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    Demo 10K & 5k Sat. Nov. 3rd 2012

    It's Friday. I'm bored. I'm out of shape. I need motivation to get the juices flowing and the ride stoke going. So I'm throwing this out here. Early. The last attempt was rained out in Spring of 2011, so I want to shoot for the next month or two. This will also give me a little time to get some saddle time in to get "in shape".

    I want to shoot for the full 10K attempt. Realistically, I may get ~7K, but I want to really take a shot at completing something seemingly totally ridiculous.

    So here it is. I'm dangling the carrot! I'm throwing this out early so you guys can plan ahead or think up more entertaining excuses. Who wants to take a shot at this? Who's ready to enter the pain cave?

    Demo 10K 2011, March 19, 8am

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    When: Saturday, November 3, 2012
    Where: Soquel Demo Forest, Highland Parking Lot
    Ride Time: 7:30am meet, 8:00am roll time
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    I'd like to give it a shot. I usually ride demo solo, but I'm sure I would push myself harder with a group.

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    Count me in too.

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    Sounds fun! I'm game.

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    This sounds more like entering the slowly and painfully suffering hole of hopelessness rather than the pain cave.

    Pending the date, count me in... for at least up to the point my legs start crying out for mercy and my knees buckle and my wife calls and demands release from the perils of being a parent.

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    Sounds interesting... I've only ever done ~5k or so @ Demo but I'll give it a try if I can make the date.

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    Best to do this on a cold day. I did 7500 one day when average temp was in the 40s. Any warmer and I would have stopped much sooner.
    I'm game for it.

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    What if I push 10k?
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    Not sure if I can finish this but will definitely try. Haven't been to demo for way too long. Count me in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shredchic View Post
    In! I think... when is it?
    Awesome! First reply is from a chick. Of the shreddy variety, no less.

    I'm thinking 10/20 or 10/27.

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    depends on date. interested. i may only get 6k or 7k though, most i ever did was around 4500 there (coral, braile, sawpit).

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    Well since you asked so nicely...

    You have a way with words tburger. And besides I haven't ridden with you in a way long time.
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    If I can maintain the fitness I have with my upcoming travel schedule I'll give it a go. Most I've ever done there in a single ride was 7k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    Awesome! First reply is from a chick. Of the shreddy variety, no less.

    I'm thinking 10/20 or 10/27.
    I vote for 10/20 (can't make the 27th)

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    awe crap, saturdays. i'm out, kids soccer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen_Turtle View Post
    Sure...
    I made a mental list of 15k peeps, and you're on it, along with Sirkrameroy.

    In.

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    Oct. 27 or beyond. I need to fatten up.

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    I'm also not opposed to 11/3. If that works for more people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    I'm also not opposed to 11/3. If that works for more people.
    I'll think about it, if it's in November sometime. October is full for me.

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    whats the 10k route with tractor closed? is that sulphur x 4-5?

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    Not 10/20 please. Cccx dh is that weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho View Post
    I made a mental list of 15k peeps, and you're on it, along with Sirkrameroy.

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    I thought about it and in that case we should get down to Aptos a couple times to eat and refill water (and add a few k footies) while hitting some more fun trails
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    Tempted. This would be a great motivator for getting in to shape and seriously breaking in the new rig on something epic...(or rather working towards a good challenge).

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    11/3 would be cool, too. 10/27 is the 24h of Gold in Oroville.

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    I feel like this ride would be more fun if it started from Aptos. I'm pretty sure if I pedaled to the Highland Way parking lot and my car was sitting there I would just call it a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban View Post
    I feel like this ride would be more fun if it started from Aptos.
    I agree with you. In my experience, rides that end with descents are viewed more favorably, and with the demise of Tractor Trail, it's easier to put a cohesive route together than an all Demo route.

    I can probably make 11/3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban View Post
    I feel like this ride would be more fun if it started from Aptos. I'm pretty sure if I pedaled to the Highland Way parking lot and my car was sitting there I would just call it a day.
    Quote Originally Posted by jms View Post
    I agree with you. In my experience, rides that end with descents are viewed more favorably, and with the demise of Tractor Trail, it's easier to put a cohesive route together than an all Demo route.

    I can probably make 11/3.
    Okay, November 3rd is the date.

    I'm also not opposed to starting in Aptos. It seems all the previous successful 10k attempts were kept within Demo starting from the Highland lot. I was going to suggest MarkMass' route from the previous year. If you route gurus can suggest a better route starting from Aptos, I'm all for it. Keep in mind a large group will have to keep it to a fireroad descent. Also, people who truly want 10K need to think about how they want to get this done, because I guarantee you, most people will bail before the end.

    Suggestions? Speak up, or save your whining for Sulphur.

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    My vote is for highland.
    Having the cars near means a place to refill water easily, and stop for a snack. Plus adding 20 miles of fireroad, no matter how pleasant it is, is never a good substitution for single track.
    If you are worried about quitting when we refill at the cars, it won't happen as long as 1 person heads back out. Guilt will take over and you will head back out too.

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    This will probably work.

    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    Okay, November 3rd is the date.

    I'm also not opposed to starting in Aptos. It seems all the previous successful 10k attempts were kept within Demo starting from the Highland lot. I was going to suggest MarkMass' route from the previous year. If you route gurus can suggest a better route starting from Aptos, I'm all for it. Keep in mind a large group will have to keep it to a fireroad descent. Also, people who truly want 10K need to think about how they want to get this done, because I guarantee you, most people will bail before the end.

    Suggestions? Speak up, or save your whining for Sulphur.
    This will probably work:

    Aptos Cr. F.R > Pork products # 1 and # 2 > up the Wall to Demo > Ridge > Corral > Sulpher > Ridge > Sawpit >Hihn > Sulpher > Braille > Hihn > Highland > That singletrack > Pork # 1 and # 2, and another trail below those > down to Aptos @ the fireroad.
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    This sounds so awesome, count me in too. I may bail b4 10k though

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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban View Post
    I feel like this ride would be more fun if it started from Aptos. I'm pretty sure if I pedaled to the Highland Way parking lot and my car was sitting there I would just call it a day.
    Oh please no!

    Highland is good for a half-way stop to fuel up (I will definitely need it). But whatever you guys decide on, I'm in.

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    For those of us who rarely do 10k - having support for you in your car at highland would be nice because you wouldn't have to carry as much weight. But perhaps there cold be both? But then the after-party wouldn't be in the same place. boo. Aptos is also attractive because you could rack up the footies faster, with less repetition.

    Just rode/hiked 5k feet of climbing out at Coe yesterday, and all I gotta say is... I need more training for this. Ha! Although climbing in 100 degree heat at Coe isn't exactly the same thing.
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    i will make this ride for sure! starting from aptos is good and gives you about 2k but it is 12 miles of riding. I might opt to start from highland and get as mush elevation in the shortest amount of miles possible. I have done aptos, sawpit, and a few others and then back down to aptos and it comes out to near 45 miles and a touch over 5k. Either way, I am down for the pain and I will make the 10k and then some. No quitting for me! (unless it is too hard and my wussy factor is too high )
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    Sounds like a great ride and a good opportunity to meet other like-minded sick individuals who enjoy a day of suffering. Am going to try to make it - hopefully the new baby will settle into things and I can get some decent sleep between now and then.

    Starting from Aptos sounds good. Maybe some folks will park on Highland, and that can be an early meet-up point and water fill station if someone brings some water jugs? Also, Maybe a jaunt down and back up Olive Springs to rack up some additional footies and a whole lot of pain.

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    I think in order to make this ride more enjoyable, I will bring lots of water and my small propane grill and stash them in the highland lot. Also include a bunch of food items to snack upon without having to carry all of it on my back. I know people have stashed water before and it worked well. This will be a fun, challenging ride similar to the everything Skeggs ride that was over 10k of elevation. We're in for a long day folks!
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    Ok, I'm game. Gonna get some good training in before 11/3.

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    another vote for parking at highland

    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    Okay, November 3rd is the date.

    I'm also not opposed to starting in Aptos. It seems all the previous successful 10k attempts were kept within Demo starting from the Highland lot. I was going to suggest MarkMass' route from the previous year. If you route gurus can suggest a better route starting from Aptos, I'm all for it. Keep in mind a large group will have to keep it to a fireroad descent. Also, people who truly want 10K need to think about how they want to get this done, because I guarantee you, most people will bail before the end.

    Suggestions? Speak up, or save your whining for Sulphur.
    i'm in for this.

    another vote for parking at highland. much easier to pit stop. in fact I did it today jammin around Demo for 5k+ feet of climbing. was pretty cool having a base camp with a stacked lunch and water refill right at 18m and 29m stops.

    not sure I could do the 10k with only one 100oz water pack. could carry the food,but would definitely need a water refill source (filter a stream maybe?) if we started from Aptos.... any suggestions?

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    I vote to wait for the first big rain!

    Climbing up from aptos nets 2700 feet. It makes 10k reachable.

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    If we climb up from Aptos, I'll volunteer to stash some supplies at the Highland parking lot. We can nail it down as we get closer.

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    I'm in! I'll bring my wife and her friend too. She'll hate me but it's good for her!

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    So I'm a bit analytical (see: anal) and I created a table of segmented trails at SDF to make it slightly easier, or more complicated, to come up with a route. The data comes from my Garmin 205 which does not have a barometric altimeter, so it's really coming from the USGS National Elevation Database. For obvious reasons, I left out the unofficial trails.
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    <tr class="tableizer-firstrow"><th>Trail Segment</th><th>Elevation Gain (ft)</th><th>Distance (miles)</th><th>Avg Grade (%)</th></tr> <tr><td>Aptos to Ridge</td><td>2550</td><td>11.2</td><td>4.0%</td></tr> <tr><td>Ridge: Top to Corral</td><td>21</td><td>0.6</td><td>-4.4%</td></tr> <tr><td>Ridge: Corral to Sulphur</td><td>158</td><td>0.8</td><td>-5.5%</td></tr> <tr><td>Ridge: Sulphur to Braille</td><td>45</td><td>0.4</td><td>-4.0%</td></tr> <tr><td>Ridge: Braille to Tractor</td><td>11</td><td>0.5</td><td>-8.5%</td></tr> <tr><td>Sawpit</td><td>78</td><td>1.1</td><td>-12.4%</td></tr> <tr><td>Hihn's Mill: Sawpit to Tractor</td><td>256</td><td>0.6</td><td>6.5%</td></tr> <tr><td>Hihn's Mill: Tractor to Braille</td><td>217</td><td>0.4</td><td>8.7%</td></tr> <tr><td>Hihn's Mill: Braille to Sulphur</td><td>439</td><td>0.8</td><td>7.2%</td></tr> <tr><td>Hihn's Mill: Sulphur to Parking Lot</td><td>549</td><td>1.9</td><td>3.5%</td></tr> <tr><td>Sulphur: Hihn's to Corral</td><td>149</td><td>0.4</td><td>7.7%</td></tr> <tr><td>Sulphur: Corral to Ridge</td><td>735</td><td>1.0</td><td>11.6%</td></tr> <tr><td>SDF Parking Lot to Ridge</td><td>1537</td><td>5.0</td><td>4.9%</td></tr> <tr><td>Corral</td><td>0</td><td>1.5</td><td>-11.5%</td></tr> <tr><td>Braille</td><td>13</td><td>1.4</td><td>-12.6%</td></tr> <tr><td>Tractor</td><td>0</td><td>1.3</td><td>13.7%</td></tr> <tr><td>Ridge to Aptos</td><td>72</td><td>11.2</td><td>-4.0%</td></tr></table>

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    11/3 might work for me.

    I am on the fence on the start point. I've done rides @ Demo starting at both... the Highland lot is much more fun / easier to refuel for multiple loops. It may make it harder to achieve 10k, but seems like a better overall starting point. Also the Aptos start means a ton of climbing just to get back to your car if you are anywhere inside Demo and decide to bail.

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    About the Aptos starting point: It also means we could just walk/stagger on over to Britannia Arms afterward...
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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban View Post
    So I'm a bit analytical (see: anal) and I created a table of segmented trails at SDF to make it slightly easier, or more complicated, to come up with a route. The data comes from my Garmin 205 which does not have a barometric altimeter, so it's really coming from the USGS National Elevation Database. For obvious reasons, I left out the unofficial trails.
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    <tr class="tableizer-firstrow"><th>Trail Segment</th><th>Elevation Gain (ft)</th><th>Distance (miles)</th><th>Avg Grade (%)</th></tr> <tr><td>Aptos to Ridge</td><td>2550</td><td>11.2</td><td>4.0%</td></tr> <tr><td>Ridge: Top to Corral</td><td>21</td><td>0.6</td><td>-4.4%</td></tr> <tr><td>Ridge: Corral to Sulphur</td><td>158</td><td>0.8</td><td>-5.5%</td></tr> <tr><td>Ridge: Sulphur to Braille</td><td>45</td><td>0.4</td><td>-4.0%</td></tr> <tr><td>Ridge: Braille to Tractor</td><td>11</td><td>0.5</td><td>-8.5%</td></tr> <tr><td>Sawpit</td><td>78</td><td>1.1</td><td>-12.4%</td></tr> <tr><td>Hihn's Mill: Sawpit to Tractor</td><td>256</td><td>0.6</td><td>6.5%</td></tr> <tr><td>Hihn's Mill: Tractor to Braille</td><td>217</td><td>0.4</td><td>8.7%</td></tr> <tr><td>Hihn's Mill: Braille to Sulphur</td><td>439</td><td>0.8</td><td>7.2%</td></tr> <tr><td>Hihn's Mill: Sulphur to Parking Lot</td><td>549</td><td>1.9</td><td>3.5%</td></tr> <tr><td>Sulphur: Hihn's to Corral</td><td>149</td><td>0.4</td><td>7.7%</td></tr> <tr><td>Sulphur: Corral to Ridge</td><td>735</td><td>1.0</td><td>11.6%</td></tr> <tr><td>SDF Parking Lot to Ridge</td><td>1537</td><td>5.0</td><td>4.9%</td></tr> <tr><td>Corral</td><td>0</td><td>1.5</td><td>-11.5%</td></tr> <tr><td>Braille</td><td>13</td><td>1.4</td><td>-12.6%</td></tr> <tr><td>Tractor</td><td>0</td><td>1.3</td><td>13.7%</td></tr> <tr><td>Ridge to Aptos</td><td>72</td><td>11.2</td><td>-4.0%</td></tr></table>
    You sir are not allowed on the ride and also banned from this forum. DUDE!

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    If we wait past day light savings, we'll be finishing in the dark. There will be little/no grilling, beering, lounging, etc.

    A good setup is to park and start at Highland and then climb the road up to start of Ridge, drop some good pork products and head down to Aptos, turn around at the bridge and head back up to Ridge. Do some loops in Demo till you drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho View Post
    If we wait past day light savings, we'll be finishing in the dark. There will be little/no grilling, beering, lounging, etc.

    A good setup is to park and start at Highland and then climb the road up to start of Ridge, drop some good pork products and head down to Aptos, turn around at the bridge and head back up to Ridge. Do some loops in Demo till you drop.

    I would think refueling with beer and burritos in aptos would be totally acceptable, then heading back up and more loops...

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