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    Dirt Jump bike project

    I'm doing it! My 12 year old kid is ready and he is asking now every day. I would give it to him a heartbeat but I told him to tackle 5 big mountain bike rides and it's his.

    He wants a bmx but I'd rather he be on a 26er so he can use those handling skills better on the mountain bike.

    All I have so far is the Spank Spoon frame (just cause I have a few Spank parts)
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    Is this setup good?
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    I have a lot of parts here at home. Just need to decide how to put it together. singlespeed right?

    Do I need a front suspension fork? Need a front brake?

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    The Spank in that link is pretty sweet! Definitely a good setup. With a frame designed for DJ, it's hard to go wrong.

    Definitely single speed. If you want to ride it on singletrack, a front brake is a good idea, but if this will mostly be a park/pump track bike, a rear brake will be plenty. I rarely see bmx or DJ bikes with a front brake.

    I ride a 20" bmx and a 26" DJ. I've tried rigid on the DJ but I definitely prefer suspension. 100mm or less. You really don't need much travel, and I prefer less because it keeps the front end and bottom bracket lower, which improves handling when you're railing through berms. If I was picking out a new fork for mine, I'd go 80mm travel with the shortest axle-to-crown length possible.

    That being said, that Spank frame may have a specific fork length in mind, in which case, go with that.

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    francis,

    i know that santa cruz is having a clearance on their website, and their jackal frame (size short or small) is pretty cheap.

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    i purchased a used jackal w/ pike, put a 9 speed casette and front and rear brakes on it, and it's been super fun at the bmx track in santa clara, pleasanton bmx park, water dog, t-rancho, and even riding to get groceries. i have a setback seatpost that comes up pretty high for pedalling, and i slam it down when at the bmx park, so it has been fairly flexible for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dth656 View Post
    santa cruz...jackal frame
    this is what I would get.

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    What Dirt Love said. Single speed, short travel fork, only need rear brake. I wouldn't try and make this bike "versitile" for riding single track too - that's what your other bikes are for. This one should be for the pump track, the jumps, and some street riding.

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    How about buying a 26" DJ frame and run 24" tires until he's fully grown up?

    Coming from BMX freestyle (flatland) background, I can tell you it is a whole lot easier to learn manual, bunnyhop, etc with smaller wheels, especially if your kid isn't grown up to adult size yet. It will be a lot less frustrating for him. Once he learns on 24", it shouldn't be too difficult to adapt the skills to 26".


    Quote Originally Posted by dth656 View Post
    i know that santa cruz is having a clearance on their website, and their jackal frame (size short or small) is pretty cheap...
    I bought the last red one the other day. Replacing my super-heavy '07 Ruckus DJ frame

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    How about a Fireeye Shortfuse 360?

    24" wheels, big enough to be a MTB, small enough to make him feel he is on a BMX.

    Dirt cheap at Chainreaction Cycles, like 200$.

    Magura rim brakes, both front and rear. Put the front through the headtube.

    I have one myself, and love it dearly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Magura View Post
    How about a Fireeye Shortfuse 360?

    24" wheels, big enough to be a MTB, small enough to make him feel he is on a BMX.

    Dirt cheap at Chainreaction Cycles, like 200$.

    Magura rim brakes, both front and rear. Put the front through the headtube.

    I have one myself, and love it dearly.


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    That's a nice frame. I was looking at that a while ago and talking to FireEye about it and the Shortfuse 380. One reason I decided to go to look at the Jackal was due to having the disc brake mount move with the dropout, keeping a fixed geometry. It's not necessary though, just a "perk". Just note, I haven't bought a frame yet, it's a very low priority for me, so take my comments with a grain of salt.

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    Thanks everyone so far. Miguel is 12 yrs old, 5'4" 140 lbs.

    Last weekend, I passed the riding baton to him. I showed him how to jump and my wife and daughter went rolling on the ground laughing!!!
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    Then lil kid rolled up to it and schooled the jump about 20x
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    Thanks Beaverbiker. Let's go jumpin everybody. Or in my case... rollin.
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    I also wanted to add that everyone needs practice at a pump track, bmx track. Hop off curbs properly and build some ramps at home. This is the difference for him as he is now very comfortable in the air and on berms.

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    for a beginner, a front brake is a MUST.
    80mm fork
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    Quote Originally Posted by beaverbiker View Post
    backyard track. 3ft tall berms and views of Mt Umunhum!
    wowsers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Last weekend, I passed the riding baton to him. I showed him how to jump and my wife and daughter went rolling on the ground laughing!!!
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    That's better than me. I would try to get the air, clip the front wheel, and launch. Hospital bills after that.

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    Just get the kid a 20" BMX bike if that's what he wants. It'll be much more fun riding around the neighborhood and just practicing skills on a smaller scale. He'll have more opportunity to develop bike handling skills without relying on you to take him to Calabazas (or wherever). And when he hops back on his 26" MTB to go on a trail ride, his bike handling skills should be sufficient to smoke his dad on the downhill sections.

    He's only 12 YO and not fully grown... there's really no reason for 26" wheels, or 24" for that matter. If he can ride a pumptrack on a 20, he'll have no problem on a 26er. The opposite would not be true though.

    No front brake. No disk brakes. No suspension fork. Just a cheap complete BMX. Fit BMX has some good completes for under $500. Fit Bmx Bikes

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    I like having the front brake. It doesn't add that much weight, and you can practice stuff like this. It is an absolutely useless skill, but teenage girls will probably get impressed if he did that in school parking lot

    I used to be able to do this without the front brake on a freestyle bike, but not on a 26" bike.


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    I too would second the BMX because I'm willing to bet most BMX riders would be proficient on a MTB and I won't bet on it the other way around.
    Just keep pedaling, don't stop pedaling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan_d View Post
    I too would second the BMX because I'm willing to bet most BMX riders would be proficient on a MTB and I won't bet on it the other way around.
    Growing up riding BMX has paid HUGE dividends for MTB'ing (I still ride BMX by the way). I can still bunnyhop to wall ride, fakie tree rides, feeble grinds, etc. but I mostly ride flatland (ground tricks). The biggest advantage is learning how to save yourself from crashing, because in BMX, you constantly fall.

    This can-can pic and the hop-to-wall-ride was taken when I was 13; pool carving from when I was 14. The fakie was when I was 15. Having that BMX second nature in you really helps in MTB'ing. By the age of 16, I was riding at very high level of BMX (for those days) and we were doing handrails and very advance flatland tricks.

    Francis, get the kid a BMX bike. They are light, simple, and really teach the basics. We used to do 5-6ft. drops on our BMX bikes, and we rode everything, from street, flatland, vert, park, pools, dirt, etc. all on one bike. Our bikes were very heavy, like 35lbs.

    BMX has made a huge difference in my riding, for being a relatively new'ish MTB rider. The climbing fitness of it is my biggest barrier, but bike handling isn't as much of an issue with me as it is for some at my level of riding.





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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan_d View Post
    I too would second the BMX because I'm willing to bet most BMX riders would be proficient on a MTB and I won't bet on it the other way around.
    Interesting. I think most bmx and dirt jumpers are great at bike handling since they work on it for hundreds of hours. I've been hanging around Calabasas and the good guys coach each other after segment! Most mountain bikers invest zero time in becoming better bike handlers.

    I'm still leaning dirt jump bike since I have a massive array of mtb stuff and I get a discount. I have no contacts on BMX. But I may end up with both (for the both of us) and we'll see what gets ridden the most.

    His future is definitely mtb and we are going to Whissler next year!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Most mountain bikers invest zero time in becoming better bike handlers.
    Froride1 and I had a talk about this yesterday, and my theory is that many MTB'ers are looking at the climbing/fitness/endurance aspect of the sport - sticking to fireroads and killing KOM's and such. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but you lose sight of a very important aspect of riding.

    I have a lot of work to do on my climbing speed (at least I'm not dead last like before), but I really enjoy having the bike handling skills - makes up for what I'm not so good at.

    In Santa Cruz, there was a guy trying to do a basic rock walk on his mountain bike, and he couldn't quite get it. Quietly, I said, "Oh, is this what you're trying to do?" and I did a rock walk. The guys were SO impressed, but I was thinking I learned how to do those when I was 12

    DJ bike is cool, homie. A lot of kids his age are riding them. You guys should hit up Lake Cunningham when you get them built.

    If you guys do look at BMX bikes, unlike before, you can get them in different sizes. Top tube length is pretty much the only difference, but with the massive handlebars and sweet BMX geometry, straddling a 20" isn't much different than standing over a small DJ bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Froride1 and I had a talk about this yesterday, and my theory is that many MTB'ers are looking at the climbing/fitness/endurance aspect of the sport - sticking to fireroads and killing KOM's and such. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but you lose sight of a very important aspect of riding. ...
    Yup, I have learned more about bike handling in the last 6 months compared to my last 12 years of riding. Most mountain bikers like me have never had a bike handling lesson. Most never get advice, seek advice on how to corner or do a drop. We can ride fast downhill but often with bad or wrong technique. Riders just get real good at doing the wrong thing.

    That's why it is my mission in the coming year to get everyone to take a lesson, whether formal or informal.

    I can now ride around the our whole block without a single pedal stroke. The neigbors think I'm a weirdo but they just ignorant.

    A lot of learning happens on the bmx or pump track as well. If we only have an indoor mtb park, everyone will have an environment to learn.

    Anyway, we'll look to you, Roger and the gang to get some advice once we get our bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Yup, I have learned more about bike handling in the last 6 months compared to my last 12 years of riding. Most mountain bikers like me have never had a bike handling lesson. Most never get advice, seek advice on how to corner or do a drop. We can ride fast downhill but often with bad or wrong technique. Riders just get real good at doing the wrong thing.

    That's why it is my mission in the coming year to get everyone to take a lesson, whether formal or informal.

    I can now ride around the our whole block without a single pedal stroke. The neigbors think I'm a weirdo but they just ignorant.

    A lot of learning happens on the bmx or pump track as well. If we only have an indoor mtb park, everyone will have an environment to learn.

    Anyway, we'll look to you, Roger and the gang to get some advice once we get our bikes.
    I'm not like most, in that regard, I want to learn but finding how to learn is hard. That information is just not out there. There are no real classes I've seen on pumptracks and jumping. I think this thread has me looking at BMX bikes now, for tooling around and trying to learn how to do urban stuff.

    I don't have enough practice, and when I try to do stuff on my MTB, my timing is off and I crash. It hurts alot when you're going 20+mph and you endo on a jump. People that know how to do this stuff always say "trust your bike" and "get enough speed". I tell em, trust me, it's more than just the bike. I just "trusted my bike" and I ended up with a full on digger and a damn near broken jaw.

    I guess it's just going to be old school, and learning by yourself.

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    Ive never been to one of these pump track things... Where is one around here?

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    Calabazas Park (DJ) in Cupertino and Lake Cunningham (BMX/Skate) in SJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    ... I want to learn but finding how to learn is hard. That information is just not out there...
    there many of threads about this subject in the DJ forum. about once a month a more than informative thread generates...


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    Quote Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker. View Post
    there many of threads about this subject in the DJ forum. about once a month a more than informative thread generates...
    I just found the dirt jump forum last night

    I think I created that a couple years back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Froride1 and I had a talk about this yesterday, and my theory is that many MTB'ers are looking at the climbing/fitness/endurance aspect of the sport - sticking to fireroads and killing KOM's and such. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but you lose sight of a very important aspect of riding.

    I have a lot of work to do on my climbing speed (at least I'm not dead last like before), but I really enjoy having the bike handling skills - makes up for what I'm not so good at.
    There is a lot of truth to this.

    Most people are not racing, but focus on the "racing" part of their riding.
    As Dion said, there is nothing wrong with that, but it sure presents a limitation on the variety of the sport.
    I got myself a trial bike today, just for the kicks. Somehow I am quite sure that's gonna be a lot of fun. It has no purpose, I am never going to compete, and most likely never going to hit world class skills either.....but the fun that will bring, ooh yes!

    Had he been my son, I would have gone with whatever he thought was fun, and let him evolve over the years.
    After all, it's a lot nicer that he finds bikes interesting, no matter what type, than that he ends up being bored with it.


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    you guys are so wise.

    and thanks for the mention about the DJ forum. I gots some reading to do.

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    if you don't find the info you are looking for, just like any other forum, just ask with a legitimate question and you will get responses. we have quite the knowledgeable bunch there. some kooks too, but they're everywhere...


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    One thing that's popular is the Wed. night rides at Stanford (???). I had a trials bike, but realized, I can ride trials on my BMX bike (front + back brake, gyro and 4 pegs), which I rode trials on BITD. We rode trials and didn't even realize we were riding trials - we were just "freestyling".

    I have changed my attitude about riding a lot in the last few months, really relating it to the passion I had for BMX when I was younger. We just rode, no rhyme, no reason... just point your bike out the front door and start pedaling. I'm less about doing hill intervals and more about riding to ride, and not riding because I'm going to be pro.

    I will never be pro. I will never podium races, nor will I ever be the fastest climber nor downhiller - but I will always have fun.

    On Saturday, a bunch of my friends from Hayward did a 40 mile ride on their BMX bikes - 40 friggin' miles. They stopped and sessioned embankments, parking lots and planter boxes. They jumped curbs and bunnyhopped stuff. These guys are my age, and it took like 12 hours.

    Puts things in perspective for me.

    Newton - stop over-thinking it. You're putting too much mathematics into the equation - just ride. Less reading - more riding. I can teach you some basic bike handling stuff like rock-walks, pedal-offs and such. They're easy to do.

    If you get a dirt jump or BMX, we'll go session - I have a group of BMX buddies in our age group that are cool and have some cool spots to session. Nobody judges and everybody has fun - I'll take you to my old street session spots in Santa Cruz. If all you want to do is learn how to ride off planter boxes, do it. Next time we go to Demo, 2' - 3' drops will be nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    you guys are so wise.

    and thanks for the mention about the DJ forum. I gots some reading to do.
    Known bike lessons are:

    Bikeskills Bay Area Mountain Bike Skills Instruction

    Mountain Bike School, Mountain Bike Camps, coaching by Betterride

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    Trek Dirt Series: Mountain Bike Camps, Clinics & Instruction. Women's Only and Co-ed, based in Whistler, BC - mostly women only

    I have no experience with any of them except Dirt Series, which is mostly women only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Thanks. I've seen the Dirt Series, and get jealous.

    I've taken a Betterride 3-day basic course. Very informative, but nothing about pump and jump. Maybe the DH series? It's probably too advanced for me.

    I'll check out the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Newton - stop over-thinking it. You're putting too much mathematics into the equation - just ride. Less reading - more riding. I can teach you some basic bike handling stuff like rock-walks, pedal-offs and such. They're easy to do.
    Kinda hard for me. I'm an engineer. Everything I do runs through a thousand calculations in my mind, I mean *everything*. Sometimes the thoughts don't happen fast enough when I'm riding and I mess up. When I go along a trail, I see trail length, endurance capacity, angles off every object, speed, thrust, momentum, plotting out a trajectory. It's OCD. I have a hard time just "flowing" unless I've ridden there a dozen times.

    Sure, I'll go for lessons by Dion. I just don't session stuff. I'll buy a proper BMX bike first. 20" wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    Sure, I'll go for lessons by Dion. I just don't session stuff. I'll buy a proper BMX bike first. 20" wheels.
    When I was a kid, the Rite of Passage was being able to bunnyhop up the quad stage at Santa Cruz High. Back in those days, it was much taller, about the height of a top tube of a BMX bike standing up. Once you could make it up that, you were "a man".

    I wanted to work myself up to it, so, like any kid I learned how to bunnyhop up a curb. After that, we stack skateboards and bunnyhopped those... but then I got this idea of building a "bunnyhop measuring thing" and we made saw horse type stands that had a piece of PVC pipe that would fall off if we didn't clear it.

    Once I got to the SCHS quad stage, it was a piece of cake. Then, I realized that picnic tables were only 6" higher than the stage, so I started bunnyhopping that. Harbor Highschool had a crazy high stage (the height of my grips on my BMX bike standing up), and we were able to bunnyhop up that, soon after. But it all started with a curb.

    Same thing with 360's. Once I learned them off curbs, I started doing them off 2' high planter boxes, then the SCHS stage, then picnic tables. Then we started clearing stairs. First two stairs, then 3, then 4... and on.

    You kinda have to work incrementally. Start with curbs and work your way up. It's all about feeling, so you're gonna have to let your OCD go, man. Bruce Lee understands BMX for old dudes.


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    wide bars, thin pedals. definitely a front brake for a beginner. I run gears because I want to be able to do light trail riding and choose the perfect gear at the park but it does add significant weight to the back of a bike that is made specifically to be in the air.

    for dirt tires the sb8 is good and intense micro knobbies are popular too. on more mixed terrain theres the maxxis holy roller which I didn't like much in the dirt, the kenda k-rad, and schwalbe table top if you like spending a lot

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    What is this DJ forum heresy you all speak of?

    After reading the animated responses and heartfelt information....I may have to check it out. Maybe learn something for once !
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Yup, I have learned more about bike handling in the last 6 months compared to my last 12 years of riding. Most mountain bikers like me have never had a bike handling lesson. Most never get advice, seek advice on how to corner or do a drop.
    It's true. After a few hours and some fresh hops in the FC man cave I came away with advice that made me faster on my next ride. (descending that is)
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    I need to log some on a pump track. I figure pump track stuff and some general playing on some urban stuff can't do anything but help with skills... One of the days i'll make it back to Calabazas park. Spend an afternoon fooling around on the Chameleon... hopefully not breaking my self.

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    To those of you looking for jumping instruction and just overall DH handling skills instruction (cornering, drops, braking), I'd highly recommend this video. Fluidride Fluidride: Like a Pro – DVD

    I'm sure taking a course could be helpful as well, but much more expensive and there's only so much they can show you. I took one skills instruction session a few years back (not jumping) and found it a bit nerve wracking. You watch the guy do it the right way and then everybody gets to watch you demonstrate your lacking skills. Too much pressure.

    I think the video route is perfect because you can watch it repeatedly in between practice sessions. They really break down all the movements and use alot of slowmo to help visualize what's happening. And the intro trail riding segment is really cool. It always got me pumped to improve my skills so that hopefully I could ride like that someday. I made alot of progress, but I'll never be Lars .

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    Ze frame is here as I got a sweet deal and I have most of the parts.

    I don't think my kid likes the idea of the 26er. It turns out Bob Burnquist coached him on a bmx bike at the Dew tour.

    We'll build this up and pick up a bmx. We'll see how it turns out as we ride together anyway.

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    Francois,
    I have a 2010 We The People Zodiak (grey/blue) that your son might love. It has barely been used. I'll sell it to you/him cheap or trade for MTB gear :-) PM me if you're interested.

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    We slapped it together tonight. He loves it. It's definitely work in progress but we're pretty excited now.

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    awesome!! Lucky kid for sure...

    The jumps and pump track in Elk Grove are fun, I bring my full suspension out to practice every now and again.............and, my daughter likes to stand at the top and watch!

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    Child down.

    Ok, major setback. We snuck in a session at the park yesterday to get a feel for the bike. It's really light and fast. Moments after I took this video
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    he dropped in to the big side without brake checking. On the first jump, he endoed and crashed into the next jump. He was crumpled into the ground and was dazed. Nothing can really prepare a dad for that scene and I'm still having a hard time with it.

    I thought he shattered his clavicle as we took him to the ER. Verdict is the outer tip of the clavicle is broken and the clavicle is stretched up a bit. No surgery for now as we'll let it heal on its own and do physical therapy.

    He is now at home recovering with meds. Family is by his side and friends are coming over. Thank you for all the kind words in Facebook.

    This is a setback for sure. Hope he comes out of it ok.

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    Oh no! Poor Miguel - I ate it the exact same way on those same little jumps and was pulling gravel out of my elbows for months.

    The worst head injury I ever had was at Cali many years ago, when I wasn't much older than Miguel. Heal up, kid! We spilled the same blood in the same mud

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    Sorry to hear man. A similar thing happened to me a few months back at Z's, and I thought I broke some ribs or the sternum and my jaw. I did not get any confidence for descending, for a long time. I'm just finally getting my confidence back. Though, I won't take a jump now until I get the basics down.

    I hope he gets better.

    So, truth time....did the mrs. really lay into you? Just curious, I wouldn't hear the end of it, if it was my son, or worse my daughter. Fortunately, for me, it was just me and the mrs. didn't care that much, just another one of my billion crashes.

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    I took a glamour shot of my bike:


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    Sorry to hear about your son. I think that's every parents fear to see their child hurt. Healing vibes and wishing him a speedy recovery.

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    That was real unfair. First day on a new bike, and then such a spill.

    Send him my best wishes.

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    hope he heals quick, the young ones almost always do!
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    I hope your boy heals well and can get back on the horse soon. Reminds me of when I was a about 13 and got my first pair of stiff GS race skis ended up with a concussion on the first run .

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    Boy is good today. He had 4 visitors bearing gifts and I saw him two handing the xbox controller. Tomorrow, I'll take him to Bike SFO. His buddies were taking turns on his new bike.

    If I can only STOP patting him on the bad shoulder, he'd be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Boy is good today. He had 4 visitors bearing gifts and I saw him two handing the xbox controller. Tomorrow, I'll take him to Bike SFO. His buddies were taking turns on his new bike.

    If I can only STOP patting him on the bad shoulder, he'd be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Boy is good today. He had 4 visitors bearing gifts and I saw him two handing the xbox controller. Tomorrow, I'll take him to Bike SFO. His buddies were taking turns on his new bike.

    If I can only STOP patting him on the bad shoulder, he'd be good.

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    Glad he's better.

    It's also good to hear that kids haven't changed, always bum your buddies stuff!

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    Bummer man. Heal up quick!

    It happens to all of us, some more spectacularly than others! The first big crash is always the one we remember

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    Go Miguel! Best thing about being that age is they come back!

    Personally, I hate what they did to Cali... I wish they left it with Hill, endo, the tree ride (worst head injury I ever had), nut... Cali was never safe, but I think it was safer back then.

    Except for the doubles

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    He was looking smooth too. Hope his recovery is swift.

    Get him off that rigid fork ASAP

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    He had a story to tell the pros today!!
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    Nice! That must have sparked a bunch of talk about biggest crashes. But....why does the dad have the biggest smile? Ear to Ear, lol! Dad's way too stoked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    Nice! That must have sparked a bunch of talk about biggest crashes. But....why does the dad have the biggest smile? Ear to Ear, lol! Dad's way too stoked!

    Thanks for the well wishes. He is doing great as he's getting mobility back and is off the painkillers. Yesterday, at the show I think he felt the upside of his injury as he had a story to tell and all these dudes would make him feel at ease about recovery and welcomed him to the club. I think all the bike people just wanted to know that it was a bike injury.

    Last night, we talked about biking and his return to the track and how we make some adjustments. And he asked if we would have gone to the trail today if not for the injury.

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    Finally got to view the xray cd they gave me. I had to use a proprietary pc application. Stone age POS!! I had to take an iphone shot of the screen.
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    Back in the saddle. He said his christmas list is all bike stuff so his mental game is good.
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    nice!

    he has a road bike too? damn!

    i have the same trainer.

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    awesome!! and, with kids, how the hell do you keep your house so clean?
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    Injury update. The broken shoulder is healed! Miguel went to Calabasas every day last week during school break and he now has a little gang of hoodlums over there. His skill grows every day and he is turning the bars and whips the tail now when he jumps. He tells me how to do it but I have no idea what he's talking about.

    Yesterday, we hit the trail and visited a local builder. It was good day.

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    Miguel at Calabasas
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    Miguel is rusty with cornering and climbing but his flight is good
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    ET phone home
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    We talked about a custom dirt jumper
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    This man may not be in to it.

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    It broke my heart when I saw him crumpled on to the ground the day that he fell. But folks fall and they need to get up stronger and wiser. He's been through a month of PT and we are more aware of our skills and limitations.

    And he is happy as shown here in Hans Kellner's video last month at Krishna Dole's house.

    from Hans Kellner on Vimeo.

    Krishna has been expanding his pump track and it's shaping up to be quite fun. So he invited everyone over for a proper inauguration party.

    [ filmed on a GoPro Hero3 ]

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    Dirt Jump bike project

    Glad to see your son is doing better. Just to add to the pile on, a 20 inch bmx bike will do wonders for his mountain biking skills. My 9 year old wanted to try bmxing so got him a 20" intense on closeout from Jenson. In a matter of months he went from being a decent rider to having nearly the same skills I do. We road tahoe rim trail in October, he loves the rock gardens at Rockville and killed Chaperal at Joaquin Miller.
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    Nice comeback! I recently moved pretty close to Calabasas, so I've been riding over once a week. I really have no BMX skills, but it's fun to roll around and catch a little air on the smaller jumps. And there are some really fun big berms in the back of the park.
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    yup, he's getting a 20-inch. The negotiations are underway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    Nice comeback! I recently moved pretty close to Calabasas, so I've been riding over once a week. I really have no BMX skills, but it's fun to roll around and catch a little air on the smaller jumps. And there are some really fun big berms in the back of the park.
    What do you look like and what bike? Say hi to us as we will be there a lot.

    We'll go to Pleasanton too I hope.

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    Just look for the older blonde-haired guy on a black Ibis that looks WAY out of his element! Hope to see ya out there.

    Doug

    And a question for the BMXers: I've been riding my Mojo at the park, but thinking about taking the SS, with 32/20 gearing. Does that sound like a smart move? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    And a question for the BMXers: I've been riding my Mojo at the park, but thinking about taking the SS, with 32/20 gearing. Does that sound like a smart move? Thanks.
    Yup, that is way better as long as it's not a 29er. 32:16 is better but the rad kids don't even pedal once the bike gets going. Just slam that seat down and pump up the tires to 40 psi.

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    Sorry- yeah, it's a 26 (Tranny). I've noticed the lack of pedaling that the good kids/guys have. They don't waste too much energy! Thanks for the psi tip.
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    That bike is perfect!!

    Keep working on the small kids' area. That is the best part there, specially when there's no people.

    It's really unfortunate that place is built wrong. There is so much opportunity in that space, specially if there was a pump track.

    Lock your fork, pump up your tires and keep your body level as you roll through those jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    I've been riding my Mojo at the park, but thinking about taking the SS, with 32/20 gearing. Does that sound like a smart move? Thanks.
    I've never been to Calabasa's but, you might find 32/20 to be to slow to get enough speed for the jumps? I know at the Pleasnton Dirt jumps you have to pedal hard into the first jump or you wont have the momentun to clear it. An easy way to gear for dj/pump tracks is use half the teeth of the front chain ring and then adjust from there if needed. My last bike started at 32/16 then I changed it to 32/14 for a little more speed. I now run 28/13 on my new 26" Dj.

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    Traded for a bmx bike last night. Rode it with kid 3x today. Done.

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    He's rocking that bike! Nice flow and solid skills. Congrats Dad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fassn8 View Post
    He's rocking that bike! Nice flow and solid skills. Congrats Dad!
    Thanks for the bike Fassn8!! Rides so good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaverbiker View Post
    Yea, nice and smooth. It's good to see people riding bmx bikes these days. I wish I wasn't so tall or I'd ride one more often myself.

    I've seen many adult cyclists now in pump tracks and bmx parks as we watch our kids. Most of them are experienced mountain bikers and have no idea what they're doing when cornering or going over these rollers.

    Think about all the learning and experience we all can gain with a backyard or neighborhood pump track and skills set.

    ALL mountain bikers would benefit so much if they played around on the bike all the time.

    The timing is good for neighborhood bike tracks and for mountain bike skills lessons.
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    Santa Clara PAL is another great option. I ride my dj bike in practice and have a great time with my boys who both race. I'm planning on getting a race bike to work on my skills and have some fun racing.

    I drive my boys all over the Bay Area to ride different spots...polo grounds, epicenter pump track, cali, carlmont, shells, pleasanton bike park, livermore bmx & a couple of secret spots. I would love to see more pump tracks pop up but we do have a fair amount of spots if you're willing to drive.
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