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    bay area gas prices... can i get an amen?

    Holy bonus! 2 months ago, My local gas station had regular unleaded at $3.01. Today it's at $2.11.

    Who would have thunk it. I've never seen a drop this steep before. Let's count our blessings guys. This means more money for bike parts! Or beer.

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    I'm waiting on $1.99!

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Holy bonus! 2 months ago, My local gas station had regular unleaded at $3.01. Today it's at $2.11.

    Who would have thunk it. I've never seen a drop this steep before. Let's count our blessings guys. This means more money for bike parts! Or beer.

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    I'm waiting on $1.99!

    francois
    Amen to that!

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    Don't forget how outraged everyone was when the price hit 2.00 a gallon. The whole spike, I believe was to get people to accept 2.00 gas. How about 1.50, and why do I still pay .50 more for diesel, a byproduct? I am happy the price is falling though!

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    I am glad the price is falling too, but I finally swithced to commuting by bus to work. To dam hard to find parking in San Francisco. Now that I cut back on that time to get some UGI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SF Jakey
    Don't forget how outraged everyone was when the price hit 2.00 a gallon. The whole spike, I believe was to get people to accept 2.00 gas. How about 1.50, and why do I still pay .50 more for diesel, a byproduct? I am happy the price is falling though!
    I do not compute on the $2 outrage!!

    The diesel prices, specially the car grade diesel is insane!! These new diesel cars are soo efficient too. All your fuel economy will be erased by high prices. New diesel cars are illegal to sell in california btw. Bastahds.

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    At least diesel has come down some after the hurricane. Biodiesel went up after the hurricane (ever seen those soybean farms in the gulf?) and hasn't come down since. Holding steady at $3.63!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FixThatBike
    At least diesel has come down some after the hurricane. Biodiesel went up after the hurricane (ever seen those soybean farms in the gulf?) and hasn't come down since. Holding steady at $3.63!!!
    Are you driving a biodiesel machine. If so, how do you like it?

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    SF J has it right. Even though the price has fallen recently, it still sucks!

    I'm convinced that the gas companies raised the prices into the crazy realm over the last few months simply to get us to accept prices in the low to mid $@ range. Once we had a taste of more than $3 / gallon, we're happy to accept the $2.39 as being good.

    It's a national outrage. The Senate hearing where the heads of the oil companies said that the excess profits were put back into the companies should be taken out and shot. That's their excuse?

    So the bottom line I guess is that it's OK to gouge people as long as you put a lot of the money back into your own business?....... and we just accept it...... We're just sheep being manipulated by the worlds richest people.

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    TDI Jetta running B20 (20% biodiesel, 80% regular diesel). Great car, I'd recommend to anybody. The only difference I've noticed when adding the biod is a little less diesel odor. Mainly doing it for the environmental/political benefits. As the price gap widens it's becoming harder to make the trip to the oasis ( http://www.biofueloasis.com/ ), but I figure every little bit helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Shorts
    We're just sheep being manipulated by the worlds richest people.
    He doesn't look very rich, and at least we have HUGE nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    New diesel cars are illegal to sell in california btw. Bastahds.
    Only until they have 7500 miles on them.


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    Folks from out of state are price-gouging with their VW diesels at Craigslist cause they know it's not available here.

    I was interested until I realized how much Diesel costs here. No way!

    That civic is CarOfTheYear (car and driver I think).

    It IS fugly though. Err, I mean bugly. If they made a hatchback, I'd be real interested. Gotta love that hatchbacks!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FixThatBike
    TDI Jetta running B20 (20% biodiesel, 80% regular diesel). Great car, I'd recommend to anybody. The only difference I've noticed when adding the biod is a little less diesel odor. Mainly doing it for the environmental/political benefits. As the price gap widens it's becoming harder to make the trip to the oasis ( http://www.biofueloasis.com/ ), but I figure every little bit helps.
    Good on you. That shows more commitment than the "Support Our Troops" sticker/ribbons that seem to be on every other car (irony?). My sis is looking into a trailer hauling (F-250/350) diesel for a full biod conversion. I'm researching car-based diesel wagons...if only those turbo Subies weren't so much damn fun!

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    So, fill up the tank and head up here and ride with us on Sunday.

    South Yuba Baby!

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    What about parts availability?

    [QUOTE=Fast Eddy]Only until they have 7500 miles on them.

    being that rare a breed and all..

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    Ever wonder why

    Americans pay less than any other country in the world for Gasoline....???

    It's because Americans live in a capitalist country where companies can do pretty much do whatever they want with profits that were earned by selling a legal product and consumers can choose to buy from whomever they please.

    Go to France or some other socialist country where the Government controls the gas prices... and see how much a gallon...er I mean litre of Gasoling costs you.

    Sure I'm not happy about gas prices...and you are 100% correct about oil companies raising the price up to 3 so they can get 2 without much complaint. But even when gas becomes $5 a gallon....other coutries like France and Italy will be paying $15.

    We got it real good here in the USA and it is because of Capitalism and Democracy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrm
    What about parts availability?
    being that rare a breed and all..
    They're legal and popular in 45 or so states. The dealer can fix them just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FixThatBike
    At least diesel has come down some after the hurricane. Biodiesel went up after the hurricane (ever seen those soybean farms in the gulf?) and hasn't come down since. Holding steady at $3.63!!!
    And have you noticed that the quality has gone down since? Seems there is more water and particles in the stuff i get in San Jose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    I was interested until I realized how much Diesel costs here. No way!
    My Impala had an unreliable event (didn't start one night to go home), so I've been driving our big diesel crew-cab around. It sucks when $75 is only 3/4 of a tank. It's down to about $2.45/gal

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboulder
    Americans pay less than any other country in the world for Gasoline....???

    It's because Americans live in a capitalist country where companies can do pretty much do whatever they want with profits that were earned by selling a legal product and consumers can choose to buy from whomever they please.

    Go to France or some other socialist country where the Government controls the gas prices... and see how much a gallon...er I mean litre of Gasoling costs you.

    Sure I'm not happy about gas prices...and you are 100% correct about oil companies raising the price up to 3 so they can get 2 without much complaint. But even when gas becomes $5 a gallon....other coutries like France and Italy will be paying $15.

    We got it real good here in the USA and it is because of Capitalism and Democracy!
    Pay less than any other country in the world?

    http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...bal_gasprices/

    How about living in a nice Kingdom like Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. Or maybe Nigeria? I wonder how the riding is there?

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    Francois, go to Mill Valley!

    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Holy bonus! 2 months ago, My local gas station had regular unleaded at $3.01. Today it's at $2.11.

    Who would have thunk it. I've never seen a drop this steep before. Let's count our blessings guys. This means more money for bike parts! Or beer.

    check:
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    I'm waiting on $1.99!

    francois
    Just saw it coming into work at the Arco on Hwy 101 in Mill Valley: $1.99 freaking dollars!

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    I like...

    ...what Jimmy Mac said in the new MBA, "Why do we complain about paying $3 a gallon for gasoline, but gulp down $29-a-gallon Red Bull?"

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    We definitely have it better, but not because the oil companies are free to do what they want. The other countries pay more primarily due to taxation, not what oil companies are charging.

    You're right .... we have it good, but that doesn't mean that it's OK for oil companies to gouge us with a product that we are totally dependent on.

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    I got a good steal on gas

    on wed. It seems the person putting the prices in at the gas pump on the 76 station near my house put in $1.19 instead of $2.19. So it was nice filling up my tank for about $25 Don;'t know whether they fixed it or not yet.
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    Oil Companies.....

    gouge us over here....the government does it over there....now we can get into a discussion about who we trust (government or big business) to redistribute that back into society...preferably without infringing on our constitutional rights....oh...here I go...I'll stop now.

    Have a great weekend!

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    Oh Yes...

    Quote Originally Posted by seasick
    Pay less than any other country in the world?

    http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...bal_gasprices/

    How about living in a nice Kingdom like Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. Or maybe Nigeria? I wonder how the riding is there?
    I forgot about all the countries that produce more oil than they use!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboulder
    So, fill up the tank and head up here and ride with us on Sunday.

    South Yuba Baby!
    South Yuba... don't tempt me. I have 3 xmas parties this weekend!

    I'm really big now on cyclocrossing from my doorstep so that will have to do.

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    Good points! I like your pragmatic approach.

    You have a great weekend, too! ..... which means including lots of riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboulder
    gouge us over here....the government does it over there....now we can get into a discussion about who we trust (government or big business) to redistribute that back into society...preferably without infringing on our constitutional rights....oh...here I go...I'll stop now.

    Have a great weekend!

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    I'm not so sure that either big business or government can every be considered trustwothy. I'm not an internet economist (nor do I play one at work), but isn't one of the general rules of capitalism supposed to be Supply vs Demand? Oil companies should be free to charge whatever they want until people get PO'ed enough and actually do something...besides just whining about it that is.

    Wow...I just realized this is the first time I've visited the Political Board on MTBr!

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    I'm tellin ya....

    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    South Yuba... don't tempt me. I have 3 xmas parties this weekend!

    I'm really big now on cyclocrossing from my doorstep so that will have to do.

    fc
    brah! were gonna do some sick drops brah!

    cyclocrossing!? wtf? you bay area guys...sheesh! gotta pink helmet for that ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasick
    I'm not so sure that either big business or government can every be considered trustwothy. I'm not an internet economist (nor do I play one at work), but isn't one of the general rules of capitalism supposed to be Supply vs Demand? Oil companies should be free to charge whatever they want until people get PO'ed enough and actually do something...besides just whining about it that is.

    Wow...I just realized this is the first time I've visited the Political Board on MTBr!
    Generally speaking, you're correct about supply and demand. Unfortunately, when it comes to things that are basic necessities, then the issue gets a bit clouded.

    Take water, for instance. Should water companies be allowed to charge whatever they want for water? People need water to survive.

    Now take oil. Oil has become a necessity in our society. our entire economy is based on it for transportation, manufacturing, heating. It affects every aspect of our lives. If supply and demand are the only driver for oil prices, were letting ourselves in for a lot of trouble.

    In the past, most of the oil companies that provided oil and gas to the US were US owned. So even though they were not regulated, it was in their best interests to keep oil prices reasonable. Destroying the US economy would also hurt the US oil companies.

    The world has changed. Many of the major oil companies are international companies. Just recently, China was bidding to buy some of our oil companies. If they eventually succeed, there is nothing to stop them, and other international companies from increasing
    oil profits to the point where it would destroy the US economy.

    A free market in this case could be the downfall of the US. I'm basically for a free market, but when it comes to water and oil, I believe some regulation is in the best national interest.

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    I love seeing that line at the Arco stretching out almost onto the freeway, and people are afraid to fill up gasoline with the tank on the opposite side there for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Shorts
    Generally speaking, you're correct about supply and demand. Unfortunately, when it comes to things that are basic necessities, then the issue gets a bit clouded.

    Take water, for instance. Should water companies be allowed to charge whatever they want for water? People need water to survive.

    Now take oil. Oil has become a necessity in our society. our entire economy is based on it for transportation, manufacturing, heating. It affects every aspect of our lives. If supply and demand are the only driver for oil prices, were letting ourselves in for a lot of trouble.

    In the past, most of the oil companies that provided oil and gas to the US were US owned. So even though they were not regulated, it was in their best interests to keep oil prices reasonable. Destroying the US economy would also hurt the US oil companies.

    The world has changed. Many of the major oil companies are international companies. Just recently, China was bidding to buy some of our oil companies. If they eventually succeed, there is nothing to stop them, and other international companies from increasing
    oil profits to the point where it would destroy the US economy.

    A free market in this case could be the downfall of the US. I'm basically for a free market, but when it comes to water and oil, I believe some regulation is in the best national interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Shorts
    Generally speaking, you're correct about supply and demand. Unfortunately, when it comes to things that are basic necessities, then the issue gets a bit clouded.

    Take water, for instance. Should water companies be allowed to charge whatever they want for water? People need water to survive.

    Now take oil. Oil has become a necessity in our society. our entire economy is based on it for transportation, manufacturing, heating. It affects every aspect of our lives. If supply and demand are the only driver for oil prices, were letting ourselves in for a lot of trouble.

    In the past, most of the oil companies that provided oil and gas to the US were US owned. So even though they were not regulated, it was in their best interests to keep oil prices reasonable. Destroying the US economy would also hurt the US oil companies.

    The world has changed. Many of the major oil companies are international companies. Just recently, China was bidding to buy some of our oil companies. If they eventually succeed, there is nothing to stop them, and other international companies from increasing
    oil profits to the point where it would destroy the US economy.

    A free market in this case could be the downfall of the US. I'm basically for a free market, but when it comes to water and oil, I believe some regulation is in the best national interest.
    You heard it here first...Blue Shorts proving that oil and water do indeed mix. Actually water is needed for survival, oil isn't, so that may be a bit of a stretch but I get your point.

    I completely agree that the government needs to be involved at some level. I was playing devils advocate with my supply and demand example. The past has clearly demonstrated that letting big businesses do whatever they want can be is a mistake. They have the potential to wreak havoc on our water supply, land and air quality unless, again citizens take a stand against how their surroundings are getting screw and society has to pay the debt.

    Oil in our society has become somewhat like heroin to an addict. We need our next fix and can't live without it. There are some alternatives to oil in certain areas of the infrastructure, unfortunately major transportation isn't one of them at this time. That's where we, as consumers get stuck with the (first cost) bill at the pump.

    If we produced our own energy (as citizens and a country) *and* improve efficiency as well as learn to conserve more (and consume less) that would go a long way towards resolving many of the issues that we're dealing with now and will have to deal with as a consequence the future.

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    Filled up today

    It was $2.49 for drizzle, and I filled the whole tank for under $75. Good times!

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    And also

    Quote Originally Posted by baycat
    I love seeing that line at the Arco stretching out almost onto the freeway, and people are afraid to fill up gasoline with the tank on the opposite side there for some reason.
    Yeah, I only go to that station at night if I'm driving home from the City. The other cheapie is the Arco on Second and D in San Rafael ($2.05, today)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FixThatBike
    TDI Jetta running B20 (20% biodiesel, 80% regular diesel). Great car, I'd recommend to anybody. The only difference I've noticed when adding the biod is a little less diesel odor. Mainly doing it for the environmental/political benefits. As the price gap widens it's becoming harder to make the trip to the oasis ( http://www.biofueloasis.com/ ), but I figure every little bit helps.
    Hey! A fellow Jetta TDI owner! Are you active in the TDI Club locally? If so then you probably know me. Mines is a Mk III Jetta TDI, green, chipped, with PP764s.

    Yes, diesel prices are outrageous but winterized diesel is blended with kerosene to reduce the gelling temperature. They raise the price of diesel every fall/winter because the demand for home heating goes up in the NorthEast with the cold weather. Home heating oil is basically diesel sold without road usage taxes.

    I liked it better when diesel was cheaper than regular unleaded. Greedy bastards!

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    You think Gasoline is high

    Price per gallon

    >>You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive?
    >>This makes one think, and puts things in perspective.
    >>Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 ......... $10.32 per gallon
    >>Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19 ....... $ 9.52 per gallon
    >>Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 ............... $10.17 per gallon
    >>Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 ......... $10 .00 per gallon
    >>Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 ............ $33.60 per gallon
    >>Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35 ............ $178.13 per gallon
    >>Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 ........... $123.20 per gallon
    >>Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 ................... $25.42 per gallon
    >>Scope 1.5 oz $0.99 ..................... $84.48 per gallon
    >>and this is the REAL KICKER......
    >>Evian water 9 oz for $1.49 ........ $21.19 per gallon.
    >>$21.19 FOR WATER! ....and the buyers don't even know the source.
    >>So, the next time you're at the pump, be glad your car doesn't run
    >>on water, Scope, or Whiteout, or Heaven
    >>forbid, PEPTO BISMOL or NYQUIL!!!!
    >>Just a little humor to help ease the pain of your next trip to the
    >>pump...........!


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    Good job!

    what about the station wagon with the glass pack? Soccer-mom wagons rule!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Amen.

    I drive two environment killing, poor gas mileage getting, old American vehicles.

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