckha62
    he was on his new Zorro

  • 01-06-2011
    Piranha426
    WhatisthatIdon'teven. :eekster:
  • 01-06-2011
    chuckha62
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TahoeBC

    That's the one! ...set up as a 69er.
  • 01-07-2011
    TahoeBC
    Well Billy

    I have to say I'm pissed that it took two whole days to get my copy after I put in my order, you really need to work on your customer satisfaction skills :p

    But seriously what I'm really pissed about is that I've never watched the movie until now, I really really enjoyed it. What stood out to me is how much these guys seemed to really enjoy talking about what went down and they all seem to be big kids at heart still in love with there bikes. I just want to go out and have a beer with these guys in particularly I enjoyed the Joe Breeze interviews.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jbt56
    What amazes me is the amount of original film footage there is... It's like they knew....

    Not sure if you found the segment on this in the extra features. Without being a spoiler, it's definitely worth the watch on how the guy was tracked down who filmed this super 8 footage, and how he did it was just pure gold.
  • 01-07-2011
    TahoeBC
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Piranha426
    WhatisthatIdon'teven. :eekster:

    This bike can be set up in a number of configurations depending on the shocks and tire combo's you put on it. 4 to 6 inch's of travel, 26er, 29er, 69er. Single speed or geared. If you ever see how nimble John is on this bike, it just makes you want to go out and buy one. Perfect bike for the single speeder that whats some suspension.
  • 01-07-2011
    EBrider
    My Klunkerz disc arrived yesterday. I borrowed one from a friend a while back, so not sure when I will watch it. Its good to have one for the collection though.
  • 01-07-2011
    nachomc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by EBrider
    My Klunkerz disc arrived yesterday. I borrowed one from a friend a while back, so not sure when I will watch it. Its good to have one for the collection though.

    Got mine last night too :thumbsup: Wife was working late so I watched it as soon as I opened the mail :cool:
  • 01-07-2011
    Swell Guy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TahoeBC

    That's hilarious. With rat-traps too. Haven't used those in years. Is that a single-speed?
  • 01-07-2011
    fc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Swell Guy
    That's hilarious. With rat-traps too. Haven't used those in years. Is that a single-speed?

    That's Castellano's personal bike. He keeps trying to make me ride it.

    fc
  • 01-07-2011
    tburger
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Swell Guy
    That's hilarious. With rat-traps too. Haven't used those in years. Is that a single-speed?

    A few of us had the pleasure of chasing him down Oat Hill Mine. He showed us all the fun lines, too! :D
  • 01-07-2011
    Fast Eddy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chuckha62
    I know John through another of his hobbies, but we have never sat down and chatted bikes. He's wicked smart and a helluva lot of fun. The last time I ran into him (almost literally) he was on his new Zorro, on North Burma. He was shirtless and wearing corduroy jeans with the aforementioned rubberband on his right leg to keep out of the sprocket. He's a trip! Super nice guy, but a trip.

    John is a regular at Boggs for May by the Bay. He's happy to talk bikes and let you ride that one or a Silk Ti his SO is usually riding.
  • 01-07-2011
    nachomc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fast Eddy
    John is a regular at Boggs for May by the Bay. He's happy to talk bikes and let you ride that one or a Silk Ti his SO is usually riding.

    He usually shows at Rockville too.
  • 01-08-2011
    cmdrpiffle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Klunkerz been very very good to me.

    It was tougher on Billy, and if there is any consolation for the money it continues to cost him, it is that he has made the definitive statement that cannot be topped and will stand for all time. No one else will ever bring that much passion to the project.

    Wander on over to his website, linked in this post, and click on the little button to the right of the poster so you can show the man some love.

    Did just that just now:thumbsup:
  • 01-09-2011
    TheMachinist
    I finally saw Klunkerz tonight. Great film! Thanks for the history lesson, Billy.

    BTW - It was from Netflix and it had the artwork on the disc.
  • 01-10-2011
    rzims
    I bought the klunkerz movie a year or so ago....awesome!
    BTW - that zorro reminds me of an old Homegrown I used to own....
  • 01-10-2011
    metrotuned
    Castellano: Real Men Ride in Jeans.
  • 01-15-2011
    chuckha62
    Just got back from a week on Kauai and my Klunkerz video was waiting. Watched it this morning and really enjoyed it. Thanks!

    Question for Billy... Did this show in any local "Arthouse" theaters? If it did, I missed it. If it didn't (at least near Santa Rosa), is it too late to organize some sort of event?

    Chuck
  • 01-15-2011
    GuruAtma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chuckha62
    Just got back from a week on Kauai and my Klunkerz video was waiting. Watched it this morning and really enjoyed it. Thanks!

    Question for Billy... Did this show in any local "Arthouse" theaters? If it did, I missed it. If it didn't (at least near Santa Rosa), is it too late to organize some sort of event?

    Chuck

    Soon after it came out the Sonoma Trails Council had a viewing at the Rialto in conjunction with guided rides at Annadel and beer and such. It was really fun.
  • 01-16-2011
    goto11
    Hi, Charlie. How's it going?
  • 01-17-2011
    goto11
    Klunker porn
    It's a pain to re-post all the images here, but you can go to http://marinmtb.com/stories/klunker to see pictures of my Klunker, complete with Morrow coaster brake and Bontrager Switchblade fork. I have swapped the bar back to the original swept-back one because it rides too harshly with a flat bar. It climbs and descends like a champ now. Too bad I left it at work, or I'd go take it for a ride now... Guess I'll take the Bontrager Race Lite instead.


    I don't claim to have invented ****, but everyone in Marin was trying to put gears on dirt bikes (myself included). The difference was, as CK said, that they made brand new bikes that had all the work done for you. My parents each bought one from Gary back in the day. He and Charlie are great people. I've had the pleasure of meeting them on several occasions. My dad is Charlie's dentist. I'm 37 and grew up in San Anselmo, so Billy's film really brought it all together for me. Excellent work. Excellent forum. Now I'm gonna go ride! You'll see me on the rasta pre-Trek Bontrager at China Camp in a half hour.
  • 01-17-2011
    cmdrpiffle
    And my $0.02....

    I purchased it online last week from Amazon. Had it in my hands I think 3 days later. Billy sent a note thanking me for the purchase.

    I was kinda blown away. All this stuff was so local. A really well put together film, funky soundtrack, absolute blast to watch.

    If you can afford about $25.00, purchase a copy from Billy. I'm well aware several of us could borrow copies, but it's not the same. I say pay yers monies and show the love!
    Support those who worked to bring all of this together.

    Cheers!
  • 01-17-2011
    Piranha426
    Yup!! I just got my copy last week, and since the b/f and I are getting a new flat-screen TV today, we figure we're gonna have a little MTB Film Fest:

    1. Klunkerz
    2. Women of Dirt
    3. LifeCycles (on Blu-Ray!!!)

    I can't wait! :thumbsup:
  • 01-17-2011
    Repack Rider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by goto11
    My dad is Charlie's dentist. I'm 37 and grew up in San Anselmo, so Billy's film really brought it all together for me.

    This poster's dad (my dentist) bought a couple of bikes from us, and it is my understanding that they are still in good condition and hugely collectible.
  • 01-17-2011
    slocaus
    No kidding! Not a Mountain Bikes brand, but look what this collectible BMX 26" cruiser went for on eBay, just under $6500.00!
  • 01-20-2011
    Itswitz
    [QUOTE=Gregg K] I'll always remember Tom's first hand built bike. That was probably 1971. A road bike. QUOTE]


    I REMEMBER THAT ROAD BIKE !!! I saw it at the Endspurt criterium, in south san fran, more like '74, tho i think. im sure thats what it was, the paint was still wet. It was the most beautiful, ... the First really beautiful bicycle i ever saw. like jewlery!

    Gary's like the Duke, royalty for sure but CK's the King. Long Live the King

    Hayy, Im in KLUNKERZ too.

    btw; i just posted a classified ad for Ten Acres in Moab Utah where I have lived for twenty-five years. IT'S HAD ALMOST 1000 HITS IN FOUR HOURS !!!
    I'm allowed to mention it in two forum posts. but YOU can mention it too. <http://classifieds.mtbr.com/showproduct.php?product=59797&cat=>
  • 01-21-2011
    Itswitz
    How's a >better> rider>
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Gary was Cat I and a fixture in the NorCal top ten. .


    Hayy R.R. ....... "Top Ten" ?!?! Let's not rewrite history, eh!

    The origianal question was "who was the better rider, you or Gary"?

    You seem to quantify quality and qualify quantity. - as in more and/or faster is "better".

    I disagree. A happy, local, utility rider may actually be at an advantage over a super fit racer type ......Happy vs Accomplished. For examble, one rider makes the whole mt. Tam loop in two hours, where you may spend ALL day out. Does this make the first "better"?

    In america. most cyclists ride for recreation/health. In most third world countries, cycling is a utility neccesity (see my profile pic, taken at an airport in India). Who's the better rider, the funtime guy, or the one keeping pollution down?

    Not that Gary isn't a Happy guy ...( besides, isn't it our Guarantee to Pursue Happiness). There is NO question that Gary;s contribution to cycling is great - as is yours ... and Joey, and EK, and .....a cast of thousands.

    I only suggest that you re-enter integers into the formulae to find that all sides balance. We're ALL better just for riding!

    Peace and Perspirety,

    Witz
  • 01-21-2011
    Itswitz
    Bike Names
    [QUOTE=erik1245]
    I guess GF gets a lot of solo credit because he's got a good-sized bike company, and each of his bikes has his name on it. QUOTE]

    Ironically, until the Fisher bike came along, almost EVERY bike had its MAKERS name on it; Cinelli, Mazi, ... Schwinn, ... Breeze(r), Ritchey, uh, name some others....

    Then came Fisher (built by someone else) and Specialized (sic) .... no discredit to Gary ....

    of course there was Trailmaster (Koski; i still have mine) .. somewhat understated in mtB history.

    Quote:


    Joe Breeze is the Greatest of them all! IMhO
  • 01-21-2011
    Itswitz
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    mt Tam Cruiserz
    i just wanted to add this pic of mt. Tam cruiserz
  • 01-05-2013
    BudMelman
    Got the Klunkerz DVD through amazon for Christmas.

    Excellent movie.

    Thanks Billy Savage for puttin' it together.

    We used to ride our bikes everywhere as kids growing up in the 70s. Coaster brake, banana saddle, ape hanger handlebars. Some guys had the big muscle car like 3 speed shifter on the top tube that would get ya if you came forward off the saddle.
  • 01-06-2013
    Repack Rider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itswitz View Post
    i just wanted to add this pic of mt. Tam cruiserz

    I'm trying to imagine racing downhill on a fixed gear.
  • 01-06-2013
    scooterendo
    Thanks for the kind words about the film, ya'll. I could have never done it if CK and Gary hadn't been so supportive. After all, it's really their story. P.S. I'm putting in posters and postcards with every disc until I run out, which isn't likely to happen... ever. :-)
  • 01-06-2013
    goto11
    Collectibles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    This poster's dad (my dentist) bought a couple of bikes from us, and it is my understanding that they are still in good condition and hugely collectible.

    Hey CK: This is Dr. Smith's son, Kevin. By now you should have received my dad's retirement announcement letter. Perhaps he'll get back on the bike more often now that he's retired (unfortunately, I fear the golf course will win out - blech).

    Dad's bike is a 20" metallic charcoal gray Ritchey in great condition, except that the original bullmoose bars are gone (maybe buried in the garage somewhere?) and some parts needed to be replaced due to breakage or wear.

    Mom's bike is a pristine 16" metallic blue Ritchey with all original parts, Deore (Stag head) derailleurs, handmade fillet-brazed bullmoose bars and tear-drop polished aluminum thumb shifters.

    I'm 6' 1" and Dad's bike fits me, but the geometry of the day made for too-tall top tubes. Mom's 16" bike is better in terms of stand-over clearance, but the top tube is too short. I wish I could ride one of them as a practical around town bike, but in reality they probably belong in a museum. In any case, mountain biking is a deep love of mine and my brothers'.

    You were at my riding buddy Russell's house down the street moving his piano awhile back. I had shown him Klunkers and introduced him to the sport. He said, "you'll never guess who my piano mover was. He walked in my garage and went straight to my bike [a black Intense]." I guessed it was you right away ;). Small world. See you around.