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    Cave Trail - Pacifica

    Probably one of the steepest marked trails I have ever ridden. Was a lot of fun though.

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    Thanks for posting that, we better get it while we can

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    Cave Trail - Pacifica

    What was your complete route actually?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OS-KR View Post
    What was your complete route actually?
    https://www.strava.com/activities/251748079

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    Cave Trail - Pacifica

    Thanks !!

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    Thanx for the great post, I really appreciate your being cautious+not speeding up the video on this public forum.
    A few of us dedicates are still in the mix w NPS staff to showcase that Cave is fully doable x mt bike these days and should be left as an option for mt bike riders when ascending-descending McNee Ranch SP through the Rancho Corral de Tierra.
    NPS has spent hundreds of hrs rehabbing-channeling water off the trail(as evidenced x the numerous dirt cuts-invasives removal)
    Talk on MTBR is important, but throwing in to advocate at upcoming NPS stakeholder outreach is even better.
    Join our Friends of the Rancho Corral de Tierra Facebook page for alerts on upcoming developments.
    Proactive is way more effective that reactive when it comes to trails access.
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    Looks like it worth checking out again after the crappy trail work the NPS did on it last year, upper part became completely unridable after that.
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    Perhaps I'm misreading Jim's comments... but are they meant to imply that trail is currently designated hiking only? The NPS certainly needs to update the maps on their web pages since they still list it as an "unimproved" trail... but this map (marked as the Alta Vista trail) on the aforementioned facebook "friends of the rancho corral de tierra" group indicates it is hiking only.

    If so then we should heed Jim's rallying cry to try to get this designation changed!

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    PS Technically, that trail is in Montara, not Pacifica.

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    NPS staff has stated in previous stakeholder mtngs that Cave will eventually become a walker only route, no bicycle or horse riders.
    Existing signs do not reflect Cave as single user route as of yet.
    Until they do, a few of us mb riders are taking every opportunity w the assistance of a few coastal horse riders to either have NPS staff rethink this trail reclassification or move fwd w the planning of a N Peak connector trail to the Spine tr.
    The OP on this thread showcases on the video that the existing Cave tr is well within the framework of a functional advanced level mt bike trail.
    The critical need of a North Peak to RCdT M/U trail that will provide a viable route option(High alt connector through McNee to RCdT) is our shared goal.

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    Was that some straw rolls i saw you ride over near the end of the video?

    If so, please do not ride over them.

    Good video though, thanks for sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFBayLaser View Post
    PS Technically, that trail is in Montara, not Pacifica.
    Yeah, what he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFBayLaser View Post
    PS Technically, that trail is in Montara, not Pacifica.
    Easy fix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssulljm View Post
    NPS staff has stated in previous stakeholder mtngs that Cave will eventually become a walker only route, no bicycle or horse riders.
    Existing signs do not reflect Cave as single user route as of yet.
    Until they do, a few of us mb riders are taking every opportunity w the assistance of a few coastal horse riders to either have NPS staff rethink this trail reclassification or move fwd w the planning of a N Peak connector trail to the Spine tr.
    The OP on this thread showcases on the video that the existing Cave tr is well within the framework of a functional advanced level mt bike trail.
    The critical need of a North Peak to RCdT M/U trail that will provide a viable route option(High alt connector through McNee to RCdT) is our shared goal.
    Thank You for everything you do to support mountain biking, it is much appreciated.

    When I was looking on google maps I noticed that it showed trails that I believe are known as The Mile and XXX. Are these legal trails?
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    When I was looking on google maps I noticed that it showed trails that I believe are known as The Mile and XXX. Are these legal trails?

    I've heard that query bandied about a # of times.
    Mile has been ridden for decades by mt bikers,as far as which public entity has jurisdiction... From what I gather,I'm pretty sure it resides wholly in unincorporated San Mateo Co.

    I know zippo on XXX, as my riding style is limited to gentler grades w long lines of sight.
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    I got about a 1/4 mile down the trail and said forget it. Way too steep for me. If you decide to ride it, please be mindful of others using it. It would be easy to get going way too fast.
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    That is a seriously steep trail. The video doesn't do it justice. (Nice video though; thanks for sharing!)

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    #keeppacificagray

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    Did Cave a couple months back

    https://www.strava.com/activities/217013841

    Definitely loose and steep, but if you can ride Mile than this shouldn't be a problem. Gets pretty fast near the bottom. Really scenic at the top if its clear.


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    Cave Trail - Pacifica

    With all these posts, the first ride with my new ht toy will have to wait ....

    What about those other trails with 3 letter/number names? They are legal trails?

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    Not legal, and gnarly.

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    Reaffirms my hatred of the helmet cam vids...looks flat and ridden far too slow. (which I am sure is not the case)

    We used to ride that back in the day...it was uber gnarly usually accompanied by massive ruts.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    can we not talk about this on the internet?

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    So where's the cave?



    (seriously, I like caves)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callender View Post
    So where's the cave?

    (seriously, I like caves)
    At the top. Can't miss it. More of an overhang really.
    Just ride more....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    can we not talk about this on the internet?
    Although these trails aren't even close to being secret, I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dead Sailor View Post
    Although these trails aren't even close to being secret, I agree.
    Perhaps a major factor in that is because of threads like this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanxj View Post
    Perhaps a major factor in that is because of threads like this?
    I was under the impression that this trail was legal. Is it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssulljm View Post
    Thanx for the great post, I really appreciate your being cautious+not speeding up the video on this public forum.
    A few of us dedicates are still in the mix w NPS staff to showcase that Cave is fully doable x mt bike these days and should be left as an option for mt bike riders when ascending-descending McNee Ranch SP through the Rancho Corral de Tierra.
    NPS has spent hundreds of hrs rehabbing-channeling water off the trail(as evidenced x the numerous dirt cuts-invasives removal)
    Talk on MTBR is important, but throwing in to advocate at upcoming NPS stakeholder outreach is even better.
    Join our Friends of the Rancho Corral de Tierra Facebook page for alerts on upcoming developments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssulljm View Post
    NPS staff has stated in previous stakeholder mtngs that Cave will eventually become a walker only route, no bicycle or horse riders.
    Existing signs do not reflect Cave as single user route as of yet.
    Until they do, a few of us mb riders are taking every opportunity w the assistance of a few coastal horse riders to either have NPS staff rethink this trail reclassification or move fwd w the planning of a N Peak connector trail to the Spine tr.
    The OP on this thread showcases on the video that the existing Cave tr is well within the framework of a functional advanced level mt bike trail.
    The critical need of a North Peak to RCdT M/U trail that will provide a viable route option(High alt connector through McNee to RCdT) is our shared goal.

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    as others mentioned, cave is gray area or maybe open at this point. other trails mentioned in this thread are not

    Quote Originally Posted by unabashedlypro View Post
    I was under the impression that this trail was legal. Is it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    as others mentioned, cave is gray area or maybe open at this point. other trails mentioned in this thread are not
    So the posters who want us to not talk about this on the internet are doing it just from a 'locs only' standpoint?

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    Cave Trail - Pacifica

    ssulljm, just wanted to comment that I was recently in Santa Barbara and in gnarly legal multiuser trails it is enforced (appart from courtesy and common sense) that riders must use bells at all times so that other users notice their presence in advance. When I was in the track and saw it live I thought it was a brilliant and useful idea indeed !!! Probably you know about it but just in case

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    Quote Originally Posted by unabashedlypro View Post
    I was under the impression that this trail was legal. Is it not?
    There was a sign at the top and bottom of the trail that stated it was open to bikes.

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    *I know nothing of these trails; never been there. What 'grinds my gears' though, is trails of questionable legality being discussed on forums and such. And the 'argument' that 'Its no biggie, since X-trail is hardly secret....' is fukcing dumb in my mind. *
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanxj View Post
    *I know nothing of these trails; never been there. What 'grinds my gears' though, is trails of questionable legality being discussed on forums and such. And the 'argument' that 'Its no biggie, since X-trail is hardly secret....' is fukcing dumb in my mind. *
    For those of us who actually are a part of this community and have ridden in the pacifica/montara area for years, the fact that this trail has a 'Jim Sullivan' stamp on it makes it okay. It's legal as of now. Nothing wrong with talking about it here.

    OTOH, Did you see how quickly this kids Mai!30*&$ video got pulled? I appreciated that

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    Yes,
    Having deep root history riding SLO region trails, kudo's to the morca folks going the extra mile with proactive measures such as the bell bag at specific trailheads w free bells for riders to use.
    NPS staff is changing-cycling through the old guard, which can bode well(mostly) for us pedalers.
    Engaging staff w ideas such as bells,circuitous trails riding options, trails user dispersion, trails difficulty ratings and,gasp,even odd-even day user options are all parts of a mix preferable to exclusion, which the old guard was heavy on.
    But,imo, they need to keep hearing it.


    Quote Originally Posted by OS-KR View Post
    ssulljm, just wanted to comment that I was recently in Santa Barbara and in gnarly legal multiuser trails it is enforced (appart from courtesy and common sense) that riders must use bells at all times so that other users notice their presence in advance. When I was in the track and saw it live I thought it was a brilliant and useful idea indeed !!! Probably you know about it but just in case

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanxj View Post
    *I know nothing of these trails; never been there. What 'grinds my gears' though, is trails of questionable legality being discussed on forums and such. And the 'argument' that 'Its no biggie, since X-trail is hardly secret....' is fukcing dumb in my mind. *
    Cave trail is legal and open to cyclists. These trails are not in danger of being closed because of MTB'ers riding out there, they're threatened because of imminent development.

    Why are these trails no longer secret? Because they're ****ing badass! Also they're only illegal in the sense that the building wasn't authorized but you cannot get in trouble for riding them.
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    Cool vid from the OP!
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    the 'hard to ride' reference isn't to the cave trail. it's to the trails elsewhere nearby.
    (i need to watch the video! i've walked all the 'unmentioned' trails i know about nearby, and ridden bits of them. will do more some day. but i have no desire to throw myself down rocky waterfalls or onto the ground.)

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    Not sure why you quoted me on something I deleted. There are some difficult trails out there. If you have to walk thats fine. I'm definitely not one of the guys hitting everything on all the jump lines.

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    Please, stop it, it is a non-exit way....somebody (me) asked if certain unnamed trails were legal and somebody else answered they were not. That is it.

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    yall r dumb. There are no trails in Pacifica. Just fire roads. Dont know what you guys are talking about.

    go read 50 shades of grey

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    there is no surf in pacifica either. only sharks and taco bell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmtb View Post
    taco bell.
    the nicest taco bell EVER!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dead Sailor View Post
    Not sure why you quoted me on something I deleted. There are some difficult trails out there. If you have to walk thats fine. I'm definitely not one of the guys hitting everything on all the jump lines.
    I obviously saw your post before you deleted it. I'll do the same.
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    Can't really comment on this trail, specifically, but maybe there's a reason you guys want to keep it secret. Maybe it has something to do with it's status and the fact it's in a State Park? For Santa Cruz, I don't understand why people frown on talking about illegal trails. It's not like it makes them more illegal or something. And EVERYBODY knows about them: riders, cops, rangers, UCSC, fire departments, environmentalists... I could go on. There's no secret to keep here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Trail Bum View Post
    yall r dumb. There are no trails in Pacifica. Just fire roads. Dont know what you guys are talking about.

    go read 50 shades of grey
    I am really dumb ! You warned it and still I went there to all those fire roads...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBoardman View Post
    There was a sign at the top and bottom of the trail that stated it was open to bikes.


    Great ride RBoardman ! I was dabbing a couple of times, just after the first third of the trail in a section with loose sand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Was that some straw rolls i saw you ride over near the end of the video?

    If so, please do not ride over them.

    Good video though, thanks for sharing
    I saw the straw rolls, and could avoid most of them but at some point the trail goes through them.

    Maybe some signage on how to proceed and a more differentiated trail at that point could help to preservem them.

    Thanks to J Sullivan and all the people volunteering there ! For sure I will join a work day in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OS-KR View Post
    I am really dumb ! You warned it and still I went there to all those fire roads...
    Yet another Montara fire road:

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