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    Finally - A Marin Reporter gets the story right about Mountain Bike Access in Marin!

    This is refreshing. The Marin IJ could learn a thing or two about researching a story and sticking to the facts. Check it out!

    Bikers want more as county backtracks on trails | The Point Reyes Light

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    The Point Reyes Light has won the Pulitzer Prize for Meritorious Public Service.

    The "I.J." probably never will.


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    This is refreshing. The Marin IJ could learn a thing or two about researching a story and sticking to the facts. Check it out!

    Bikers want more as county backtracks on trails | The Point Reyes Light

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    “This plan is in its final stages after a three-year ordeal,” he continued. “To have an inflammatory presentation seemed confusing and deliberate. It seemed to be a convenient distraction to pull attention away from our numbers.”

    ^nice


    "According to a survey of trail users by the parks department, nearly one-quarter of users are mountain bikers, compared to 0.4 percent use by equestrians. But bikers have access to only one-quarter of narrow trails, while 91 percent are available to horses, Mr. Huffman said."

    ^and this is why real change is not only possible, but an inevitable certainty--the only question is timing

    Shit, hard to believe I moved to a place that decriminalized dope before mountain biking, crazy place this county...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad h View Post
    bikers have access to only one-quarter of narrow trails,
    There is no way it is this high! If we had legal access to 25% of the overall ST, I don't think there would be much of an access issue.

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    Very good article (makes it all the more obvious what an embarassment the IJ is). But I would like to know where are those "one-quarter of narrow trails" to which mountain bikers supposedly have legal access. I suspect it is more like 2%.

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    Our numbers are pretty accurate. We took them right off of county maps and compared them to Strava data and our own GPS work. Of course, social trails or non-system trails are not incorporated into this data. Here is a number you might agree with:

    MMWD: 0% single track access for mountain bikes. ZERO PERCENT! A4B finds this fact outrageous and will be seeing new leaders in the 2014 election. Stay tuned to that.

    There are more good trail statistics here:

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    vernonator - I am really impressed by the A4B website! The "facts" and trail wish list are awesome sections. I am looking forward to the day when I can manage to get up to Marin, ride Tamarancho (for the first time) and get an A4B T at Gestalt Haus. Keep up the good work!
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    Drop A4B a message on our FB page if you get up here. We'll meet up at Gestalt and get your report of Tamarancho, only the best 10 miles of trail in the Bay Area. Ok, I'm biased, I helped build it.

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    Great article, nice work Vernon
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    Finally - A Marin Reporter gets the story right about Mountain Bike Access in...

    We need to get younger board members into the water district; it needs major reform. They've been ripping up my neighborhood streets and hardly did any public outreach, yet they have time to harass mountain bikers. They won't even remove the pipes they left on my property.

    We need to look at innovative solutions like allowing bikes on certain days or times;. 25 percent of users should get a minimum of 25 percent usage.

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    A4B wants alternate use days, and it was brought up in the RTMP meetings, but the Marin Open Space and the Marin Horse Council are against it for some stupid reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfgiantsfan View Post
    A4B wants alternate use days, and it was brought up in the RTMP meetings, but the Marin Open Space and the Marin Horse Council are against it for some stupid reason.
    What reason? This would solve everything over night. We could even take Tuesdays and Thursdays, so weekends would be unaffected for the hikers and pony princesses.

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    Finally - A Marin Reporter gets the story right about Mountain Bike Access in Marin!

    The best stat I think that represents the lack of opportunities for off road cycling in Marin is: 23 miles of narrow trail out of 346 are open to bikes. That only includes official trails.

    One should note carefully the plan for social trails pending the RTMP plan chapter 4


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    I wish I knew why, I don't get at all. I have never seen anything like it. They talked about redundant trails too. Maybe letting Mtbers have a bikes only trail, that we would maintain etc. Some lady got up and said that is a bad idea because it would be to confusing and she may end up on a trail with bikes and it would be too dangerous.
    The head of the Marin wHorse Council wrote a letter and said that bikes should not be allowed on any trails with with blind corners(pretty much every single track ever made). They want it all and want bikes only on fireroads with a 15 mile top speed, until you see a horse then get off your bike and bend over.
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    I have some experience with odd/even policy-making and am happy to share it if you pm me SSHack, Giantsfan, and Davey.
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    The reason MCOSD had thrown the odd/even day idea out the window is because they claim that the policy is unenforceable. Apparently, the eight rangers that are to be hired with our Measure A funds aren't enough. Make no mistake about it, Dahl wants to create an enforcement state in open space, specifically targeting mountain bikers.

    And great work Vernon!

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    Maybe we should start documenting trail damage done by horses. Well, and never ever vote to increase funding ether. The more money government has, the more problems they cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Maybe we should start documenting trail damage done by horses. Well, and never ever vote to increase funding ether. The more money government has, the more problems they cause.
    I don't think that Linda Dahl would care. She is anti bike all the way. She started the RTMP meeting by showing a bunch of jumps in Mill Valley that had been there for at least 17 years, acting like they just popped up this week. The cry that went up from the horse ladies was hilarious, it was like they showed a puppy getting stomped on.
    She finished the slide show by putting up a picture of a cute little badger peeking out of his hole, then left it up for the whole meeting saying, this is what we are trying to protect. Total bullsh*t.

    The horse people and environmentalists then got up and said how scared they are of bikes and how dangerous, blah blah blah
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    Equestrians don't want alternate days, because that means losing 50% of the access they currently have. Dahl is a @#R#$@#$ (choose your epithet of choice). She's dumb and worthless. Best thing to do is to give money to A4B so that they can help decent board members get elected.
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    I'm so over horses and the amount of resources they take to 'maintain'. What is the environmental impact of 3 ton luxury horse trailers on our local roads? How about the barren hillsides used for horse pastures that are all too often next to streams and creeks? My biggest pet peeve are the riders that have very little control of these beasts. If your horse cannot pass by me standing with my bike on the side of the fire road without getting skittish, either you need to give up riding or your horse shouldn't be on public trails! Want to see the real impact that repeated horse use gets? Just go to point reyes and you'll be blessed with miles upon miles of 12-18' trail trenches!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAYR751 View Post
    The reason MCOSD had thrown the odd/even day idea out the window is because they claim that the policy is unenforceable. Apparently, the eight rangers that are to be hired with our Measure A funds aren't enough. Make no mistake about it, Dahl wants to create an enforcement state in open space, specifically targeting mountain bikers.

    And great work Vernon!
    I have it, on good source, that this hiring of 8 new rangers is BS.
    Just another diversion tactic to keep bikes off the trails.
    The lies continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoGordo View Post
    I have it, on good source, that this hiring of 8 new rangers is BS.
    Just another diversion tactic to keep bikes off the trails.
    The lies continue.
    Good Luck out there.
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    Hmm, interesting; I believe that is also news to most of the main MTB advocates in Marin. The point of my post was to point out that Dahl is just another irrational, anti-bike zealot that will stop at nothing until we have nothing left to ride. No matter how logical of a solution we propose to fix the current 'issues', it will be regarded as junk by those in power for some obscure reason. At least, writing off the even/odd day trail access idea because it is 'unenforceable' seems like an odd reason to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAYR751 View Post
    Hmm, interesting; I believe that is also news to most of the main MTB advocates in Marin. The point of my post was to point out that Dahl is just another irrational, anti-bike zealot that will stop at nothing until we have nothing left to ride. No matter how logical of a solution we propose to fix the current 'issues', it will be regarded as junk by those in power for some obscure reason. At least, writing off the even/odd day trail access idea because it is 'unenforceable' seems like an odd reason to me.

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    In principle other trail users have never wanted to give up any part of their own trail experience. That parks and trails were neither originally crafted for nor utilized by bikes there was no regulatory infrastructure including them. As such, folks who were included could, firstly, stand on fundamentals for the exclusion of bikes, and secondly suggest safety issues they felt were apparent for all to see, as further reason.

    Extant administrations from that time could only support this perspective as the politics demanded it and propositions for danger resonated. Over time archetypical mtb misbehavior, albeit infrequent, was used to bolster the argument. Politics again.

    In the 30 years we have been evolving this sport and it's community a new perspective and circumstance have become manifest. Our population has increased exponentially and our influence in society expanded with undeniable value and importance. Over time, by millions of mtb trail miles, statistics have shown that the specter of danger that antis have used as a smear against us is simply false. The California Dept of State Parks have recognized this and opened up the process of trails usage and development in their latest regulatory documents.

    Prior to the State Parks development, the East Bay Regional Park District, the largest organization of its kind, made major revisions in its Master Plan, the document which directs the execution of park processes, to facilitate access and development for us. And this from a Board of quite senior administrators and stewards.

    The tide has, indeed, turned. The MOSD, and the people it has selected to support and feels it can succeed by doing so, continue to cling to old thinking. That such things cannot be supported in light of the progress for the culture of park usage makes all of their efforts seem peculiar and desperately arcane, even daffy. That such a disposition will dictate the executions of policy for another decade or two is unthinkable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    In principle other trail users have never wanted to give up any part of their own trail experience. That parks and trails were neither originally crafted for nor utilized by bikes there was no regulatory infrastructure including them. As such, folks who were included could, firstly, stand on fundamentals for the exclusion of bikes, and secondly suggest safety issues they felt were apparent for all to see, as further reason.

    Extant administrations from that time could only support this perspective as the politics demanded it and propositions for danger resonated. Over time archetypical mtb misbehavior, albeit infrequent, was used to bolster the argument. Politics again.

    In the 30 years we have been evolving this sport and it's community a new perspective and circumstance have become manifest. Our population has increased exponentially and our influence in society expanded with undeniable value and importance. Over time, by millions of mtb trail miles, statistics have shown that the specter of danger that antis have used as a smear against us is simply false. The California Dept of State Parks have recognized this and opened up the process of trails usage and development in their latest regulatory documents.

    Prior to the State Parks development, the East Bay Regional Park District, the largest organization of its kind, made major revisions in its Master Plan, the document which directs the execution of park processes, to facilitate access and development for us. And this from a Board of quite senior administrators and stewards.

    The tide has, indeed, turned. The MOSD, and the people it has selected to support and feels it can succeed by doing so, continue to cling to old thinking. That such things cannot be supported in light of the progress for the culture of park usage makes all of their efforts seem peculiar and desperately arcane, even daffy. That such a disposition will dictate the executions of policy for another decade or two is unthinkable.
    The tide may have turned, but it may take another decade or two of waiting politely for access. That's the problem.

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    Nothing says confronting BS with facts, focus, and grace, is not polite. There is no sense in being a patsy.

    Facts over time outweigh hyperbole and spin. The antis lack of confidence is born of a weak factual position which is why they always sound so desperate and even ridiculous.

    Part of the power of position is confidence. We are not renegades but good citizens of the community. We can speak our piece evenly. We don't have to get up on our hind legs as in the old days, which relegated our comments to the dust bin.
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    Well stated, once again, Mike. Thanks for your perspective here.

    We took another hit on Sunday in the Marin IJ Editorial department saying that the social trails attributed to mtb'rs should basically be used to give us nothing. The IJ completely messes up the story on January 22 with a bunch of misinformation started by Linda Dahl and continued by Doug Prado. The jumps and trails in the article go back many years. The IJ gets all sorts of criticism over their shotty reporting so they lash out at us with Sundays editorial.

    Mike, you are right - the tide has changed. I believe one reason for Linda's actions is that we are no longer avoidable. Some say she might have done all this to show the anti bikers that she is not bike friendly so they back off. While this is a optimistic theory, we can't ignore her actions.

    Linda wants all the bad behavior like poaching and illegal trail building to stop. Access4Bikes wants it to stop as well but we understand that the only way it will stop is when we see a management plan that supports our growing need for single track access. The plan as written now, may have some good stuff. There is some thinly worded language that may help us out. Linda says she has some hike/bike trails in mind and is saving the money to do it. We'll see about that. I'm afraid that the only way to stop the 'bad' activities is to give us equal or greater access than the horses have. Access4Bikes is taking the reasonable approach by advocating the even/odd day management plan. They say its unenforceable? What about the current policies? How is that working out for them? It seems to me that making a trail legal every other day would save them having to enforce the no bike bike policy 50% of the time. BTW, when measure A money is gone, those new rangers are out of a job. It says so right in their contract. They better have this thing tight in 9 years or they will realize we are right back where we started.

    In my mind things won't really change until Open Space is brave enough to change policy, even up the access numbers, and tell the others to get over it. That is when we will see the end of the entitled attitude that permeates all policy meetings.

    Access4Bikes is taking a serious look at this years elections. If you live in San Rafael, pay attention. We need to get rid of Supervisor Susan Adams. Once we get a bike friendly majority on the Board then they will leverage the Open Space. If you live in Novato, pay attention. We need to keep Supervisor Judy Arnold.

    And, the MMWD! We'll be vetting out all candidates and looking for new leadership. There is absolutely no reason we shouldn't have connectivity via single track trails from one community to another and from one land jurisdiction to the other. Lets recreate the board of directors of MMWD. Learn more here:

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    Susan Adams, biker enemy numero uno. Dahl is probably a close second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg View Post
    Susan Adams, biker enemy numero uno. Dahl is probably a close second.
    What about Terri whatshername? She's gotta be up there, along with Mike V. Mike V. mostly had his nuts cut off by the judge. His probation is probably close to over by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
    What about Terri whatshername? She's gotta be up there, along with Mike V. Mike V. mostly had his nuts cut off. His probation is probably close to over by now.
    Terri and MVD are fools and nobody listens to them. OTOH, Adams and Dahl can directly affect our access in Marin.
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    Looks like Adams has two challengers. Looking forward to A4B vetting them and giving us the heads up on who is bike friendly...or at least say they are. I have a tough time trusting politicians. Adams also had pissed enough people off earlier to get a recall started so hopefully she will be out the door soon. Gave money to A4B but let me (us) know what else we can do besides vote. I'll stand on a corner with a sign!!

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    Good to know Timetraveler. Are you on the A4B email list? If you are then you'll be informed of all opportunities to help out. If you bought an entry for the bike then you are now on our list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vernonator View Post
    Well stated, once again, Mike. Thanks for your perspective here.

    We took another hit on Sunday in the Marin IJ Editorial department saying that the social trails attributed to mtb'rs should basically be used to give us nothing. The IJ completely messes up the story on January 22 with a bunch of misinformation started by Linda Dahl and continued by Doug Prado. The jumps and trails in the article go back many years. The IJ gets all sorts of criticism over their shotty reporting so they lash out at us with Sundays editorial.

    Mike, you are right - the tide has changed. I believe one reason for Linda's actions is that we are no longer avoidable. Some say she might have done all this to show the anti bikers that she is not bike friendly so they back off. While this is a optimistic theory, we can't ignore her actions.

    Linda wants all the bad behavior like poaching and illegal trail building to stop. Access4Bikes wants it to stop as well but we understand that the only way it will stop is when we see a management plan that supports our growing need for single track access. The plan as written now, may have some good stuff. There is some thinly worded language that may help us out. Linda says she has some hike/bike trails in mind and is saving the money to do it. We'll see about that. I'm afraid that the only way to stop the 'bad' activities is to give us equal or greater access than the horses have. Access4Bikes is taking the reasonable approach by advocating the even/odd day management plan. They say its unenforceable? What about the current policies? How is that working out for them? It seems to me that making a trail legal every other day would save them having to enforce the no bike bike policy 50% of the time. BTW, when measure A money is gone, those new rangers are out of a job. It says so right in their contract. They better have this thing tight in 9 years or they will realize we are right back where we started.

    In my mind things won't really change until Open Space is brave enough to change policy, even up the access numbers, and tell the others to get over it. That is when we will see the end of the entitled attitude that permeates all policy meetings.

    Access4Bikes is taking a serious look at this years elections. If you live in San Rafael, pay attention. We need to get rid of Supervisor Susan Adams. Once we get a bike friendly majority on the Board then they will leverage the Open Space. If you live in Novato, pay attention. We need to keep Supervisor Judy Arnold.

    And, the MMWD! We'll be vetting out all candidates and looking for new leadership. There is absolutely no reason we shouldn't have connectivity via single track trails from one community to another and from one land jurisdiction to the other. Lets recreate the board of directors of MMWD. Learn more here:

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