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    China Camp is a fast/fun SS loop, finally rode the new sanitized sections.
    The upper trail over to backside got cleaned up too.
    It's smooth, you can really strafe the place now....

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    China Camp Trail Sanitation

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    To me a fun hardtail or rigid loop for that matter has a few bumps. As you mentioned, riders could always walk the section.
    Agree. They just appear to not want something more technical. I will say it is a great ride on a rigid tandem.
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    I'm going to change my position on this. I rode it today, and think it is a good thing for our sport. I saw more families, married couples, and young kids riding the main loop than I've ever seen before. All were having a fantastic time. I ride there a lot, and in my opinion it's not an illusion of more users......it was more users than normal. There were also fewer hikers. If an easier loop brings more into our sport I say it's a good thing. There are technical places to ride, and instead of complaining, I will ride Mile or Boyscouts on my hardtail when I want gnar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocop View Post
    I'm going to change my position on this. I rode it today, and think it is a good thing for our sport. I saw more families, married couples, and young kids riding the main loop than I've ever seen before. All were having a fantastic time. I ride there a lot, and in my opinion it's not an illusion of more users......it was more users than normal. There were also fewer hikers. If an easier loop brings more into our sport I say it's a good thing. There are technical places to ride, and instead of complaining, I will ride Mile or Boyscouts on my hardtail when I want gnar.
    People out all over Marin today, Deer Park is also loaded ... we need more data than a day.

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    This is another reason we need more places to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    People out all over Marin today, Deer Park is also loaded ... we need more data than a day.
    Went to Waterdog today. Did several shorter loops. Saw one other guy. All the ruts where not sanitized. We need more places like Waterdog.

    But. My daugher can't (yet) ride Waterdog. I plan to take her out to China camp during the week, to check out the freshly sanitized trail. We need more places like China Camp too.

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    Just as Berkeley Mike said, even more reason for us to rally to get more bike legal trails to ride. I hope the don't touch the bermed upper sections though.
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    I preferred it before, but it is still a fun, fast loop. I can't say I had less fun riding it after the sanitation. I am certainly no trail maintenance wizard, but I think it will need less upkeep now.

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    Rode the "sanitized" area yesterday. With the rains it is starting to bed-in. By this time next year it will be perfect and very, very fast. Even speeds up to 14.99 mph will be possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    Rode the "sanitized" area yesterday. With the rains it is starting to bed-in. By this time next year it will be perfect and very, very fast. Even speeds up to 14.99 mph will be possible.
    Be careful at such a high rate of speed.

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    I actually had a nosebleed and had to call my mom to pick me up.
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    I realize this isn't a new thread, but I have to say, they trashed the trail at China Camp. I've ridden it several times since the "sanitation" and it is LESS safe at speed than before. It's all loose dirt/gravel and washout is always looming over your ride. Did they really make it more family friendly when there are several places still a foot wide or less, with rocks, on a cliff? The places they "sanitized" aren't even the sketchiest spots.

    (Yes, I biffed it yesterday going too quick for the "improved" sections.)

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    Dude, the problem is not the trail; you need a new bike. Go shopping!
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    Nah my bike is a champ. But if your buying, lets go now!

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    Get invovled - China Camp Public Forum - Tuesday, April 2, 2013

    China Camp Public Forum
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    Here's an opportunity to get involved with trail related issues at China Camp. This event was posted on a MeetUp page for mountain biking in Marin.

    China Camp Public Forum - Marin Mountain Bikers (Mill Valley, CA) - Meetup

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    Here's an opportunity to get involved with trail related issues at China Camp. This event was posted on a MeetUp page for mountain biking in Marin.

    China Camp Public Forum - Marin Mountain Bikers (Mill Valley, CA) - Meetup
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrieRider View Post
    This is infuriating!!!!

    I don't understand why FOCC would expect mtbers to pay to ride sanitized double wide fire roads in disguise, let alone pay more than hikers/runners!!

    Anyone who supports the trail use fees needs to think long and hard about where they are sending their money and what it is being used for, so far this is not looking like a winning proposition for mtbers.....
    I think the real goal is to make the area less desireable to mountain bikers by sanitizing and higher fees. It is pretty obvious the anti bike crowd is pretty deeply rooted in the area.
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    This is normal maintenance which has not touched that section for many, many years. It is the same work which was seen on upper Oakridge and above toward Knight on the Bayview which has turned out so well after a few seasons.

    The fees have been explained as a frank necessity but that we pay more than hikers is because we weren't at the table when this was decided. We have a meeting coming up in San Rafael as posted above. Come and make yourself heard but don't over-amp it. Our sheer numbers alone may carry the day as we are the largest user of the Park.

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    China Camp Trail Sanitation

    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    This is normal maintenance which has not touched that section for many, many years. It is the same work which was seen on upper Oakridge and above toward Knight on the Bayview which has turned out so well after a few seasons.

    The fees have been explained as a frank necessity but that we pay more than hikers is because we weren't at the table when this was decided. We have a meeting coming up in San Rafael as posted above. Come and make yourself heard but don't over-amp it. Our sheer numbers alone may carry the day as we are the largest user of the Park.

    But ya gotta show up.
    They must be over funded, cut them back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    They must be over funded, cut them back.
    Many riders have expressed caution about further financial support for CC waiting to see how FoCC addresses their desires.
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    Sorry to bring up an old thread but I'll be going to China Camp for the first time this weekend. What are the trail conditions like? I might be taking my 7yo on the trail-a-bike if they aren't too rough. I think he'll be able to do the Shoreline trail on his bmx.
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    China Camp is a great place to introduce someone to the sport. I took both my son and my wife there to give them a sense of why I like the sport so much. My wife was scared of some of the drop offs in the woods, but my son really liked it.

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    Shoreline should be fine for somebody on a BMX bike. There are a couple of waterbars that could be trouble for small wheels, but you can see them coming. Other than that it's mostly smooth hardpack.

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    Agree. ^^ I've seen lots of tykes on Shoreline and it is a fun "big challenge" for the little ones.

    The main loop trail (Bayview) is a different story. It is not a beginner trail and the drop off can be very frightening to youngsters or those who are inexperienced.

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    If your 7 year old is a charger they can ride Bayview but they'll need gears and it will be a big challenge. No problem taking a kid on the trail a bike, but just be really wary of riders coming the other way on the corners.

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