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    Bags of dog sh!t

    When I was out for a trail run yesterday, I came across multiple bags of dog sh!t just laying in the trail, at the trail head, on the side of the trail...WTF? Is this the norm everywhere? Do dog owners not give a sh!t? Let’s here from some dog owners on here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    When I was out for a trail run yesterday, I came across multiple bags of dog sh!t just laying in the trail, at the trail head, on the side of the trail...WTF? Is this the norm everywhere? Do dog owners not give a sh!t? Let’s here from some dog owners on here...
    Of course all those dog owners give a shit
    and you just found the shit they gave last week

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    They all have the same lame excuse if you confront them on it.............."I'm going to pick it up on the way out." They never do.

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    It's been the same down here on the Central Coast and getting worse. It's come up on social media locally and the apologists all say the same thing in defense, "they probably just didn't want to carry it and planned to come back and pick it up." Which in the case of most of my local network of trails where we see this most is total bullshit because the trail is a loop. It's perfectly clear to me that these lazy pieces of shit don't care about being stewards of the trails they use. It's just a convenient place to let there dog's shit and they can look responsible when someone's around to see it and when there isn't, bags of shit go to the edge of the trail and they keep on trucking.

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    From emjayel in another thread in this forum, literally earlier this very day:

    "Why are we concerning ourselves with the actions of other users? How does it relate to OUR actions?

    OH...turns out it's a normal psychological phenomenon to do so: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...nting-back-you

    Yes, hikers can be inconsiderate. Yes, some wear headphones and don't hear us coming. Yes, they sometimes walk 5 abreast. Yes, a few scowl and don't always say 'hi'. Yes, dogs are often off-leash. Yes, owners don't always pick up the poop."

    I do a lot of out and back walks with my dog. The trash cans are always only at the trailhead. If you walk a few minutes and the dog poops, you can backtrack, which is difficult with an excited dog, or bag it, stash it and pick it up on your way out, or carry it around for 20 minutes, or an hour, or what have you.

    Walking the same trails several times a day, you can see that most people who employ this practice do pick it up on the way out. In the dog walking community itself, there are even self-appointed "poop fairies" who will pick up bags that aren't their own. I'll pick bags up if I think they've been forgotten, and will pick up stray poops if I've got a bag handy. That seems to be more productive than just getting mad at those people and telling the internet about it, although I do get cranky about it sometimes.

    Any large user group is going to have a small contingent that just doesn't get it. Blaming the whole group for them doesn't help.

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    It happens in other states too. Basically, it happens everywhere where the regulations require picking up poop. People want to follow the rules, but don't want to backtrack to the only trash cans, which are typically only at the trailhead, and don't want to carry poop for 90% of their loop or out/back.

    This is a more recent thing though. I remember when MidPen in the '90s and earlier requested that you only kick or push with a stick the poop off the trail, at least in areas away from trailheads. It was much nicer for everyone that way. I never saw bags of poop on the ground before maybe 15 years ago or so.

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    i swear my dog waits till we're 1/4 mile past the last trash can to poop every time. And if I only brought two bags she'll find a way to squeeze out a third poop along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somanygoodbikes View Post
    From emjayel in another thread in this forum, literally earlier this very day:

    "Why are we concerning ourselves with the actions of other users? How does it relate to OUR actions?

    OH...turns out it's a normal psychological phenomenon to do so: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...nting-back-you

    Yes, hikers can be inconsiderate. Yes, some wear headphones and don't hear us coming. Yes, they sometimes walk 5 abreast. Yes, a few scowl and don't always say 'hi'. Yes, dogs are often off-leash. Yes, owners don't always pick up the poop."

    I do a lot of out and back walks with my dog. The trash cans are always only at the trailhead. If you walk a few minutes and the dog poops, you can backtrack, which is difficult with an excited dog, or bag it, stash it and pick it up on your way out, or carry it around for 20 minutes, or an hour, or what have you.

    Walking the same trails several times a day, you can see that most people who employ this practice do pick it up on the way out. In the dog walking community itself, there are even self-appointed "poop fairies" who will pick up bags that aren't their own. I'll pick bags up if I think they've been forgotten, and will pick up stray poops if I've got a bag handy. That seems to be more productive than just getting mad at those people and telling the internet about it, although I do get cranky about it sometimes.

    Any large user group is going to have a small contingent that just doesn't get it. Blaming the whole group for them doesn't help.
    I totally disagree with that premise. It's obvious that as soon as someone separates from that dog shit, it's real easy to disassociate from it even IF they pass it again. It seems to be human nature with dog walkers. If they aren't seen as the one leaving it, they'll bail out and pretend it didn't happen. When called on it, it's always "OHHH, I didn't realize Muffy was droppin' a deuce while we were walking!"

    The trails I ride, I ride multiple times per week and launch from the same spot. Day in, day out, I see the same bags laying there in the same spot as yesterday or the day before that. What's sad to me is I ran across a docent from our our City Open Space volunteer group. She's a really neat old woman in her early 90's! I stopped and chatted her up one day not long ago as she was carrying a BIG BAG FULL OF SHIT. She's one of the jewels in the system you'd likely read about in the community section of the newspaper. Been volunteering for something over 30 years. SHE'S the one that's picking up all the shit! A 90 something y/o lady walking a 3.6 mile loop system collecting dog shit, not because she enjoys THIS aspect of her volunteerism but because NO ONE ELSE IS DOING IT!

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    I'm told rubbing their noses in it usually causes the behavior to cease.

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    the thought crossed my mind yesterday. i was jogging and halfway thru, my dog came to a screeching halt and dropped a deuce. i picked it up and tied the knot. that damn bag was super annoying jostling around against my balled up fist.it felt like a soft warm sand bag tapping against me...i thought of setting it down and grabbing it on the way back..but it felt WRONG...so i tied it to my dogs collar. fuk..it's his!!

    i got rid of it at the first can i saw...

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    Fremont Older, horse poop on the ground and bagged doggie poo here and there. I try to not let it bother me but sigh.
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    Fremont Older is bad, but they do not have any trash cans anywhere there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Fremont Older, horse poop on the ground and bagged doggie poo here and there. I try to not let it bother me but sigh.
    This is probably a really dumb question, but why do they allow horse poop to flow freely without cleanup while not allowing the same for dog poop? Is it less toxic or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by infotekt View Post
    i swear my dog waits till we're 1/4 mile past the last trash can to poop every time. And if I only brought two bags she'll find a way to squeeze out a third poop along the way.
    My dog is exactly the same, and has trained me to employ the n+1 method for bags where n is the maximum number of poops he's ever taken in a single walk.

    I now carry four bags on every walk

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    I see it on the trails around me, didn't use to. Let's face it, even away from the trails, taking the dog for a walk is basically taking the dog to crap in someone's else yard so they don't have to deal with it. If they don't want to deal with it, they shouldn't have a dog.

    Horses are vegetarians, dogs are omnivores. So, just like you can use vegetarian animals' crap as fertilizer but not meat eaters, I believe meat eater's crap can spread disease.

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    Sure is an inordinate amount of time arguing/discussing dog shit and who does or doesn't pick it up. This is like the 5th thread on the subject I've read through (why I have no idea).
    Go ride. Or do something else. If some gets on your tire. Wash it off. It probably fell/flung off if you ride fast enough.
    Now that rainy season is here, maybe you can get that 90 yo lady to shovel up the 1000+ lbs of green mousse cow shit my dog loves to eat and roll around in on our rides.
    That is a problem of real magnitude(to me anyway) but I realize it is part of the deal where I ride. So I don't bitch to anyone except my wife about it. Until now.

    I do laugh at these threads though when my dog drops a 1oz turd next to a 5 lb pile of bovine shit and listen to the brainwashed on these threads discuss how toxic my dogs shit is and the bovine's may be somehow, a better brand of shit than my dog's. Hilarious.

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    a dog's shit will kill your lawn. a cows shit..wont. you can burn a cow patty for a decent fire. it's fairly grassy anyways..
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    As a dog owner of 10 years with two great trail dogs, I don't understand people leaving bags. PLAN TO CARRY YOUR DOG'S SH!T. Period. I picked up three bags Sunday morning on the shore line of Folsom Lake, plus the three piles my dogs dropped. It's a simple thing, and it pains me, wait, let's try that again, it PISSES me off that other owners leave piles or full bags just on the ground. Yeah, it's stinky, so what? That's what you signed up for when you took the dog into your life. I use a storage keg from Spec to hold the full bags, keeps the smell contained and easy to carry on the bike.

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    At least the doggie people bag it, instead of leaving a steaming pile right in the middle of the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chasejj View Post
    Sure is an inordinate amount of time arguing/discussing dog shit and who does or doesn't pick it up. This is like the 5th thread on the subject I've read through (why I have no idea).
    Go ride. Or do something else. If some gets on your tire. Wash it off. It probably fell/flung off if you ride fast enough.
    Now that rainy season is here, maybe you can get that 90 yo lady to shovel up the 1000+ lbs of green mousse cow shit my dog loves to eat and roll around in on our rides.
    That is a problem of real magnitude(to me anyway) but I realize it is part of the deal where I ride. So I don't bitch to anyone except my wife about it. Until now.

    I do laugh at these threads though when my dog drops a 1oz turd next to a 5 lb pile of bovine shit and listen to the brainwashed on these threads discuss how toxic my dogs shit is and the bovine's may be somehow, a better brand of shit than my dog's. Hilarious.
    Or in other words, you don't clean up after your pet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent_G View Post
    As a dog owner of 10 years with two great trail dogs, I don't understand people leaving bags. PLAN TO CARRY YOUR DOG'S SH!T. Period. I picked up three bags Sunday morning on the shore line of Folsom Lake, plus the three piles my dogs dropped. It's a simple thing, and it pains me, wait, let's try that again, it PISSES me off that other owners leave piles or full bags just on the ground. Yeah, it's stinky, so what? That's what you signed up for when you took the dog into your life. I use a storage keg from Spec to hold the full bags, keeps the smell contained and easy to carry on the bike.
    Two trail dogs and you always pick up their shit? Im guessing you also have them on leash when riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent_G View Post
    I use a storage keg from Spec to hold the full bags, keeps the smell contained and easy to carry on the bike.
    OMG! I just had an epiphony. Special containers for dog shit that will fit in my Spec SWAT box!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasejj View Post
    I do laugh at these threads though when my dog drops a 1oz turd next to a 5 lb pile of bovine shit and listen to the brainwashed on these threads discuss how toxic my dogs shit is and the bovine's may be somehow, a better brand of shit than my dog's. Hilarious.
    I don't know man. I honestly had no idea before I read chazpat's response but it's not looking good for dog poop.

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    I think it's a good idea to collect all the bagged dog poop, put them right at the parking lot or hang em from a tree with a big sign.

    "listen douchebags, you're not done when you bag yo poop. Take em with you."Bags of dog sh!t-_68159738_bc_10_todmorden.jpg
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    -The solution is pretty simple. . . . . .

    Tie the used & spare empty bags to the leash!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post

    "listen douchebags, you're not done when you bag yo poop. Take em with you."Click image for larger version. 

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    I like the idea, fc!

    Quote Originally Posted by DMFT View Post
    -The solution is pretty simple. . . . . .

    Tie the used & spare empty bags to the leash!!
    I've seen a little plastic device that did just that. It allowed for a full bag to be suspended mid-span on a dog's leash so it wasn't being hand carried. I'm going to try and find it, now. It was just this simple little extrusion as I recall. If they are pennies to make like so many things of the sort, a trail organization could push for it and make them available at the trailhead. Another positive solution for the trail users and another feather in our cap as trail stewards like our local bell program.

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    Live in less population dense area, and blame it on the coyotes.

    Haha I'm kidding, although I don't pick up my dog's poop from my local trails, not enough population to worry about it, I do when we are in a more densely populated area. He is also great about moving a couple feet off the trail to poop so it's never actually on the trail.


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    What I really don't get is why people bag it and leave it there. If you want to leave it there, just throw it off the trail (not condoning this of course). It's poo, it will decompose. Don't put it in a plastic bag so it'll sit around for years.

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    Kick it off to the side with a stick, shoe etc. Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbrdan View Post
    Kick it off to the side with a stick, shoe etc. Problem solved.
    You seem to be missing the point Dan...why do I need to deal with some irresponsible dog owner, who doesn’t clean up after their dog? This is why it smells like dog shit at trail heads...

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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    You seem to be missing the point Dan...why do I need to deal with some irresponsible dog owner, who doesn’t clean up after their dog? This is why it smells like dog shit at trail heads...
    Agreed griz. Subscribed.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trespinero View Post
    Nice on the Jim Lahey reference, that's exactly what I was thinking:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R8At-Qno_o
    Who is Jim Lahey? I watched some of the video but, it was pretty hard to watch

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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    Who is Jim Lahey? I watched some of the video but, it was pretty hard to watch
    Trailer Park Boys, or TPB. Drunk, high, not-very-smart folks in a comedy from a trailer park somewhere in Newfoundland, Canada. It's f***ing hilarious.

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    One solution would be to make the bags of a biodegradable plastic that degrades quickly. Then if they get left on the side of the trail at least they will won't remain a problem very long, at least as long as the poop biodegrades first

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForbiddenBeat View Post
    What I really don't get is why people bag it and leave it there. If you want to leave it there, just throw it off the trail (not condoning this of course). It's poo, it will decompose. Don't put it in a plastic bag so it'll sit around for years.
    They probably bag it if they see someone watching their dog poop.


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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    Who is Jim Lahey? I watched some of the video but, it was pretty hard to watch
    As explained below your post. You really gotta watch the series. It's helpful if you catch it from it's beginnings which is easy if you do Netflix. It really is pretty hilarious and easy to do a marathon and watch a season before you know it. Lahey is well known for his eloquent "shitisms". The actor that played Lahey's part just died last week. It seemed like the right thread to include a solid shitism even though I'm passionate about the dog shit issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForbiddenBeat View Post
    What I really don't get is why people bag it and leave it there. If you want to leave it there, just throw it off the trail (not condoning this of course). It's poo, it will decompose. Don't put it in a plastic bag so it'll sit around for years.
    Most likely the dog owners who bag the poop and leave it there will pick it up on the way back. The reason being is that the bags that are made for dog poop still lets the smell of the poop out. So, you are smelling the poop the whole time while hiking.

    The best way is to double bag it with a ziplock bag and the smell is more manageable and you carry it with you. Hopefully they are at least respectful enough to leave the bags to the side where people or bikes cannot step or run it over when they go to pick it up later.

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    They’re better off throwing said bags of sh¡t off the trail out of sight. I wish horse riders would do something with their piles of sh¡t as well, but that’s asking a lot of otherwise entitled rich white people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    You seem to be missing the point Dan...why do I need to deal with some irresponsible dog owner, who doesn’t clean up after their dog? This is why it smells like dog shit at trail heads...
    No, the owner of the dog should do the kicking, I spear my grandogs with a stick and fling it far out into the brush. Either that or bag it and take it with you.
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    If your dog shits on a hike, and you're not going to take it out, why put it in a bag? Seems like it'd be better just to fling it into the woods with a stick...

    My dog loves to shit in the woods. But he usually goes off trail about 10 feet or so to do it. I figure it will decompose and help feed nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthSideOf50 View Post
    One solution would be to make the bags of a biodegradable plastic that degrades quickly. Then if they get left on the side of the trail at least they will won't remain a problem very long, at least as long as the poop biodegrades first
    I think most of the dog poo bags these days are biodegradable. The ones I have that come in a little roll are, and so are the bags from the bag dispensers in the parks here. Though if people are bagging dog turds in grocery bags then they obviously won't biodegrade.
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    Im a dog owner and this leaving bags of shit next to the trail really pisses me off. Happens all the time out at Dillon beach where I take the dog also. While most (but not all) bags do get picked up, I still dont want to be looking at plastic bags of shit when Im trying to enjoy nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
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    I like the idea, fc!



    I've seen a little plastic device that did just that. It allowed for a full bag to be suspended mid-span on a dog's leash so it wasn't being hand carried. I'm going to try and find it, now. It was just this simple little extrusion as I recall. If they are pennies to make like so many things of the sort, a trail organization could push for it and make them available at the trailhead. Another positive solution for the trail users and another feather in our cap as trail stewards like our local bell program.
    If I feed my dog only horse meat, can I let him shit on the trail?

    I have a bag from a place called Hanks, it is nylon or something that the shit bag goes in and is pretty good about hiding the smell. clips to a leash or my bike if I am riding. I usually throw some dirt in it too, seems to help.

    I hate those bags on the trail and will pick them up sometimes or bag shits and take them out. I figure there is no way I have caught every shit my dog takes on the trail so I will pick up what I can.
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    We MB riders may want to bag our trails inspired sht,or just leave steamin coilers randomly along any-all trails,cause the folks that dodo(tic) here in SF Bay region sure have their sht together politically:
    https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/10/20...g-regulations/
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    After a 14-year planning process, the National Park Service (NPS) has announced that it won’t be implementing new restrictions on dogs visiting the Golden Gate National Recreation Area.

    The decision, announced yesterday, came after years of debate, outcry from the public and a release of emails, referred to as WoofieLeaks.

    The saga began in 2002, when the GGNRA began enforcing nationwide National Park Service regulations for pets, but a federal court found that the park did not follow the correct rule-making protocols. Since then, the NPS has been working on the Dog Management Plan environmental review.

    The doggy debate raged as the NPS came closer to a decision. The NPS argued that the GGNRA was already the most dog-friendly of the national parks, but opponents of the new regulations argued that the park itself was meant to be urban, and therefore not governed under the same rules as other parks.

    The GGNRA’s proposal would have required dogs to be leashed in areas where they once ran free and would ban them entirely from other areas. One of the NPS arguments for the regulations was the protection of the snowy plover, a threatened bird species found in the park.

    After public hearings for the first draft, released in 2011, a second draft came out in 2013. In 2016, an environmental impact report was released ahead of a final decision that would have reduced the number of places dogs can run without a leash. The final decision was expected in early 2017. It didn’t come.

    In January, the NPS announced it would be suspending the Dog Management Plan as an investigation into personal emails was carried out. A Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request related to the park’s Dog Management Plan was filed. The result was 137 pages of emails that had to be released.

    In yesterday’s announcement, an independent review team concluded “the use of personal email by NPS employees to conduct official business was inappropriate, but the emails the team reviewed ultimately did not influence the outcome of the planning and rulemaking process.”

    As for the dog regulations, the release said “it is no longer appropriate to proceed with the rulemaking process.” The National Park Service will now be enforcing the existing dog regulations from 1979.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpdemello View Post
    If your dog shits on a hike, and you're not going to take it out, why put it in a bag? Seems like it'd be better just to fling it into the woods with a stick...

    My dog loves to shit in the woods. But he usually goes off trail about 10 feet or so to do it. I figure it will decompose and help feed nature.
    I'm of the same mind-set, my pooch also goes far off the trail, if she doesn't I take a couple sticks pick it up al la chopsticks and fling it into woods/poison oak. I also do this with other poopers I encounter on the trail. Typically dog scat will degrade in 2-3 weeks depending on climate, most bags will take 100's if not 1,000's of years to degrade....I'm an environmental engineer and find the bags to be the larger problem as generations will encounter them in the future, like those mylar balloons you sometimes find deep in the woods....cheers and poop on, oh and when you take a deuce (mostly runners) in the woods, do you bag it and carry it?

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    All too common here in Prescott AZ, as well, and seems to be getting worse. A significant % do not pick it up on the way back as I have seen the same bags a couple of days in a row. Keep waiting to catch the poop perps in the act so I can shame them a little bit, but hasn't happened yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veloborealis View Post
    All too common here in Prescott AZ, as well, and seems to be getting worse. A significant % do not pick it up on the way back as I have seen the same bags a couple of days in a row. Keep waiting to catch the poop perps in the act so I can shame them a little bit, but hasn't happened yet.
    Be prepared for the response "I'll pick it up on my way back out". Not sure what we can do about that. I've just caught one lady and that was her response. I tried to keep it polite and friending, telling her that there wasn't someone to clean up the trails (though I guess unofficially there is). I wonder if no one picked up the bags, if they would just continue to do it or finally get disgusted and stop going there once they really started to pile up; not that I am suggesting that should be tried. The sad thing is, they know that there are people who will reluctantly clean up their mess and they take advantage of them.
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    Some more trail trash from fido’s lazy owner...
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    YOUR dog taking a shit aside a trail isn't the issue, it's EVERYONES dog taking that shit and overwhelming the environment that is the reason for pushing the use of bags, which should end up in garbage cans, and from there local dumps, where no one cares if it takes 100 or 1000 years for a bag to breakdown, as it eventually gets covered with dirt and grass and becomes a park after methane production has abated.

    Being ok with leaving dog shit every time isn't the mindset any of us dog owners should take. Occasionally being a bag short, no problem. Flicking every dropping it into the brush? Not cool at all. The environment can handle the feces of a pack of dogs across their range, not 20-30 dogs taking a crap or three within the span of a trail every single day.

    Yeah, picking it up is a pain in the ass, but think about how pissed you'd get if a neighbor let their dog shit in your yard and didn't pick it up. I consider my local trails the same as my yard, and treat them as such.

    While some dog owners may walk their dogs just so they won't crap in their yard, the vast majority walk their dogs because they are massive, never-ending bundles of energy. Sitting around all day while we are away at work is not how they are built. My 1yo terrier gets walked five times a day (@45min avg), runs up to five miles via bike, gets between one and two hours of fetch and tug-o-war, and gets 2-3 hours in the yard where he will chase every yard/sky rat he spies. It's not enough. He could replace a switchyard engine if I trusted him to not eat the rail cars.

    Before we were gifted Caesar, I, too, thought dog owners were lazy pieces of shit. Now I realize they were unprepared for the insanity that is being an owner of an energetic dog. Some give up, but most try to handle these little monsters of instantaneous foul shit at the most inopportune times without impacting their neighbors/community.

    Dogs can indeed shit without being noticed. I've found my little monster can drop a poo-pouri in less than three seconds, which is the time it takes me to walk out the leash at a quick pace. He will sneak up right behind me, do his thing, and get back in motion right before the leash runs out. As I've properly trained him to remain beside and behind me, this rather sucks, as I have to either eyeball him constantly or retrace my path during each walk and watch for his little gifts. Due to this, I try to spend enough time at the trailhead to get him to do his thing before hitting the trail, but it does not seem to have a significant impact. He can generate dogo waste on demand, any time, any place. Took a dump right before jumping in the car? He'll do it three times while at the trail, and again when we get home. And again 20 minutes later. And again when something scares the shit out of him. Yes, literally.
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    ^ lol, what are you feeding that thing?
    Sounds like he's feeding it meth and bran muffins!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingtaco View Post

    Dogs can indeed shit without being noticed. I've found my little monster can drop a poo-pouri in less than three seconds, which is the time it takes me to walk out the leash at a quick pace. He will sneak up right behind me, do his thing, and get back in motion right before the leash runs out. As I've properly trained him to remain beside and behind me, this rather sucks, as I have to either eyeball him constantly or retrace my path during each walk and watch for his little gifts. Due to this, I try to spend enough time at the trailhead to get him to do his thing before hitting the trail, but it does not seem to have a significant impact. He can generate dogo waste on demand, any time, any place. Took a dump right before jumping in the car? He'll do it three times while at the trail, and again when we get home. And again 20 minutes later. And again when something scares the shit out of him. Yes, literally.
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    This little monster has taught himself to go one further than suddenly squatting and finishing his business before the leash runs out: he simply doesn't stop moving...he shits as he runs!

    He hates to slow down when out on a fast walk or run...and he hates how my wife turns back to home the minute he takes a dump when out with her. The calculating little bastard he is he determined how to crap without breaking stride....things come out like the munitions from a navy mine-layer! They don't just drop...they sail out...don't know how this dog figured out how to apply pressure to get them to launch, but he is also a dog that very audibly farts...which is pretty hard for a creature without butt-cheeks.

    This nasty habit forces me to keep the situational awareness at an ultra high level, as running right behind him when he does this leads to messy shoes. I have to stop and deploy the crap-bag...he sits there grumbling and complaining that I stopped to do this. I need to get one of those things you put on the leash that holds the baggie so he can have the pleasure of keeping the bag near him and I don't have to hold it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingtaco View Post
    The environment can handle the feces of a pack of dogs across their range, not 20-30 dogs taking a crap or three within the span of a trail every single day.
    So I guess this is my question. You're talking a pack of dogs - how many is that? 20 to 30? How is that different than 20-30 domesticated dogs crapping in a park that is so landlocked by communities that there aren't enough predators around to thin out the deer? (they have to have annual deer hunts because the furry ****ers just keep multiplying).

    Also, regarding dogs being seemingly endless bundles of energy, that doesn't fit my experience or what I've read. I read that dogs in the wild would partake in short, but extreme bursts of energy, and then sleep for long periods, like 16 hours a day. I think most people don't give their dogs the kind of exercise they need. I know with my dog, a walk or even a hike doesn't really tire him much. But take him for a 10 mile bike ride or even a 3 mile jog, and he will sleep on the car ride home and then for 5 hours after he gets home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpdemello View Post
    So I guess this is my question. You're talking a pack of dogs - how many is that? 20 to 30? How is that different than 20-30 domesticated dogs crapping in a park that is so landlocked by communities that there aren't enough predators around to thin out the deer? (they have to have annual deer hunts because the furry ****ers just keep multiplying).
    The same applies for community parks if they're not being cleaned up by dog owners. Perhaps you're not near a water resource but where I'm at on the coast, it's become a regular event to have one or more of our local beaches closed due to detection ad high concentrations of fecal coliform bacteria. Especially early in the rain months which are approaching. All that lovely poo makes its way through the waterways and ultimately to its outfall at or near the beaches. The majority is coming from huge concentrations of Bums and Dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingtaco View Post
    YOUR dog taking a shit aside a trail isn't the issue, it's EVERYONES dog taking that shit and overwhelming the environment that is the reason for pushing the use of bags, which should end up in garbage cans, and from there local dumps, where no one cares if it takes 100 or 1000 years for a bag to breakdown, as it eventually gets covered with dirt and grass and becomes a park after methane production has abated.

    Being ok with leaving dog shit every time isn't the mindset any of us dog owners should take. Occasionally being a bag short, no problem. Flicking every dropping it into the brush? Not cool at all. The environment can handle the feces of a pack of dogs across their range, not 20-30 dogs taking a crap or three within the span of a trail every single day.

    Yeah, picking it up is a pain in the ass, but think about how pissed you'd get if a neighbor let their dog shit in your yard and didn't pick it up. I consider my local trails the same as my yard, and treat them as such.

    While some dog owners may walk their dogs just so they won't crap in their yard, the vast majority walk their dogs because they are massive, never-ending bundles of energy. Sitting around all day while we are away at work is not how they are built. My 1yo terrier gets walked five times a day (@45min avg), runs up to five miles via bike, gets between one and two hours of fetch and tug-o-war, and gets 2-3 hours in the yard where he will chase every yard/sky rat he spies. It's not enough. He could replace a switchyard engine if I trusted him to not eat the rail cars.

    Before we were gifted Caesar, I, too, thought dog owners were lazy pieces of shit. Now I realize they were unprepared for the insanity that is being an owner of an energetic dog. Some give up, but most try to handle these little monsters of instantaneous foul shit at the most inopportune times without impacting their neighbors/community.

    Dogs can indeed shit without being noticed. I've found my little monster can drop a poo-pouri in less than three seconds, which is the time it takes me to walk out the leash at a quick pace. He will sneak up right behind me, do his thing, and get back in motion right before the leash runs out. As I've properly trained him to remain beside and behind me, this rather sucks, as I have to either eyeball him constantly or retrace my path during each walk and watch for his little gifts. Due to this, I try to spend enough time at the trailhead to get him to do his thing before hitting the trail, but it does not seem to have a significant impact. He can generate dogo waste on demand, any time, any place. Took a dump right before jumping in the car? He'll do it three times while at the trail, and again when we get home. And again 20 minutes later. And again when something scares the shit out of him. Yes, literally.
    Back on topic...the issue is with the owners taking the time to bag their dogs sh!t, and then throw it in the trail and leave it. Just pick it up, it’s “your” dog...don’t even get me started on kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpdemello View Post
    So I guess this is my question. You're talking a pack of dogs - how many is that? 20 to 30? How is that different than 20-30 domesticated dogs crapping in a park that is so landlocked by communities that there aren't enough predators around to thin out the deer? (they have to have annual deer hunts because the furry ****ers just keep multiplying).

    Also, regarding dogs being seemingly endless bundles of energy, that doesn't fit my experience or what I've read. I read that dogs in the wild would partake in short, but extreme bursts of energy, and then sleep for long periods, like 16 hours a day. I think most people don't give their dogs the kind of exercise they need. I know with my dog, a walk or even a hike doesn't really tire him much. But take him for a 10 mile bike ride or even a 3 mile jog, and he will sleep on the car ride home and then for 5 hours after he gets home.
    20-30 dogs is a ****ing nightmare, not a pack!

    Feral dog packs are what are commonly seen near high density populations, but these small packs (typically 3-7) are not a good comparison for an animal that maintains a balance with the environment, as they are not truly wild and depend upon humans for food sources, and therefore claim greatly reduced territories near populated areas. Feral dog packs are also known to be destroyers of their environment, and personal property.

    Truly wild dog packs average larger numbers (up to 20ish) and claim a much larger territory, magnitudes of order larger, as in hundreds, to as much as a thousand square miles.

    A wild dog pack of 20 with a territory of one hundred square miles is 1/5sqmi, or 1/139,392,000sqft.
    20 domesticated dogs shitting twenty feet either side of a two mile trail is 1/422,400sqft.

    That's an area 322 times greater for wild dogs vs trail runners, and only if the pack claims a very small territory.

    You are correct that dogs in the wild expend short bursts of energy and sleep a lot, but those burst of energy are tremendous (and often much greater than we can permit). Ex. Most of us don't have the space to let a dog go full sprint for a thousand feet. Many medium breeds can hit 25-30mph and hold it for 15-20 seconds, and can repeat this 1-3 times in a short session.

    Some dogs are not as energetic as your experience has taught you, the level of energy does vary by breed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForbiddenBeat View Post
    What I really don't get is why people bag it and leave it there. If you want to leave it there, just throw it off the trail (not condoning this of course). It's poo, it will decompose. Don't put it in a plastic bag so it'll sit around for years.
    If you are buying the bags designed for dog poop, or using the ones provided at some trail heads, they are designed to decompose and will disintegrate. Try taking one of those bags and keeping it in the sun in your back yard for a few weeks filled with some rocks. They totally decompose.

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    They all have the same lame excuse if you confront them on it.............."I'm going to pick it up on the way out." They never do.
    I always do, but I also recognize some users do not.

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    Most likely the dog owners who bag the poop and leave it there will pick it up on the way back. The reason being is that the bags that are made for dog poop still lets the smell of the poop out. So, you are smelling the poop the whole time while hiking.

    The best way is to double bag it with a ziplock bag and the smell is more manageable and you carry it with you. Hopefully they are at least respectful enough to leave the bags to the side where people or bikes cannot step or run it over when they go to pick it up later.
    If we are not doing an out and back we always double bag and stick it somewhere. I only leave on the side of the trail for an out and back when I know for certain I will be passing it up again. I try to hide it actually so other users are not offended by it and always make sure I grab it.

    I would imagine most who comment on this site are generally good trail stewards and do the same. Complaining about it here is not getting the message across to the worst offenders.
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    wouldn’t it be a lot easier to just pick the poop up with a bag and throw just the poop into the bushes or something? i know its not a great solution but it decomposes and i do this all the time at home. that way, hikers dont have to carry the poop, and no one else has to deal with it. it’s ridiculous that its gotten to this point....

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    I used to ride Jones Trail in LG once, and sometimes twice, each day. I would see the same bags sitting on the side of the trail for days on end so I knew the owners of said poop had left them and were not returning for them. It was almost comical to see where some of the poop owners would hide the bagged poop. Inside tree stumps, hung from the cyclone fence, tied up in the tree, sitting on a fence post, under rocks, etc, etc. It was like an Easter egg hunt.

    About once per week I would stop at each and every poop bag and toss them dead-center in the middle of the trail hoping it would shame dog dog owners into cleaning up after their combined community mess. There would be a bag or two every twenty feet for the first climb from the gate at College Ave.

    Yeah....I was not pitching in and solving the problem; however, by the time I was coming back down most of the bags were gone so something was working.

    If anyone is wondering I have a 96lb dog that takes huge craps. When I am out with her I bag, and carry off, every crap even if she craps right at the beginning of our walk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spec306 View Post
    About once per week I would stop at each and every poop bag and toss them dead-center in the middle of the trail hoping it would shame dog dog owners into cleaning up after their combined community mess. There would be a bag or two every twenty feet for the first climb from the gate at College Ave.
    Where I ride people used to just not bother bagging poop and would either have their dog poop near the edge of the trail or kick it into the brush along the edge.

    One day someone had enough and went out with a rack and racked all the poop into the middle of the trail. It was disgusting, old dried turds everywhere. I was personally shocked at just how much had been in the bushes.

    don't seem to have that issue anymore, I think enough of the trail users saw it and the offenders must have gotten the point.
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    I am a total dog person and I have had many dogs. What is also annoying as well, is when dog owners that don't leash their dogs. I just rode Waterdog and passed 8 dogs that were off-leash. Only 2 dogs were on a leash with owners controlling them. 3 of the dogs running off-leash were with mtb-ers. Seems like the norm when I ride in the Bay Area. Most people have their dogs off leash. My guess is when I ride, about 70% are off-leash and only 30% on-leash. Leashes protect the dog as much as other people.

    If the area was rural with not a lot people then I get letting your dog off leash but it is a trail systems in the middle of the city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aliikane View Post
    I am a total dog person and I have had many dogs. What is also annoying as well, is when dog owners that don't leash their dogs. I just rode Waterdog and passed 8 dogs that were off-leash. Only 2 dogs were on a leash with owners controlling them. 3 of the dogs running off-leash were with mtb-ers. Seems like the norm when I ride in the Bay Area. Most people have their dogs off leash. My guess is when I ride, about 70% are off-leash and only 30% on-leash. Leashes protect the dog as much as other people.

    If the area was rural with not a lot people then I get letting your dog off leash but it is a trail systems in the middle of the city.
    You dont slow down when passing a hiker? you especially dont slow down when passing a hiker with a leashed dog?

    How is it more dangerous for you, or the dog if the dog is offleash? There is no damn leash to clothesline your bike now. Or are you expecting all hikers and dog walkers to step off the trail to let you by? Cause strava and stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Californiagrown View Post
    You dont slow down when passing a hiker? you especially dont slow down when passing a hiker with a leashed dog?

    How is it more dangerous for you, or the dog if the dog is offleash? There is no damn leash to clothesline your bike now. Or are you expecting all hikers and dog walkers to step off the trail to let you by? Cause strava and stuff.
    Ever been bitten by an unleashed pitbull that did not respond to the owners verbal commands until the owner finally ran over to you to pull the dog off? Quit projecting. People who aren't in control of their dogs in public can lead to dangerous situations.

    Also before you victim blame, this has happened to me and I was bitten unprovoked and nowhere near the animal or it's owner. That is until the dog decided to come after me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Mackenzie View Post
    Ever been bitten by an unleashed pitbull that did not respond to the owners verbal commands until the owner finally ran over to you to pull the dog off? Quit projecting. People who aren't in control of their dogs I public can lead to dangerous situations.

    Also before you victim blame, this has happened to me and I was bitten unprovoked and nowhere near the animal or it's owner.
    Nope, thank goodness. And i totally understand the issue if the offleash (or onleash for that matter) dog is a violent dog. If its just a normal dog with a non-vicious temperament i dont really see the issue... riders should be slowly passing other trail user groups anyways.

    You know what youre getting into riding on a nice day at Skeggs or waterdog etc. You arent gonna be able ride more than a minute or two without having to slow to a crawl and pass a hiker/dog/horse/child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Mackenzie View Post
    Ever been bitten by an unleashed pitbull that did not respond to the owners verbal commands until the owner finally ran over to you to pull the dog off? Quit projecting. People who aren't in control of their dogs in public can lead to dangerous situations.

    Also before you victim blame, this has happened to me and I was bitten unprovoked and nowhere near the animal or it's owner. That is until the dog decided to come after me.
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    Leashed dogs generally want to fight each other much more than off-leash dogs. Let's all have a sniff and get on with our travels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    They think her dogs were bred and raised for dog fighting. Sucks that it happened but this should is just more evidence that the underground dog fighting circuit isn't good for anyone.

    I agree with leashing dogs. Bikers getting ticketed for riding, while tons of people walk dogs off leash without a slap on the wrist, is just ridiculous. I got chased by a little terrier a few weeks ago, and while i wasn't really concerned with it biting me, I am afraid that i'm going to run it over and go OTB in the process. Not a good situation for anyone, and 95% of dogs "that are in total voice command" aren't really under voice command, so save it for the dog park. Definitely a scenario where a dog could be killed and seriously injure a rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sosburn View Post
    Definitely a scenario where a dog could be killed and seriously injure a rider.
    How? Are you just blasting by dogs praying they are bike trained? Ever thought about just stopping or slowing to a crawl and waiting for the owner to come grab the dog, kinda like how you would if some young kids were running around on the trails in front of you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Californiagrown View Post
    How? Are you just blasting by dogs praying they are bike trained? Ever thought about just stopping or slowing to a crawl and waiting for the owner to come grab the dog, kinda like how you would if some young kids were running around on the trails in front of you?
    Are you honestly arguing for having dogs off leashes?
    Think about it. A small, 20 pound dog chases a biker, gets caught under a wheel. Im not talking about "blasting by" people walking their dogs, no one would be stupid enough to do that in an area where blasting by anyone will get you a scolding or a ticket. half the time i have walked my bike past some people and their dog, and then hopped back on my bike, the dog begins running after me. Wouldn't happen if the dog was on a leash, which is the law.
    Use common sense before you get on your high horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sosburn View Post
    half the time i have walked my bike past some people and their dog, and then hopped back on my bike, the dog begins running after me. Wouldn't happen if the dog was on a leash, which is the law.
    Use common sense before you get on your high horse.
    I would think common sense would be to slow down to a crawl or stop when the dog starts chasing you so that the owner could grab it? No? You're really that inconvenienced to stop or slow down? Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Californiagrown View Post
    I would think common sense would be to slow down to a crawl or stop when the dog starts chasing you so that the owner could grab it? No? You're really that inconvenienced to stop or slow down? Wow.
    Are you really that dense?
    First of all, when have you ever had an owner with an offleash dog actually be able to catch said dog?
    Secondly, you are missing the point, and frankly I think youre just looking to argue for the sake of it. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about, and it shows with your immature responses. maybe youve been hitting a little too much of that “california grown”....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sosburn View Post
    Are you really that dense?
    First of all, when have you ever had an owner with an offleash dog actually be able to catch said dog?
    Secondly, you are missing the point, and frankly I think youre just looking to argue for the sake of it. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about, and it shows with your immature responses. maybe youve been hitting a little too much of that “california grown”....
    You are aware that dog's ARE allowed off-leash in many bay area parks and trail systems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Californiagrown View Post
    i totally understand the issue if the offleash (or onleash for that matter) dog is a violent dog. If its just a normal dog with a non-vicious temperament i dont really see the issue...
    You can easily tell if it's the first kind of dog when it bites you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Californiagrown View Post
    riders should be slowly passing other trail user groups anyways.
    unless you are being chased by their dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Californiagrown View Post
    You know what youre getting into riding on a nice day at Skeggs or waterdog etc. You arent gonna be able ride more than a minute or two without having to slow to a crawl and pass a hiker/dog/horse/child.
    Dogs are not allowed in Skeggs.

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    When have i seen an owner be able to catch an offleash dog? Everytime. otherwise there would be one helluva lot more strays out there haha. All you have to do is stop, and let the owner come grab the dog. Its less than 10 seconds out of your day. And we both know that a dog who has ZERO verbal recall is the exception... most dogs wont have perfect recall, but the vast majority do once you stop or slow down enough so they dont get to chase anymore. Even so, the dog who doesn't obey verbal commands at all, takes 10 seconds out of your ride. Relax.

    what is the point i am missing? I think you are missing my point that you dont have an exclusive right to use the trail, especially a busy one, and if slowing or stopping for a child or offleash dog is aggravating you this much, maybe you should find some more remote trails to ride.

    Pretty sad another grown ass man (i assume) has to resort to personal insults and accusations of criminal activity when another man disagrees with his opinion. Yeah, im the immature one. ha!

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    I think the problem here is Californiagrown is accusing people of speeding by people with dogs going for Strava-glory and I haven't read a single entry from anyone saying they felt inconvenienced for having to slow down for anyone. Dog or person......

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMFT View Post
    I think the problem here is Californiagrown is accusing people of speeding by people with dogs going for Strava-glory and I haven't read a single entry from anyone saying they felt inconvenienced for having to slow down for anyone. Dog or person......

    -I smell a Troll. Don't feed the Troll's.
    you missed the people saying they are scared of hitting a dog an having a massive OTB crash? Or the people saying they hate dogs offleash because they get in the way?

    I fail to see how you could have a big crash, or be aggravated by dogs if you are already creeping by all other trail users. Please enlighten me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckee29 View Post
    You are aware that dog's ARE allowed off-leash in many bay area parks and trail systems?
    If there are so many of parks that allow this, then why are they always off leash at the ones that do not allow this?
    I don’t have anything against walking your dog off leash if it’s in control, and if it’s legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMFT View Post
    I think the problem here is Californiagrown is accusing people of speeding by people with dogs going for Strava-glory and I haven't read a single entry from anyone saying they felt inconvenienced for having to slow down for anyone. Dog or person......

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    Fair enough, my bad.

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    So you don't like the cul idea?

    There is a small trail center near Falkirk I won't go back to because of the ridiculous amount of dog crap. Ok, the trails are rubbish as well but I'd be happy enough to take the kids there but it's dog city. The last time two of the three bikes got covered. It was disgusting. I had to try and get them onto the rack without getting it on me or the rack then clean it all when I got home. I mailed the council about it. They were very nice about it ultimately there is a limit to what they can do, or rather what they are prepared to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocop View Post
    They all have the same lame excuse if you confront them on it.............."I'm going to pick it up on the way out." They never do.
    That is most certainly Not True! If either of our dogs relieve themselves at or near the trail-head, we will leave it and ALWAYS pick it up on the way out. We've even been in the car couple mins and turned around and gone back to get it once when forgot to grab it. Having said that, there are quite a few who don't. As a responsible dog(s) owner, I loath those folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Californiagrown View Post
    How? Are you just blasting by dogs praying they are bike trained? Ever thought about just stopping or slowing to a crawl and waiting for the owner to come grab the dog, kinda like how you would if some young kids were running around on the trails in front of you?
    Dogs are animals, not members of the trail user group. They behave erratically and unpredictably at times. They don't have "common sense" as you have suggested trail users use. This common sense between two trail users requires both parties to acknowledge each others presence and pass each other in a predictable manner. A dog owner can do this with a dog on a leash. If you bring your dog on singletrack off leash, yes even your extra special super smart dog that isn't like any other dog on earth, you are subjecting the dog to risk of injury as well as other trail users.

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    Fack i saw one dangling from a branch on a trail i built. So basically it’s litter- if im flying down the trail and that bag of shat slaps my face, it better taste like the natural terrain with sage and manzanita. Im gonna go take it down, including the homeless camp I found.

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    I just ride where a) dogs aren't allowed and b) most dog owners are too lazy to actually walk to.

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    Not a dog owner... just curious, I always just imagined people flinging their dogs shit into a bush...not acceptable? Out of sight, out of mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by langster831 View Post
    Not a dog owner... just curious, I always just imagined people flinging their dogs shit into a bush...not acceptable? Out of sight, out of mind?
    Id prefer that - ive done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by langster831 View Post
    Not a dog owner... just curious, I always just imagined people flinging their dogs shit into a bush...not acceptable? Out of sight, out of mind?
    That is the only way my Labrador shits. Right over the top of shrubs. I'd have to break the plant apart to clean it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMFT View Post
    I think the problem here is Californiagrown is accusing people of speeding by people with dogs going for Strava-glory and I haven't read a single entry from anyone saying they felt inconvenienced for having to slow down for anyone. Dog or person......

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    Yeah he forgot about my post 'cause there wasn't anything to nitpick at. I was even going uphill at a really slow pace.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead!

    I've been bit twice when Ive stopped when being chased. Now I only stop if there are big enough sticks to beat a dog back with and I know I can't out run it. If my daughters are with me and someone's dog charges me it is likely to get hurt. They are all nice until they take a chunk out of my 4 year olds face.

    ( And yes one of the times I got bit, she was charged on the beach and would of been bit if I hadn't picked her up and held her over my head). I just don't understand the need for dogs to be off leash in public areas where it is specifically against the law.

    Nice down rep and pm threat. It's not like I'm going to touch your dog unless I feel I have to to protect my family. As it is my right and responsibility to do!
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