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    Bye bye bombers?

    Bombers Away: Why brewers are abandoning big bottles | DRAFT Magazine

    According to the article (older,from Feb'17), some brewers are moving away from the 22oz size beers to increase availability and reduce the price point of more limited edition beers.

    Personally, I'm a fan of both the bomber and the 16oz can.

    What say you? Are you a bomber buyer? Or looking forward to limited beers in smaller formats?
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    Never a big bomber buyer. If the beer was available in the bomber and a six pack, the six pack was always more beer for the money.

    I do love the crowlers through.
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    I like bombers, they make great road soda's.

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    Yup. I started this thread in 2015. And folks are still upset at my logic.

    The bomber bottle - the great craft beer fraud

    Bottom line is many brewers charged double for the same beer simply because it was in a 'craft' bomber. Ususally double the price and they had no motivation to package it in 6 or 4 packs. They basically ripped us off.

    Times have changed now and most are in available in cans and 6 packs. The best are the 16 oz cans or 22 oz where it is $3 instead of $8.
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    This will come full circle. I know the two breweries I have a financial stake in have a very hard time getting enough cans. 16oz cans are hard to come by in Norcal right now. Also canning lines are extremely expensive, and while we have services like the Can Van here in Norcal a lot don't have that luxury. My guess is most IPAs will move to cans because it helps keep them fresh. I have had a few BA stouts in cans and I don't feel they developed as much as if they were in bottles. Brands like The Bruery, Bottle logic and Firestone will always offer bottles and from the way the industry has been talking at the CA Beer Summit the last few days the bombers are going to stay around but its just going to be another option.

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    I love the “bombers”, I love the 12oz’ers, I love the 11.2oz’ers, and I am quite fond of the 3L “MEGA BOMBERS” (think Double Bastard Ale around the holiday seasons).
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    I love getting a growler or two and taking them home and having a different source of my favorite beverage. Sure. it's expensive, but that's why I have a job.

    What strips my cranks is that they have to cover up the logo with tape. You get a cool growler from your favorite brewery, take it to another brewery, and they just cover up the beautiful brewery artwork with patches of tape. Thank Allah they haven't used duct tape. Yet.
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    This is the new, new. 22 oz cans. Price is $2.50 per can.Bye bye bombers?-img_0311.jpg

    A very, very comparable beer is the Knee Deep Citra (or Ballast Point Sculpin). Price is $8 per bottle. More for the Sculpin.

    It comes in a bomber bottle and the difference in volume.... none.

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    Its not about the bomber its whats IN the bomber. Traditionally you could only get some seasonal specific beers in bombers...I like the 32oz cans some breweries are able to full and seal... 21st amendment blood red orange brew free IPA...Growlers are the best. And designs are becoming more activity friendly

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    When riding, skiing, hiking, or paddling, I love a beer with lunch and would like another on a subsequent rest stop. But that's too much beer. I would like to see some 8 oz craft beers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by telemike View Post
    When riding, skiing, hiking, or paddling, I love a beer with lunch and would like another on a subsequent rest stop. But that's too much beer. I would like to see some 8 oz craft beers.
    I can tell you that will never happen. At this point 12oz cans are for the "sell outs" as far as the industry is concerned.

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    Bombers are just right for sharing. There is that certain ceremony of trying to pour 2 exactly equal glasses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    This is the new, new. 22 oz cans. Price is $2.50 per can.Click image for larger version. 

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    A very, very comparable beer is the Knee Deep Citra (or Ballast Point Sculpin). Price is $8 per bottle. More for the Sculpin.

    It comes in a bomber bottle and the difference in volume.... none.

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    The can is better for the beer and better for the environment.
    Those super-tall-ass cans are kinda a fun new touch!

    Meanwhile, I hold the Citra and the HoptologistDIPA in high regard, and am still uncertain as to which one I like better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    This is the new, new. 22 oz cans. Price is $2.50 per can.Click image for larger version. 

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    A very, very comparable beer is the Knee Deep Citra (or Ballast Point Sculpin). Price is $8 per bottle. More for the Sculpin.

    It comes in a bomber bottle and the difference in volume.... none.

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    The can is better for the beer and better for the environment.
    $2.50 is too much for Lagunitas

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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    $2.50 is too much for Lagunitas
    find it on sale for a buck.
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    I've been drinking those Lag 12th cans all night long, but in my hood, Oskar Blues came first with the 16+ (19.2) : Dale's Ale and Mama's Little Yella Pils. Best size for (my) cycling. 8oz is one gulp and won't warm my leathery cockles sufficiently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DH40 View Post
    I've been drinking those Lag 12th cans all night long, but in my hood, Oskar Blues came first with the 16+ (19.2) : Dale's Ale and Mama's Little Yella Pils. Best size for (my) cycling. 8oz is one gulp and won't warm my leathery cockles sufficiently.
    Dale's Pale Ale is soooooo good- could be my favorite these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DH40 View Post
    I've been drinking those Lag 12th cans all night long, but in my hood, Oskar Blues came first with the 16+ (19.2) : Dale's Ale and Mama's Little Yella Pils. Best size for (my) cycling. 8oz is one gulp and won't warm my leathery cockles sufficiently.
    Yup. Oskar Blues/Dales Pale Ale is what really started craft beer in cans. Look at the craft beer industry now...cans are cool!

    "Back in 2002, small craft breweries always put their beer in bottles; aluminum cans, meanwhile, were only used by the mass-produced corporate lagers reviled by the beer cognoscenti. Katechis did the unthinkable by putting his microbrews in cans, prompting a collective GASP in the beer world."

    The Tale of Oskar Blues Brewery

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    Reflecting on 9/11 the 22 oz bomber I just had might not be enough.

    (FWIW Lagunitas' Wilco Tango Foxtrot; or Whisky Tango Foxtrot for us pilots out there)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    Yup. Oskar Blues/Dales Pale Ale is what really started craft beer in cans. Look at the craft beer industry now...cans are cool!

    "Back in 2002, small craft breweries always put their beer in bottles; aluminum cans, meanwhile, were only used by the mass-produced corporate lagers reviled by the beer cognoscenti. Katechis did the unthinkable by putting his microbrews in cans, prompting a collective GASP in the beer world."

    The Tale of Oskar Blues Brewery
    Interesting side note: Part of what started the can revolution for Craft Beer was the new availability of small canning systems from Cask Brewing Systems in Calgary. You can imagine that the canning systems for the mega brewers would not be appropriate for the small scale of Oskar Blues/Dales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    Yup. Oskar Blues/Dales Pale Ale is what really started craft beer in cans. Look at the craft beer industry now...cans are cool!

    "Back in 2002, small craft breweries always put their beer in bottles; aluminum cans, meanwhile, were only used by the mass-produced corporate lagers reviled by the beer cognoscenti. Katechis did the unthinkable by putting his microbrews in cans, prompting a collective GASP in the beer world."

    The Tale of Oskar Blues Brewery

    Interesting read - I had no idea they'd been around that long, and if I'm not mistaken, that article is 5 years old. I know they have a big presence in NC and even sponsor the YT Mob's WC DH racer, Neko Mullally, to some extent (his helmet sports their colors and name).
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    I've always thought that fancy bottles or high prices, whether it be for whisky, wine or beer are just so you can tell yourself that you're not an alcoholic but a connoisseur.

    Finally tried the Founders All Day IPA today. Pretty good. Nothing stands out about it, it's just a nice drinkable IPA

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    Quote Originally Posted by infotekt View Post
    I've always thought that fancy bottles or high prices, whether it be for whisky, wine or beer are just so you can tell yourself that you're not an alcoholic but a connoisseur.

    Finally tried the Founders All Day IPA today. Pretty good. Nothing stands out about it, it's just a nice drinkable IPA

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    I got an 18-pack of the Founders once on sale. It was better than I thought it would be, considering the price.

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    Besides...who want to carry glass in their hydration pack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DH40 View Post
    Interesting read - I had no idea they'd been around that long, and if I'm not mistaken, that article is 5 years old. I know they have a big presence in NC and even sponsor the YT Mob's WC DH racer, Neko Mullally, to some extent (his helmet sports their colors and name).
    Yup, Dales Pale ale was always that weird craft canned beer back then. Way before the NC brewery which is maybe just 2 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    Yup, Dales Pale ale was always that weird craft canned beer back then. Way before the NC brewery which is maybe just 2 years old.
    It dates back to 2012

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    I still buy Bombers. On my weekly ride I encourage everyone to bring one Bomber to share afterward. I have small glasses for 3oz pours, everyone gets sip. If the beer does not come in a Bomber we just open a few Baby Bottles.

    rant
    Also, I HATE that this thread is in NorCal instead of in the Beer Section...... makes no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    rant
    Also, I HATE that this thread is in NorCal instead of in the Beer Section...... makes no sense.
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    Silly. Beer was invented in NorCal, that's why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    I still buy Bombers. On my weekly ride I encourage everyone to bring one Bomber to share afterward. I have small glasses for 3oz pours, everyone gets sip. If the beer does not come in a Bomber we just open a few Baby Bottles.

    rant
    Also, I HATE that this thread is in NorCal instead of in the Beer Section...... makes no sense.
    /rant

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    Well, I tried to post this in the beer forum for you but, it wouldn't let me...I got a message saying that my thread had to be approved by a mod??? I am a mod. Is that a glitch in the system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    Well, I tried to post this in the beer forum for you but, it wouldn't let me...I got a message saying that my thread had to be approved by a mod??? I am a mod. Is that a glitch in the system?
    C'mon, a likely story. What you talkin about Willis?

    Try again and give us a screenshot.
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    This stuff is some of the best stuff one can get in a “bomber” (the 750ml Belgian style bottle):
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    Apparently it’s on tap here and there around the Bay Area. 🍻
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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    Well, I tried to post this in the beer forum for you but, it wouldn't let me...I got a message saying that my thread had to be approved by a mod??? I am a mod. Is that a glitch in the system?
    Actually FC there might be something wrong with that section. I have had to approve a bunch of new threads in recent weeks, I could see them, but they said "moderated" on them and i don't think other users could see them until I unlocked them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    Actually FC there might be something wrong with that section. I have had to approve a bunch of new threads in recent weeks, I could see them, but they said "moderated" on them and i don't think other users could see them until I unlocked them.
    Happened again, here is the screen grab before i approved them.

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    Leopold, those hotdogs look AMAZING


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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    Happened again, here is the screen grab before i approved them.

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    Damn, I might have turn on moderation in that forum during the great Korean Spam Attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Damn, I might have turn on moderation in that forum during the great Korean Spam Attack.
    Yup, fixed now. Any other forums you're seeing this behavior on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Yup, fixed now. Any other forums you're seeing this behavior on?

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    no, just that one recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thepusher View Post
    Leopold, those hotdogs look AMAZING


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    They are, and paired quite well with the Moon Phase Quadrupel 13% Euro-bomber. Such an amazing day that was.
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    Ten years ago I went on a business trip to Longmont, CO and I think I asked here on MTBR for beer suggestions. A guy suggested Oskar Blues and asked me to bring back some Ten Fidy for him since it was impossible to get here.

    Oskar Blues was a short drive away in Lyons, but while I was there I read an article in their local paper that they'd be moving to Longmont to increase production.

    I didn't find as much beer as I wanted in Lyons, but scouring the stores around Longmont this is what I brought home in a checked bag:



    I repeated that on subsequent trips to Colorado Springs, once bring home two rollies as checked bags (I had enough status with United that I could have done 3x 70lbs, but never tried).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronski View Post
    It dates back to 2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Yup. I started this thread in 2015. And folks are still upset at my logic.
    Because you're choosing beer based on the price point and the packaging alone. By doing so you're arbitrarily narrowing your selection and missing out on some of the best beers available. You're also not grasping that packaging options are all about scale of the brewery and the style of beer. If they're going to sell hundreds of thousands of cases, cans work. If it's a 5bbl run of something special, bottles make a lot more sense because there is basically no minimum order quantity. Most brweeries have to purchase at least an entire 53' truck full of cans as a minimum.

    Seriously. Some styles are great for cans, specifically pales, IPAs, beers that we enjoy on trails or while outdoors. Other beers really belong in a bottle- anything barrel aged, any cellar beers, wild ales, saisons, belgians, etc etc. Again, the exotic special stuff that's made in smaller volumes.

    Would you expect to enjoy a fine wine in a can? No. But cans are great for convenience.

    Quote Originally Posted by jrm View Post
    Its not about the bomber its whats IN the bomber.
    Exactly! Who really cares about the packaging, it's the beer that matters!

    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    The can is better for the beer and better for the environment.
    False. Here's some science for you.

    Also Aluminum cans are lined with lined with epoxy that does contain BPA. This is exactly why beers that age well belong in bottles.

    What is really happening is that grocery store chains and distributors are pushing towards cans, because they consume less space and are lighter, so less expensive to store & transport, and they can fit more beers on their shelves.

    I work for a company that offers both cans and bottles. I like cans for what they are. The styles of beer I like most belong in bottles. But for trail riding, cans are awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Yup. I started this thread in 2015. And folks are still upset at my logic.
    Because you're choosing beer based on the price point and the packaging alone. By doing so you're arbitrarily narrowing your selection and missing out on some of the best beers & breweries available. You're also not grasping that packaging options are all about scale of the brewery and the style of beer. If they're going to sell hundreds of thousands of cases, cans work. If it's a 5bbl run of something special, bottles make a lot more sense because there is basically no minimum order quantity. Most breweries have to purchase at least an entire 53' truck full of cans as a minimum, that doesn't make sense for smaller breweries. There's basically no minimum for bottles.

    Seriously. Some styles are great for cans, specifically pales, IPAs, beers that we enjoy on trails or while outdoors. Other beers really belong in a bottle- anything barrel aged, any cellar beers, wild ales, saisons, belgians, etc etc. Again, the exotic special stuff that's made in smaller volumes.

    Would you expect to enjoy a fine wine in a can? No. But cans are great for convenience.

    Quote Originally Posted by jrm View Post
    Its not about the bomber its whats IN the bomber.
    Exactly! Who really cares about the packaging, it's the beer that matters!

    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    The can is better for the beer and better for the environment.
    False. Here's some science for you- Life of a Can.

    Also Aluminum cans are lined with lined with epoxy that does contain BPA. This is exactly why beers that age well belong in bottles.

    What is really happening is that grocery store chains and distributors are pushing breweries towards cans, because they consume less space and are lighter, so less expensive to store & transport, and they can fit more beers in trucks and on their shelves. And that all helps drive the cost of cans down.

    I work for a packaging company that offers both cans and bottles. I like cans for what they are. The styles of beer I like most belong in bottles. But for trail riding, cans are awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Because you're choosing beer based on the price point and the packaging alone. By doing so you're arbitrarily narrowing your selection and missing out on some of the best beers available. You're also not grasping that packaging options are all about scale of the brewery and the style of beer. If they're going to sell hundreds of thousands of cases, cans work. If it's a 5bbl run of something special, bottles make a lot more sense because there is basically no minimum order quantity. Most brweeries have to purchase at least an entire 53' truck full of cans as a minimum.

    Seriously. Some styles are great for cans, specifically pales, IPAs, beers that we enjoy on trails or while outdoors. Other beers really belong in a bottle- anything barrel aged, any cellar beers, wild ales, saisons, belgians, etc etc. Again, the exotic special stuff that's made in smaller volumes.

    Would you expect to enjoy a fine wine in a can? No. But cans are great for convenience.



    Exactly! Who really cares about the packaging, it's the beer that matters!



    False. Here's some science for you.

    Also Aluminum cans are lined with lined with epoxy that does contain BPA. This is exactly why beers that age well belong in bottles.

    What is really happening is that grocery store chains and distributors are pushing towards cans, because they consume less space and are lighter, so less expensive to store & transport, and they can fit more beers on their shelves.

    I work for a company that offers both cans and bottles. I like cans for what they are. The styles of beer I like most belong in bottles. But for trail riding, cans are awesome.
    I'm not married to cans. I prefer them.

    This thread is about beer companies charging double for the content of beer back in 2014 because of the Bomber craze. Much has changed now with 4 packs and 6 packs.
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