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    Aggressive Marin County driver sentenced

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    Driver In Marin County Arrested After Threatening Bicyclist « CBS San Francisco




    The cyclist Jan Weisenberger uploaded the video, reported it on Feb 14 and turned in the video to the Marin DA. CBS5 got ahold of the video too.

    Marin County DA got ahold of it and pressed charges against Matthew Marshall Engle, 55.

    Ruling came out today and it is:
    40hrs community service, anger management classes, fines and fees, and 2 years probation.



    Anyway, Jan told me he's very pleased with the outcome. He didn't have to anything as the DA handled it all.

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    Whaaat?!?! That's it...no sodomy punishment

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    Marin is the only place on earth where aggressive road ragers are the "victim."

    Ask me how I know....

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    I don't know Davey, there's a lot of sympathy for reckless death-machine operators down on this side of the GG as well.

    I'm glad the individual victim of this incident is happy, but I'd feel a lot safer if I knew this menace didn't just drive himself home after the trial in his weapon of choice. People who drive like this demonstrate as clearly as one possibly can without actually hurting or killing someone they cannot be trusted behind the wheel. Sometimes we're not even that lucky.

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    Im just happy he got something. With 2yrs probation he'll think twice before road raging again. Breaking probation is not a good idea.

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    Fair enough.

    I'm fairly certain that this guy has aggro'ed on me in the past but I didn't have the presence on mind to document it at the time. Now that this conviction has come down, I'll feel better about documenting his dumb arse when he does it again, because he will.

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    I don't think doxing people is necessarily what we need to do here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loplopk View Post
    I don't think doxing people is necessarily what we need to do here.
    Particularly because I think there was an issue in the last thread with some of the Google information not being accurate. Not that MTBR members are going to leave a flaming bag of poo on this guy's doorstep, but still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loplopk View Post
    I don't think doxing people is necessarily what we need to do here.
    Agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCWages View Post
    Im just happy he got something. With 2yrs probation he'll think twice before road raging again. Breaking probation is not a good idea.
    It's not 5 years in jail but it is something significant in an anti-bike town.

    The news should pick up on this and make an example of this guy to make drivers realize there's an consequence.
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    anyone know what happened after he put the bike down?

    i'm glad the guy got some punishment, but that is actually rather innocuous compared to some of the vids out there..
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    It's not 5 years in jail but it is something significant in an anti-bike town.

    The news should pick up on this and make an example of this guy to make drivers realize there's an consequence.
    The "news" should pick up on a lot of things but choose to omit what does not fit their views. This type of thing seems to be one of them

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    so when he actually pushes the next rider off the road and is sentenced to vehicular manslaughter can they go after the DA for negligence?

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    Breaking probation not a good idea? No, it is not....but probation these days is not the deterrent/punishment it used to be. Especially if he is on informal probation, which is most likely. He will not be getting the probation supervision that he should be getting due to the fact all California probation departments are overloaded with supervising more serious criminals than this dirtbag. Due to the changes in law that removed/changed who is held in prison or county jail, probation departments have to supervise criminals who used to either be locked up or supervised by state parole. This guy will be getting the minimum contact from a probation officer...most likely a phone call contact once a month with no followup to ensure the miscreant is telling the truth about his activity. If the dirtbag gets in trouble again, it might increase the attention he gets but most likely not by much.

    Court ordered anger management classes...give me a break...that is a complete joke. Ineffective. No followup to make sure it is effective...no punishment or consequence for not taking the lessons to heart...most of the lessons being watching videos about the topic and group sessions that only teach the miscreant to make the proper noises and say the correct words to get the class finished and over with.

    40 hours community service? What kind of punishment is that? Usually done on the weekend, mostly consisting of the dirtbag and other miscreants being used to collect trash on the side of a county road or at a county park or other facility. Outdoors, fresh air, no hassle, get to work as slow as you want without any consequence. Just a minor inconvenience to this guy. I don't know about Marin, but some counties even provide lunch to their Community Service work crews!

    The heaviest punishment would probably be the fines and court fees. Those tend to be in the ridiculous territory but seriously it is not enough.

    I do not see this outcome making an example to the anti-bike types.

    Why should we expect more from a state justice system that does not even punish sufficiently drivers convicted of killing a cyclist...this incident is grievous, but nowhere near as bad as the incidents where a cyclist lost their life due to some moron driving a motor vehicle. If they don't punish those worst cases, why should this guy be given any worse? It is all a joke.

    Guy should have at the very least had his license suspended/revoked for at least a couple of years. Since he was proven to be unable to operate a motor vehicle safely and sanely in the presence of non-motor vehicle traffic he should have had the privilege of driving taken away. Let him see what it is like to have to figure out transportation without the ability to drive himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post

    Guy should have at the very least had his license suspended/revoked for at least a couple of years. Since he was proven to be unable to operate a motor vehicle safely and sanely in the presence of non-motor vehicle traffic he should have had the privilege of driving taken away. Let him see what it is like to have to figure out transportation without the ability to drive himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b0bg View Post
    Revoked license, 2 years, and mandatory daily bike trips of at least a couple of miles each. Routes shall be set by popular vote on MTBR/RoadBikeReview.
    Sounds good to me. And the 40 hours of community service should be instead something like 200 hours, and all of it spent sweeping debris out of bike lanes and off-road trail maintenance. And he should be forced to clean the chain of every BSO that comes in to a local Marin bike shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b0bg View Post
    I'm glad the individual victim of this incident is happy, but I'd feel a lot safer if I knew this menace didn't just drive himself home after the trial in his weapon of choice. People who drive like this demonstrate as clearly as one possibly can without actually hurting or killing someone they cannot be trusted behind the wheel. Sometimes we're not even that lucky.
    Agreed - it would seem a license suspension is certainly in order here.

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    Don't forget the driver is a trust funder. The wealthy are considered a special class of their own by Marin's DA.


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    It's nice to hear that "something" came of it..

    I always fear of getting seriously injured and being left there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Simon View Post
    Don't forget the driver is a trust funder. The wealthy are considered a special class of their own by Marin's DA.


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    While driving out of Marin on Sunday my wife and I were talking about the places we have been looking at for possible semi-retirement. We love visiting Marin, have been doing so since moving here from So Cal in '92. She said she just could not bring herself to buy land and run a business there...too many rules and controls compared to just about any other county in California. She then said she couldn't understand how all those hippies from the 60's who populate Marin could be so evil and controlling...seeing what the hippies were all about when they were the scene. I told her the nice hippies...the peace/free love/yogurt types ended up populating Sonoma county...all the activist assh*le hippies ended up living in and running Marin.

    Seeing what you wrote Davey now I have to modify my statement to include activist assh*le trustfund hippies.......
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    the nice hippies were forced out, a lot of them are up around Sea Ranch area still though, beautiful up there but can be pretty remote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post
    While driving out of Marin on Sunday my wife and I were talking about the places we have been looking at for possible semi-retirement. We love visiting Marin, have been doing so since moving here from So Cal in '92. She said she just could not bring herself to buy land and run a business there...too many rules and controls compared to just about any other county in California. She then said she couldn't understand how all those hippies from the 60's who populate Marin could be so evil and controlling...seeing what the hippies were all about when they were the scene. I told her the nice hippies...the peace/free love/yogurt types ended up populating Sonoma county...all the activist assh*le hippies ended up living in and running Marin.

    Seeing what you wrote Davey now I have to modify my statement to include activist assh*le trustfund hippies.......
    Inverness is a dumping ground for the wealthy families from back east that want to hide away their problem children. Those guys could probably run your ass over and laugh about it with the DA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Simon View Post
    Inverness is a dumping ground for the wealthy families from back east that want to hide away their problem children. Those guys could probably run your ass over and laugh about it with the DA.
    No sh*t? We had looked at a couple of land-only properties in Inverness a while ago. Good to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Simon View Post
    Don't forget the driver is a trust funder. The wealthy are considered a special class of their own by Marin's DA.


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    Unless you use a gun to protect yourself, then they won't leave you alone.

    This guy is using his car as weapon and this is all he gets. He could have hit any number of people acting like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post
    No sh*t? We had looked at a couple of land-only properties in Inverness a while ago. Good to know.
    You'd never get to build on any open land in Inverness. It would be held up in permitting until you died.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Simon View Post
    You'd never get to build on any open land in Inverness. It would be held up in permitting until you died.


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    Yeah, ask the Turkey Rancher who wants to build his retirement home on his family property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Simon View Post
    You'd never get to build on any open land in Inverness. It would be held up in permitting until you died.


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    That was why we passed on both properties. Looking elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b0bg View Post
    but I'd feel a lot safer if I knew this menace didn't just drive himself home after the trial in his weapon of choice. People who drive like this demonstrate as clearly as one possibly can without actually hurting or killing someone they cannot be trusted behind the wheel. Sometimes we're not even that lucky.
    Not much different for those of us who ride motorized vehicles on occasion....

    This happened to me yesterday trying to get home from work:

    https://youtu.be/QywCKzWjwyU

    So many impatient and scary drivers out there... I was temped to follow the person and ask them why they were tailgating me and then why they tried to kill me.... but I thought better of it and just went in the house and kissed my wife and son. Not worth engaging with these people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post
    That was why we passed on both properties. Looking elsewhere.
    A shame as Inverness is badly in need of new blood. It would be nice to get a local MTB crew together.

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    Bump... all charges dismissed. Marin judge dismisses Ross road-rage case

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    Pretty sure it wont work out so well for the cyclists arrested last month


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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    Not much different for those of us who ride motorized vehicles on occasion....

    This happened to me yesterday trying to get home from work:

    https://youtu.be/QywCKzWjwyU

    So many impatient and scary drivers out there... I was temped to follow the person and ask them why they were tailgating me and then why they tried to kill me.... but I thought better of it and just went in the house and kissed my wife and son. Not worth engaging with these people.
    You'd be better off giving the video and license plate number to the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skrnygphr View Post
    Bump... all charges dismissed. Marin judge dismisses Ross road-rage case
    The comments are about what I expect from the readers of the IJ. Oh he threatened deadly force with a shotgun "upset people say crazy things".

    Another shining example of the bullshit of our justice system, lets just ignore that PC422 Criminal Threats is a wobbler (DA can decide to charge as a Misdemeanor or a Felony) he did anger mangement he's totally cool now. I bet he and that cyclist are sharing beers and broing out. Don't worry when he eventually actually hurts a cyclist I'm sure it'll somehow end up being the cyclists fault.

    I freaking hate marin, and spend as little time as possible there. I've never met another group of self centered, smug elitist arseholes on such a consistent basis.

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    really

    No conviction! Probably had a lot to do with his economic status and the amount of melanin on his skin
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    Quote Originally Posted by skrnygphr View Post
    Bump... all charges dismissed. Marin judge dismisses Ross road-rage case
    Read the comments at the bottom of the article. Seems like people in Marin don't care at all about a death threat. "He was just yelling"

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    Quote Originally Posted by tekin112000 View Post
    Read the comments at the bottom of the article. Seems like people in Marin don't care at all about a death threat. "He was just yelling"
    Actually the people of Marin don't care about bike riders

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    Here is a story I clicked on at the Marin IJ, thinking I had not heard of a bike accident in west Marin. Oh yeah that "bike accident"

    West Marin bicycle accident hero recognized
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