Boggs III Aftermath
I think a few folks are still trickling home but wanted to get a thread started. Pics? Memories? Share here.
Was my first endurance race and it was fun. It is really great to have such a fantastic cheering section every time you come around to the start line. The MTBR crew, complete with cowbells and every snack imaginable, was a great energy boost. The course was a lot of fun too. By the third lap, those sweet downhill sections were becoming memorized meaning I could go a lot faster.
I also have to say that the very best part of the race was the fact that Sarah did 6 laps. Even though she didn't take any medals home, she, by far, was the clear winner. She established goals, trained for them, and set out to achieve them with determination. And she succeeded. I know Sarah's drive kept me going and was an inspiration.
I raced solo sport men (Dirt rag wool jersey, baby blue kish) and dear god I felt some pain. I managed to crash on the first mile due to those damn pine needles. My goal was 7 laps, but when I finished my 7th and heard the announcer's yell 'Do one more' (someone even added a 'Don't be a pu$$y'), well my manhood was challenged and I went for it. There wasn't much left in my legs at that point, so I had to push my bike up every hill. Ended up dizzy, disoriented, and in a with the hiccups for the next four hours.
74 miles (seemed like more)
8:05:00 on the bike
6 bottles of water / 8 electrolyte drinks / 5 cliffbars / two full flasks of hammer gel / 1 beer
Thanks to all who I talked to on the trail, props to the Madcat guys, and Carlos and all of Bikemonkey for a great event.
Last edited by vodkamike3; 04-06-2008 at 02:06 PM.
Along with being way out-of-shape and sick with this cold bug going around, I only made 3 laps. However, Garmin says each lap was closer to 1700' of climbing and not 1100' like they thought... http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/5322792
Four wheels move the body. Two wheels move the soul.
Curse you Coe!
Somewhere between taking in the beautiful views of Boggs State Forest and muscle locking leg cramps, I had the opportunity to chat-and-ride with some of the fine folks of forum 67. I spotted Sarah on the course and pulled along to chat. When asked how many laps she has completed she replied "oh I dunno 5 laps, but it could be my 4th. I lost count." Inspired by her words, I continued on trying not to think about going faster or pushing harder but just enjoying the moment.
3rd lap lowlight: I nearly ate dirt on a less than ideal take off and poor landing at Gail's jump. It was ugly from start to finish. Landed front wheel heavy, bottomed the fork, held on for dear life, and rode out without clipping out. Why wasn't someone there with a camera?!
That was quite a race. I managed 7 laps in 7 hours and 28 minutes. The first two laps I was chasing Jeff (H), who started out with a pretty darn fast pace (55 minute laps), but I passed him on the third lap and kept biking hard the whole race to stay ahead. Only afterwards, I found out that he had to quit after 5 laps with his back hurting. I hope you're feeling better today Jeff.
In the fourth or fifth lap I traded places with Raphael (Grrrah) several times until he rode away from me. I had given up on seeing him again, when I saw him kindly letting faster riders pass in my seventh lap. It gave me the motivation to race a bit harder in the final lap and I finished 2 minutes ahead of him. I would have been first in the solo men beginner category, but only finished 7 out of 11 in the masters 50+ group. Those guys, such as John (jms), are fast!
Menso did 9 laps, but will write his own race report.
Thanks for the cheering section. It was always fun to start each lap with all the encouragement.
We'll do it again next year. First there's the Napa Dirt Classic next week, and Sea Otter the week after.
P.S. Here are my stats:
lap 1: 55:41 + 1:39 rest (half a powerbar and some apple slices)
lap 2: 55:26 + 0.:52 rest (the other half of the Powerbar and a bite of a ham and cheese sandwich)
lap 3: 56:19 + 0:37 rest (no time for a break, just grab some food and go: need to stay ahead of Jeff)
lap 4: 1:01:34 + 5:16 rest (Menso finished his 5th lap during my rest stop and we start together on the next lap, just as Jeff finishes his fourth lap)
lap 5: 1:04:12 + 5:01 rest (Starting to use the granny gear on the climbs. I was surprised to see Menso sitting at the rest area at the end of the lap. He needed to refuel badly. I gave him a Boost drink, which was providing me with a lot of energy too.)
lap 6: 1:11:43 + 4:42 rest (even the downhills were slow now. Scott lubed my chain and I had one more Boost, a Hammer gel and another Powerbar. Switched from Gatorade to RockStar Pomegranate juice in the water bottle.)
lap 7: 1:05:20 for a total time of 7:28:24. I was glad I couldn't bike a lap in less than an hour and could start the rest and recovery process, instead of doing another lap.
Last edited by JL de Jong; 04-06-2008 at 01:27 PM.
Also known as Menso's dad.
want to echo Vodkamike's comments that Carlos and all the bikemonkey crew put on a terrific event. I had a lot of fun (& suffering ) just hanging out with a very friendly group of folks.
The Thanks List...
Ryan (RAS) for graciously sharing his camping area. It was great to meet you and hopefully we can get that group ride together we chatted about at Annadel. Have never been and would love to ride there one of these days.
Nick - thanks for the ol Delirium Tremens...haven't had a chance to knock it back yet but I know I will enjoy it. We will have to make this beer trade thing a tradition
jms - Thanks so much for "renting" me that small spot on course for my cooler. Definitely helped with making the bottle swapping exercise a bit quicker. BTW - thx to your "support crew" for those tasty post event snacks....man those were good!!
mtbr crew - those cow bells and words of encouragement each lap were HUGE...especially when you start to get to laps 6 on when you are feeling the HURT!!
and finally just to all the cool folks I chatted with as we all suffered for 8 hrs.
- I wanted to churn out a minimum of 7 laps, but my trusty Soulcraft 29er helped me push out the extra lap for a total of 8. Fortunately no mechanicals and those Racing ralphs with the paper thin sidewalls survived those sharp rocks that seemed to be all over the place.
Solo Sport - 5th place
8 tough laps
can't wait till next year to do it again!!
What a great race. Zon and I made the trek up on Friday night with my popup so that we could avoid the 4am departure the day of the race. Upon arrival we made our way over to the Team Madcat camping area and said hello to Mike and a few others. We were excited to see the campfire blazing and people mingling around. We quickly got to setting up the triailer and unpacking. Around 25 minutes later we finished setting up with hopes of sitting around the fire to get warm before calling it a night. As we came around the trailer the campsite was a ghost town and the fire was nearly out. DRAT!! So we headed off toward the registration so that we could unwind from the 3 hour drive. After waking up to super cold temps, we sauntered off to eat breakfast and prepare for the upcoming sufferfest. The race started out uneventful for me sitting in somewhere around midpack and keeping my tempo slow and steady. I chatted with a few familiar on the first and second lap. I ran into Morgan Fletcher on my third and we chatted up through the feedzone regarding the 29inch format and if it would work for him. Hopefully i made some valid points. That was the last i saw of him as he jetted off. On the fouthish lap i ran into VodkaMike and we discussed what song we had stuck in our head. I am sooo happy he helped me change from a song that is on my daughters play mirror and light thing to the A-Team theme song that carried through my 5th lap which was my hardest as i became absolutely starving and lightheaded. I took a longer pit after 5 and had 2 pickles, a redbull, half a coke and a turkey cheese sandwich with tons of mustard, chips and took poptarts with me for the next lap. I knew that i had to choke down some real food in order to make a push for my 7th and hopefully 8th lap. My 6th lap was a little slow, but i was digesting. One of my teammates told me upon completion of my 6th lap that I had 2 hours for the final two laps. I was thinking "oh crap" how am i going to turn two sub one hour laps at this point in time. I pushed the pace on 7 and was informed that i had 62 minutes for my 8th and final lap. I pushed as hard as i could and finished up my 8th lap at 5:10pm. I finished 7th in the Sport solo cat. I was very happy and doubled the mileage from last years cramp fest. Pickles, mustard and endurolytes kept cramps at bay as i didnt even have a twitch all day long. Thanks to my Madcat teammates and the MTBR crew for cheering me on, also thanks to Zon for coming into the pits each lap as i was leaving so I could keep pushing pace so that you wouldnt catch me.
That's very impressive improvement. By doubling Juanzelli's Motion Based data for 3 laps, that means Sarah went:
Originally Posted by The Law
52 Miles, 10,400' climb
And in a mere 8 hours? Great Job
Last edited by BigLarry; 04-06-2008 at 01:19 PM.
It's not slow, it's doing more MTB time.
thanks for the draft
i was wearing the red t-shirt, i should of finished the last lap with you, but i felt like i was bonking so hard that i was going to crash and really hurt myself. good race. ill be back with a vengence next year. [COLOR=][/color]
Originally Posted by vodkamike3
Our stats were 55 miles and ~7200 feet of climbing from The Law's VDO computer. I have lost all respect for Motion Base when it comes to altitude gain. It always reads 25-50% higher than what is real.
Originally Posted by BigLarry
Plus my body tells me it wasn't steep enough to reach 10,000 feet. It wasn't as painful as a 30 mile Coe ride IMO.
Sarah did do a friggin amazing job. She was so determined. Very impressive.
Those who know, ride a Mojo AND a Mojo HD.
Originally Posted by benja55
I don't know where I finished (the computer screen with the results was off by the time I checked it), but looking at what you guys have written I think I finished between Darth Tracer and Vodkamike3. So it looks like around 8th place in solo sport. Finish time 5:15 with 8 laps. Do you guys know how many riders were in the sport solo category?
I pulled over to let a faster group pass before the little root section and I noticed a Mad Cat rider with a rider number close to mine, but I was fading and I could never catch him (I'm think it was Darthtracer). Oh well!
I meet at couple of you out there. Chum on lap 3 or 4 and Vodkamike3on the last lap and at dinner.
I had lots of fun am looking foward to the event last year. See you at Cool next month!
The Real Climb?
If I just look at the bigger (>50') valley-to-peak climbs on the profile and add them up by hand, I only get around 1100' of climb on the loop. But 1700' of climb from Motion Based is a big difference - more than 50% increase. Obviously, this needs emergency analysis!
Originally Posted by Juanzelli
So I just spent some time with your data. I downloaded your GPX file and looked it over for any issues.
1. You have a barometric altimeter that eliminates altitude noise? Check
2. You didn't use MB Gravity? Check
3. You turned off the automatic barometric calibration? Probably. I see a small altitude jump (indicative of calibration) at 17.25 miles. That could have been reception glitch as well. The overall slow and uniform 30' increase in altitude over 4 hours is a very typical air pressure drift with auto calibration turned off.
In all, everything in the data and MB analysis looks fine. So what's up?
Here's what I figure. The ride is almost level (by Henry Coe standards). And over the course of 8+ miles, there appears to be about 40+ little 10' to 20' hills that add up to more elevation gain. (Note 40x15'=600') Most of the little hills are on the level or downhill and not very noticeable with roller coaster momentum carrying you up. So effectively, the ride might only require the effort of more like say 1300' or 1400' of climb rather than 1700', but you are indeed gaining 1700' per loop.
On many other steeper places I ride, these accumulated bumps add a relatively small percentage, maybe 20% or less. But with the flatter ride over longer ride distance at Boggs, the small hills add up to a major amount of bonus footies. Enjoy them!
PS. If anyone else has data, please post a link. I'd like to get some data verification from others.
It's not slow, it's doing more MTB time.
You say MB reads 25-40% higher than real. But then what is real? I've calibrated several methods using know elevations on uniform climbs. Motion Based is by the most accurate, better than 1%.
Originally Posted by dan51
It's just that on flatter rolling hills like Boggs, the right methods and accuracy for climb becomes much harder to determine and even subjective. I didn't calibrate MB for flat rolling hills for that reason.
For example, I have a Cateye bike computer/altimeter with only 5' resolution. So on lots of little 10' or smaller hills, it can lose more than half the actual climb. On hills under 5' it can lose all climb, or record all climb if it's at the 5' resolution threshold. But then small hills are a little easier too. So maybe losing a lot of climb under 5' is indeed more indicative of effort. The Garmin barometric altimeters resolve to 1' and will measure 10' hill gains accurately, but they start significantly loosing any gain under 2', which is about rock or bump size. To me a 5' hill is indeed a climb, and 1-2' is a bump. So I think the higher resolution altimeter is about right.
Incidentally, the higher resolution altimeter is on Garmin's GPS barometers, and has nothing to do with Motion Based that just adds up the gains. I find I can get the same climb number as MB adding up the gains in the track altitude in a spread sheet.
Also, standing still, I often see about ~2' of altitude noise from pressure fluctuations. It doesn't add much at all on steep ups and downs. But it might add a small amount of truly artificial climb on a long flat ride. But I see little of that low noise error in this data.
In any case, I think we have answers as to what's going on, pick which number you like based on what you think is a hill. However, I agree from the data that a Boggs 10,000' climb won't feel like a Henry Coe 10,000' climb. I'd say there's about a 1.5X Henry Coe factor involved.
It's not slow, it's doing more MTB time.
Great meeting you as well Mark and congrats on busting out 8 big ones! Is it wrong that I'm sore today from my meager 3 laps? Stay in touch regarding your availability to hit Annadel.
Originally Posted by MSH
The course was sweet and overall the event was a lot of fun. I do have a question for those more familiar with racing. Is it typical that all the solo's (including beginners) start before the teams? They started the groups every 2 mins or so, but this course has a short bit of fire road that quickly gets into single track. A lot of the strong team riders caught us solo beginners quick and some were clearly frustrated (a couple were d$cks about it, but there's one in every group right ) with having been started behind us. I can't say I blame them since they were clearly looking to take a faster pace and I did my best to allow for easy passes all day. So I was just curious if this is the way that it's done in similar race formats?
teams starting after solo
I, too, thought it was really strange that the solo riders started before the teams. Anyone riding only one lap would start out a lot faster than someone doing 8 hours alone. I would hope that the organization changes this next year and lets the teams start first or maybe right after or with the pros and experts.
Originally Posted by RAS
Also known as Menso's dad.
Bad Jenny & I did the coed division on singlespeeds. I'd never done an event like this, but Jen had done this event the 1st year when it snowed. Since she was the expert, she lead off with the 1st two laps, then I did two, then she did two, then I did two... and she got to bat clean-up and do a final lap since we had time. Her 5th lap was her fastest lap of the day!
We bagged 9 laps and missed 3rd place by 44 lousy seconds... no thanks to the 5 minute flat tire repair I had at the end of lap 7. It was fun exchanging leads with the team (Julie & Pauly) that edged us.. a nice couple that also rode SS. I think all the other couples were on geared.
It was a great day for riding Boggs, and I was completely impressed by the organizers and all the competitors, especially you solo nuts. 4 laps was enough for me. Great job Darth, Zon, MTB_Canuck, Graah, Asa, George, MadCatMike (and all the friendly Mad Cat riders)! I hope the one Mad Cat guy is okay... might have broken/damaged a vertabrae in his neck
We took a few photos...
The start of our group:
BadJenny begins a long, fun day:
BadJenny finishing lap 1, smiling:
Me coming in on my 1st lap... following VodkaMike?:
I think I only saw 1 other rigid SS all day:
Off for lap 2 (4th team lap):
BadJenny finishing her 5th lap (9th team lap) with a smile:
My instructions were to have a beer ready
Our group results:
Good job, bike... you can rest now:
One additional data point regarding total climbing..
- my Polar S725 shows 9300 ft and 72 miles for the 8 laps I did
- preride the day before for 1 lap showed exactly as stated on Boggs site - 1200 ft..... http://www.bikemonkey.net/oldsite/in...II&page=course
- when we did 10K day at Demo a couple weeks ago my Polar was showing slightly higher at the end than jeffh's Polar 305 - i think there was approx a 500 ft difference
There were 32 in Sport Solo class. I know that i passed Vodkamike, but what were you wearing? I was told that i passed 2 on my final lap but only remembered VM because he and I chatted earlier in the day.. I was on the Mamasita.
Originally Posted by 39n, 121w
Jealous reading all these ride reports, everyone did a great job!
It was good. I did nine laps, just got my 9th in with 5 minutes to spare. First two were too fast, I kinda dawdled for four and tried to get my strength back and my back to stop hurting, then went hard for the last two. Got 5th in solo 40+, don't know how many in my field. I felt good about 9 laps, was only going for 8. Good to see / meet you all. Here's what my garmin had to say:
It's auto-lap feature failed to fire on lap 6, which was a pair of 58-minute laps that got glued together.
Total Time (h:m:s) 8:22:17 6:24 pace
Moving Time (h:m:s) 8:16:04 6:19 pace
Distance (mi ) 78.39
Moving Speed (mph) 9.5 avg. 34.3 max.
Elevation Gain (ft) +13,011 / -12,967
Big thanks to my friend Steve for helping me at my pit. Recipe advice: boiled small yellow potatoes with olive oil, rosemary and salt in ziploc bags was the perfect food. Also used Succeed Amino & Clip2 drink mixes, worked well for me as they did at last year's Cool race.
Maybe someone else can tell the teacup story. See you at Napa Valley Dirt Classic or Cool.
My main goal was to finish 6 laps in less time and not be in as much pain as I was after 6 laps last year. Finished seven laps with 54 minutes left for an 8th lap. Instead of opting for a practice lap, I went for a beer. Back was aching, but thanks to Advil, I survived. Finished the seventh lap pretty much as a casual loop, hanging with SJensen and his DH bike the whole way. I think both of us could have done it faster, but it was great to just chill knowing we had close to 2 hours to do it in. Great seeing everyone out there and the vibe of the whole event was A+!!
Greate job to Carlos and everyone else involved! Can't wait until next year.
I raced on a 3-man team with jrm and pimpbot.
jrm, pimpbot and rensho.
pimpbot, ready for his first lap.
We were out there to have fun and to break no other records than our own. Unfortunately, having never raced Boggs before, I had to set a president before I could break any personal records.
At Cool a few weeks ago, I nursed the last 3 miles of my second lap with a slowly leaking front tire which probably hurt me for a few minutes of lap time. Based on some of the claims of "rock garden sections" at boggs, I converted my Jericho Leadfoot over to Stan's using the rimstrips, juice and Hutchinson Spider UST tires last week. I only got to ride a couple of miles before the race to try it out but I felt confident that the conversion had been a success.
It was downright cold as we lined up for the first lap. I lined up in group 5 - 3-man and 3-person Co-ed and we started 7 minutes after the lead group. Unfortunately, what that meant for me was once the start buzzer blew, I was forced into a congo line right after the first fireroad climb.
It was really hard to ride that slow for that long knowing that this was a race. I took every opportunity of a wide spot in the trail to call out and pass, sometimes 3 and 4 riders at a time. I passed people I knew from 2-man teams and eventually even overtaking solos who had started 7 minutes before me.
By the time I hit the long section of fireroad climb, I had easily passed 50 - 60 people. Some were slower and many had mechanicals, flats or the like. The trail was very dusty and slippery in placed with deep pine needles over dust. My Spiders gripped very well and I never once worried about pinch flatting so gave it everything I had, 1 lap at a time.
Erich and John making the transition.
In all, we racked up 8 laps - 2 for John, 3 each for Erich and myself and IIRC, John said we came in 16th out of 24 teams. Not bad for being the untrained athletes that we are.
My Garmin read 8.55-8.7 miles per lap (3 laps of slightly varying distance) but all read in the area of less than 1400' per lap. My legs said that this was a more accurate number.
After uploading to Motion Based, My first 2 laps read pretty similar but the last lap had reception errors. My top speeds during the laps read about 30mph according to my Garmin but got perverted to 42mph and 50mph by Motion Based. I can almost believe 42 but no way did I ever hit 50.
Lap 1: I think I forgot to turn off the unit until I hit the MTBR pit a couple of minutes later - about 100 yards from the start/finish.
|Total Time (h:m:s)||1:00:09||6:55 pace|
|Moving Time (h:m:s)||0:56:32||6:30 pace|
|Distance (mi )||8.68|
|Moving Speed (mph)||9.2 avg.||42.9 max.|
|Elevation Gain (ft)||+1,350 / -1,350|
|Temperature (°F)||49.4°F avg.||53.6°F high|
|Wind Speed ( mph)||ENE 2.7 avg.||ENE 4.6 max.|
Lap 2: This time I remembered to turn it off immediately after making the tag.
|Total Time (h:m:s)||0:54:42||6:18 pace|
|Moving Time (h:m:s)||0:54:42||6:18 pace|
|Distance (mi )||8.66|
|Moving Speed (mph)||9.5 avg.||50.9 max.|
|Elevation Gain (ft)||+1,258 / -1,263|
|Temperature (°F)||60.8°F avg.||64.4°F high|
|Wind Speed ( mph)||SSE 8.1 avg.||SSE 10.4 max.|
Between each lap, I cleaned and lubed my chain, checked my tire pressure which remained fairly constant at about 28psi. My Leadfoot and its drivetrain performed almost flawlessly except once dropping the chain off of the inside of the little ring and once off the outside of the big ring, which I was able to recover from without stopping.
I fueled during each lap with a single Clif shot pack and only water from a CamelBak. Between each lap, I ate a banana, SportLegs, half of a breakfast burrito, Cytomax, some junk that was laying around the pit area, lots of water and some Clif Shots and Blocks.
I didn't cramp at all and I didn't feel any lactic burn unti lthe middle of the 3rd lap, which dissipated soon after. Mostly, I attribute this to the SportLegs and Cytomax. The powder Cytomax seems to work better than powder Gatorade but causes me some serious digestive issues.
Photos available in full resolution: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan-ger...7604418752581/
Plim gets ready. He's so fast that even when he's not moving he blurs the space around him.
Rensho and 8Trak. Uncle MTB in background.
Ethan and Jenny.
Mountainbikermom awaiting her coed teammate/son for the tag.
Daryl in the transition area.
Ethan, Jenny and Paul.
plim, jeffh and 8Trak at the MTBR pit.
chum, plim and jeffh between laps.
Bernard came out to cheer on 7hvn.
menso and JL
Justine and Carmen
Morgan on his 18th or 19th lap...I lost count.
Hmmm... I'm really sure I didn't do any hills twice per lap. I wonder why my Edge 305 is so far off?
Four wheels move the body. Two wheels move the soul.
Good times, plenty of suffering
after lap one, really wasn't sure racing wasn't my brightest decision. Kids gave me a nasty head/chest cold earlier in the week and I was still deep into it.
Had a goal of nine laps and managed to reach that, so I'm a very happy camper.
Classic moments were Sully (Sean Sullivan) and I riding along on the ST exchanging hacking spasms each lap. Are mantra for the day was "Lots of High's and Low's man, just keep pedaling" Sully if you check in here, I really hope you're feeling better.
Good seeing Fritz, meeting Carlos in person for the first time, seeing Yuri, Dez, Cameron and many others like...
Nice meeting Brad out there too, he was stomping it good! Nice job man. You're gonna rail at the Coolest this year. See you at the PCRS or the Coolest.
Sean Allen thanks for the shower and helping me get my crap back to my camp.
And thanks for the ride Jimmyboy!
Happy new year..Stuff $: Eno 29wheel (non disc), Yakima, 2 steelheads, with towers for Volvo luggage rails.
thanks so much for the support from everyone. its was great seeing people....as i was pedaling by each lap or after the race when i couldn't even put together full sentences or remember names- including my own.
roger, good to see you and thanks for the encouragement on lap 6 when i was cramping. kevin, sorry the girls at the pit weren't giving massages. nick, why were you going the wrong way when i saw you, and how the f did your girlie do 7 laps on her singlespeed?! amazing. rensho- wish you'd have been out there. raphael, nice job man. jms- nice to meet you in person. i'll try to someday come down and ride with you.
i'm tired today and sore- especially upper body from pushing the bars around. i stayed up there last night and we did a short ride today- i had nothing. the good part- i am still eating. i love eating.