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    Dog bites rider at redwood park

    this is the second time my buddy's been bit this year, by an off leash dog at redwood park.

    I went back to try and find the owner, but couldnt find her.

    Moving forward I will be getting name and contact info plus a picture of the dog and owner - and reporting the owners to park police.

    Please do the same, should you or someone you know get bitten by a dog.
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    That's crazy. I sure love dogs, but their owners when in public parks? Often a big NOT.

    Just like a few bad apples give our sport a black eye, so, too, do bad dog owners to our canine friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooderdude View Post
    That's crazy. I sure love dogs, but their owners when in public parks? Often a big NOT.

    Just like a few bad apples give our sport a black eye, so, too, do bad dog owners to our canine friends.
    I have two great dogs, one of which we know should not be allowed off leash. So he doesnt get to go off leash if other people or dogs are present. it's that easy.
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    Yesterday while at Santa Teresa, I saw two Coyotes... Then at the end of my ride I ran into a ranger it and the end parking lot (past the bathrooms), looking up into the hills. The conversation went like this:

    Me> Looking for something?
    Ranger> Yeah, a golden retriever got off leash and took off into the hills, owners are looking for it. Have you seen it?

    Me> No. But I did see two Coyotes today off around Rocky Ridge
    Ranger> They might find the dog before we do...

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    I never go on a ride without some of this stuff....I have had to use it once....and threaten to like 3 times!...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rack Man View Post
    I never go on a ride without some of this stuff....I have had to use it once....and threaten to like 3 times!...
    On a dog or an owner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkyJay View Post
    On a dog or an owner?
    there's no reason to pepper spray a dog. If the dog is going to bite you, you dont have time for pepper spray. Much better to give him a boot to the head.

    I've had to do this a couple times.

    As much as I love dogs, it just isnt right that we should have to be put in such a position.
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    For the most part, I rarely ever see a dog on leash at JMP. But at least they usually keep to sequoia bayview

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    Ive taken my dog out a few times, off leash on the trails. He loves to go on rides with me so he gets excited when he see's a bike, sometimes barks and runs up to people as they go by. I hope they dont ever think he is going to bite because he never would, A boot to the head would probably teach him, but it would piss me off. Just depends on how hard.
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    This has been beat to death in the General forum, but...

    I hate dogs off leash on the trail, and I LOVE dogs. I am less afraid for my safety, and more afraid for the safety of the animal. I have had very close calls with dogs running alongside mountain bikes - it is COMPLETELY ILLEGAL to have off-leash dogs in STCP, yet people just don't give a sh]t.

    So, if I accidentally hit a dog and injure it and I am not at fault - who is responsible for the vet bills?

    I really, really would hate to go down that road, especially since I'd be devastated for the dog and would hate to get into a small claims court situation with a fellow MTB'er. I don't want to hit a dog; I'd feel horrible if I did - so why would owners risk that potential? This is my plea to keep your dogs ON LEASH.

    As such, I only take my dogs, on leash on the trails, when the trails are closed to MTB'ers (like after a rain). That way, I'm not endangering my dog or a rider... and I have my dogs on leash, staying within the laws of the park.

    Other days, I strap on the harness and run them along very low traffic multi-use trails with my beach cruiser (only one at a time).

    I think I overdo my "responsible dog ownership" for the safety of my dog and for the safety of others. I own a pit bull, so I have to be really sensitive to others and the stereotypes of pit bulls.

    When I was 14, I saw a dog in the back of a pick-up going towards Davenport. The dog looked like it was having the time of it's life, enjoying the wind, sniffing, having a ball.

    The truck hit a pot hole and the dog went flying out of the back at 65 MPH.

    So, dog owners... dogs can't think for themselves very well - they are not self aware of their mortality. Protect them, even if it is at the sacrifice of their "fun". Keep them on-lease and out of harms way - it's better for the entire community when you do. My dogs love running in the grass alongside my beach cruiser just as much as running on the MTB trails. The difference is, one activity lessens the risk of incident for a fellow trail user and my dogs.

    As far as the coyote thing is concerned - that totally frightens me. Dogs don't know better, coyotes will kill them. My wife never brings her Chug (chihuahua pug) to the trails with fear of a predatory bird getting him. It happens - and she loves that dog more than anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rack Man View Post
    I never go on a ride without some of this stuff....I have had to use it once....and threaten to like 3 times!...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfgiantsfan View Post
    Ive taken my dog out a few times, off leash on the trails. He loves to go on rides with me so he gets excited when he see's a bike, sometimes barks and runs up to people as they go by. I hope they dont ever think he is going to bite because he never would, A boot to the head would probably teach him, but it would piss me off. Just depends on how hard.
    When a dog off leash runs up to me barking, I am thinking this dog COULD bite me and I am on guard. Why would you assume that the rider knows the temperment of your dog? I have never had to kick a dog and I hope to never have to, but I have been unclipped and cocked to deliver a heel to the charging dog. Besides that, a dog that runs towards bikers could cause a less skilled rider to crash (think of newer riders and young kids). Please consider this as you let your dog off leash. I used to ride with my Australian Cattle dog and she would "heel" at my right side, staying even with my cranks. I trained her first with a short leash, then without a leash by changing my speed and even stopping at times to make sure that she was always in tune with the speed I was going. If she tried to get in front of me, I would turn my front tire into her and tell her sternly to "heel". She caught on fairly quick and I could let her off leash during part of the ride. I always kept a leash with me just incase I came across a situation that I didn't feel confident with. Usually having to deal with other dogs who where not on leash or with horses just to make sure I would not be liable for someone who couldn't handle their horse. Not trying to be sanctimonious, just offering a perspective from the rider being charged at from a dog they are not familiar with. BTW, GO GIANTS!
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    I've been bitten twice on the trail near my house... once running and by a Old English Sheepdog off leash... the canine tooth punctured my thigh. I went to the ER to get it cleaned out and the DR. immediately wanted to start me on the rabies series... I told him to hold off as the owner's wife said the dog was vaccinated. The owner was a complete d*ck, but I had a witness and presented him with a $600+ bill.. he balked for months til I threatened legal action and he.. or he had his wife pay me... the second time, I was riding my bike and rode by a couple that had a beagle/bordercollie mix..I rode past them but, on my way back saw them and not the dog. Right when I was thinking to myself "I wonder where their dog is" he, came out of a hiding spot and nailed me on the calf..again punctured the skin.. The owners were only about 20' away and witnessed the whole thing. The guy was about to strangle his dog..I said, I need your info and I'm going to get it cleaned out. Went to Urgent Care and left with a $200 bill. The guy initially tried to hide from me but, finally relented and paid the bill. The trail here is notorius for off leash dogs..and I have no problem kicking them if they threaten me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rack Man View Post
    I never go on a ride without some of this stuff....I have had to use it once....and threaten to like 3 times!...

    I'd be tempted to use that on the owner's who don't clean up after their dogs when they walk them in the alley behind my house...

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    You're right about me assuming people should know about my dog being cool, but look at that guy, he doesnt have a mean bone in his body. I never take him on trails that are highly used by bikes. Some fire roads in marin, ggp in an area that I have never come across any bikes. When he's off leash for the most part he does whatever I tell him, when he sees a bike he runs up and gets right by the back wheel, which is where he stays when I ride. I totally agree with you but I think it's worth the risk, I slow way down when I come across a hiker, horse, dog and if people did that nothing would happen. If he ever hurt someone, I would pay in a second.
    When I ride, he never leaves my side except to crap, like your dog, he's a natural. It's only happened when I'm hiking with him. And yeah , Go Giants, I can't wait for this year.

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    I love dogs....but any owner who keeps their dog off leash in a public area (where laws prohibit) suffer the consequences of any action I have to take to protect myself or my family....whether its a boot to the head, pepper spray or a 22 cal.....

    there's no reason to pepper spray a dog. If the dog is going to bite you, you dont have time for pepper spray.
    And the way this mounts to your bike, you have immediate access to it...so you usually have plenty of time to get to it...trust me, I know first hand....its a proven performer


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    Can somebody clarify that there is NO law against running your dog ON LEASH through the neighborhood? Of course, all other things being lawful, like the 6ft. leash law (in San Jose).

    It's still legal for people to run their leashed dogs on a multi-use trail, but after the Beverly Head incident and all the old people that won't mind their business - it's not worth the hassle.

    Reason why I'm asking, is I ran my dogs this morning, one at a time, through my neighborhood. Some guy said something to me, but I didn't hear him. I'm leaning towards him trying to say that what I was doing was illegal - but I'm not sure (ironically, while he had his dog on a 10ft leash, which is actually against the law). If this was the case, this would be the second time somebody has tried to confront me. I was off the the right, in the street, in my empty neighborhood - completely safe.

    I wish people would just mind their business, but in case I need to respond in the event it happens again, I need some ammo saying that it IS legal. I believe there is no law against it.

    Almaden Valley is the land of "old-people-being-up-in-your-business", where do they have the energy to confront people like me, just minding my own business?

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    good point about not knowing temperament of unfamiliar dogs (or people )

    i think a lot off leash dog owners have altruistic motives, think of a dog lover saying "let sparky run free" with a trippy gaze in their eyes

    also dog owners are squeezed just like mtbers, so we share that in common
    as a biker, i've been endangered or fallen down because of off leash dogs
    - dog wanders into trail
    - dog bites
    - dog threatens to bite
    - dog chases

    bottom line: protect yourself
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    I've had many close calls at Redwood (as well as at neighboring JMP and Chabot) with dogs off leash. Was once chased by a pack of 4 pit bulls for a 1/4 mi, pedaling for my life.

    Fact of the matter is there's way too many off leash dogs that shouldn't be - either because they are not controllable by command or there's just too many in a pack (not uncommon for there to be more than the allowable 6 in one pack). I'm all for allowing dogs their freedom to run and play, but owners need to be in full control (and within sight) of their dog if they're off leash.

    Been thinking about velcro'ing some spray to my pack for a long time, maybe about time I do. What ways are folks carry/attaching a spray to their bike/body?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Can somebody clarify that there is NO law against running your dog ON LEASH through the neighborhood? Of course, all other things being lawful, like the 6ft. leash law (in San Jose).
    When I was growing up in Sunnyvale from the 1970s to the 1990s there was a leash law in effect for walking your dog within city limits. Dunno about other cities around here though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    When I was growing up in Sunnyvale from the 1970s to the 1990s there was a leash law in effect for walking your dog within city limits. Dunno about other cities around here though.
    I'm cool with the leash law, but I'm curious about running them alongside the bike WHILE RIDING.

    I'm tired of the hoity toity old Almaden idiots trying to spew out made up laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Reason why I'm asking, is I ran my dogs this morning, one at a time, through my neighborhood. Some guy said something to me, but I didn't hear him. I'm leaning towards him trying to say that what I was doing was illegal - but I'm not sure (ironically, while he had his dog on a 10ft leash, which is actually against the law). If this was the case, this would be the second time somebody has tried to confront me. I was off the the right, in the street, in my empty neighborhood - completely safe.
    I would be surprised if that was illegal... That would not be prudent on a biking/hiking trail though. But on a street? Sounds fine..

    ...what is annoying is when some dog owners let them run around on a kids playground. Happens a lot around here. And then they act surprised when kids are scared and parents upset. "Oh, but my dog is so friendly". How the heck would one know - and how the heck would a kid know not to be scared when some stupid dog bigger them him jumps on him... I like dogs and everything, but some minimal common sense should be there..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
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    That's what in my jersey pocket if I am alone in some unfamiliar territory. Hopefully will never have to use it..

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    Just as big as your Kimber spray, a little better (I sold this thing last year).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Just as big as your Kimber spray, a little better (I sold this thing last year).
    Only illegal or extremely combersome for me to carry anywhere, and I will be much less likely to use if needed knowing of legal complications. For a dog or some random transient some pepper spray is probably good enough, and that should cover the majority of problems I can reasonably expect.... McMurdo FastFind Sattelite PLB in another pocket.. I have been unfortunate enough to know those two items could be useful.

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    I was riding with my kids in Boggs a few months back, when suddenly a dog came charging towards my youngest boy,, my fatherly instincts kicked in and I blew up. I kinda felt bad for the dog, and my kids were a little shocked that their easy going pops had a little werwolf in him. Bottom line, if you can't control your animal than don't bring them to a public place period.... I might bite it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Only illegal or extremely combersome for me to carry anywhere, and I will be much less likely to use if needed knowing of legal complications. For a dog or some random transient some pepper spray is probably good enough, and that should cover the majority of problems I can reasonably expect.... McMurdo FastFind Sattelite PLB in another pocket.. I have been unfortunate enough to know those two items could be useful.
    That's why I sold it. It's legal to open carry in BLM and certain states, but when do I ride there? Never!

    The thought of presenting a weapon while riding is crazy - and it's something that you'd actually have to train yourself on, and drill it over and over so you're proficient. That being said, I don't carry any weapon when I ride, even though I'm a dedicated gun owner.

    If people would just be courteous to others and keep their dogs on leash - all would be well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cobb View Post
    Bottom line, if you can't control your animal than don't bring them to a public place period....
    I wish local horse owners would agree.

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    I normally kick the offending dog in the face while yell at the dog owner to control their animal. Yesterday, though, I was riding up a steep hill, my heart rate through the roof, concentrating on the top of the hill, when I feel the dog bite me in my calf. I was pretty surprised and shocked. Fortunately no broken skin, just a good bruise.

    That is the second time in a month that I've been bitten in Redwood or JMP. If people can't control their dogs, don't let them go off leash. In fact, I ran into a dog today in JMP, the owner yelled at me for hitting their illegally off leash dog.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cobb View Post
    I was riding with my kids in Boggs a few months back, when suddenly a dog came charging towards my youngest boy,, my fatherly instincts kicked in and I blew up. I kinda felt bad for the dog, and my kids were a little shocked that their easy going pops had a little werwolf in him. Bottom line, if you can't control your animal than don't bring them to a public place period.... I might bite it..

    Do you ride a HT Santa Cruz? I think my dog came up to you last week at boggs, me and my girlfriend were hiking up. he's a yellow lab.

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    It all boils down to the owner and taking the needed time to train a dog correctly. I'd be lying if I said I had not had a couple issues with my dogs, it took repeated specific training in those situations for them to get past that trigger. Thankfully none involved bites, and only a handful of barking incidents. They are both young dogs (1.5 years) so we were forming habits rather than trying to break them.
    My dogs love to go riding with me. When they see me get my helmet they get super excited. I get out with my dogs 3-4 times per week. 2-3 times early (6AM) during the work week and 1-2 times in the morning (8AM ish) on the weekend. This minimizes “traffic” and makes it more enjoyable for me and the dogs, also less distractions allows for better training. Riding with crap bags is neither optimal nor fun but pack it out is what I signed up for when I got a dog. We are working on them doing their business at the start of the ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzkil View Post
    It all boils down to the owner and taking the needed time to train a dog correctly. I'd be lying if I said I had not had a couple issues with my dogs, it took repeated specific training in those situations for them to get past that trigger. Thankfully none involved bites, and only a handful of barking incidents. They are both young dogs (1.5 years) so we were forming habits rather than trying to break them.
    My dogs love to go riding with me. When they see me get my helmet they get super excited. I get out with my dogs 3-4 times per week. 2-3 times early (6AM) during the work week and 1-2 times in the morning (8AM ish) on the weekend. This minimizes “traffic” and makes it more enjoyable for me and the dogs, also less distractions allows for better training. Riding with crap bags is neither optimal nor fun but pack it out is what I signed up for when I got a dog. We are working on them doing their business at the start of the ride.
    We ride at Redwood Regional, if you see us give us a wave. Me a big moose of a guy on a single speed rolling with these two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    Ridgebacks?
    Dobi/Ridge and Boxer/Ridge

    Not to take away for the people who get tagged, I'm very sorry to hear that, it sucks and should never happen. It is even more sad when it happens in a leashed area and the owners are not complying with the law.

    Before someone asks yes they do get leashed on the RR loop at the Skyline gate and the park area before the Canyon Climb, why??? cause there is a sign that says leash your dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzkil View Post
    Dobi/Ridge and Boxer/Ridge

    Not to take away for the people who get tagged, I'm very sorry to hear that, it sucks and should never happen. It is even more sad when it happens in a leashed area and the owners are not complying with the law.

    Before someone asks yes they do get leashed on the RR loop at the Skyline gate and the park area before the Canyon Climb, why??? cause there is a sign that says leash your dog.
    Great looking doggy's. I have two Weims that think they are sled dogs. They pull me all over the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfgiantsfan View Post
    Do you ride a HT Santa Cruz? I think my dog came up to you last week at boggs, me and my girlfriend were hiking up. he's a yellow lab.
    yep that was me, I remember you guys, your dog was cool. You shoulda brought your bike.

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    Turn this into a doggy show off thread!

    This is one of mine (my other is a Dalmatian, who is actually more unfriendly than this man). You can see why I have to be ultra-sensitive to the general public. Rocky is super sweet, but the world (except other pit bull owners) hates him. With pit bull ownership, you really have to take extra care about leash laws, fences, other dogs, children, etc. The perception of these dogs is awful, but I know it, understand it, and comply to keep everybody feeling "safe".



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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    Great looking doggy's. I have two Weims that think they are sled dogs. They pull me all over the place.
    Yeah, riding with one on a leash is ok but trying to ride with 2 no efing way. Weims are pretty sweet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katana View Post
    I normally kick the offending dog in the face while yell at the dog owner to control their animal. Yesterday, though, I was riding up a steep hill, my heart rate through the roof, concentrating on the top of the hill, when I feel the dog bite me in my calf. I was pretty surprised and shocked. Fortunately no broken skin, just a good bruise.

    That is the second time in a month that I've been bitten in Redwood or JMP. If people can't control their dogs, don't let them go off leash. In fact, I ran into a dog today in JMP, the owner yelled at me for hitting their illegally off leash dog.....
    Did you report this to the Park officials? We need this sort of input to create a context which more accurately reflects what is going on our there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    Did you report this to the Park officials? We need this sort of input to create a context which more accurately reflects what is going on our there.
    No. I was riding with him and tried to locate the dogs owner, but she took off.

    We need to get into the habit of reporting this. This is the 3rd time this year that I know of someone was bitten by an off leash dog at redwood.
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    No. I was riding with him and tried to locate the dogs owner, but she took off.

    We need to get into the habit of reporting this. This is the 3rd time this year that I know of someone was bitten by an off leash dog at redwood.
    I agree that all bites etc should be reported, I'm just afraid of a possible witch hunt.
    If RR gets shut down where will the "good" dog owners go? The bad ones will still be hanging out there.... The problem will never go away just because a few "good" dogs are off the trails. We should work with the city to have a better reporting system/database for this type of thing where even if you don’t get info you could submit a report with pictures that could maybe finger the culprit on a later incident.
    California's Strict Liability Law on Dog Bite Attack Cases
    Many states, including California, have enacted statutes (laws that are passed by the legislature) which hold a dog owner liable for a dog bite attack even if the dog has never bitten anyone. This is called strict liability. These types of statutes effectively eliminate the "one-free bite" rule because liability is based upon ownership. It is irrelevant whether the dog bit someone previously or whether the owner knew the dog could be vicious. Under this California law the victim of a dog bite attack only needs to show that:
    •The dog was owned by the defendant
    •The dog bite attack occurred on public property or while the victim was lawfully on private property
    •The victim was injured by an actual bite during the dog attack
    •The dog caused the injury

    Right to Compensation in Dog Bite Cases
    A competent attorney will diligently pursue all types of compensation available to the dog bite victim. The types of compensation a dog bite lawyer can seek on behalf of the victim include:
    •Medical bills (both past and future)
    •Pain and suffering
    •Loss of wages
    •Reduced earning capacity
    •Punitive damages
    •Medical monitoring
    •Lifestyle changes
    •Lifetime care and medical costs (for severe cases such as brain injuries)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzkil View Post
    I agree that all bites etc should be reported, I'm just afraid of a possible witch hunt.
    If RR gets shut down where will the "good" dog owners go? The bad ones will still be hanging out there.... The problem will never go away just because a few "good" dogs are off the trails. We should work with the city to have a better reporting system/database for this type of thing where even if you don’t get info you could submit a report with pictures that could maybe finger the culprit on a later incident.
    California's Strict Liability Law on Dog Bite Attack Cases
    Many states, including California, have enacted statutes (laws that are passed by the legislature) which hold a dog owner liable for a dog bite attack even if the dog has never bitten anyone. This is called strict liability. These types of statutes effectively eliminate the "one-free bite" rule because liability is based upon ownership. It is irrelevant whether the dog bit someone previously or whether the owner knew the dog could be vicious. Under this California law the victim of a dog bite attack only needs to show that:
    •The dog was owned by the defendant
    •The dog bite attack occurred on public property or while the victim was lawfully on private property
    •The victim was injured by an actual bite during the dog attack
    •The dog caused the injury

    Right to Compensation in Dog Bite Cases
    A competent attorney will diligently pursue all types of compensation available to the dog bite victim. The types of compensation a dog bite lawyer can seek on behalf of the victim include:
    •Medical bills (both past and future)
    •Pain and suffering
    •Loss of wages
    •Reduced earning capacity
    •Punitive damages
    •Medical monitoring
    •Lifestyle changes
    •Lifetime care and medical costs (for severe cases such as brain injuries)
    Honestly, I dont think redwood is a good park to have dogs off leash. it's relatively small, and the trails are relatively narrow. I take my dogs off leash on shell ridge in walnut creek and also at briones. Its much more open.

    as a dog owner I am warry of my dogs walking in front of a fast moving bike. This happens CONSTANTLY at redwood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzkil View Post
    Yeah, riding with one on a leash is ok but trying to ride with 2 no efing way. Weims are pretty sweet
    I actually run both of mine at the same time. Only on my DH bike, though. You need the stability and braking power to overcome 150 pounds of dog!
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    I got bit in the neck at the dog park in Fremont. 40 lb. mutt jumped up and got me.

    I reported it and the dog got quarantined. The lady was something right out of "Idiocracy" - and even though the lady was an idiot, I didn't press charges.

    On the positive side of things, the medical assistant that cleaned me up was incredibly hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    Honestly, I dont think redwood is a good park to have dogs off leash. it's relatively small, and the trails are relatively narrow. I take my dogs off leash on shell ridge in walnut creek and also at briones. Its much more open.

    as a dog owner I am warry of my dogs walking in front of a fast moving bike. This happens CONSTANTLY at redwood.
    Population density is a beotch. I'm not antisocial I just don't like people I rarely see mtn bikers during the work week, Durning the work week I ride dunn to wr up to RW bowl then back down wr to dun and back to the truck.

    RR on a weekend peak time? Forget about it. On my SS I ride East Ridge to West Ridge So I am comming up the part people like to hit at 40 during peak times. Thats why I like to be done with my ride by 9 or 10 so I can get to the beer drinkin.

    RR < 10min from my house = me bias
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzkil View Post
    Population density is a beotch. I'm not antisocial I just don't like people I rarely see mtn bikers during the work week, Durning the work week I ride dunn to wr up to RW bowl then back down wr to dun and back to the truck.

    RR on a weekend peak time? Forget about it. On my SS I ride East Ridge to West Ridge So I am comming up the part people like to hit at 40 during peak times. Thats why I like to be done with my ride by 9 or 10 so I can get to the beer drinkin.

    RR < 10min from my house = me bias
    sounds like you're a responsible owner, anyway. I get the impression 90% of dog owners think the parks that allow dogs off leash means they can just let the dog run rampant and out of control. They always forget the "and under vocal command" part of the law.
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    Not to defend the dog by any means, but what's missing to put into context given there are knuckle riders out there, was the speed of the rider? Not defending by any means, but as we know there are often riders that ASSume the right of way. I ride with my dog at off-peak hours and have him sit and hold if being approached by other trail users. Funny thing, even if you don't like dogs, I imagine there are times you've broken the law Judas and driven while drink or sped, cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNabmtb View Post
    Not to defend the dog by any means, but what's missing to put into context given there are knuckle riders out there, was the speed of the rider? Not defending by any means, but as we know there are often riders that ASSume the right of way. I ride with my dog at off-peak hours and have him sit and hold if being approached by other trail users. Funny thing, even if you don't like dogs, I imagine there are times you've broken the law Judas and driven while drink or sped, cheers!
    If you are not defending the dog owner (obviously, dog has nothing to do with that) - what does it have to do with rider's speed and other of your cleverly highlighted assumptions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNabmtb View Post
    Not to defend the dog by any means, but what's missing to put into context given there are knuckle riders out there, was the speed of the rider? Not defending by any means, but as we know there are often riders that ASSume the right of way. I ride with my dog at off-peak hours and have him sit and hold if being approached by other trail users. Funny thing, even if you don't like dogs, I imagine there are times you've broken the law Judas and driven while drink or sped, cheers!
    we were climbing a steep grade at about 3 MPH. The owner called the dog when I approached, but the dog got loose after we passed and attacked my buddy from behind.
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    Thank you, I stand corrected as that does put it into context and shows the rider did not necessarily entice the bite. To Axe, I didn't mean to find fault on the rider, but was merely trying to imply that the event as described was incomplete and could have failed to include certain details, but somehow I cleverly I failed to infer that.

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    What about all the off-leash deer, mountain lions and bear??

    If an illegally off-leash dog bites you while you're riding a bike-illegal trail, did it happen?

    I living in the Sierra foothills (aka "not living in the Bay Area anymore")

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