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    Budget Passed...Any info on the State Parks?

    The big picture results were no surprise, living as we do in a state with minority-party-rule, but I haven't seen any info yet on how the state parks fared. Anybody know???
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    Looks like the parks were spared, though there's little detail.

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    Read an article in the LA Times which said "most" of the parks slated for closure will stay open.

    It's still a clusterf@ck, though. I'd like to take Arnold and both houses of the legislature and dump them into the Bay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_weasel
    Read an article in the LA Times which said "most" of the parks slated for closure will stay open.

    It's still a clusterf@ck, though. I'd like to take Arnold and both houses of the legislature and dump them into the Bay.
    Might as well sink the whole state, get rid of the government and the people will vote the same people right back in

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_weasel

    It's still a clusterf@ck, though. I'd like to take Arnold and both houses of the legislature and dump them into the Bay.
    There is enough pollution in the Bay as it is.

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    Idiots!!

    All they did was kick the can down the road for another year. By deferring expenses and accelerating tax collections they just guaranteed the same problem next year, only it will be a bigger mess to clean up. It seems being a vertebrate is not a requirement for the state legislature.

    2 more years and I retire with a PERS pension. Then I am moving outta here and away from this dysfunctional cabal of fiscal morons.

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    All I heard was that that the "Governor's office will determine which SP's to close" on the radio this morning. I'm guessing some of the more remote parks without campground facilities will be "closed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54
    Idiots!!

    All they did was kick the can down the road for another year. By deferring expenses and accelerating tax collections they just guaranteed the same problem next year, only it will be a bigger mess to clean up. It seems being a vertebrate is not a requirement for the state legislature.

    2 more years and I retire with a PERS pension. Then I am moving outta here and away from this dysfunctional cabal of fiscal morons.
    you are spot on...26 billion in deficit vs 15 billion in cuts...the rest is accounting stuff that leaves the state with a 10 billion deficit next year already. they have done this every year they have had a budget problem. the solutions are easy in theory but hard in political reality....

    1. fix prop 13 to eliminate the loopholes..would raise billions a year without elimination of the 1% cap. but yes some corps and people who have been in their homes a while will have to pay their fair share of prop taxes. use the added money for schools and lowering of other taxes.
    2. lower top tax brackets and raise lower brackets, or just raise lower brackets. no chance in heck, but the state needs to get away from relying so heavily on the top bracket. it's the single thing that's killing the state the most.
    3. fix the proposition process so that the budget can't get crushed by props that really should come out of the legislative process, including anything that changes the tax structure.
    4. leave the 2/3 budget passage requirement alone...it's the only thing keeping california from having 20% income tax rates!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54
    Idiots!!

    All they did was kick the can down the road for another year. By deferring expenses and accelerating tax collections they just guaranteed the same problem next year, only it will be a bigger mess to clean up. It seems being a vertebrate is not a requirement for the state legislature.
    +1.

    And BTW, a budget agreement has been reached by the key players, but the full legislature doesn't vote on it for a couple more days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54
    Idiots!!

    All they did was kick the can down the road for another year. By deferring expenses and accelerating tax collections they just guaranteed the same problem next year, only it will be a bigger mess to clean up. It seems being a vertebrate is not a requirement for the state legislature.

    2 more years and I retire with a PERS pension. Then I am moving outta here and away from this dysfunctional cabal of fiscal morons.
    Kinda funny, because state and local employee pensions are one of the things that are sinking the ship.
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    not the pensions themeselves

    But the loss in value as a result of the bad investments being made by Calpers. They just posted a loss equal to 25% of the entire profolio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    Kinda funny, because state and local employee pensions are one of the things that are sinking the ship.
    Glad I'm not the only one who found that ironic.

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    "The following parks were initially slated for closure by the governor: California State Capitol Museum, Governor's Mansion State Historic Park, Leland Stanford Mansion State Historic Park, State Indian Museum State Historic Park, Sutter's Fort State Historic Park, D. L. Bliss State Park, Donner Memorial State Park, Ed Z'berg Sugar Pine Point State Park, Emerald Bay State Park, Empire Mine State Historic Park and Kings Beach State Recreation Area. Which of these parks will remain open and which will close is likely to be known in the coming days."

    From here.

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    Calpers isn't worried. They have special drawing rights which means they get to be near the head of the line when times comes to siphoning off tax $$$.

    http://www.sacbee.com/ourregion/story/1336526.html

    "But CalPERS has the authority on its own to compel state and local governments to increase contributions, and the impact of higher rates could be substantial."

    Of course, the state could wind up like GM and go bankrupt being unable to afford the pension and health costs of their pensioners. Personally, I think that's guaranteed. Vallejo went bankrupt and so did San Diego before it. Why not an entire state?

    Quote Originally Posted by jrm
    But the loss in value as a result of the bad investments being made by Calpers. They just posted a loss equal to 25% of the entire profolio.

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    You're thinking small. Aiming for balancing the budget is for the little people--let's get RICH!

    Balanced budgets, respecting the law, thinking before acting, etc. is Un-American and for losers. Just look at the investment banks, AIG, GE, etc. Pull a huge scam, get rich, and let someone else (the losers) pick up the tab. It's the American way.

    A couple ideas:

    1) Create the Bank of California. Everyone in the state is an executive, except for politicians. We pay executives/everyone $10M/year and dole out huge bonuses. Sell all sorts of fake paper (i.e., muni bonds) and toxic junk like land and houses. We lay-off everyone with a sweeeet gold plated executive package. Arrange donations to Washington and CA politician re-elections funds thereby guaranteeing immunity from future prosecution and clawbacks. Declare bankruptcy and let the fools eat it.

    2) Hire the same people who pulled off the Enron scam to make money fast. Jeff Skilling is already sitting in jail so he's not worried about going to prison!

    Enron and their cronies pulled out tens of billions out of CA alone (probably more than the current $26B shortfall) and Enron didn't have pay any of that money back.

    /snark off

    Quote Originally Posted by cohenfive
    you are spot on...26 billion in deficit vs 15 billion in cuts...the rest is accounting stuff that leaves the state with a 10 billion deficit next year already. they have done this every year they have had a budget problem. the solutions are easy in theory but hard in political reality....

    1. fix prop 13 to eliminate the loopholes..would raise billions a year without elimination of the 1% cap. but yes some corps and people who have been in their homes a while will have to pay their fair share of prop taxes. use the added money for schools and lowering of other taxes.
    2. lower top tax brackets and raise lower brackets, or just raise lower brackets. no chance in heck, but the state needs to get away from relying so heavily on the top bracket. it's the single thing that's killing the state the most.
    3. fix the proposition process so that the budget can't get crushed by props that really should come out of the legislative process, including anything that changes the tax structure.
    4. leave the 2/3 budget passage requirement alone...it's the only thing keeping california from having 20% income tax rates!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrm
    But the loss in value as a result of the bad investments being made by Calpers. They just posted a loss equal to 25% of the entire profolio.
    They lost 25% only after posting years of double digit returns by taking risks they shouldn't have.

    Yes, it is the pensions, the whole concept of DB pensions is an anachronism that will be retired one way(bankruptcy) or another (gradual phase out). It leads to corruption on all sides from the employees - spiking, to CALPERS - taking risks and paying managers lavishly, to politicians - taking contributions from unions and investment companies and putting off the day of reckoning when they are termed out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cohenfive
    4. leave the 2/3 budget passage requirement alone...it's the only thing keeping california from having 20% income tax rates!
    Imagine the shoe was on the other foot...republicans contolled the legislature with a 65% majority and had to fill a $23 billion gap. Democrats just sat there and said they'd accept absolutely no cuts in spending...not one dollar. "We will never accept any cuts." Republicans kept offering increased taxes to try to sway the democrats to compromise but they wouldn't budge. Finally the republicans had no choice but to fill the hole with tax increases and accounting gimmicks and there was barely anything cut.

    The 2/3 rule is totally unjust. It gives the minority party alot more power then the majority party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fourarm
    They lost 25% only after posting years of double digit returns by taking risks they shouldn't have.

    Yes, it is the pensions, the whole concept of DB pensions is an anachronism that will be retired one way(bankruptcy) or another (gradual phase out). It leads to corruption on all sides from the employees - spiking, to CALPERS - taking risks and paying managers lavishly, to politicians - taking contributions from unions and investment companies and putting off the day of reckoning when they are termed out.
    From what I understand, 401ks and the like were never intended to replace DB pensions, but to supplement them. It doesn't seem fair to blame employees for excessive risk taking by pension managers.

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    usually an institution offers one type of pension or the other--either defined benefit or defined contribution. the db plans are going the way of dinosaurs because the economics are horrible for the company or governmental body that offered them. think gm, chrysler and the airlines. most private sector pensions are now defined contribution plans where the company and/or the employees put in money and direct investments across different choices.

    no easy answers here--db plans are killing companies and governmental bodies because the guaranteed benefits don't mesh well with a bear market, and dc plans have hurt people who have directed investments into stocks and have seen their retirement assets eroded away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54
    Idiots!!

    All they did was kick the can down the road for another year. By deferring expenses and accelerating tax collections they just guaranteed the same problem next year, only it will be a bigger mess to clean up. It seems being a vertebrate is not a requirement for the state legislature.
    We don't have a budget yet......they have to vote on it Thursday. It will be less then a year, I'm thinking late October early November then we will be in the same spot. Remember we had a budget in February but it didn't cover all the expenses. Then they slapped us with a 12 billion dollar increase in taxes (sales tax, income tax, and DMV fee increase).

    I'm happy with the no new taxes but where is the $$$$$$$ coming from the fill the 14 billion dollar gap? They need to do what all business do in hard times.....reduce the state work force. My company pulled the dozen or so open positions and is not hiring...all in the name of staying afloat. I'm not sure the clowns in Sacramento get that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cohenfive
    usually an institution offers one type of pension or the other--either defined benefit or defined contribution. the db plans are going the way of dinosaurs because the economics are horrible for the company or governmental body that offered them. think gm, chrysler and the airlines. most private sector pensions are now defined contribution plans where the company and/or the employees put in money and direct investments across different choices.

    no easy answers here--db plans are killing companies and governmental bodies because the guaranteed benefits don't mesh well with a bear market, and dc plans have hurt people who have directed investments into stocks and have seen their retirement assets eroded away.
    Agreed, we should stop/freeze pension benefits. It's clearly not sustainable. Look at retired cops in San Jose making more while retired than what they made when they were working. Stick everybody in 401k type plans, and we won't be stuck with ever increasing pension liabilities.
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    I'm 33 and have had 4 different jobs in the past 5 years. The field that I have a degree in is crumbling. What's a pension? Never heard of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cohenfive
    you are spot on...26 billion in deficit vs 15 billion in cuts...the rest is accounting stuff that leaves the state with a 10 billion deficit next year already. they have done this every year they have had a budget problem. the solutions are easy in theory but hard in political reality....

    1. fix prop 13 to eliminate the loopholes..would raise billions a year without elimination of the 1% cap. but yes some corps and people who have been in their homes a while will have to pay their fair share of prop taxes. use the added money for schools and lowering of other taxes.
    2. lower top tax brackets and raise lower brackets, or just raise lower brackets. no chance in heck, but the state needs to get away from relying so heavily on the top bracket. it's the single thing that's killing the state the most.
    3. fix the proposition process so that the budget can't get crushed by props that really should come out of the legislative process, including anything that changes the tax structure.
    4. leave the 2/3 budget passage requirement alone...it's the only thing keeping california from having 20% income tax rates!
    RE #1,
    You have to see that Corp DO NOT pay taxes. It is part of the wholesale price of the products they produce. So, then the distributor and retailer have their taxes too and that is added to the retail price as a normal business expense (that you dont see). Guess who actually pays the Corp taxes, Yep YOU, the consumer..........

    Not enough people know this and think raising business taxes wont affect them. Things happen when you tax a Corp/business, they raise their prices, cut people (hopefully it isnt your job), or move the company out of state.

    I have been around Corp and small business for a number of yrs and taxes are always a part of product costing that the consumer eventually pays.

    So, be careful what you wish for. It may cost you
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    So what else is new? (They kick the can down the road every year in CA.). The best solution is mentioned elsewhere in this thread with respect to fixing the mess Prop. 13 created. Also, I agree on on keeping the 2/3 requirement. Hopefully, not too many parks, if any, get closed. -gt2005

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    quote=dave54]Idiots!!

    All they did was kick the can down the road for another year. By deferring expenses and accelerating tax collections they just guaranteed the same problem next year, only it will be a bigger mess to clean up. It seems being a vertebrate is not a requirement for the state legislature.

    2 more years and I retire with a PERS pension. Then I am moving outta here and away from this dysfunctional cabal of fiscal morons.[/quote]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus
    I'm 33 and have had 4 different jobs in the past 5 years. The field that I have a degree in is crumbling. What's a pension? Never heard of it.
    I have never heard of a pension either.................I plan my retirement with what I make now. If social security is there when I retire, its just gravy for me. I really dont expect it to be. Or, I will be disqualified be I planned ahead a saved my own money for retirement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes
    Man, this is such a backwawrd state is not even funny.
    It's all about the employee unions in bed with the state lawmakers. I say vote all those sleezy state lawmaker out of office next year. A handful of them have real business experience but most of them are typical lifer politicians. And cut the state workforce 20% across the board.

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    Except for THIS yr, CA does not have a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. Look at the revenue vs spend for since prop 13.

    Quote Originally Posted by GT2005
    So what else is new? (They kick the can down the road every year in CA.). The best solution is mentioned elsewhere in this thread with respect to fixing the mess Prop. 13 created. Also, I agree on on keeping the 2/3 requirement. Hopefully, not too many parks, if any, get closed. -gt2005

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    All they did was kick the can down the road for another year. By deferring expenses and accelerating tax collections they just guaranteed the same problem next year, only it will be a bigger mess to clean up. It seems being a vertebrate is not a requirement for the state legislature.

    2 more years and I retire with a PERS pension. Then I am moving outta here and away from this dysfunctional cabal of fiscal morons.
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    I'm so glad they're downsizing the prison population. Get all those drug addicts out of there.
    Finally, the effect of Proposition 5 (2008) without the costs (maybe).

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    ziscwg, all i was pointing out was making prop taxes fairly apportioned across properties. if businesses pass costs along to customers at least it will be a level playing field, with all property equally assessed--very different from what we have now. i hear you on the general level of business taxes and regs creating a very unpleasant business climate in the state. i see it all the time in my work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    Agreed, we should stop/freeze pension benefits. It's clearly not sustainable. Look at retired cops in San Jose making more while retired than what they made when they were working. Stick everybody in 401k type plans, and we won't be stuck with ever increasing pension liabilities.
    I want to be one of these top 10 people/positions when I retire.

    http://www.californiapensionreform.com/calpers/

    Name ------------ Monthly------ Annual------ Employer Name
    BRUCE MALKENHORST $41,639.57 $499,674.84 VERNON
    JOAQUIN FUSTER $24,712.99 $296,555.88 UC LOS ANGELES
    DONALD GERTH $23,171.22 $278,054.64 CSU SACRAMENTO
    etc.



    The crop of soon to retire pensioners will make the current top ten highest paid look like paupers. Lot's of current employees well over $400k/yr salaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cohenfive
    ziscwg, all i was pointing out was making prop taxes fairly apportioned across properties. if businesses pass costs along to customers at least it will be a level playing field, with all property equally assessed--very different from what we have now. i hear you on the general level of business taxes and regs creating a very unpleasant business climate in the state. i see it all the time in my work.
    I see your point. Sorry, I kind of went off because I come across people that are just "Tax business and corporations!!!" or "Tax the rich!!!" without really thinking about how that affects the prices I pay at an LBS.
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    Arnie is trying to Shut down the Del Mar Fair grounds in San Diego. Dick!

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    There was a petition though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes
    KCBS today said it's likely that 30-40 state parks will be closed. I hope they're wrong.
    My HOPE is that everyone figures out there is a cost to all of this CHANGE stuff, and California Parks are a very low priority compared to educating all the people in California who don't have an education and don't have health care. Let's get everyone an education, health care and three square meals before we start worrying about State Parks. You can always poach a State Park if it comes down to that.

    You can't give people an education without having thousands of tutors teaching them how to design and make solar panels, windmills and non-toxic batteries. And his off shore oil drilling and natural gas to generate revenues for California and the US is a bunch of RIGHT WING BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc
    My HOPE is that everyone figures out there is a cost to all of this CHANGE stuff, and California Parks are a very low priority compared to educating all the people in California who don't have an education and don't have health care. Let's get everyone an education, health care and three square meals before we start worrying about State Parks. You can always poach a State Park if it comes down to that.

    You can't give people an education without having thousands of tutors teaching them how to design and make solar panels, windmills and non-toxic batteries. And his off shore oil drilling and natural gas to generate revenues for California and the US is a bunch of RIGHT WING BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus
    Do you live in California?
    Isn't he the guy who moved to AZ? Probably collects a Calpers pension.
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    Millions cut from state parks - 50 may close

    ...A list of park closures will not be released, park officials said, until donations are sought and partnerships with public and private organizations are fully explored. "We want to cobble together some deals and see if we can keep some of these parks open," said Roy Stearns, the spokesman for the state parks system...
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNPJ18UJ3C.DTL

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    Isn't he the guy who moved to AZ? Probably collects a Calpers pension.
    After driving around the US for eight years in my motor casa I found a great almost fulltime mountain biking destination, I decided to leave California and move to Sedona. The riding in Sedona isn't for everyone. Many of my Cali friends hate it because of "lack of flow".You need to be a very good technical climber to really enjoy the riding in Sedona.


    As far as the pension plan goes, I basicly saved and invested about 20% of my earnings from the age of 13 when I got my first paper route. During my non-government work career I would go out to lunch with fellow workers who would spend $10 to $15 on lunch and I would bring my sack lunch or eat food that very cute girls would leave on a table next to where we were sitting.

    I would then take the saving from lunch and pay down my house morgage which Rob Black says is a stupid idea. As we know Rob Black is still working and the traildoc is out riding, enjoying the American Dream.

    I am so happy to be out of California for most of the time. My sister in law said her SF Cronicle bill just went from $90 to $320. That pretty much represents what is happening in the progressive state of California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc
    My HOPE is that everyone figures out there is a cost to all of this CHANGE stuff, and California Parks are a very low priority compared to educating all the people in California who don't have an education and don't have health care. Let's get everyone an education, health care and three square meals before we start worrying about State Parks. You can always poach a State Park if it comes down to that.

    You can't give people an education without having thousands of tutors teaching them how to design and make solar panels, windmills and non-toxic batteries. And his off shore oil drilling and natural gas to generate revenues for California and the US is a bunch of RIGHT WING BS.

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    Typical (ex)Californian. Weeee! Lets make windmills and solar panels and non-toxic batteries and, like, food and stuff. We'll have blushing earth-maidens checking our blood pressure and giving us vitamins all from the goodness of their hearts rather than because they're pulling down a salary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc
    After driving around the US for eight years in my motor casa I found a great almost fulltime mountain biking destination, I decided to leave California and move to Sedona. The riding in Sedona isn't for everyone. Many of my Cali friends hate it because of "lack of flow".You need to be a very good technical climber to really enjoy the riding in Sedona.


    As far as the pension plan goes, I basicly saved and invested about 20% of my earnings from the age of 13 when I got my first paper route. During my non-government work career I would go out to lunch with fellow workers who would spend $10 to $15 on lunch and I would bring my sack lunch or eat food that very cute girls would leave on a table next to where we were sitting.

    I would then take the saving from lunch and pay down my house morgage which Rob Black says is a stupid idea. As we know Rob Black is still working and the traildoc is out riding, enjoying the American Dream.

    I am so happy to be out of California for most of the time. My sister in law said her SF Cronicle bill just went from $90 to $320. That pretty much represents what is happening in the progressive state of California.

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    I hope that when I am retired I have better things to do with my time than troll mountain bike forums of states that I no longer live in. You say that you are happy you left us but your constant attempts at baiting suggest otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus
    I hope that when I am retired I have better things to do with my time than troll mountain bike forums of states that I no longer live in. You say that you are happy you left us but your constant attempts at baiting suggest otherwise.
    Hung:

    Actually I am living in Cali right now and am enjoying the mild temperatures of where I am staying at the present now compared to Sedona. Fortunately when I am here I can live for basicly nothing since I am in the motor casa and live in parking lots.

    It is true I do go on MTBR a lot and present my point of view on different subject matter that seems to be rejected by some and embraced by others.

    Since I have always been a penny pincher I just go wacko when I see the waste in government. A Cal Trans work crew is one of the biggest visual examples of inefficentcy IMHO and represents why the state is bankrupt.

    As I was driving up Hwy 5 a couple weeks ago I couldn't help but being amazed at the amount of tire rubber and litter present along the highway. Seems like a great summer job opprotunity for my lazy couch potato nephews who claim to be mentally disabled due to smoking too much medical marijuna. There is way too much compassion for those California citizens that choose to milk the system IMHO.

    Curious if the MTBR crowd has gotten to watch that documentary on the early evolution of mountain biking staring Gary Fisher and Tom Richy? That is definitely a great insight as to how the passion of mountain biking started and why it is so popular today.

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    Arnold cuts 14.2 Billion out of state parks

    Quote Originally Posted by bikemapdude
    The big picture results were no surprise, living as we do in a state with minority-party-rule, but I haven't seen any info yet on how the state parks fared. Anybody know???
    State Parks
    The $14.2 million reduction to the Department of Parks and Recreation reflects an expenditure reduction to the state park system. This reduction will achieve $22.2 million in savings when fully implemented. It will result in the closure of probably more than 100 parks which will be identified once the Department has been able to complete a full assessment of its remaining resources and be in a position to determine where it will need to shut facilities down.

    so many local economies, adverse, indirect and direct jobs. Not to mention that the expense of operation and maintenance will increase.

    FU Arnold

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrm
    Arnold cuts 14.2 Billion out of state parks
    Whoa!

    Obviously, "Billions" is a typo. Here's what happened today...

    SACRAMENTO — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Tuesday used his executive
    powers to cut nearly an additional $500 million from programs ranging from child
    welfare to AIDS prevention to state parks to health care for the poor.

    The line item vetoes, coming on top of more than $15 billion in spending cuts
    approved by the Legislature last week, capped weeks of agonizing negotiations
    over how to close a deficit that comprised almost one-third of the California's entire
    general fund.

    ...

    The governor also vetoed an additional $6.2 million for state parks, on top of
    $8 million legislators had taken away. That means 100 of the state's 279 state parks
    will close, although administration officials said they had not yet identified which ones.
    San Jose Mercury News
    http://www.mercurynews.com/politics/ci_12930356

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    Great... that's 100 more places the Mexican Mafia can grow dope without interference.
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    Often mentioned is that attendance will be one of the factors in determining which parks are closed. So this is interesting, the 2008 data:

    http://coastsider.com/images/uploads...attendance.pdf

    ///Charlie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline35
    Often mentioned is that attendance will be one of the factors in determining which parks are closed. So this is interesting, the 2008 data:

    http://coastsider.com/images/uploads...attendance.pdf

    ///Charlie
    Great Find!

    I just hope Coe makes the cut, or finds some alternative source of funding. 39k visitors is on the low end. Most of the other state parks with good mtb access look fairly safe (based on attendance) from my initial quick look.
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    Send an email if you can

    It only takes about a minute to send an email at this link.
    http://ga3.org/campaign/budget072909/

    Please forward to people who may be interested.

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    Today's press release regarding Park fee increases...

    CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION
    News Release
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Roy Stearns / Sheryl Watson
    August 11, 2009 (916) 654-7538

    State Park Camping and Day-Use Fees to Increase, Partners Sought to Help Keep
    More Parks Open


    California State Parks day-use and camping fees will increase and begin to help offset
    recent budget reductions and help keep more parks open. Partners in the public and
    private sectors are still being sought, as the fee increase will help keep some parks open,
    but not all.

    “In these dire economic times, we can no longer afford to keep our fees at their current
    levels,” said State Parks Director Ruth Coleman. “The people of California understand that
    by charging more, we will be able to keep more parks open and preserved for these and
    future generations.”

    Beginning Aug. 17, day-use parking fees will increase by $2 to $5, and camping fees will
    increase by $10 - $21 a night. Camping reservations made prior to that date will be
    honored at the lower price.

    Annual Passes will go back on sale immediately at the existing price of $125. In future
    months, additional fee and pass increases are possible as State Parks assesses how the
    partnership program stretches the reduced budget funding to help keep parks open.

    A list of specific parks where fee adjustments will occur will be made available when they
    go into effect. In deciding which parks will receive a fee increase, and by how much, park
    managers are evaluating attendance, with higher fees charged where demand is greatest.
    In that way, the fee increase will have the least effect on attendance, resulting in a
    revenue gain. Managers will watch revenues closely, and may make adjustments to
    particular fees throughout the year.

    It should be noted that these increases do not raise park revenues to the level of
    self-sustainment for the system. Doing that would require steep increases that would
    price people out of their public park system. These increases are another tool in the
    efforts being taken by California State Parks to keep more parks open during this time of
    budget cuts and employee furloughs.

    The department continues to seek support from cities, counties, corporations and nonprofit
    organizations who may want to sponsor or operate particular parks to help keep them
    open. Further, park managers have been reducing services and modifying their operations
    by closing portions of parks and reducing operating hours.

    “We have loyal visitors who truly love our parks,” added Coleman. “We will do our best to
    maximize the use of additional funds so that parks continue to be available for public
    enjoyment.”

    http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/712/fi...eeIncrease.pdf

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    That just sucks

    I just saw the article about fee increases posted in the Santa Cruz Sentinel. I can't help think that they are blowing it. It will work in some places where you have to arrive at the park by car. But there are lots of parks, at least on the central coast, where you can just walk or bike in. What do they think is going to happen?

    http://coastsider.com/images/uploads...attendance.pdf

    I'd urge folks to look at that document Skyline35 posted earlier. It shows something like 70 million unpaid state park visitors last year. I already have the lower cost state park pass, and got hit up for an extra $20 this spring, since they don't honor it at Point Lobos. The day use lots at Henry Cowell are mostly empty most days, while dozens of cars park on the shoulder of Hwy 9. Same thing at Wilder

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