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    The Belmont Half Mountain Adventure - post your time



    Faced with a lack of local races, I am taking a cue from Bike Monkey and putting on a Silent Q-style event. I'm afraid we're unlikely to see Levi post his time for this one.

    The Route

    In Waterdog Lake Park. According to singlespeed.org, there are 386 feet of climbing (68 feet descending) in .62 miles.



    The trails are complicated but the directions are very simple:

    Start next to the trash can pictured above. Go left at every single junction, except take the next right after you roll the log pile. Keep turning left until you see the view pictured below, finishing at the bushes. (Well, actually the route crosses one steep downhill chute, but don't turn there.)

    Left at every turn except after the logs, OK? Detailed photos of the route are in the post below.




    The Rules
    Yield to all trail users and call out on blind corners. Obviously you won't have to stop as much if you go during a day/time when there aren't many people out.

    Time bonuses
    • Volunteer with one of the Waterdog trailwork days before May 1st: 10 seconds (The groups organizing trailwork have no affiliation with this shenanigan).
    • Post a photo of yourself catching sick air (any ride, any time, any place): 10 seconds. People who can jump (unlike me) deserve credit. Whether your air is sufficiently sick will be judged by the MTBR riffraff.
    • And a gimme-- post a decent action shot of yourself on the route (old pics are OK): 5 seconds.


    Post your time, along with comments and lame excuses, in this thread anytime through May 1st, 2009. I will periodically tabulate results here. Also include the date of your attempt. Post as many attempts as you want.

    I originally wanted to make this an all mountain event by including a downhill route. Sadly, wiser minds pointed out that even in a place like Carlmont this could be dangerous. So we are left with a brutal technical hillclimb; you'll just have to man up and pedal. At least no one can take issue with the entry fee.
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    Photos of the route

    The entire route stays left except for one turn.


    Start near the trash can. You will be climbing the steep pavers behind the person's head.

    The pavers
    The pavers are very dangerous if you don't hit them with a lot of speed. Dismounting for this section will only cost you a few seconds if your cyclocross run-up skills are good, so it's unlikely to be a significant factor in your time. If you want to try to ride them, here is my advice: sprint all-out for the entire length of the dam and shift way down just before you hit them or while you are starting to go up them. If you feel yourself stalling out on the steep section, do not try to stick it out; dismount to the left side while you still have a little forward momentum and hug the slope. Another tip: try to unweight the bike as you go over the lip at the bottom to avoid pinch-flats.


    Go left and enjoy the short downhill. There are some blind corners that are downhill in both directions, so call out.




    Stay left, which will force you to climb a short rock garden.


    Stay all the way left, going over the log-pile.


    This is the (one and only) right turn.



    Up up up!


    Ah, you have reached the wall. You are so close now.




    Rounding the corner...


    Finish at the sagebrush bushes.


    Congratulations! Take a moment to enjoy the view. If you throw up, please do so off the trail.
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    You are so on.

    We have to get pics of bonuses within now and 09 May? Is there only one time bonus per bonus type for best time? Single speed bonus or just shut up and deal with it?

    Also, KPD, can you please help do a low rent time trial like Dan did last year? I think this is a great idea.

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    I guess - after it is dried up a bit?

    I could not clear several short climbs this Sunday. Slippery. Wiped out twice. Ouch. Nearly fell in front of what looked like a group taking a lesson riding around them. Embarrassing.

    Going up Raccoon Run and Upper Creek and Finch can be a good timed run.

    I do not think I will post my time for this one. I am too slow. But I will try.

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    What a great idea! I have no climbing skills, so of course my participation will be limited to watching riders and providing unsolicited remarks (I'm really good at those).
    My presence would be the equivalent of painting lamb's blood on your frame, causing the "angel of crash" to nail me instead.

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    I like your idea, but why not include those two brutal fireroad uphills pass the lake, instead of just riding up the pavers to the three byatches.

    The two uphills and then the three climbs to the final wall is a much more intense time trial.

    If it is going to hurt, might as well get the maximum pain and suffering out of it.

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    This is nice man. I'm in. I can go in the morning or lunch for minimum trail users.

    Then I'm going to set the night record!

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    You're on (as soon as I shake this cold). I love this stuff! Reminds me of when I got into mountain biking as a teenager. I'd time myself on a bunch of short loops locally, and keep track of them all in this little notebook. Man, I wish I still had that. I even had this system of hieroglyphics that kept track of things like mud conditions (got pretty soupy & slow in new england) and when I cleaned a technical section.
    Hey, isn't this basically what the euros call enduro??

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    Quote Originally Posted by J
    We have to get pics of bonuses within now and 09 May? Is there only one time bonus per bonus type for best time? Single speed bonus or just shut up and deal with it?
    Old pictures are OK. Only one bonus of each type. I think we should acknowledge singlespeeders with their own category, rather than time bonuses. If I can borrow an SS from someone I'll definitely participate.

    Quote Originally Posted by J
    Also, KPD, can you please help do a low rent time trial like Dan did last year? I think this is a great idea.
    I'm always up for a time trial!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    I guess - after it is dried up a bit?
    ...

    I do not think I will post my time for this one. I am too slow. But I will try.
    Traction was lovely last night. Even if you don't post a time, let us know if you clean the whole route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loll
    I like your idea, but why not include those two brutal fireroad uphills pass the lake, instead of just riding up the pavers to the three byatches.

    The two uphills and then the three climbs to the final wall is a much more intense time trial.

    If it is going to hurt, might as well get the maximum pain and suffering out of it.
    I picked the route to maximize technical as well as aerobic challenges. I think you will find it satisfies on both fronts.

    Maybe we can do your route in May?

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    SVSocrates, francois, budgie-- thanks! Looking forward to seeing your times and/or heckling commentary.

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    Weird, I just made a post about looking for more freeride at Waterdog. So the route is in Red? This is a rad idea. I might be able to try this. fc, can you meet me out there on Friday afternoon? I'm looking for as many air photo time bonuses as I can find

    Edit: Oops, I thought we had to get photo's of sick air on the route. I'll head behind the high school after to work on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    Traction was lovely last night. Even if you don't post a time, let us know if you clean the whole route.
    That is a part of my usual loop, though I do bypass pavers when wet - spilled once. Will time it next time.

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    I have no business in a challenge like this, but I might still do it and post my time just to make everyone feel good about themselves. It'll probably take me a whole year if not longer to be able to clear this whole route in one shot. Can we keep the thread (spreadsheet) going and maybe do a "checkpoint" every half year?

    "Being a woman" bonus or just shut up and deal with it? Okay, I'll go with the latter.

    Now, that pavers climb. I know that after you've done it once, it gets easier to work on it. But how to work on that "getting it the first time" without getting hurt? I have never seen anyone do it, so I'm clueless at this point.

    Oh, BTW, this is a great idea!
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    How about adding a second leg of the challenge that is somewhat simpler: [parking lot - Upper Creek - Finch - to the large stone on top of Finch]. Bonus points if you do them back to back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudworm
    Now, that pavers climb. I know that after you've done it once, it gets easier to work on it. But how to work on that "getting it the first time" without getting hurt? I have never seen anyone do it, so I'm clueless at this point.
    I can help you with this. Its speed, shifting halfway up, and commitment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudworm
    I have no business in a challenge like this, but I might still do it and post my time just to make everyone feel good about themselves. It'll probably take me a whole year if not longer to be able to clear this whole route in one shot. Can we keep the thread (spreadsheet) going and maybe do a "checkpoint" every half year?
    You are far too modest. I have a feeling you will do quite well.

    I'm not going to keep the spreadsheet going past May 1, though it will be there for people to compare to. In May it will be time to move on to new adventures...

    Quote Originally Posted by mudworm
    "Being a woman" bonus or just shut up and deal with it? Okay, I'll go with the latter.
    No time bonus, but we can slice and dice categories however you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    How about adding a second leg of the challenge that is somewhat simpler: [parking lot - Upper Creek - Finch - to the large stone on top of Finch]. Bonus points if you do them back to back.
    Crikey! One thing at a time.

    The Upper Creek/Finch climb is certainly a good candidate for future endeavors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    I picked the route to maximize technical as well as aerobic challenges. I think you will find it satisfies on both fronts.

    Maybe we can do your route in May?
    I knew exactly what you were shooting for when I saw your route! I find that short rock garden really tough, because it steepens quickly, and I'm usually too winded to shift my weight correctly and give it that extra "oomph". This one's a lung burner for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    The Upper Creek/Finch climb is certainly a good candidate for future endeavors.
    I was thinking about people like my wife who can not clear your route. Yeah, one thing at a time is right.

    Now that I have posted here several times I will have to embarrass myself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    You are far too modest. I have a feeling you will do quite well.
    I know, I know. I was just hoping that by trying to be the most modest person in the world, it can help me climb the pavers and clear that one foot step up on Berry's Trail, the rock garden, and the log pile, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by J
    I can help you with this. Its speed, shifting halfway up, and commitment.
    Thanks J! But that's only 20% of the game; the other 80% is the fear of that Uh-oh moment.
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    Not to discourage you, mudworm, but my one and only attempt at climbing the pavers ended up with an uncomfortable tumble back down the hill. I haven't been able to even try it since (always hike up).

    But I've seen it done a few times - the trick seems to be, as J said, enough speed and shifting correctly. Didn't Charles & J do it on a tandem last year?

    The pavers and "the wall" are the only 2 climbs at Waterdog I haven't cleared yet.. cool that they are both on this course - nothing like facing up to a challenge

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    Anyone have pictures of the Pavers section?

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    The pavers

    Quote Originally Posted by mttamrnr
    Anyone have pictures of the Pavers section?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratpick
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    It feеls a bit steeper then it looks in this picture..
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    I think it would be funner to time that route in the opposite direction I've never actually climbed that trail, to fun going down

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC
    I think it would be funner to time that route in the opposite direction I've never actually climbed that trail, to fun going down
    Oh, I hear you.

    But I don't want to be responsible for tempting people to break 30 mph on the Berry Trail when some family is hiking up.

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    Single speed, cleaned the pavers (fizzywater saw it), much suffering in between, 7:14

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    Any point deductions for pinch flatting on the bottom of the pavers for a third time...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J
    Single speed, cleaned the pavers (fizzywater saw it), much suffering in between, 7:14
    And it's on! Nice work J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rho
    Any point deductions for pinch flatting on the bottom of the pavers for a third time...?
    Having "Captain Pinchflat" as your user title might be bad luck.

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    going to ride after work, probably start around 5. i guess instead of coming down the pavers and doing the loop around the lake I can turn around and head on up. much stopping to huff and puff will be done.

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    *sigh* Tried the pavers three times today at lunch time, and failed. I had some spectacular falls. My helmet got a handsome dent from knocking on the trail post at the bottom, but luckily I am not seriously injured. I had a committal problem. I think I'll wait until after Boggs to try again. I didn't do the whole route, hence no recorded time, because I did not want to impose my agenda on my riding companions for the whole ride. The good news is riding up Berry Trail is easier than I remembered from a year ago. Yay!
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    This is a great idea. I've never been to waterdog. I think I'll give it a go this weekend. Is it crowded on say Saturday morning?
    I like to ride bikes.

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    Likely, yes, but moreso on the fireroad. But dont let that stop you. Just be careful zipping around.

    Mei there's a few other spots you can practice on before trying the pavers. I can show you a few that are a little less consequential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J
    I can help you with this. Its speed, shifting halfway up, and commitment.
    Yes ladies, you heard the word "commitment" uttered by a man, right here.
    My presence would be the equivalent of painting lamb's blood on your frame, causing the "angel of crash" to nail me instead.

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    Welp, if I end up in Belmot this weekend, I'm gonna have to give it a try.
    First: gotta clear the pavers.
    Second: gotta clear the rock garden.

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    OK I did this as part of my overall post-work ride today. I had a nice chunk of chocolate just before starting the timed climb but it didnt help with the pavers. Strange because I had just come down them and thought it would be no problem.

    Once I got closer to them, I realized they're practically a fricken wall. That picture someone posted is totally wrong. Hell that rocky stuff at the end of 3rd divide is easier than this. I knew if I wanted to practice I'd have to be unclipped and try with flats but that wasn't an option. As I hiked past the pavers, I mused at how ridiculous they were and that I dont have time to bother.

    Started the climb once again and when I came up to the rocky section I went for it but damnit I lost it somewhere and had to hike the final 2 or 3 feet. I didnt even bother with the logs and kept riding ... I mean, it would have probably been another dismount anyway.

    For the final wall ... you guessed it, I went and took the switchbacks up, mostly because I was way too tired to even try it. At the top of the switchbacks I was already hurting, thinking of how I would feel the exact same pain on Saturday at Lake Sonoma.

    After brushing off a couple "Why do I do this stupid sh*t???" self doubts, I pressed on to the end.

    Here's the motionbased record: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/e...kValue=7830863

    Total for the timed section: 10:35

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    Atta boy. Yeah I was digging really deep too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    Once I got closer to them, I realized they're practically a fricken wall.
    They look completely vertical when you approach them, don't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    For the final wall ... you guessed it, I went and took the switchbacks up, mostly because I was way too tired to even try it.
    Don't be discouraged-- the route is really hard. Just cleaning the steep pitches before the wall requires lots of skill and power.

    Let me know if you have a short comment you want in the spreadsheet.

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    KPD I am in. Sunday is my day. I'm ready for the pavers...I'll just duct tape 4 pillows to my a&& and keep trying til I clean it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudworm
    ...My helmet got a handsome dent from knocking on the trail post at the bottom, but luckily I am not seriously injured...
    Yikes! Be careful!

    I've seen another person tumble into that post-- maybe it should be moved.

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    ouch

    I gave it a shot this morning during the shakeout ride on the new Nomad - I haven't ridden all-out uphill off-road in a very long time, forgot how much harder it is to keep the rubber side down when you're anaerobic.
    7:50
    Cleaned the pavers by the lake but unclipped at the last steep bit rather than pass out & fall into the poison oak. I was so slow in places it prolly would have been faster to just get off & run There were a lot of folks out in the 'Dog this a.m., so maybe we'll see some more times posted today.

    Can we add a field to the grid for Setup? As in all-mountain, XC, SS? Now that I've done it once I want to trade my baggy shorts, camelback & 34 lb bike for lycra and my 23 lb XC hardtail. Then again, maybe I don't want proof that the reason I'm slow is me & not the bike.

    Great thread, btw
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    Let me know if you have a short comment you want in the spreadsheet.
    Hmm not really but perhaps the bike setup: 6" travel Reign, 26.5 lbs

    Possibly I'll give it a go with a hardtail some day.

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    The pavers

    It sounds like a lot of people have been risking life and limb on the pavers. I'm glad people are pushing themselves, but please don't hurt yourself. You can do the route really fast without riding this section. Saying no can be a good thing. I've added the following to the route description in the second post:

    The pavers
    The pavers are very dangerous if you don't hit them with a lot of speed. Dismounting for this section will only cost you a few seconds if your cyclocross run-up skills are good, so it's unlikely to be a significant factor in your time. If you want to try to ride them, here is my advice: sprint all-out for the entire length of the dam and shift way down just before you hit them or while you are starting to go up them. If you feel yourself stalling out on the steep section, do not try to stick it out; dismount to the left side while you still have a little forward momentum and hug the slope. Another tip: try to unweight the bike as you go over the lip at the bottom to avoid pinch-flats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWheels
    I gave it a shot this morning during the shakeout ride on the new Nomad...
    Strong effort on the big bike! For now bike setup can go under comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    I've seen another person tumble into that post-- maybe it should be moved.
    Or, maybe bringmemud should duck tape the pillows around the post instead.

    Actually, the post is just fine. How many people are crazy enough to try to climb the pavers? And how many among them are clueless enough to fail again and again? Probably not many. (Man, I feel special.)

    Oh, I just saw the tips, all making sense, inline with what J mentioned. My sense tends to fall behind though when my bike gains speed.
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    Nice idea. Two questions:

    1. Any time bonuses for cleaning the whole route?
    2. Any time bonus for ridingcleaning the übersteep 20-foot chute from the fireroad to the trashcan start? If you haven't seen it, check it out from the top next time you are there. It *will* make you pucker. (unless you're J, who probably nose-wheelies down it to make it more interesting)

    Game on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Santo
    1. Any time bonuses for cleaning the whole route?
    Yes. The time bonus of not having to get off and walk. Plus you can brag about it in the comments.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Santo
    2. Any time bonus for ridingcleaning the übersteep 20-foot chute from the fireroad to the trashcan start? If you haven't seen it, check it out from the top next time you are there. It *will* make you pucker. (unless you're J, who probably nose-wheelies down it to make it more interesting)
    I've seen it, and it is definitely sphincter-tightening. If you post a picture of yourself getting air on that descent, you get the sick-air time bonus.

    Let's see those times!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    Old pictures are OK. Only one bonus of each type. I think we should acknowledge singlespeeders with their own category, rather than time bonuses. If I can borrow an SS from someone I'll definitely participate.
    You can borrow my SS dirtjumper anytime

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    Man, I miss living in Emerald Hills and having WD as my backyard ride. So fun, and what a freaking view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blong
    You can borrow my SS dirtjumper anytime
    I'm guessing the bike has real DJ geometry and a long spongy fork?

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    Time to man up and go tubeless.
    My presence would be the equivalent of painting lamb's blood on your frame, causing the "angel of crash" to nail me instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudworm
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    This picture needs to be rotated counter-clockwise about 20 degrees to have a chance of accurately representing what people actually have to contend with on this sucker. I have 3 spectacular dives into the poison oak here -- still hoping to clean...one day.
    My presence would be the equivalent of painting lamb's blood on your frame, causing the "angel of crash" to nail me instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    I'm guessing the bike has real DJ geometry and a long spongy fork?
    and flat pedals

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    Great idea and lots of inspiration! This finally inspired me to really session.....

    the 2 remaining sections I have not cleared at Waterdog to date. Pavers and the short steep rock garden. No more....on Friday I sessioned the rock garden and succeded once. Today I sessioned again for a little longer and cleared it 4 times
    A few more sessions and clearing it more consistently should be a non-issue.

    Gulp, the pavers are going to be another story, it's purely mental. Talking to J, Pimp-Al and a few other people, I know exactly what I have to do (enough speed, gearing,....), but I really have this cursed mental block ever since I failed in my first 2 attempts long time ago and got close to get hurt really badly

    Sooo, next week I am going to fight my inner daemons, bite the bullet and session the pavers (this week it's still going to be rock garden drills). Anybody in the same predicament is more than welcome to join me. Friday PM and Sunday PM usually works best.

    Awesome thread!!!

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    I really like this idea. I would have tried to throw down a time when I was out there but I forgot my watch, and Waterdog is a little confusing with all the off chutes. You may want to hang little red ribbons on the tree's to indicate your course.

    Can we do this on Sawpit at Demo? Heli pad to Hins Mill Rd. I think that would be a great course for the next version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blong
    and flat pedals
    Sure, why not? PM me when and where to pick it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzywater
    Sooo, next week I am going to fight my inner daemons, bite the bullet and session the pavers (this week it's still going to be rock garden drills). Anybody in the same predicament is more than welcome to join me. Friday PM and Sunday PM usually works best.
    Ping me, I will join you. When I started riding there, I did clear them without thinking, then I wiped out in wet weather, and I had been avoiding it ever since. Need to try again - and to try out my fancy new elbow and knee pads.

    Maybe one can stand to the right for encouragement - and grabbing if you wipe out. I can rig myself there and catch you. (or just video you falling)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeng
    I really like this idea. I would have tried to throw down a time when I was out there but I forgot my watch, and Waterdog is a little confusing with all the off chutes. You may want to hang little red ribbons on the tree's to indicate your course.
    Thanks jeng. Based on your reputation, I think the rest of us are secretly happy you forgot your watch.

    It is a knot of trails in there-- I'll try re-writing the route description and will look at hanging a ribbon on the one right turn.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeng
    Can we do this on Sawpit at Demo? Heli pad to Hins Mill Rd. I think that would be a great course for the next version.
    I don't get down to Demo enough to be a credible event host for that, but you should post it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWheels
    Cleaned the pavers by the lake but unclipped at the last steep bit rather than pass out & fall into the poison oak.
    I was about to give the "pavers" a try, willing to risk potential injury... until you mentioned the poison oak. After seeing some of the pics in the poison oak thread, its not worth the risk... I'm out.

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    Didn't do the challenge this weekend, but we did stop and play at the pavers for a bit. Here's the key. Ride really, really fast. Close your eyes at the bottom. Open them at the top.

    The trick is to get in a gear that will let you accelerate to an adequate speed. I think what many people do is get in too low a gear, thinking, "Oh, I need a low gear to climb something THAT steep!". If you go fast enough, you shouldn't need to downshift on the steep part. Once you're past the elbow, you're golden. And don't even put your fingers on the brake levers on the approach!

    IMO, the rock garden is much tougher. Kudos to you guys for clearing that! We didn't have time to session it, but our attempt was close, but no cigar.

    Of course, my best trick of the day was falling off a bridge on Chaparral while avoiding injury and, more importantly, all the little poison oak sprouts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SVSocrates
    This picture needs to be rotated counter-clockwise about 20 degrees to have a chance of accurately representing what people actually have to contend with on this sucker. I have 3 spectacular dives into the poison oak here -- still hoping to clean...one day.
    I know: I took it with my iPhone and it does look less steep than it is:
    The ensuing quick dismount by J looks even better...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen_Turtle
    I know: I took it with my iPhone and it does look less steep than it is:
    The ensuing quick dismount by J looks even better...
    I knew that the first photo was designed to deceive.

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    "Fast time stands at 19:03"

    Yeah man, that's haulin...

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    So just to add a little hilarity to this contest and to set the bar at a point so low that we might get a few more challengers, I rode this today. Reba cut me off on the race to the pavers and so I missed my shift. Fell off the pavers (to the left) did a little somersault and left some chainring marks on the post. Made a few sections I normally walk, and only had to pause to catch my breath once, but pretty much pushed up all the steeps. 22:14. I thought I might quadruple J's time but it was only a little more than three times slower.

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    Performed Run #1 today. Time 8:05.
    Afternoon of March 23.

    Cleaned everything from trash can to vista. I was gasping for air when I reached the top of the final climb.

    1) I'm certain I can improve. Maybe 10-20 seconds faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knobbyknees
    So just to add a little hilarity to this contest...
    That's awesome Patty! Sorry to hear about the tumble on the pavers-- yikes!

    I think if we gave you the trailwork time bonus you deserve, you would beat us all.

    Edit: your story was good enough that I'm giving you the picture time bonus, even though it isn't an action shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wddung
    Cleaned everything from trash can to vista.
    Wow! You are officially the first contestant to put it all together.

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    Well, I'm having trouble believing this time, but I managed 7:33 this afternoon. I went as light as I could which probably made the difference. And all those roadie miles apparently have improved my climbing stamina.. And my bike is fresh out of a service with PTB and feels like new!

    Didn't clear the pavers, got so close to clearing the rock garden but dabbed at the top of it and I opted for the switchback instead of the wall. Which all, make me wonder about the time. But I double-checked KPD's map above against my GPS track, even subtracted the start time from the end time to eliminate bike computer weirdness and it comes out at 7:33.

    I guess I'll have to redo it to make sure

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    I did the 1/2 mtn adventure today. Cleaned? Not much except my 27 lb. Blur XC when I got home. I kept after it though and huffed and puffed to a 10:40 time. Old and in the way I thought I heard them say...

    This is awesome fun. Thanks for setting this up kpd.

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    ratpick: you may not believe your time, but we always had faith in you.

    sb-otb: no one who voluntarily climbs Berry is old or in the way!

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    kpd.. I'll believe it when I can do it again.. just to be sure

    I snapped a shot of the chute near the garbage can.. never even noticed this drop before. Unfortunately my phone's camera makes it look pretty tame!
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    Thanks for the fun challenge.
    My time today was 8:36 on my rigid 1x9 Chameleon.
    I had to walk both big walls.

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    Grrr pavers.....

    Found myself at waterdog this past weekend after sleeping in and being a weenie about the cold+rain on Saturday instead of getting up early for Lake Sonoma... I had just read this thread, and finding myself at the trashcan after riding around the Rambler/John Brooks/Lake Road trails, figured Id give it a shot. Reset my comp, got in gear, and started off toward the short steep paver climb. Hit the pavers and was clean up to the landing where it turns right, still with enough speed to make it on up and clear the section, except for this loud hiss I heard behind me. Sure enough, my rear was going flat as I looked back to see what was going on. I knew I hit the start of the pavers kinda hard, going at speed, but didnt think it was enough of an edge to give me a pinch, so I went back down the steps to see what I hit. The evil metal stakes holding the base of the paver section in place were sticking up a good inch above the rest of the trail. Im sure one punched a nice crescent shaped hole in my tube (havent checked the tube just yet). I was dumb and opted to not bring my spare with me, so I ended up hiking most of the course back out. Anyway, I managed to steal some flagging tape from a stick just above the pavers (looks like a new trail/path is flagged around that side of the lake?) and tied it to the two sticking up. Since I didnt pack my sledgehammer this time, I was unable to fix them, but figured the hot-pink flagging would help others keep from flatting. Someone should probly go back and pound them back down some, I will next time Im out and feel like riding around with 6Lbs of steel in my pack.

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    This is a great idea, thanks kpd. I'd never ridden up it before but I tried it yesterday afternoon and did 9:03. Walked the pavers, the wooden 90deg bridge, the rock garden, and the steep at the top, but I'm happy I pedaled up the smooth climbs!

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    No one seems to be having trouble with that wooden bridge? I always seem to lose traction after I hit it. Any advice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tron
    No one seems to be having trouble with that wooden bridge? I always seem to lose traction after I hit it. Any advice?
    No problems here with traction on the bridge, but then I'm using tubeless Kenda "so sticky you can ride upside down" Nevegals. I've noticed the wooden structures/ladders can be very slippery if at all damp - I nearly took a fall off the ladder over the car when my rear was spinning like on ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tron
    No one seems to be having trouble with that wooden bridge? I always seem to lose traction after I hit it. Any advice?
    Lower tire pressure, perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaverbiker
    Hey Justin, we've been doing runs from the top of ridge trail (at the kiosk near the top of bacon) to the bottom of Sawpit on the road. Fast time stands at 19:03.

    It's too easy if you only race it from the Heli pad.
    Aight. I guess that would be more of an "All Mountain Adventure" than a half mtn. I'd like to put down a half time at the Water Dog but I'm in the valley this weekend then next Friday I'm off to Moab for a week. Portal all mountain adventure anyone? Let's do the Ridge Sawpit race sometime after I get back. I'll be ready

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    I have no troubles with the bridge. Just do a few repeats on it until you get it right. I will say its not easy!

    I super commit to the pavers, then *crawl* up the next 2 switchbacks. This way, I can burst up through the off-camber root section and keep blasting up the wooden bridge. As soon as you commit to the bridge, shift your weight slightly back so you maintain traction on the rear wheel.

    That'll be $20 via paypal. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J
    I have no troubles with the bridge. Just do a few repeats on it until you get it right. I will say its not easy!

    I super commit to the pavers, then *crawl* up the next 2 switchbacks. This way, I can burst up through the off-camber root section and keep blasting up the wooden bridge. As soon as you commit to the bridge, shift your weight slightly back so you maintain traction on the rear wheel.

    That'll be $20 via paypal. Thanks.
    Yeah, bridge isn't too bad. I get (OK, got, since I don't live there anymore) a tiny bit of wheelspin there every once in awhile, just to keep things entertaining.

    And J is right. You just have to commit on the pavers. D*mn the shifting until you get to the top, you should have enough momentum to carry past the apex. I didn't believe the line was possible until I watched him ride it.

    Fun thread kpd. Gives me something to read while I wait for the trails to open.

    J, there's a cool waterfall out here with some trials-y stuff. When are you going to organize a midpen outing and help me build a pump track in the backyard?
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    3/26 Rode it after work today
    Time: 9:15
    Turner XCE 26.5 lbs 4" travel

    Slipped on bridge
    Cleared root on Berry
    Did not clear rock garden
    From here on, I was at max heart rate, and could barely sustain
    Cleaned climbs and log pile up to the wall
    Did not clean wall
    Made it to the sagebrush!

    I obviously have not been riding hard enough. I hit max heart rate fast and couldn't sustain decent power output, let alone shift my weight properly for the climbs. What a challenge! I don't think I'll ever take the fire road option again if given a choice.

    On the log pile sometime last season

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger
    3/26 Rode it after work today
    Nice action shot, tburger.

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    Climbing the pavers... Do everything kpd says and remember (this is the commitment part) do not look down. Hit the beginning with speed - lots of it - spin the peddles and shift down as your cadence catches up with your speed - stop shifting and peddle HARD to crest the first pitch - the rest is easy. DON'T LOOK DOWN - look where you are going. This pitch is easier than the rocky section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tron
    No one seems to be having trouble with that wooden bridge? I always seem to lose traction after I hit it. Any advice?
    A bit of speed into the bridge helps... If you gently loft your tire at the transition from dirt to wood the bump will not slow you down as much and helps with momentum and again - look to the top of the bridge as you approach (don't look down).

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    Time: 6:41.99
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    Two of the Passion Early Ride riders finished right on my wheel... I fell off three times (not at the pavers) but my newly acquired cross mount skills helped mitigate the delay! pictures next time plus action shot next time - an uphill huck?? We did this in the middle of the wednesday night ride. My GPS track will appear on motionbased soon...

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    I'll be out there tomorrow (Saturday) with a sledgehammer to drive in those spikes at the bottom of the pavers. Looks for a trailwork notice in the forum soon.

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    I tried it again with Backpedal on Saturday am. 6:58.

    Turner 5 spot this time.

    Notes: I clipped a bush and people have been asking me all weekend what happened to my lip.

    Bonuses - I did trailwork with Patty's group on Sat, an old pic of me on the course has been posted. I'll post an air pic later.

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    I tried it again yesterday with my hardtail and felt an enormous sense of accomplishment when I made it up and over the bridge. Still didn't try the pavers though. My time improved from 9:03 to 8:18.

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    8:08 Saturday Morning

    On my Nomad, first thing Saturday morning and trying like hell to stay out in front of J. Cleared the pavers and the bridge, but put one foot down on the top of the first Sister, and another foot down at the top of the fourth Sister.

    Anyone want to try Wednesday night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Shirts
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    Nice work Tom! Good thing you don't need to blame your bike for holding you back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knobbyknees
    I'll be out there tomorrow (Saturday) with a sledgehammer to drive in those spikes at the bottom of the pavers. Looks for a trailwork notice in the forum soon.
    Awesome. Thank you Patty!

    I'm planning to be there for this weekend's trailwork.

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    J has cracked 7 minutes, aabbas has cut 45 seconds off his time, and backpedal is throwing down a Wednesday night challenge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by backpedal
    Anyone want to try Wednesday night?
    Am I too crazy for proposing a "Crazy climbers" group for Wednesday night? If we get a group going, we can have technical sessions at the pavers, wooden bridge, root step, rock garden, log pile, and the wall with do-overs. We can then come down and ride up in one shot timing ourselves (and taking pictures of others). Something like a time trial sending people off at one-minute intervals so nobody gets held up. I know I won't get everything in one evening, but it'll be nice to watch others do it so I can work on it later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudworm
    Am I too crazy for proposing a "Crazy climbers" group for Wednesday night? If we get a group going, we can have technical sessions at the pavers, wooden bridge, root step, rock garden, log pile, and the wall with do-overs. We can then come down and ride up in one shot timing ourselves (and taking pictures of others). Something like a time trial sending people off at one-minute intervals so nobody gets held up. I know I won't get everything in one evening, but it'll be nice to watch others do it so I can work on it later.
    Sounds cool. I could lend advice for the technical sections. Climbing fast, however, I'll have nothin' for ya.
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    I might be riding tandem on Wed, but if not, I'll lead a burst climbing clinic.

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    In Belmont visiting family and saw this post. Took an afternoon pass to check this out.

    First pass - Pavers are so steep you can not bail and remain standing. Dust off and climb the smooth stuff. Climb some rocks and think "I've made the rock garden!" - wrong section. Time? It's a learning experience.

    Second time - Walk the pavers, get front wheel on the bridge, meh. Still conservative, falling on P.O. is my nightmare. Last steep climb I wandered into the grass and found traction. 9:45

    Bike - Air 9. Fox fork.

    edit: Upon further reading, I made the rock garden. I thought the rocks after the logs were tougher.
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