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    The Belmont Half Mountain Adventure - post your time

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    Faced with a lack of local races, I am taking a cue from Bike Monkey and putting on a Silent Q-style event. I'm afraid we're unlikely to see Levi post his time for this one.

    The Route
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    In Waterdog Lake Park. According to singlespeed.org, there are 386 feet of climbing (68 feet descending) in .62 miles.

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    The trails are complicated but the directions are very simple:

    Start next to the trash can pictured above. Go left at every single junction, except take the next right after you roll the log pile. Keep turning left until you see the view pictured below, finishing at the bushes. (Well, actually the route crosses one steep downhill chute, but don't turn there.)

    Left at every turn except after the logs, OK? Detailed photos of the route are in the post below.

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    The Rules
    Yield to all trail users and call out on blind corners. Obviously you won't have to stop as much if you go during a day/time when there aren't many people out.

    Time bonuses
    • Volunteer with one of the Waterdog trailwork days before May 1st: 10 seconds (The groups organizing trailwork have no affiliation with this shenanigan).
    • Post a photo of yourself catching sick air (any ride, any time, any place): 10 seconds. People who can jump (unlike me) deserve credit. Whether your air is sufficiently sick will be judged by the MTBR riffraff.
    • And a gimme-- post a decent action shot of yourself on the route (old pics are OK): 5 seconds.


    Post your time, along with comments and lame excuses, in this thread anytime through May 1st, 2009. I will periodically tabulate results here. Also include the date of your attempt. Post as many attempts as you want.

    I originally wanted to make this an all mountain event by including a downhill route. Sadly, wiser minds pointed out that even in a place like Carlmont this could be dangerous. So we are left with a brutal technical hillclimb; you'll just have to man up and pedal. At least no one can take issue with the entry fee.
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    Photos of the route

    The entire route stays left except for one turn.

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    Start near the trash can. You will be climbing the steep pavers behind the person's head.

    The pavers
    The pavers are very dangerous if you don't hit them with a lot of speed. Dismounting for this section will only cost you a few seconds if your cyclocross run-up skills are good, so it's unlikely to be a significant factor in your time. If you want to try to ride them, here is my advice: sprint all-out for the entire length of the dam and shift way down just before you hit them or while you are starting to go up them. If you feel yourself stalling out on the steep section, do not try to stick it out; dismount to the left side while you still have a little forward momentum and hug the slope. Another tip: try to unweight the bike as you go over the lip at the bottom to avoid pinch-flats.

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    Go left and enjoy the short downhill. There are some blind corners that are downhill in both directions, so call out.

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    Stay left, which will force you to climb a short rock garden.

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    Stay all the way left, going over the log-pile.

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    This is the (one and only) right turn.


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    Up up up!

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    Ah, you have reached the wall. You are so close now.

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    Rounding the corner...

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    Finish at the sagebrush bushes.

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    Congratulations! Take a moment to enjoy the view. If you throw up, please do so off the trail.
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    You are so on.

    We have to get pics of bonuses within now and 09 May? Is there only one time bonus per bonus type for best time? Single speed bonus or just shut up and deal with it?

    Also, KPD, can you please help do a low rent time trial like Dan did last year? I think this is a great idea.

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    I guess - after it is dried up a bit?

    I could not clear several short climbs this Sunday. Slippery. Wiped out twice. Ouch. Nearly fell in front of what looked like a group taking a lesson riding around them. Embarrassing.

    Going up Raccoon Run and Upper Creek and Finch can be a good timed run.

    I do not think I will post my time for this one. I am too slow. But I will try.

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    What a great idea! I have no climbing skills, so of course my participation will be limited to watching riders and providing unsolicited remarks (I'm really good at those).
    My presence would be the equivalent of painting lamb's blood on your frame, causing the "angel of crash" to nail me instead.

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    I like your idea, but why not include those two brutal fireroad uphills pass the lake, instead of just riding up the pavers to the three byatches.

    The two uphills and then the three climbs to the final wall is a much more intense time trial.

    If it is going to hurt, might as well get the maximum pain and suffering out of it.

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    This is nice man. I'm in. I can go in the morning or lunch for minimum trail users.

    Then I'm going to set the night record!

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    You're on (as soon as I shake this cold). I love this stuff! Reminds me of when I got into mountain biking as a teenager. I'd time myself on a bunch of short loops locally, and keep track of them all in this little notebook. Man, I wish I still had that. I even had this system of hieroglyphics that kept track of things like mud conditions (got pretty soupy & slow in new england) and when I cleaned a technical section.
    Hey, isn't this basically what the euros call enduro??

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    Quote Originally Posted by J
    We have to get pics of bonuses within now and 09 May? Is there only one time bonus per bonus type for best time? Single speed bonus or just shut up and deal with it?
    Old pictures are OK. Only one bonus of each type. I think we should acknowledge singlespeeders with their own category, rather than time bonuses. If I can borrow an SS from someone I'll definitely participate.

    Quote Originally Posted by J
    Also, KPD, can you please help do a low rent time trial like Dan did last year? I think this is a great idea.
    I'm always up for a time trial!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    I guess - after it is dried up a bit?
    ...

    I do not think I will post my time for this one. I am too slow. But I will try.
    Traction was lovely last night. Even if you don't post a time, let us know if you clean the whole route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loll
    I like your idea, but why not include those two brutal fireroad uphills pass the lake, instead of just riding up the pavers to the three byatches.

    The two uphills and then the three climbs to the final wall is a much more intense time trial.

    If it is going to hurt, might as well get the maximum pain and suffering out of it.
    I picked the route to maximize technical as well as aerobic challenges. I think you will find it satisfies on both fronts.

    Maybe we can do your route in May?

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    SVSocrates, francois, budgie-- thanks! Looking forward to seeing your times and/or heckling commentary.

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    Weird, I just made a post about looking for more freeride at Waterdog. So the route is in Red? This is a rad idea. I might be able to try this. fc, can you meet me out there on Friday afternoon? I'm looking for as many air photo time bonuses as I can find

    Edit: Oops, I thought we had to get photo's of sick air on the route. I'll head behind the high school after to work on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    Traction was lovely last night. Even if you don't post a time, let us know if you clean the whole route.
    That is a part of my usual loop, though I do bypass pavers when wet - spilled once. Will time it next time.

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    I have no business in a challenge like this, but I might still do it and post my time just to make everyone feel good about themselves. It'll probably take me a whole year if not longer to be able to clear this whole route in one shot. Can we keep the thread (spreadsheet) going and maybe do a "checkpoint" every half year?

    "Being a woman" bonus or just shut up and deal with it? Okay, I'll go with the latter.

    Now, that pavers climb. I know that after you've done it once, it gets easier to work on it. But how to work on that "getting it the first time" without getting hurt? I have never seen anyone do it, so I'm clueless at this point.

    Oh, BTW, this is a great idea!
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    How about adding a second leg of the challenge that is somewhat simpler: [parking lot - Upper Creek - Finch - to the large stone on top of Finch]. Bonus points if you do them back to back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudworm
    Now, that pavers climb. I know that after you've done it once, it gets easier to work on it. But how to work on that "getting it the first time" without getting hurt? I have never seen anyone do it, so I'm clueless at this point.
    I can help you with this. Its speed, shifting halfway up, and commitment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudworm
    I have no business in a challenge like this, but I might still do it and post my time just to make everyone feel good about themselves. It'll probably take me a whole year if not longer to be able to clear this whole route in one shot. Can we keep the thread (spreadsheet) going and maybe do a "checkpoint" every half year?
    You are far too modest. I have a feeling you will do quite well.

    I'm not going to keep the spreadsheet going past May 1, though it will be there for people to compare to. In May it will be time to move on to new adventures...

    Quote Originally Posted by mudworm
    "Being a woman" bonus or just shut up and deal with it? Okay, I'll go with the latter.
    No time bonus, but we can slice and dice categories however you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    How about adding a second leg of the challenge that is somewhat simpler: [parking lot - Upper Creek - Finch - to the large stone on top of Finch]. Bonus points if you do them back to back.
    Crikey! One thing at a time.

    The Upper Creek/Finch climb is certainly a good candidate for future endeavors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    I picked the route to maximize technical as well as aerobic challenges. I think you will find it satisfies on both fronts.

    Maybe we can do your route in May?
    I knew exactly what you were shooting for when I saw your route! I find that short rock garden really tough, because it steepens quickly, and I'm usually too winded to shift my weight correctly and give it that extra "oomph". This one's a lung burner for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    The Upper Creek/Finch climb is certainly a good candidate for future endeavors.
    I was thinking about people like my wife who can not clear your route. Yeah, one thing at a time is right.

    Now that I have posted here several times I will have to embarrass myself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    You are far too modest. I have a feeling you will do quite well.
    I know, I know. I was just hoping that by trying to be the most modest person in the world, it can help me climb the pavers and clear that one foot step up on Berry's Trail, the rock garden, and the log pile, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by J
    I can help you with this. Its speed, shifting halfway up, and commitment.
    Thanks J! But that's only 20% of the game; the other 80% is the fear of that Uh-oh moment.
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    Not to discourage you, mudworm, but my one and only attempt at climbing the pavers ended up with an uncomfortable tumble back down the hill. I haven't been able to even try it since (always hike up).

    But I've seen it done a few times - the trick seems to be, as J said, enough speed and shifting correctly. Didn't Charles & J do it on a tandem last year?

    The pavers and "the wall" are the only 2 climbs at Waterdog I haven't cleared yet.. cool that they are both on this course - nothing like facing up to a challenge

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    Anyone have pictures of the Pavers section?

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    The pavers

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    Anyone have pictures of the Pavers section?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratpick
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    It feеls a bit steeper then it looks in this picture..
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    I think it would be funner to time that route in the opposite direction I've never actually climbed that trail, to fun going down

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC
    I think it would be funner to time that route in the opposite direction I've never actually climbed that trail, to fun going down
    Oh, I hear you.

    But I don't want to be responsible for tempting people to break 30 mph on the Berry Trail when some family is hiking up.

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    Single speed, cleaned the pavers (fizzywater saw it), much suffering in between, 7:14

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    Any point deductions for pinch flatting on the bottom of the pavers for a third time...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J
    Single speed, cleaned the pavers (fizzywater saw it), much suffering in between, 7:14
    And it's on! Nice work J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rho
    Any point deductions for pinch flatting on the bottom of the pavers for a third time...?
    Having "Captain Pinchflat" as your user title might be bad luck.

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    going to ride after work, probably start around 5. i guess instead of coming down the pavers and doing the loop around the lake I can turn around and head on up. much stopping to huff and puff will be done.

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    *sigh* Tried the pavers three times today at lunch time, and failed. I had some spectacular falls. My helmet got a handsome dent from knocking on the trail post at the bottom, but luckily I am not seriously injured. I had a committal problem. I think I'll wait until after Boggs to try again. I didn't do the whole route, hence no recorded time, because I did not want to impose my agenda on my riding companions for the whole ride. The good news is riding up Berry Trail is easier than I remembered from a year ago. Yay!
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    This is a great idea. I've never been to waterdog. I think I'll give it a go this weekend. Is it crowded on say Saturday morning?
    I like to ride bikes.

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    Likely, yes, but moreso on the fireroad. But dont let that stop you. Just be careful zipping around.

    Mei there's a few other spots you can practice on before trying the pavers. I can show you a few that are a little less consequential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J
    I can help you with this. Its speed, shifting halfway up, and commitment.
    Yes ladies, you heard the word "commitment" uttered by a man, right here.
    My presence would be the equivalent of painting lamb's blood on your frame, causing the "angel of crash" to nail me instead.

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    Welp, if I end up in Belmot this weekend, I'm gonna have to give it a try.
    First: gotta clear the pavers.
    Second: gotta clear the rock garden.

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    OK I did this as part of my overall post-work ride today. I had a nice chunk of chocolate just before starting the timed climb but it didnt help with the pavers. Strange because I had just come down them and thought it would be no problem.

    Once I got closer to them, I realized they're practically a fricken wall. That picture someone posted is totally wrong. Hell that rocky stuff at the end of 3rd divide is easier than this. I knew if I wanted to practice I'd have to be unclipped and try with flats but that wasn't an option. As I hiked past the pavers, I mused at how ridiculous they were and that I dont have time to bother.

    Started the climb once again and when I came up to the rocky section I went for it but damnit I lost it somewhere and had to hike the final 2 or 3 feet. I didnt even bother with the logs and kept riding ... I mean, it would have probably been another dismount anyway.

    For the final wall ... you guessed it, I went and took the switchbacks up, mostly because I was way too tired to even try it. At the top of the switchbacks I was already hurting, thinking of how I would feel the exact same pain on Saturday at Lake Sonoma.

    After brushing off a couple "Why do I do this stupid sh*t???" self doubts, I pressed on to the end.

    Here's the motionbased record: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/e...kValue=7830863

    Total for the timed section: 10:35

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    Atta boy. Yeah I was digging really deep too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    Once I got closer to them, I realized they're practically a fricken wall.
    They look completely vertical when you approach them, don't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoBalance
    For the final wall ... you guessed it, I went and took the switchbacks up, mostly because I was way too tired to even try it.
    Don't be discouraged-- the route is really hard. Just cleaning the steep pitches before the wall requires lots of skill and power.

    Let me know if you have a short comment you want in the spreadsheet.

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    KPD I am in. Sunday is my day. I'm ready for the pavers...I'll just duct tape 4 pillows to my a&& and keep trying til I clean it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudworm
    ...My helmet got a handsome dent from knocking on the trail post at the bottom, but luckily I am not seriously injured...
    Yikes! Be careful!

    I've seen another person tumble into that post-- maybe it should be moved.

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    ouch

    I gave it a shot this morning during the shakeout ride on the new Nomad - I haven't ridden all-out uphill off-road in a very long time, forgot how much harder it is to keep the rubber side down when you're anaerobic.
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    Cleaned the pavers by the lake but unclipped at the last steep bit rather than pass out & fall into the poison oak. I was so slow in places it prolly would have been faster to just get off & run There were a lot of folks out in the 'Dog this a.m., so maybe we'll see some more times posted today.

    Can we add a field to the grid for Setup? As in all-mountain, XC, SS? Now that I've done it once I want to trade my baggy shorts, camelback & 34 lb bike for lycra and my 23 lb XC hardtail. Then again, maybe I don't want proof that the reason I'm slow is me & not the bike.

    Great thread, btw
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    Let me know if you have a short comment you want in the spreadsheet.
    Hmm not really but perhaps the bike setup: 6" travel Reign, 26.5 lbs

    Possibly I'll give it a go with a hardtail some day.

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    The pavers

    It sounds like a lot of people have been risking life and limb on the pavers. I'm glad people are pushing themselves, but please don't hurt yourself. You can do the route really fast without riding this section. Saying no can be a good thing. I've added the following to the route description in the second post:

    The pavers
    The pavers are very dangerous if you don't hit them with a lot of speed. Dismounting for this section will only cost you a few seconds if your cyclocross run-up skills are good, so it's unlikely to be a significant factor in your time. If you want to try to ride them, here is my advice: sprint all-out for the entire length of the dam and shift way down just before you hit them or while you are starting to go up them. If you feel yourself stalling out on the steep section, do not try to stick it out; dismount to the left side while you still have a little forward momentum and hug the slope. Another tip: try to unweight the bike as you go over the lip at the bottom to avoid pinch-flats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWheels
    I gave it a shot this morning during the shakeout ride on the new Nomad...
    Strong effort on the big bike! For now bike setup can go under comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpd
    I've seen another person tumble into that post-- maybe it should be moved.
    Or, maybe bringmemud should duck tape the pillows around the post instead.

    Actually, the post is just fine. How many people are crazy enough to try to climb the pavers? And how many among them are clueless enough to fail again and again? Probably not many. (Man, I feel special.)

    Oh, I just saw the tips, all making sense, inline with what J mentioned. My sense tends to fall behind though when my bike gains speed.
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    Nice idea. Two questions:

    1. Any time bonuses for cleaning the whole route?
    2. Any time bonus for <strike>riding</strike>cleaning the übersteep 20-foot chute from the fireroad to the trashcan start? If you haven't seen it, check it out from the top next time you are there. It *will* make you pucker. (unless you're J, who probably nose-wheelies down it to make it more interesting)

    Game on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Santo
    1. Any time bonuses for cleaning the whole route?
    Yes. The time bonus of not having to get off and walk. Plus you can brag about it in the comments.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Santo
    2. Any time bonus for <strike>riding</strike>cleaning the übersteep 20-foot chute from the fireroad to the trashcan start? If you haven't seen it, check it out from the top next time you are there. It *will* make you pucker. (unless you're J, who probably nose-wheelies down it to make it more interesting)
    I've seen it, and it is definitely sphincter-tightening. If you post a picture of yourself getting air on that descent, you get the sick-air time bonus.

    Let's see those times!

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