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    Demo 10K & 5k Sat. Nov. 3rd 2012

    It's Friday. I'm bored. I'm out of shape. I need motivation to get the juices flowing and the ride stoke going. So I'm throwing this out here. Early. The last attempt was rained out in Spring of 2011, so I want to shoot for the next month or two. This will also give me a little time to get some saddle time in to get "in shape".

    I want to shoot for the full 10K attempt. Realistically, I may get ~7K, but I want to really take a shot at completing something seemingly totally ridiculous.

    So here it is. I'm dangling the carrot! I'm throwing this out early so you guys can plan ahead or think up more entertaining excuses. Who wants to take a shot at this? Who's ready to enter the pain cave?

    Demo 10K 2011, March 19, 8am

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    When: Saturday, November 3, 2012
    Where: Soquel Demo Forest, Highland Parking Lot
    Ride Time: 7:30am meet, 8:00am roll time
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    I'd like to give it a shot. I usually ride demo solo, but I'm sure I would push myself harder with a group.

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    Count me in too.

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    Sounds fun! I'm game.

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    This sounds more like entering the slowly and painfully suffering hole of hopelessness rather than the pain cave.

    Pending the date, count me in... for at least up to the point my legs start crying out for mercy and my knees buckle and my wife calls and demands release from the perils of being a parent.

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    Sounds interesting... I've only ever done ~5k or so @ Demo but I'll give it a try if I can make the date.

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    Best to do this on a cold day. I did 7500 one day when average temp was in the 40s. Any warmer and I would have stopped much sooner.
    I'm game for it.

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    What if I push 10k?
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    Not sure if I can finish this but will definitely try. Haven't been to demo for way too long. Count me in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shredchic View Post
    In! I think... when is it?
    Awesome! First reply is from a chick. Of the shreddy variety, no less.

    I'm thinking 10/20 or 10/27.

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    depends on date. interested. i may only get 6k or 7k though, most i ever did was around 4500 there (coral, braile, sawpit).

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    Well since you asked so nicely...

    You have a way with words tburger. And besides I haven't ridden with you in a way long time.
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    If I can maintain the fitness I have with my upcoming travel schedule I'll give it a go. Most I've ever done there in a single ride was 7k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    Awesome! First reply is from a chick. Of the shreddy variety, no less.

    I'm thinking 10/20 or 10/27.
    I vote for 10/20 (can't make the 27th)

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    awe crap, saturdays. i'm out, kids soccer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen_Turtle View Post
    Sure...
    I made a mental list of 15k peeps, and you're on it, along with Sirkrameroy.

    In.

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    Oct. 27 or beyond. I need to fatten up.

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    I'm also not opposed to 11/3. If that works for more people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    I'm also not opposed to 11/3. If that works for more people.
    I'll think about it, if it's in November sometime. October is full for me.

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    whats the 10k route with tractor closed? is that sulphur x 4-5?

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    Not 10/20 please. Cccx dh is that weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho View Post
    I made a mental list of 15k peeps, and you're on it, along with Sirkrameroy.

    In.
    I thought about it and in that case we should get down to Aptos a couple times to eat and refill water (and add a few k footies) while hitting some more fun trails
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    Tempted. This would be a great motivator for getting in to shape and seriously breaking in the new rig on something epic...(or rather working towards a good challenge).

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    11/3 would be cool, too. 10/27 is the 24h of Gold in Oroville.

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    I feel like this ride would be more fun if it started from Aptos. I'm pretty sure if I pedaled to the Highland Way parking lot and my car was sitting there I would just call it a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban View Post
    I feel like this ride would be more fun if it started from Aptos.
    I agree with you. In my experience, rides that end with descents are viewed more favorably, and with the demise of Tractor Trail, it's easier to put a cohesive route together than an all Demo route.

    I can probably make 11/3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban View Post
    I feel like this ride would be more fun if it started from Aptos. I'm pretty sure if I pedaled to the Highland Way parking lot and my car was sitting there I would just call it a day.
    Quote Originally Posted by jms View Post
    I agree with you. In my experience, rides that end with descents are viewed more favorably, and with the demise of Tractor Trail, it's easier to put a cohesive route together than an all Demo route.

    I can probably make 11/3.
    Okay, November 3rd is the date.

    I'm also not opposed to starting in Aptos. It seems all the previous successful 10k attempts were kept within Demo starting from the Highland lot. I was going to suggest MarkMass' route from the previous year. If you route gurus can suggest a better route starting from Aptos, I'm all for it. Keep in mind a large group will have to keep it to a fireroad descent. Also, people who truly want 10K need to think about how they want to get this done, because I guarantee you, most people will bail before the end.

    Suggestions? Speak up, or save your whining for Sulphur.

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    My vote is for highland.
    Having the cars near means a place to refill water easily, and stop for a snack. Plus adding 20 miles of fireroad, no matter how pleasant it is, is never a good substitution for single track.
    If you are worried about quitting when we refill at the cars, it won't happen as long as 1 person heads back out. Guilt will take over and you will head back out too.

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    This will probably work.

    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    Okay, November 3rd is the date.

    I'm also not opposed to starting in Aptos. It seems all the previous successful 10k attempts were kept within Demo starting from the Highland lot. I was going to suggest MarkMass' route from the previous year. If you route gurus can suggest a better route starting from Aptos, I'm all for it. Keep in mind a large group will have to keep it to a fireroad descent. Also, people who truly want 10K need to think about how they want to get this done, because I guarantee you, most people will bail before the end.

    Suggestions? Speak up, or save your whining for Sulphur.
    This will probably work:

    Aptos Cr. F.R > Pork products # 1 and # 2 > up the Wall to Demo > Ridge > Corral > Sulpher > Ridge > Sawpit >Hihn > Sulpher > Braille > Hihn > Highland > That singletrack > Pork # 1 and # 2, and another trail below those > down to Aptos @ the fireroad.
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    This sounds so awesome, count me in too. I may bail b4 10k though

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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban View Post
    I feel like this ride would be more fun if it started from Aptos. I'm pretty sure if I pedaled to the Highland Way parking lot and my car was sitting there I would just call it a day.
    Oh please no!

    Highland is good for a half-way stop to fuel up (I will definitely need it). But whatever you guys decide on, I'm in.

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    For those of us who rarely do 10k - having support for you in your car at highland would be nice because you wouldn't have to carry as much weight. But perhaps there cold be both? But then the after-party wouldn't be in the same place. boo. Aptos is also attractive because you could rack up the footies faster, with less repetition.

    Just rode/hiked 5k feet of climbing out at Coe yesterday, and all I gotta say is... I need more training for this. Ha! Although climbing in 100 degree heat at Coe isn't exactly the same thing.
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    i will make this ride for sure! starting from aptos is good and gives you about 2k but it is 12 miles of riding. I might opt to start from highland and get as mush elevation in the shortest amount of miles possible. I have done aptos, sawpit, and a few others and then back down to aptos and it comes out to near 45 miles and a touch over 5k. Either way, I am down for the pain and I will make the 10k and then some. No quitting for me! (unless it is too hard and my wussy factor is too high )
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    Sounds like a great ride and a good opportunity to meet other like-minded sick individuals who enjoy a day of suffering. Am going to try to make it - hopefully the new baby will settle into things and I can get some decent sleep between now and then.

    Starting from Aptos sounds good. Maybe some folks will park on Highland, and that can be an early meet-up point and water fill station if someone brings some water jugs? Also, Maybe a jaunt down and back up Olive Springs to rack up some additional footies and a whole lot of pain.

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    I think in order to make this ride more enjoyable, I will bring lots of water and my small propane grill and stash them in the highland lot. Also include a bunch of food items to snack upon without having to carry all of it on my back. I know people have stashed water before and it worked well. This will be a fun, challenging ride similar to the everything Skeggs ride that was over 10k of elevation. We're in for a long day folks!
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    Ok, I'm game. Gonna get some good training in before 11/3.

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    another vote for parking at highland

    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    Okay, November 3rd is the date.

    I'm also not opposed to starting in Aptos. It seems all the previous successful 10k attempts were kept within Demo starting from the Highland lot. I was going to suggest MarkMass' route from the previous year. If you route gurus can suggest a better route starting from Aptos, I'm all for it. Keep in mind a large group will have to keep it to a fireroad descent. Also, people who truly want 10K need to think about how they want to get this done, because I guarantee you, most people will bail before the end.

    Suggestions? Speak up, or save your whining for Sulphur.
    i'm in for this.

    another vote for parking at highland. much easier to pit stop. in fact I did it today jammin around Demo for 5k+ feet of climbing. was pretty cool having a base camp with a stacked lunch and water refill right at 18m and 29m stops.

    not sure I could do the 10k with only one 100oz water pack. could carry the food,but would definitely need a water refill source (filter a stream maybe?) if we started from Aptos.... any suggestions?

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    I vote to wait for the first big rain!

    Climbing up from aptos nets 2700 feet. It makes 10k reachable.

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    If we climb up from Aptos, I'll volunteer to stash some supplies at the Highland parking lot. We can nail it down as we get closer.

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    I'm in! I'll bring my wife and her friend too. She'll hate me but it's good for her!

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    So I'm a bit analytical (see: anal) and I created a table of segmented trails at SDF to make it slightly easier, or more complicated, to come up with a route. The data comes from my Garmin 205 which does not have a barometric altimeter, so it's really coming from the USGS National Elevation Database. For obvious reasons, I left out the unofficial trails.


    Trail SegmentElevation Gain (ft)Distance (miles)Avg Grade (%)
    Aptos to Ridge255011.24.0%
    Ridge: Top to Corral210.6-4.4%
    Ridge: Corral to Sulphur1580.8-5.5%
    Ridge: Sulphur to Braille450.4-4.0%
    Ridge: Braille to Tractor110.5-8.5%
    Sawpit781.1-12.4%
    Hihn's Mill: Sawpit to Tractor2560.66.5%
    Hihn's Mill: Tractor to Braille2170.48.7%
    Hihn's Mill: Braille to Sulphur4390.87.2%
    Hihn's Mill: Sulphur to Parking Lot5491.93.5%
    Sulphur: Hihn's to Corral1490.47.7%
    Sulphur: Corral to Ridge7351.011.6%
    SDF Parking Lot to Ridge15375.04.9%
    Corral01.5-11.5%
    Braille131.4-12.6%
    Tractor01.313.7%
    Ridge to Aptos7211.2-4.0%

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    11/3 might work for me.

    I am on the fence on the start point. I've done rides @ Demo starting at both... the Highland lot is much more fun / easier to refuel for multiple loops. It may make it harder to achieve 10k, but seems like a better overall starting point. Also the Aptos start means a ton of climbing just to get back to your car if you are anywhere inside Demo and decide to bail.

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    About the Aptos starting point: It also means we could just walk/stagger on over to Britannia Arms afterward...
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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban View Post
    So I'm a bit analytical (see: anal) and I created a table of segmented trails at SDF to make it slightly easier, or more complicated, to come up with a route. The data comes from my Garmin 205 which does not have a barometric altimeter, so it's really coming from the USGS National Elevation Database. For obvious reasons, I left out the unofficial trails.


    Trail SegmentElevation Gain (ft)Distance (miles)Avg Grade (%)
    Aptos to Ridge255011.24.0%
    Ridge: Top to Corral210.6-4.4%
    Ridge: Corral to Sulphur1580.8-5.5%
    Ridge: Sulphur to Braille450.4-4.0%
    Ridge: Braille to Tractor110.5-8.5%
    Sawpit781.1-12.4%
    Hihn's Mill: Sawpit to Tractor2560.66.5%
    Hihn's Mill: Tractor to Braille2170.48.7%
    Hihn's Mill: Braille to Sulphur4390.87.2%
    Hihn's Mill: Sulphur to Parking Lot5491.93.5%
    Sulphur: Hihn's to Corral1490.47.7%
    Sulphur: Corral to Ridge7351.011.6%
    SDF Parking Lot to Ridge15375.04.9%
    Corral01.5-11.5%
    Braille131.4-12.6%
    Tractor01.313.7%
    Ridge to Aptos7211.2-4.0%
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    If we wait past day light savings, we'll be finishing in the dark. There will be little/no grilling, beering, lounging, etc.

    A good setup is to park and start at Highland and then climb the road up to start of Ridge, drop some good pork products and head down to Aptos, turn around at the bridge and head back up to Ridge. Do some loops in Demo till you drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho View Post
    If we wait past day light savings, we'll be finishing in the dark. There will be little/no grilling, beering, lounging, etc.

    A good setup is to park and start at Highland and then climb the road up to start of Ridge, drop some good pork products and head down to Aptos, turn around at the bridge and head back up to Ridge. Do some loops in Demo till you drop.

    I would think refueling with beer and burritos in aptos would be totally acceptable, then heading back up and more loops...

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    Been wanting to do this for years.. pending the date, in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho View Post
    If we wait past day light savings, we'll be finishing in the dark. There will be little/no grilling, beering, lounging, etc.

    A good setup is to park and start at Highland and then climb the road up to start of Ridge, drop some good pork products and head down to Aptos, turn around at the bridge and head back up to Ridge. Do some loops in Demo till you drop.
    I came up with a route based on Rensho's suggestion (thanks for not banning me). I'm positive the elevation I posted earlier is exaggerated, so I added an extra descent/climb in to hit 10K. Maybe someone else can verify the numbers.

    Here's what I'm thinking:
    -Highland Way, up to Ridge, down to Aptos and back up = 3,800 feet
    -Down Sawpit, up Sulphur, down Braille and out = 2,300 feet
    -Up to Ridge, down Sawpit, up Sulphur, down Braille and out = 3,600 feet


    I'm guessing that route comes in around 9,700-9,800 feet. Maybe the last time down Braille, turn left on Hihn's and head down to Tractor before turning around to go out?

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    Okay Peter, you've got my attention... It'd be tough to squeeze it in with cross season. But we'll see. I'll have to play it by ear and see how irritated my wife is with hearing, "But this is one of those must do rides!" for the 5th week in a row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rho View Post
    I would think refueling with beer and burritos in aptos would be totally acceptable, then heading back up and more loops...
    So who could possibly head up for more after a proper application of said beer and burritos? I'd probably be thinking siesta. "Another 5000 feet? Pffft, right".
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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban View Post
    Here's what I'm thinking:
    -Highland Way, up to Ridge, down to Aptos and back up = 3,800 feet
    -Down Sawpit, up Sulphur, down Braille and out = 2,300 feet
    -Up to Ridge, down Sawpit, up Sulphur, down Braille and out = 3,600 feet
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    Those look pretty close. The Aptos loop is likely only about 34-3500ft.

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    What about a double 10k?

    Are there enough calories at Summit Store to consume 10,000?

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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban View Post
    I came up with a route based on Rensho's suggestion (thanks for not banning me). I'm positive the elevation I posted earlier is exaggerated, so I added an extra descent/climb in to hit 10K. Maybe someone else can verify the numbers.

    Here's what I'm thinking:
    -Highland Way, up to Ridge, down to Aptos and back up = 3,800 feet
    -Down Sawpit, up Sulphur, down Braille and out = 2,300 feet
    -Up to Ridge, down Sawpit, up Sulphur, down Braille and out = 3,600 feet


    I'm guessing that route comes in around 9,700-9,800 feet. Maybe the last time down Braille, turn left on Hihn's and head down to Tractor before turning around to go out?
    No Coral? What is wrong with you!? 10K Demo needs a Coral run and that would probably give you the extra 1000 footies you need.

    Anyhow, this all looks way too painful for me. Good luck all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    No Coral? What is wrong with you!? 10K Demo needs a Coral run and that would probably give you the extra 1000 footies you need
    I agree! Coral is fun.
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    +1... gotta have some Corral in the mix.

    Squashyo - Not interested in a 10k sufferfest?

    PS - Is it Coral or Corral? I have seen it referred to both ways in various places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask View Post
    +1... gotta have some Corral in the mix.

    Squashyo - Not interested in a 10k sufferfest?

    PS - Is it Coral or Corral? I have seen it referred to both ways in various places.
    I honestly don't think I could finish 10K Demo...I am usually pretty wasted after 4 loops.

    HA...it's definitely Corral...I just get lazy and drop the R to save time typing.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    No Coral? What is wrong with you!?
    I'm not that big if a fan of the fireroad section of Corral, and turning around to climb back up the top section during a 10k ride would not be fun. A full run down Corral could be added in the mix to get the rest of the elevation, but that adds one more climb up Sulphur as well... ugh.

    I would love to pull 10k out in the next month, but with my work schedule, training is impossible. But I'll still come out to ride and everyone else who doesn't think they could complete the ride should come out too.

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    I'm so in, if I can shift my biz travel from that weekend. This will motivate me to keep riding and drink less beer for the next 6 weeks, of which I'm traveling for 3.
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    What about starting at highland, doing a loop or two, dropping to down to aptos for lunch / beers and then coming back up for a loop and finishing it off the 10K feet. Seems like a good compromise. Plus beers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho View Post
    If we wait past day light savings, we'll be finishing in the dark. There will be little/no grilling, beering, lounging, etc.

    A good setup is to park and start at Highland and then climb the road up to start of Ridge, drop some good pork products and head down to Aptos, turn around at the bridge and head back up to Ridge. Do some loops in Demo till you drop.
    But you also get a free extra hour to finish the ride.

    This is the way to do it. Everyone can bring whatever they need and leave in their own car to refuel, and I'm sure there will be people who want to descend to Aptos, and those who don't, so groups can split if desired.

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    Going all the way to Aptos adds about 10 mi roundtrip to get to food, from the point where there isn't any elevation gain/loss. When we go for footies, we drop down to the bridge and turn around. Much after that, you're riding miles, but hardly any footies.

    A great tip is to stash food and water up at the top of Ridge, drop down to Aptos and back and then grab your stash or part of it to head into Demo.

    Thanks for putting this up Peter. A full day of riding Demo/Aptos is always fun, regardless if you ride 4k or 14k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan G. View Post
    What about a double 10k?

    Are there enough calories at Summit Store to consume 10,000?
    You bring a good point, a trip to the store for tri-tip sandwich and pie would only add an hour and have about 1k, faster than dropping in Aptos.
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    I can be in if SparkyJay would give me a lift there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xls View Post
    11/3 would be cool, too. 10/27 is the 24h of Gold in Oroville.
    I'm pretty sure I'm in, if 10/28, 11/3 or 11/4. Can't do 10/27. Been wanting to do 10k at Demo for a while. Tried, with ssdoc, but a late start, and then beer and sandwiches at 5k put the kibosh on that. 11/3 does seem optimal, with DST happening that night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urban turban View Post
    I came up with a route based on Rensho's suggestion (thanks for not banning me). I'm positive the elevation I posted earlier is exaggerated, so I added an extra descent/climb in to hit 10K. Maybe someone else can verify the numbers.

    Here's what I'm thinking:
    -Highland Way, up to Ridge, down to Aptos and back up = 3,800 feet
    -Down Sawpit, up Sulphur, down Braille and out = 2,300 feet
    -Up to Ridge, down Sawpit, up Sulphur, down Braille and out = 3,600 feet

    I'm guessing that route comes in around 9,700-9,800 feet. Maybe the last time down Braille, turn left on Hihn's and head down to Tractor before turning around to go out?
    Sounds like a good plan to me. I am not sure if your route included it, but I wonder if adding Cussacks on the way up to ridge from highland way would add any climbing? I'm thinking of a training ride on Sunday, (9am), and see if it adds anything so you don't have to turn around and do the extra bit Hihn's mill.
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    Alrighty foks! 6 weeks and counting! There's two things I'm thinking about right now.

    1) Training.
    2) Bike choice.

    Many of you are already fit riding machines, and can probably hammer it out tomorrow if you wanted to. Many others like me still need quite a bit of saddle time. So get on it! You should really plan on having some good long rest before the 10K day, so get off your butt and start putting in some serious saddle time this weekend. In fact, you can even start screaming "Demo 10K!" instead of "Strava!" while running people off the trails. I hope to keep up a 3 ride per week schedule. I started last weekend with a solo 20 mile, 4K effort at Skeggs last weekend. What are your plans?

    As for bike choice, I really want to do this ride on my Potts 29er, but it's rigid. I could probably survive for half the 10K ride, but the descents at Demo would start to kill me. However, this bike fits me like a glove, and would definitely be the best climbing bike I have. Still mulling this one over. Which steed in your stable will be coming out to conquer Demo Forest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    Which steed in your stable will be coming out to conquer Demo Forest?
    Tallboy here. It flows like water, climbs like a goat and it's a really fun, efficient machine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    Which steed in your stable will be coming out to conquer Demo Forest?
    I think I'm in. Will be on the Anthem X 29er - should be rigged up with a 120mm fork by then

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post

    Which steed in your stable will be coming out to conquer Demo Forest?
    Chameleon.
    Yeeeeeeeehaw.

    I might even have toooobless and a 2.4 up front for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    Alrighty foks! 6 weeks and counting! There's two things I'm thinking about right now.

    1) Training.
    2) Bike choice.
    1) Kicked it off with 5700k climb at Coe in the heat last weekend (ow), and planning another big ride in Demo for Sunday if anyone wants to join!
    2) 29'er HT - not like I'm gonna be hittin' jumps on this ride.

    If you can't decide on whether to use the Potts, there is time to test out your choice, luckily!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    Alrighty foks! 6 weeks and counting! There's two things I'm thinking about right now.

    1) Training.
    2) Bike choice.

    Many of you are already fit riding machines, and can probably hammer it out tomorrow if you wanted to. Many others like me still need quite a bit of saddle time. So get on it! You should really plan on having some good long rest before the 10K day, so get off your butt and start putting in some serious saddle time this weekend. In fact, you can even start screaming "Demo 10K!" instead of "Strava!" while running people off the trails. I hope to keep up a 3 ride per week schedule. I started last weekend with a solo 20 mile, 4K effort at Skeggs last weekend. What are your plans?

    As for bike choice, I really want to do this ride on my Potts 29er, but it's rigid. I could probably survive for half the 10K ride, but the descents at Demo would start to kill me. However, this bike fits me like a glove, and would definitely be the best climbing bike I have. Still mulling this one over. Which steed in your stable will be coming out to conquer Demo Forest?
    Do not, and I mean do not ride a rigid. Your back will seize up and it will be all over.

    Borrow my TRc or Epic.

    I'll use a 650b or a 27.5.

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    For the record I chaffed my ass like no other last weekend and I have no idea why. It was only a 4 hour ride and the last time I ended up like this was a 16 hour ride. And I did 300 miles in one week a couple weeks ago without any trouble so I guess bad karma. But getting back on the bike this weekend.

    I will be riding my hard tail circa 2000 Zaskar with too much travel Fox fork and loving it. Looking forward to pushing hard to getting 10K even if I come in last to get it :-)

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    Wait are we allowed to borrow bikes? If I had a good climbing, well-equipped bike and clipless pedals/shoes I might be able to hammer this out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CodePoet View Post
    For the record I chaffed my ass like no other last weekend and I have no idea why. It was only a 4 hour ride and the last time I ended up like this was a 16 hour ride. And I did 300 miles in one week a couple weeks ago without any trouble so I guess bad karma. But getting back on the bike this weekend.
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    These photos are from 2008. We started from Aptos and I used a Look hardtail for the deed. There were about 10 finishers I think.

    https://picasaweb.google.com/fcebedo/AptosSDF10kDay#

    The next year, Jeng said no weenie bikes so we both used Trek Remedys. We didn't go to Aptos and big bikes made it a lot harder. I think only 5 finished. We also did it in January! I had severe cramping and mood issues so I took the magic pill... MIDOL. Then it was easy peasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    As you get older, you realize that part of the body doesn't work as well and bad schit can happen .

    Chamois Cream Reviews. Really. Sad, but it is a crucial tool now for epic rides.

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    I found the 2009 Ride.

    Demo 10k official wrap-up thread

    Oh man, I was drinking disgusting beer at the time... Chocoloate Stouts.

    One of the finishers is a Hawaiian kid from Stanford and he is now pro!!

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    What's the date for this ride? I need to get it on the calendar. I like 11/3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Do not, and I mean do not ride a rigid. Your back will seize up and it will be all over.

    Borrow my TRc or Epic.

    I'll use a 650b or a 27.5.

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    Hmmmmmm..... Thanks, fc, that's a really tempting offer. I don't have issues with my back at all, even when the going gets rough. It's the high speed braking bumps and extended rocky descents a la Blue Blossom or Ridge Trail that'll start killing my hands.

    Quote Originally Posted by morganfletcher View Post
    What's the date for this ride? I need to get it on the calendar. I like 11/3.

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    Yes, Saturday, November 3rd.

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    I hope the temps are in the 40-50s when we do this.
    Went to Demo today to do 2-3 loops. The heat absolutely killed me and doing a single Sawpit loop was painful. We managed only one loop due to the heat. Luckily we didn't make the mistake of going to Coe like last weekend...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    Which steed in your stable will be coming out to conquer Demo Forest?
    1x10 Stumpy hardtail 29er with a dropper post. Light and efficient on the climbs and then I can drop the post to save my butt on the descents. Looking forward to the ride even if I only make 4k

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    I hope the temps are in the 40-50s when we do this.
    Are you part eskimo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    Hmmmmmm..... Thanks, fc, that's a really tempting offer. I don't have issues with my back at all, even when the going gets rough. It's the high speed braking bumps and extended rocky descents a la Blue Blossom or Ridge Trail that'll start killing my hands.

    Yes, Saturday, November 3rd.
    You don't have problems cause you haven't done 10k at Demo. Demo delivers a special jackhammer beating on the downhills when on rigid.

    At around 8k, it will seize up. All of it.

    I heard sit-ups help. Also Midol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    I hope the temps are in the 40-50s when we do this.
    Went to Demo today to do 2-3 loops. The heat absolutely killed me and doing a single Sawpit loop was painful. We managed only one loop due to the heat. Luckily we didn't make the mistake of going to Coe like last weekend...
    No kidding I could not believe how warm it was there today. BTW any one know what happend to that last gate as you come in frm highland way? Looks like someone pulled it with a truck right out of the ground
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    No kidding I could not believe how warm it was there today. BTW any one know what happend to that last gate as you come in frm highland way? Looks like someone pulled it with a truck right out of the ground
    Yeah I went that way for the first time in a few months and noticed it had been ripped out. I wonder if there was some emergency and they didn't have a key, as I know that has happened other places.

    It was way hot there today, even for me. I didn't have water and barely made it back to my car and to the summit store. At one point I hiked in the hills along Hihn's looking for water. I think I was a little delirious. I had an awesome run down Braille though, but Strava decided to crash so I didn't get to see if I was faster.
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    Yea one year this Filipino guy was so seized up we thought we were going to carry him back to the car or call the helicopter to get him out . Then he reaches in his backpack takes these 3 blue looking pills . I found out later they were Midol . After about 30 minutes I couldn't keep him in sight he was so fast !
    I don't know if he does sit ups but he drinks lots of beer ,

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    Ridge is so not fun and very painful on full rigid.

    Carbon HT for me, now with gears.

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    You guys should come to this after your ride.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/california-no...ty-814908.html
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    No kidding I could not believe how warm it was there today. BTW any one know what happend to that last gate as you come in frm highland way? Looks like someone pulled it with a truck right out of the ground
    That's about the 5th time I've seen that gate pulled open in the last 4 months. My thought is either pot farmers, meth heads, or country bumpkins.

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    in for this if its cool with the group - knocked out 7+k at Chabot today so i should be ok with a few more to prepare. let me know how i can help with coordination or supplies or?

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    Saving 11/3...riding my old rig...a full squish Blur LT...goal is 7K then it's beer o'clock...you burly boyz go get your final lap while I get warmed up
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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    That's about the 5th time I've seen that gate pulled open in the last 4 months. My thought is either pot farmers, meth heads, or country bumpkins.
    Time for a sting operation! People that destroy sshittss that in turn cost all of us more money to fix really suck assss.

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