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    Demo Flow Trail project update and Trail Construction Crew Leader Training

    Demo Flow Trail Project Update
    Since the completion of the Emma McCrary trail, MBOSC has been hard at work behind the scenes on the Demo Flow Trail project and we wanted to give folks an update on the status of the project and our plans for the summer and fall. We are starting a google group to keep people informed about this project. Send an email to mbosc-demo+subscribe@googlegroups.com to sign up.

    If you haven't heard, our Own the Flow Ibis Ripley raffle raised $44,000 for the project! Thanks a bunch to Ibis Cycles and to all of you who donated. We estimate that this project will take at least $100,000 to complete, so if you, your company, or anyone you know would like to make a donation, or if you know of any grants we should pursue, please let us know.

    The club is working with CALFIRE to complete the environmental documentation and secure any necessary permits. We are making good progress and everything should be lined up to begin work this year.
    We plan to begin construction in the fall once the rain starts again and we have moist soil to work with. Moist soil is going to be key for proper compaction of berms, rollers, and other features and keeping the trail solid during both the wet and dry months. We should have at least a couple of segments ready to ride by the spring.

    Trail Construction Crew Leader Training
    The Flow Trail Project will be a huge undertaking and will take lots of skilled and dedicated volunteers to make it a success. Due to the remote location we intend to conduct LARGE workdays and even work weekends where many volunteers will work on large portions of the trail at the same time. In order for this to work we need trained crew leaders who are all on the same page and can work together as a team to pull it off!

    This summer we are conducting a trailwork and crew leader training series. If you are interested in making a significant contribution and being involved in helping lead this project we encourage you to attend these training events. However, if you don't want to lead a crew but want to learn more about trail construction feel free to attend! There will be both classroom sessions and field based exercises discussing trail design, construction, and volunteer management. We will hold evening classes both in Santa Cruz and the San Jose area and will hold field training sessions in Demo. Additionally, we will take field trips to the Emma McCrary trail and the Endor Flow Trail in Tamarancho up in Marin to gain understanding of flow trail design and construction.

    Please sign up for the Crew Leader Training by sending email to trails@mbosc.org Crew Leaders should complete the series before being assigned to independently lead a trail construction crew on the Demo Flow Trail. You will receive a course binder and various materials at Class 1. Once you have completed the series at Class 5 you will be awarded a very special Crew Leader swag bag that will allow you to be dressed and equipped for leadership success!

    Course Descriptions are below.

    Class 1) Trail design overview This class will cover various topics on trail design for the Flow Trail as well as other types of trails, and includes designing for intended use, sustainability, soils, trail grade, features, and user safety. Also we will discuss how the design is laid out and marked, revised and finalized, and the crew leader's role in implementing the design.

    Class 2) Trail construction overview This class will build on Class 1, and will focus again on how we will be building the Flow Trail but will also cover construction for other types of trails. Topics include construction standards and techniques, steps and sequence of construction including use of mechanized equipment, how crews work most efficiently, various tools used etc.

    Class 3) Trail construction workshop This field session will be held in Soquel Demo Forest. We will take the information from Classes 1 & 2, and discuss and practice laying out trail segments, and practice various trail construction methods for different elements of the Flow Trail.

    Class 4) Trail crew leadership Topics in this class will focus on the human element of working with volunteers, project managers, and the land manager. We will discuss workday schedule of events, respecting volunteer's time and effort, safety, following guidelines, working with different personality and body types, teaching vs. doing, the crew leader's role on a large workday, working together as a team with other crew leaders, etc.

    Class 5) Trail crew workshop This field session will be held in Soquel Demo Forest. We will put the lessons from Classes 3 and 4 to work. Various scenarios will be enacted allowing crew leaders to practice leadership skills on a mock volunteer workday.

    Field Trip 1) Emma McCrary Trail, Santa Cruz This field trip will bring crew leaders to certain focal points on this newly constructed multi-use trail and will discuss various issues related to trail user experience, trail design, construction and crew leadership.

    Field Trip 2) Endor Flow Trail, Fairfax This field trip will bring crew leaders to certain focal points on this newly constructed purpose built Flow Trail and will discuss its unique design, professional mechanized construction blended with volunteer help, and challenges related to maintaining a Flow Trail after construction

    Tentative Schedule of Classes (subject to change) below. Classes 1, 2, and 4 are indoors, evenings, 2 hours. Curriculum will be the same at both, hopefully most people can make one of the two dates for each class. The workshops and field trips are outdoors, weekends lasting about half a day:

    Section A Santa Cruz) Evening classes will be held Wednesdays from 6 to 8pm in Santa Cruz. Workshops and Field Trips are Saturdays 9-3pm.
    Location Geo H. Wilson Inc. 250 Harvey West Blvd, Santa Cruz
    Class 1: 7/31 Wednesday 6 to 8pm
    Class 2: 8/14 Wednesday 6 to 8pm
    Field Trip 1: 8/17 Saturday 9-3pm
    Class 3: 8/24 Saturday 9-3pm
    Field Trip 2: TBD Saturday
    Class 4: 9/11 Wednesday 6 to 8pm
    Class 5: 9/28 Saturday 9-3pm (formally 9/14, rescheduled)

    Section B South Bay) Evening classes will be held Thursdays from 6:30 to 8:30 in the South Bay. Workshops and Field Trips are Sundays 9-3pm.
    Location Camarush, 1257 Dell Ave., Campbell CA 95008
    Class 1: 8/8 Thursday 6:30 to 8:30pm
    Class 2: 8/22 Thursday 6:30 to 8:30pm
    Field Trip 1: 8/25 Sunday 9-3pm
    Class 3: 9/8 Sunday 9-3pm
    Field Trip 2: TBD Sunday
    Class 4: 9/12 Thursday 6:30 to 8:30pm
    Class 5: 9/22 Sunday 9-3pm

    We may consider adding a Section C, or makeup sections if there is enough demand.

    Please sign up for the Crew Leader Training by sending an email to trails@mbosc.org with the subject: Crew leader training

    If you do not want to be a crew leader but would like to be notified of trailwork once we begin, please sign up to our email list by sending a message to mbosc-demo+subscribe@googlegroups.com to sign up.

    Thanks again for your support of this project!

    Mountain Bikers of Santa Cruz and Stewards of Soquel Forest
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    Yeehaw...just asked to be a crew leader...can't wait to get this going!!! Thanks Drew!
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    Gonna be so much fun to get this trail built! Come be a part of the team!
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    Drew, I was unable to get some $ put into the raffle. Is there a link or address to sent some $'s to the effort?

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    That's beautiful news, Drew. Thanks or the info! Time for folks to step up (or you can't complain after the fact!).
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    Crew leader here! But I can't make either of the class 5 sessions

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    leaguerider, you can donate on MBOSC's membership page Membership | Mountain Bikers of Santa Cruz (MBOSC)

    (or join, or both). Thanks for supporting the flow trail!

    And Dan, we will probably have some make-up sessions, so don't worry!
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    After a few years of participating in organized trail work days I have come to the conclusion that I am a grunt and not a trail engineer. See you guys out there. Looking forward to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    After a few years of participating in organized trail work days I have come to the conclusion that I am a grunt and not a trail engineer. See you guys out there. Looking forward to it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    After a few years of participating in organized trail work days I have come to the conclusion that I am a grunt and not a trail engineer. See you guys out there. Looking forward to it.
    Grunts needed and welcome, there is gonna be a lot of dirt to move.
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    Demo Flow Trail project update and Trail Construction Crew Leader Training

    Keith you may have some trail engineer hiding in there, coming to the class couldn't hurt.

    Dan dates are still tentative so maybe it will work out for you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by drew p View Post
    Keith you may have some trail engineer hiding in there, coming to the class couldn't hurt.
    Deep hiding. I'm going to be out of town next week but I'll try to hit Class 2.

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    Thanks, Drew. This is a great opportunity.

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    Demo Flow Trail project update and Trail Construction Crew Leader Training

    Nicely done Drew. Keeping the process public and positive are key for getting volunteers involved. I'd love to help out this winter.

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    Schedule looks good for Session B. Sending in request for the Crew leader.
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    Hate that I won't get to be a part of this, but I know it is in very capable hands.
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    I rode at Demo quite a bit last summer and will be moving to the south bay area in around a month, so definitely want to get involved in this.
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    The first class covering trail design is this Wednesday evening 7/31 at 6pm. Location is conference room at Geo H. Wilson at 250 Harvey W Blvd, Santa Cruz, CA 95060. In the Harvey West area just up the street from the Costco gas station and across from the Harvey West Pool.

    The same class will be given in the South Bay next Thursday, August 8th.


    Again, classes are open to anyone interested in learning more about trail construction and helping out on the Flow trail. If you don't want to be a crew leader that is fine.

    Please email trails@mbosc.org if you plan to attend.

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    Big thanks to the 18 folks who came to Class 1 in Santa Cruz today. Class 1 will be held again in the south bay next Thursday. Hope to see you there.

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    Just signed up. Glad to be a part of this.

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    The first class was great! This is a very thorough and thought out program designed to build a world class trail that will last and require minimal maintenance...and kick ass. If the class turn out is any indication of volunteer turn out for getting this done, we are looking good! Thanks Drew, Patty, Ed and everyone else! Looking forward to Class #2...and beyond.
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    Re: Demo Flow Trail project update and Trail Construction Crew Leader Training

    I'm really stoked at the level of interest people are showing for this! Doing the math..... I figure it's realistic to assume we can get half our crew leaders to work on any given workday, and each crew leader can handle a crew of 8 volunteers, and so far we had 18 peeps at the Santa Cruz class, and have 15 registered for the South Bay class..... that's setting us up to be able to manage 135 volunteers!

    Can you say trail work PARTAY!!!??

    We are going to get this trail built before you can say banked turns, baby!
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    This looks awesome! I've not been on MTBR much and is the first I've heard of this. Is there going to be some way to slow down traffic at the trail intersections? I'll keep an eye out on being a grunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    This looks awesome! I've not been on MTBR much and is the first I've heard of this. Is there going to be some way to slow down traffic at the trail intersections? I'll keep an eye out on being a grunt.
    Yes, at each trail intersection the Flow trail will basically jump over the old Tractor Trail.

    It will be like a table top jump with an 8 foot section cut out for Tractor traffic to go underneath the Flow riders. Some call it a gap jump, but I've heard other names.

    It's a pretty ingenious set up in my opinion.

    Something like this
    Demo Flow Trail project update and Trail Construction Crew Leader Training-gapjump_web.jpg



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    Y'guys know where you'll be having the South Bay classes???
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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post
    Y'guys know where you'll be having the South Bay classes???
    I'm working on that today. If I don't find a good meeting room for basically free, it will be at my house. Which means that if you are on the fence about going, please register by sending your intention to Drew at trails@mbosc.org so that you can get the meeting location, cuz I'm not posting my address on MTBR
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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    This looks awesome! I've not been on MTBR much and is the first I've heard of this. Is there going to be some way to slow down traffic at the trail intersections? I'll keep an eye out on being a grunt.
    Part of the design of the Flow Trail is that it is laid out so that there will be a slight climb and some speed-scrubbing features before the intersections with the old Tractor Trail (now a road), so that riders will have to be pedaling when they are about to cross Tractor. Also, these junctions will have clear line of sight for all four directions of travel, so no surprises. I do like ziscwg's idea, but for safety reasons we are going to go with table-tops instead of gaps.
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    Crew leader training class 1 location

    The South Bay crew leader training class will be held in Campbell at the offices of Camarush at 1257 Dell Ave., Campbell CA 95008, 6:30-8:30. This location is easily accessible by bike off the Los Gatos Creek Trail, and bike parking is available inside. Also note we are adjusting the schedule for the South Bay class 2 which will be Aug 22 instead of the 15th.

    Class 1 is an overview of the project and covers trail design basics. The class will take about 2 hours and we will start promptly at 6:30.

    All interested in trail design and construction are welcome to join, no expectation for anyone to become a crew leader if they would prefer not to.

    Please email trails@mbosc.org if you plan to attend (and have not emailed me already).

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    Quote Originally Posted by drew p View Post
    The South Bay crew leader training class will be held in Campbell at the offices of Camarush at 1257 Dell Ave., Campbell CA 95008, 6:30-8:30. This location is easily accessible by bike off the Los Gatos Creek Trail, and bike parking is available inside. Also note we are adjusting the schedule for the South Bay class 2 which will be Aug 22 instead of the 15th.

    Class 1 is an overview of the project and covers trail design basics. The class will take about 2 hours and we will start promptly at 6:30.

    All interested in trail design and construction are welcome to join, no expectation for anyone to become a crew leader if they would prefer not to.

    Please email trails@mbosc.org if you plan to attend (and have not emailed me already).
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    Imagine my surprise when I showed up to the George Wilson building last night at 6 to find the doors locked. What is it the kids say...epic fail?

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    For us older folks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by drew p View Post
    Demo Flow Trail Project Update
    Since the completion of the Emma McCrary trail, MBOSC has been hard at work behind the scenes on the Demo Flow Trail project and we wanted to give folks an update on the status of the project and our plans for the summer and fall. We are starting a google group to keep people informed about this project. Send an email to mbosc-demo+subscribe@googlegroups.com to sign up.

    If you haven't heard, our Own the Flow Ibis Ripley raffle raised $44,000 for the project! Thanks a bunch to Ibis Cycles and to all of you who donated. We estimate that this project will take at least $100,000 to complete, so if you, your company, or anyone you know would like to make a donation, or if you know of any grants we should pursue, please let us know.

    The club is working with CALFIRE to complete the environmental documentation and secure any necessary permits. We are making good progress and everything should be lined up to begin work this year.
    We plan to begin construction in the fall once the rain starts again and we have moist soil to work with. Moist soil is going to be key for proper compaction of berms, rollers, and other features and keeping the trail solid during both the wet and dry months. We should have at least a couple of segments ready to ride by the spring.

    Trail Construction Crew Leader Training
    The Flow Trail Project will be a huge undertaking and will take lots of skilled and dedicated volunteers to make it a success. Due to the remote location we intend to conduct LARGE workdays and even work weekends where many volunteers will work on large portions of the trail at the same time. In order for this to work we need trained crew leaders who are all on the same page and can work together as a team to pull it off!

    This summer we are conducting a trailwork and crew leader training series. If you are interested in making a significant contribution and being involved in helping lead this project we encourage you to attend these training events. However, if you don't want to lead a crew but want to learn more about trail construction feel free to attend! There will be both classroom sessions and field based exercises discussing trail design, construction, and volunteer management. We will hold evening classes both in Santa Cruz and the San Jose area and will hold field training sessions in Demo. Additionally, we will take field trips to the Emma McCrary trail and the Endor Flow Trail in Tamarancho up in Marin to gain understanding of flow trail design and construction.

    Please sign up for the Crew Leader Training by sending email to trails@mbosc.org Crew Leaders should complete the series before being assigned to independently lead a trail construction crew on the Demo Flow Trail. You will receive a course binder and various materials at Class 1. Once you have completed the series at Class 5 you will be awarded a very special Crew Leader swag bag that will allow you to be dressed and equipped for leadership success!

    Course Descriptions are below.

    Class 1) Trail design overview This class will cover various topics on trail design for the Flow Trail as well as other types of trails, and includes designing for intended use, sustainability, soils, trail grade, features, and user safety. Also we will discuss how the design is laid out and marked, revised and finalized, and the crew leader's role in implementing the design.

    Class 2) Trail construction overview This class will build on Class 1, and will focus again on how we will be building the Flow Trail but will also cover construction for other types of trails. Topics include construction standards and techniques, steps and sequence of construction including use of mechanized equipment, how crews work most efficiently, various tools used etc.

    Class 3) Trail construction workshop This field session will be held in Soquel Demo Forest. We will take the information from Classes 1 & 2, and discuss and practice laying out trail segments, and practice various trail construction methods for different elements of the Flow Trail.

    Class 4) Trail crew leadership Topics in this class will focus on the human element of working with volunteers, project managers, and the land manager. We will discuss workday schedule of events, respecting volunteer's time and effort, safety, following guidelines, working with different personality and body types, teaching vs. doing, the crew leader's role on a large workday, working together as a team with other crew leaders, etc.

    Class 5) Trail crew workshop This field session will be held in Soquel Demo Forest. We will put the lessons from Classes 3 and 4 to work. Various scenarios will be enacted allowing crew leaders to practice leadership skills on a mock volunteer workday.

    Field Trip 1) Emma McCrary Trail, Santa Cruz This field trip will bring crew leaders to certain focal points on this newly constructed multi-use trail and will discuss various issues related to trail user experience, trail design, construction and crew leadership.

    Field Trip 2) Endor Flow Trail, Fairfax This field trip will bring crew leaders to certain focal points on this newly constructed purpose built Flow Trail and will discuss its unique design, professional mechanized construction blended with volunteer help, and challenges related to maintaining a Flow Trail after construction

    Tentative Schedule of Classes (subject to change) below. Classes 1, 2, and 4 are indoors, evenings, 2 hours. Curriculum will be the same at both, hopefully most people can make one of the two dates for each class. The workshops and field trips are outdoors, weekends lasting about half a day:

    Section A Santa Cruz) Evening classes will be held Wednesdays from 6 to 8pm in Santa Cruz. Workshops and Field Trips are Saturdays 9-3pm.
    Location Geo H. Wilson Inc. 250 Harvey West Blvd, Santa Cruz
    Class 1: 7/31 Wednesday 6 to 8pm
    Class 2: 8/14 Wednesday 6 to 8pm
    Field Trip 1: 8/17 Saturday 9-3pm
    Class 3: 8/24 Saturday 9-3pm
    Field Trip 2: TBD Saturday
    Class 4: 9/11 Wednesday 6 to 8pm
    Class 5: 9/14 Saturday 9-3pm

    Section B South Bay) Evening classes will be held Thursdays from 6:30 to 8:30 in the South Bay. Workshops and Field Trips are Sundays 9-3pm.
    Location Camarush, 1257 Dell Ave., Campbell CA 95008
    Class 1: 8/8 Thursday 6:30 to 8:30pm
    Class 2: 8/22 Thursday 6:30 to 8:30pm
    Field Trip 1: 8/25 Sunday 9-3pm
    Class 3: 9/8 Sunday 9-3pm
    Field Trip 2: TBD Sunday
    Class 4: 9/12 Thursday 6:30 to 8:30pm
    Class 5: 9/22 Sunday 9-3pm

    We may consider adding a Section C, or makeup sections if there is enough demand.

    Please sign up for the Crew Leader Training by sending an email to trails@mbosc.org with the subject: Crew leader training

    If you do not want to be a crew leader but would like to be notified of trailwork once we begin, please sign up to our email list by sending a message to mbosc-demo+subscribe@googlegroups.com to sign up.

    Thanks again for your support of this project!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    Imagine my surprise when I showed up to the George Wilson building last night at 6 to find the doors locked. What is it the kids say...epic fail?
    Wow, bummer! Did we screw up with our schedule announcements, or did you screw up with reading them? Either way, sorry for your wasted time! :-(

    We will be in Campbell tonight, back in Santa Cruz next week for class 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knobbyknees View Post
    Wow, bummer! Did we screw up with our schedule announcements, or did you screw up with reading them? Either way, sorry for your wasted time! :-(

    We will be in Campbell tonight, back in Santa Cruz next week for class 2.
    Nobody's fault but my own. I totally screwed up reading the schedule.

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    Great class last night Drew and Pattie! It's cool to be learning the art and science of trail building - makes me look at trails in a whole new way.

    For anyone on-the-fence about getting involved - just do it! This is a unique opportunity to develop a really useful skillset. Even if you don't plan to lead a group, this will make you a better worker, maybe a better rider, and definitely an asset to the local MTB community.

    Props to all those involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post
    ...let's get the details on a new page...
    whooooooaaaaa...trippy man. Is anyone else seeing this? FAr out!~
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    bumping to remind folks we are having Class 2 tomorrow (Wednesday 8/14) at 6pm at Geo. H. Wilson, 250 Harvey West Blvd, Santa Cruz.

    You don't have to commit to being a crew leader to attend, and you don't have to take the classes in sequence, or even take all the classes.

    I have had about 10 people sign up who couldn't do the first class for whatever reason, so we are looking at having a make-up session for Class 1.
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    Don't have an interest in going to class, but I can build a mean berm! Looking forward to putting a shovel in the ground as soon as you guys say go! Build it steep, build it deep!

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    I love that you are giving classes for trail leaders and not just letting anyone go nuts with a shovel, cause that does not always work out so great!!

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    Flow Trail Field Trip pics

    Terrific field trip up there at Emma in SC today. Great job Drew and crew. Pics (by the way, MTBR photo uploader SUCKS!!! This is my third try...the last three failed and put all my photos out of order):
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    ^^^Great photos Josh!

    Mine were so-so at best:

    Bridge traffic


    Smiling faces! (mostly)

    So we'll be up in Demo tomorrow 9~3 for Class # 3 (maybe on Corral Trail? Or ???)

    Practical application of classroom sessions 1 and 2.

    Say howdy if you're in the area!
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    Re: Demo Flow Trail project update and Trail Construction Crew Leader Training

    I can't make this one but am planning on the next one. Have fun out there.

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    Another fun day in the woods...



    About equal parts digging and discussing the how/when/where/who/why and why not of trail layout and construction to confirm to CDF standards.
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    That guy in the hardhat sure stands around a lot.

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    Time-lapse photobombing

    Quote Originally Posted by drew p View Post
    That guy in the hardhat sure stands around a lot.
    That guy in the hardhat was still holding up the tree when the GoPro took its last image:

    That's Travis (tjhspapa) retrieving my GoPro.

    Not an intentional photobomb; just making sure the camera on:


    There's one in every crowd:


    On the hike in we stopped to discuss erosion problems on steep fall line trails:

    That's Dan (d-bug) on the left; instructors Drew (drew p) and Patty (knobbyknees) center facing uphill.

    FWIW I ran up the upper "wall" on Corral Trail to check the slope with a clinometer; about 40%:

    It's hoped that the new reroute will eventually attract all the traffic and nature will reclaim this section.

    We didn't cut the big trees in this area of the re-route; it was done as part of CDF training. Hopefully we may be able to use some of this timber in "structures":


    The second time lapse location didn't see as much activity; the area got the duff raked off but the bench cutting never caught up to it:

    The next session should take the trail past this point.
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    Dusty..and I'm sure you all were trying to keep the dust down.
    With Endor I know they water the trail regularly, is a similar setup going to happen with this trail?
    Ax cut log looks like Fir. Probably not good for "structures" (but what do I know? I couldn't dedicate the time to these classes )
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    Nice work gang...I'll be on the next one.

    PLEASE tell me we aren't going to close the right fork line!!! That has the only decent sized jump left in the park and happens to be a favorite of mine. I am begging here.
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    Good points...

    Quote Originally Posted by kattrap View Post
    Dusty..and I'm sure you all were trying to keep the dust down.
    With Endor I know they water the trail regularly, is a similar setup going to happen with this trail?
    Ax cut log looks like Fir. Probably not good for "structures" (but what do I know? I couldn't dedicate the time to these classes )
    RE the dust; this absolutely isn't the best time of the year to be doing earthwork---but this was more of a training experience than actually expecting to build lots of finished trail.

    RE watering the trail; a great solution for keeping a trail in good condition through the dry months, but not feasible in this location. The nearest reliable water source is 1000' vertical below this portion of the trail and permission to use that water is highly unlikely due to it being a steelhead/salmon spawning stream. Want to guess how much that kind of pumping system would cost to install and operate? MaryJane grow operation to subsidize bike trails???

    BTW we were just yesterday having the discussion how much the new Emma McCrary Trail could use a watering system a la Endor but due to the general water shortage in Santa Cruz County that would never see the light of day either. (Until maybe such time a "purple pipe" system of reclaimed water became available)

    RE yes that is a Doug fir log; last choice for structures but not too bad if using heartwood only and not in ground contact. Topic was part of the class. Stuff like what you see in the picture would probably just go to waste if we don't make use of it. One of the nice things about Demo is that there is redwood available for us to use.
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    Thanks, Paul. It's always nice to make the highlight reel.

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    PLEASE tell me we aren't going to close the right fork line!!! That has the only decent sized jump left in the park and happens to be a favorite of mine. I am begging here.
    This too was discussed at the work day. There are no plans to close the right fork, but whether it gets reclaimed or not will depend on use.

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    We're looking forward to organizing some group work days to work on the new trail - thanks MBOSC, Patty, Drew, and everyone who's involved!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post

    There's one in every crowd:
    Yes, yes there is.

    Thanks for the pictures and to everyone for the trail building education. Looking forward to the next class and building day.

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    You guys plan to have any work days in the first half of October? I'll be around for the enduro, and I'd love to spend a day helping out if the timing works out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsprouts View Post
    Yes, yes there is.

    Thanks for the pictures and to everyone for the trail building education. Looking forward to the next class and building day.
    Is that you, Brian? I feel like when we introduce ourselves at these trail building classes, maybe we should give our names and our MTBR handles.

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    Yes, bsprouts = Brian. Normally sign posts with my real name, but it seems no one on mtbr does.

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    Drew and I will be working on scheduling a third section of the crew leader training course with a repeat of all the classes. Class 1 will probably be in late September. Please email Drew at trails@mbosc.org to get on the list to be notified of the class info once we get dates and times nailed down.

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    Class 5 this weekend (9/14) has been rescheduled to Sept 28.

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    Hello everyone,

    We are working on scheduling one more round of crew leader training classes in preparation for the flow trail. These are open to anyone who wants to learn more about trailbuilding and there is no expectation for supervising crews if you are not interested in that.

    We will have 5 classes and 2 field trips, one to the Emma McCrary Trail, and one to the Endor Flow Trail in Marin.

    Class 1 - Trail Design
    Class 2 - Trail Construction
    Class 3 - Design and Construction in the field at Demo.
    Class 4 - Crew leadership and volunteer management
    Class 5 - Crew leadership and volunteer management in the field at Demo.

    Field trip 1 - Emma McCrary
    Field trip 2 - Endor (Tamarancho Flow Trail) scheduled for Nov 9th.


    Classes will occur throughout October and November.

    If you are interested in taking any or all of the classes please email me (trails@mbosc.org) and let me know which classes you would like to attend and if you would prefer a Santa Cruz location or a South Bay location.

    Also, forward on to anyone who you think would be interested.


    Thanks!

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    Friends, we are planning on starting the third round of Trail Crew Leader Training this month. All are welcome to attend and the classes are free!

    We are planning for Tuesday November 19 for class 1, Trail Design, and Tuesday December 3 for class 2, Trail Construction. The classes will be held in Campbell, at the offices of Camarush, starting at 7:00pm.

    Classes 3, 4, and 5, and various field trips will be on future dates TBD.

    If you would like to attend one or both of these classes, please respond and let me know so we can get a head count for materials.

    Also if you have attended any of the crew leader training classes but couldn't attend class 1 or 2, and these dates don't work for you, please let me know ASAP! We want to give everyone a chance to complete the training series if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knobbyknees View Post
    We are planning for Tuesday November 18 for class 1, Trail Design
    Would that be Tuesday, November 19 or Monday, November 18?

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    sorry my bad typing Tuesday the 19th.
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    I have ridden the flow trail up at tamarancho several times and many of the Bc trails that have given birth to the term flow trail. I feel the endor trail was a great effort it seems to be a more dirt jump style of flow trail. I also own and frequent dirt jumping parks. That being said I don't think Demo would be appropriate for that tight style of big berms going into jumps, nor do I think the soil at demo would support those structures without irrigation. That being said the more BC style flow trails that use a combination of low long linked berms to jump transitions would be ideal for demo. I am not a trail builder, I just wanted to highlight some distinctions that may be relevant regarding both locations
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    I have ridden the flow trail up at tamarancho several times and many of the Bc trails that have birth to the term flow trail. Whole I feel the endor trail was a great effort it seems to be a more dirt jump style of flow trail. I also own and frequent dirt jumping parks. That being said I don't think Demo would be appropriate for that tight style of big berms going into jumps, nor do I think the soil at demo would support those structures without irrigation. That being said the more BC style flow trails that use a combination of low long linked berms to jump transitions would be ideal for demo. I am not a trail builder, I just wanted to highlight some distinctions that may be reluctant regarding both locations

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    Quote Originally Posted by knobbyknees View Post
    We are planning for Tuesday November 19 for class 1, Trail Design, and Tuesday December 3 for class 2, Trail Construction. The classes will be held in Campbell, at the offices of Camarush, starting at 7:00pm.

    If you would like to attend one or both of these classes, please respond and let me know so we can get a head count for materials.

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    Hi Crew Leader Clan!

    Here are some dates for the remainder of the third section. We beed to decide on Sat vs. Sun. Please let me know your preference and in the meantime put the dates in your calendar!

    Jan 11-12 weekend for Emma Trip
    Jan 18-19 for Class 3
    Jan 28 for Class 4
    Feb 8-9 for Class 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dpca10 View Post
    I have ridden the flow trail up at tamarancho several times and many of the Bc trails that have given birth to the term flow trail. I feel the endor trail was a great effort it seems to be a more dirt jump style of flow trail. I also own and frequent dirt jumping parks. That being said I don't think Demo would be appropriate for that tight style of big berms going into jumps, nor do I think the soil at demo would support those structures without irrigation. That being said the more BC style flow trails that use a combination of low long linked berms to jump transitions would be ideal for demo. I am not a trail builder, I just wanted to highlight some distinctions that may be relevant regarding both locations
    We definitely have much more room to work with at Demo than Tamarancho and don't expect things to be so tight. Generally, I expect it will end up with lower, longer and faster features than Tamarancho but there will be some variety and we will try to fit the trail to the terrain as much as possible.

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