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    Demo: Tractor Trail? - Ride Report.

    is it still down?? I want to do an all Demo ride and I like to ride up Tractor so just wondering if it is still being logged or whatever they shut it down for some time ago. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeng View Post
    is it still down?? I want to do an all Demo ride and I like to ride up Tractor so just wondering if it is still being logged or whatever they shut it down for some time ago. Thanks.
    My understanding is that Tractor as you knew it is done forever. Whatever replaces it in the future will probably be a pretty considerable reroute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeng View Post
    is it still down?? I want to do an all Demo ride and I like to ride up Tractor so just wondering if it is still being logged or whatever they shut it down for some time ago. Thanks.
    For an "All Demo" you can do:
    Corral and climb back up Sulfur Springs and take the Saw Pit loop. Then, get to the base of Sulfur Springs from Hilm and climb it again and take Braille.

    I want to dub this the Demo Triple Crown.

    I miss Tractor too. I was a good trail not to use brakes on.................
    Lead by my Lefty............... right down the trail, no brakes.

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    Like a phoenix, Tractor Trail will be reborn into a better, more flow-y-er beast. Perhaps this winter if we can line up the resources...

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    Tractor is still closed. I think all the redwood has been shipped but there is still some hardwood harvesting and other close up operations happening.

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    We must be patient with SDF as in fact the mission of the place is to do logging (more sustainable techniques than average...but logging nontheeless). Still, one is left with the feeling with Tractor Trail that the pooch has been screwed... How is it that the MTB community must now find the financing to re-build the trail that was snuffed out by the big yellow log taxis? Wasn't it part of the bid for the logging operation to provide funds to re-build the trail? If not, why not?

    I know it's the deal we've got to work with...Demo is called Demo Forest for a reason, but still it does feel that things really didn't work out right in terms of the 2-year(?) Tractor Trail tribulation.

    Braille is the most famous, but Demo really has very few trails, and losing one is really a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primordial View Post
    We must be patient with SDF as in fact the mission of the place is to do logging (more sustainable techniques than average...but logging nontheeless). Still, one is left with the feeling with Tractor Trail that the pooch has been screwed... How is it that the MTB community must now find the financing to re-build the trail that was snuffed out by the big yellow log taxis? Wasn't it part of the bid for the logging operation to provide funds to re-build the trail? If not, why not?

    I know it's the deal we've got to work with...Demo is called Demo Forest for a reason, but still it does feel that things really didn't work out right in terms of the 2-year(?) Tractor Trail tribulation.

    Braille is the most famous, but Demo really has very few trails, and losing one is really a big deal.
    I don't know the answers to those questions - good ones for sure. But I do know that loggers don't know how to build fun mountain biking trails, and I assume the "resources" that Mr. Toad is speaking of means, human resources - i.e. time - to design and build the trail to all of our riding benefit.
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    I did the ride with Jeng and company. It was incredible. Three crashes and two broken bikes. There was a lot of riding and a lot of ayer time.

    Jeng had a full speed crash as he smacked into a pile of logs. He needed a few minutes to relax but then he led the charge again.

    We met up with a few folks then everybody started cramping. I told them about all the Russian River beer in my car and everyone made it back in one piece.


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    Olympus OM-D photos.

    It's nice to have a camera that can capture the fast action in that dark forest.
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    There's so much potential out at Demo, but no trail is worth having a tree fall on you. Every time I'm out there and hear creaking I get nervous.
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    Personally, I am glad tractor is gone and am very excited about what we can build in its place. Want to make it rad? Then show up for trailwork days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuLax18 View Post
    There's so much potential out at Demo, but no trail is worth having a tree fall on you. Every time I'm out there and hear creaking I get nervous.
    For realzzzzzz?

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    Demo is a little beat right now but it is full suspension heaven. Braille is choppy and dusty. Corral is good. But Saw Pit is in amazing shape. That trail is dust proof and rain proof. So awesome.

    I was super confident at Demo even in the dust. Big tires and better cornering is cool. Dropper post is a huge plus there!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    For realzzzzzz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Demo is a little beat right now but it is full suspension heaven. Braille is choppy and dusty. Corral is good. But Saw Pit is in amazing shape. That trail is dust proof and rain proof. So awesome.

    I was super confident at Demo even in the dust. Big tires and better cornering is cool. Dropper post is a huge plus there!!

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    dude, my friend and i hit braille for the first time yesterday (before, we had been to demo 6 or 7 times, but did the corral--> sulphur springs--> sawpit loop). holy shiet! he rode 99% of it on his 96 bridgestone MB-1 (w/ girvin flexstem)---i ended up walking some of the techie stuff after those first 3 steep sections in sequence. i dunno, after blasting those, i was so high i kinda lost focus on the rest of the trail!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dth656 View Post
    dude, my friend and i hit braille for the first time yesterday (before, we had been to demo 6 or 7 times, but did the corral--> sulphur springs--> sawpit loop). holy shiet! he rode 99% of it on his 96 bridgestone MB-1 (w/ girvin flexstem)---i ended up walking some of the techie stuff after those first 3 steep sections in sequence. i dunno, after blasting those, i was so high i kinda lost focus on the rest of the trail!
    I think most of us forget about the true trail treasure we have here which is Demo Forest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuLax18 View Post
    Yes, now mind you this is not on the trails.
    Ok.... what exactly are you taking about. Curious now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    I did the ride with Jeng and company. It was incredible. Three crashes and two broken bikes. There was a lot of riding and a lot of ayer time.

    Jeng had a full speed crash as he smacked into a pile of logs. He needed a few minutes to relax but then he led the charge again.
    You should see my eye this morning Thanks for the photo's and BEER. Good ridin witcha

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeng View Post
    You should see my eye this morning Thanks for the photo's and BEER. Good ridin witcha
    Let's see it dude. Does it look like you went 15 rounds with a pile of logs?

    Riding with you, Jason Van Horne and Michael Fine is a lesson in cornering braaap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrtoadsc View Post
    Like a phoenix, Tractor Trail will be reborn into a better, more flow-y-er beast. Perhaps this winter if we can line up the resources...
    Do you know if the logging is already done? I mean I'm excited to build a new trail but I guess we'd still have to wait until they open it up for building. Hoping that we can start as soon as the first rain falls.

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    3 Days... 3 Parks...

    That looks like it was a good group ride @ Demo yesterday... nice pics! I was out @ Demo Saturday morning. Hardly anyone out there. I expected it to be more crowded on a holiday weekend.

    Amazing weekend of riding for me... I finally got a chance to ride Skeggs, Demo, and Annadel back to back... 3 days... 3 parks. Capped everything off with a visit to RRB for some Pliny and a day off the bike to swim with my kids.

    Friday - crammed 4 of my favorite DHs into a Skeggs loop after work
    Saturday - Early morning Demo loop... everything except Corral.
    Sunday - 26 miles or so @ Annadel. Hot temps and fun rocky trail goodness.

    Have not had a chance to grab any stills off my GoPro yet... so just a shot of a post-Annadel my victory beer:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg View Post
    I miss Tractor too. I was a good trail not to use brakes on.................
    Hell yea fast & furious lot of good times on that one, it will be missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask View Post

    Amazing weekend of riding for me... I finally got a chance to ride Skeggs, Demo, and Annadel back to back... 3 days... 3 parks. Capped everything off with a visit to RRB for some Pliny and a day off the bike to swim with my kids.
    Now that is a weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Ok.... what exactly are you taking about. Curious now.

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    Next time I want to see Mike Fine's Strava times on the fun sections. Keep him railing...
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    Gentlemen... Start your engines. Tractor is ON

    Tractor Trail is now officially open as mrtoadsc points out (Soquel Demonstration Forest Trail Work?)

    Please note that even though work in the area is still not done, we want to re-open the road and trail for users. Our contractors did not finish all the hardwood harvesting and road work planned so we will be going into a 3rd year of operations. There may be some brief trail closures if necessary to protect public safety so look for signs at the parking lot and ellsewhere around the Forest. If you encounter an active operation on or adjacent to Tractor Trail, please stay on the road until sommeone directs you around the area.

    Drew, Mark and many more dedicated folks from MBOSC and Stewards of Soquel Forest are working with us to design a new single track trail that will generally parallel Tractor Trail. Trailwork dates and sign-ups will be posted at trailworkers.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Structure View Post
    Next time I want to see Mike Fine's Strava times on the fun sections. Keep him railing...
    Mike sure is showing his age
    Can he still tear it up?

    On a side note, I'm looking forward to a new tractor route.

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    Cool

    Time for the "orange tractor" to do a tractor test run ? Remember like in golf to ... replace your divot LP!
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    Tractor has always been a step child trail to ride back up to braille after saw pit. Is the new single track meant for more mellow up and down or is it loaded with features and better as down?

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    This is a reminder that the road to Demo is blocked by a mudslide. It's expected to be cleared on Monday, Jan 7

    Highland Way mudslide expected to be cleared Monday - Santa Cruz Sentinel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loll View Post
    Tractor has always been a step child trail to ride back up to braille after saw pit. Is the new single track meant for more mellow up and down or is it loaded with features and better as down?
    I have a feeling Tractor is more of a road right now due to it just being logged but what it becomes in the future is up to those who get involved and do trail work.

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    As lame as this will sound, I say keep Tractor Newbie. Makes for a better climb and keeps rookies off harder trails and thus less EMT work. My $.02.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    As lame as this will sound, I say keep Tractor Newbie. Makes for a better climb and keeps rookies off harder trails and thus less EMT work. My $.02.
    I am with you. Not Midpen 4' wide and flat beginner, but something easier relative to the other trails in the Demo. At the very least, each stunt needs an obvious go around.

    Truthfully, I used Tractor much more as an uphill than downhill. Made for a good loop to hammer my legs into submission of down Sawpit, up Tractor, down Braille.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    As lame as this will sound, I say keep Tractor Newbie. Makes for a better climb and keeps rookies off harder trails and thus less EMT work. My $.02.
    Make it suuuuuper twisty and bermy. Kid and spouse friendly but really awesome for cornering and high speed handling too.

    Make it miserable for climbing (super long) so it is not relegated to climbing.

    Give it option lines for skills. Make it a skills trail.

    The problem with the old tractor was too many darn straightaways.

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    Some thinking...

    Quote Originally Posted by Loll View Post
    Tractor has always been a step child trail to ride back up to braille after saw pit. Is the new single track meant for more mellow up and down or is it loaded with features and better as down?
    Drew (MBOSC trail guru) has been sharing his thoughts on this and have been expressing them with Angela (forest manager).

    We want to create a narrow low grade (< 12%) flow trail. This could be a directional one way (down) trail and it would probably be like a pump track with some nice berms. It will be accessible for beginner/intermediate but also fun for advanced riders. Our objectives is to create a fun and environmentally sustainable trail. Come work with us on the Emma McCrary Trail in Pogonip to see how we apply these ideas to new trail design. Emma's trail is a 4 ft wide multi-use trail. Perhaps we can build the new trail as 2 ft wide.

    The original tractor would be maintained as a fire road for access and uphill riding. We hope we can come up with a trail plan to implement this soon.

    None of these comments constitutes an actual plan but there is buy in for these ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrtoadsc View Post
    Drew (MBOSC trail guru) has been sharing his thoughts on this and have been expressing them with Angela (forest manager).

    We want to create a narrow low grade (< 12%) flow trail. This could be a directional one way (down) trail and it would probably be like a pump track with some nice berms. It will be accessible for beginner/intermediate but also fun for advanced riders. Our objectives is to create a fun and environmentally sustainable trail. Come work with us on the Emma McCrary Trail in Pogonip to see how we apply these ideas to new trail design. Emma's trail is a 4 ft wide multi-use trail. Perhaps we can build the new trail as 2 ft wide.

    The original tractor would be maintained as a fire road for access and uphill riding. We hope we can come up with a trail plan to implement this soon.

    None of these comments constitutes an actual plan but there is buy in for these ideas.
    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/2284135?color=ff9933" width="800" height="603" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/2284135">AllRide Edit of Whoops Trail in Bend, Or</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user430500">Kirt Voreis</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p> <p></p>
    YEAH!

    Some elements of the the Bend, OR, Whoops Trail would be good. The first time I went on it, I got zero inches of launch elevation. But as I got to know it, it got better. This trail drops all of 600 feet but it is so long with very little braking.



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    Please keep the nice log jumps/drops @ the top. I have been wanting to hit those and have been waiting for this trail to open....they look pretty fun to me!!!

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    I second the idea of a flowy trail with berms and when I think of berms I think of this:

    (the video has great riding and trails throughout, but skip to 4:30 for the picture perfect berms)

    I also think about how rutted and crappy the berms will become unless we apply more effort to promote trailwork at Demo. I'm ready to earn some sweat equity to make this happen.

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    Cant a brother get a table top around here...
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    Yep I rode it yesterday and confirmed..... It's a tank road now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Make it suuuuuper twisty and bermy. Kid and spouse friendly but really awesome for cornering and high speed handling too.

    Make it miserable for climbing (super long) so it is not relegated to climbing.

    Give it option lines for skills. Make it a skills trail.

    The problem with the old tractor was too many darn straightaways.

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    I loved that trail as both up and down. Some combo of either would be ideal. And yes, I've been riding at SD for well beyond a decade.....I'd be happy to give back here around trail work. Such a special area.
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    I like the beginner/intermediate trail idea kind of like it was before.

    I always climbed "Suffer" Springs instead of going up tractor to get to Braille. However, I don't think a one way designation is really needed though.
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    I for one would like the option of taking Tractor back up after Sawpit to Braille.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StuLax18 View Post
    I for one would like the option of taking Tractor back up after Sawpit to Braille.
    Careful what you wish for...it's a *****!
    I'm not sure how this works.

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