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    24 Hours of Adrenalin Impressions

    First off I want to thank Dan for getting me into this. Then I want to thank Steve, Dave, Nick, and Carl for being great teammates. Plus a great big hug to Wynona for being understanding (you know what for).

    This was my first 24 hour race and I wasn't certain what to expect. The beginning of the race was incredible, 250 racers grabbing their bikes and swarming over the Bridge looked more like some massive migration of heard animals than a mountain bike race. Then it was a waiting game, 1 Hour 11 minutes and it was my turn. We started out with a short roll then we grabbed our bikes and carried them up 2 flights of stairs then rolled across the bridge and down the stairs on the far side...

    I was suprised at how consistent my times were after the first, I had 5 laps: 1PM - 57 min, 7PM - 60 min, 1AM - 64 min, 7AM - 60 min, 11AM - 62 min. 54.5 miles, ~6000' of climbing

    The first lap was actually the worst. The heat really got to me, I thought hydrating before the lap would be enough so I skipped the camel pack and I paid for it. On the second lap I had some nasty problems with my derailer but was otherwise a blast. I got my bike fixed between laps by the Mavic support crew and the bike was stellar after that. The night lap was foggy so visibility sucked but I only lost a couple of minutes. After my night lap I found the showers then got 2.5 hours of the best sleep I have ever had. My morning lap was awesome, the views with the sun rising over the fog were incredible and the temperature was just perfect for shorts and short sleeves.

    Carl opted out of his 4th lap and no one else wanted to do a 5th so I went out again at 10:56. I came back in from my final lap at 11:57. If I had finished my final lap 5 minutes earlier I would have tried to get a 6th lap in before the 1PM cutoff. Fortunately I came in just late enough and I didn't have enough food to get me through my 6th lap so I just called it a day. Otherwise I might have been with that poor guy who rolled across the bridge to see 30 seconds remaining on the clock, knowing full well that it takes 2 minutes to circle around the venue to the actual finish line.

    What a killer event, it's going to take me a day or two to recover from that.

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    Ay, goombah! Yer very welcome!

    I'm glad I could accomodate the entire family, instead of just my capos. Thanks to EBrider and STrackMike for taking on the challenges of your individual teams. I hope you are all as eager as I am to do this again next year.

    Like 0gre, this was my first 24 hour race. This was only my second race ever, Sea Otter 2005 being the first. At this point, I'd like to look at the SOC and my performance there as working out the kinks in technique, training and bike maintenance for the real deal - 24HOA.

    I had roughly the same lap times as 0gre, waiting for the official posting on the 24sports site for verification. As for that hot first lap, it was hot for you because you were drafting me up the grind. I was getting all of the breeze. I noticed it was hot when you took the lead for a bit. And thanks for that, I was able to recharge and sprint the end of that lap.

    My second lap, I was a little tired and needed to refuel badly. I started cramping a little bit early into the lap and had to hike the top 1/3 of hurl hill. By the time I hit the grind, I was playing the heartrate game and trying to keep my breathing deep and heartrate steady to keep my muscles from cramping. When the hams started to cramp, I stood and massaged. When other muscles started cramping, I just kept my head down and continued grinding. Amazingly, when I reached the gravel climb at the top of the grind, the cramping was gone and I sprinted to the stairs.

    The stairs were definately a highlight. I found myself getting excited about the lap endings because I knew I'd get to slam the stairs - what fun! The only thing better was my double night lap where I got to do the stairs twice in the dark!

    My night laps were done at approximately 4:30-6:30am. The cool damp air was perfect for my body. I found myself riding efficiently even if it was dark.

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    24hoa

    0gre, thanks for being a solid team mate by turning in the best lap times, doing an extra one, and convincing your wife to volunteer!

    Dan, thanks for helping organize the 3 mafia teams and generally encouraging everyone to get in on the pain and suffering (and fun). I personally never broke the 1 hour mark, but unofficially,my times were roughly 1:02, 1:05, 1:07, and 1:04

    Here's a writeup I did for my, er, blog...

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    Well, it's Monday morning and I'm back at the grind... I mean, work. But for about 80 minutes, split into four 20 minute intervals, evenly spaced from Saturday afternoon to Sunday morning, I spent that time tackling The Grind. The Grind (the version with capital letters and a whole lot of suffering) is the final 600 foot climb over two and a half miles (the latter half steeper than the first), which ends one 10 mile lap of the 24 Hours of Adrenalin mountain bike race.

    Despite those painful 80 minutes (and for a large part, because of them), the entire 24 hour experience as a whole was very gratifying. There was the camaraderie of our 5 man team and the 3 other teams that made up our large base-camp. There was the rush and tense moments of racing downhill and making passes (or getting passed) on tight single track. There was the skipped heart-beat at 35 miles per hour when my bike started shimmying underneath me on a gravel covered fireroad. And then there was the beautifully clear night, with stars, cool air, green/gray open fields, and just the spotlight and halo from my headlamp to guide the way. Up the hill, in the darkness, the evenly spaced lights from other riders on trail looked like a line of airplanes held up in a slow taxi pattern, or fireflies frozen in the moment. And then of course, there was the slow and painful thigh burn of the climbs up The Grind, and the more intense and condensed suffering on Hurl Hill. There was a night of very little sleep with plenty of eating and drinking (of the h20 and sport drink kind), and sitting around the campfire.

    But of course camp wasn't calm... in fact, it was always active. Riders (we had 4 teams) would come in from their laps, with looks of relief and the buzz of endorphins, and find or wake up the next-next rider in the rotation. Other riders were tuning up their bikes and assembling lights and other gear for their next ride. Others would warm up on the stationary bike trainers. Fully geared up riders would head out, navigating through the general camping area of RVs, tents, and bike stands, to the expo field and the transition area.

    The transition area was an experience in itself. It marked the start/finish of the 10 mile course and consisted of a scorer’s tent where finishing riders would funnel through as their laps and times were recorded. Outside the tent was a general gathering area. As the next rider, I needed to check-in and be in the transition area when the current rider finished their lap. We didn't carry 2-way radios, so it was pretty much a guessing game. Based on previous lap times, I'd get to the transition area about 15 minutes early, sign in, and then hang out. There was small talk with other riders and most of the time, a teammate or friend (looking very relaxed in street clothes) to keep me company. But really the transition area was about mildly anxious waiting. I was on the lookout for Steve (the rider ahead of me in the rotation), waiting for him to zip by the transition area, cranking the big ring to finish a quick paved circuit of the central campsites. Once I spotted him, it was game time.

    In about a minute they would announce 205, my team's number, and Steve would be running, dismounted from the bike, through the transition tent. He'd hand me a small wooden dowel, the baton, and I’d fumble trying to get it into a zippered pocket. With that, the transition was complete. I'd hop on the bike, hit start on my stopwatch, and start pedaling, focused and fresh, for another one hour lap of adrenalin.

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    I'd like to chime in here and give a big thanks to Dan for getting the teams organized and for talking me into joining in. I'd also like to thank everyone on all three of the Briones Mafia teams for the food and cheers.

    Like 0gre and Dan'ger this was my first 24 hour race, but it was also my first race ever. All I can say is, "I can't wait for next year". I had a blast even when I was in pain doing my best push down through my heels up the grind. I completed 3 laps and even though my times were, umm slow I had a huge grin at the end of each lap. The friendliness of the other riders was great I have never had so many people as if I was ok or if I needed anything. All the kind words I got from people as I slowly ascended both hurl hill and the grind felt great.

    What can I say about our camp that hasn't already been said. I only sort of knew a few of the people going into this event and they all treated me like family.

    So I am already looking forward to doing this again next year. I will have more than a couple weeks to get ready this time.

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    A girl's perspective

    I also raced for the first time this year. I was on a female team of 5 didn't really go to break any records, but just to have a good time and hopefully not get killed.

    It was the best experience ever. Everyone was super nice. I rode faster than I've ever ridden because I didn't want to be in anyone's way at a critical moment, but if I was in someone's way, they'd politely call out and pass without issue. I thoroughly enjoyed speeding around the course at night, even though that wet fog mixed with dust made it impossible to see much. I almost got taken out by a bobcat at the switchback section near the second checkpoint (back of 3 sisters), but I grinned the whole way round, loving every minute of it. The grind was actually one of my favourite parts. It's not often I get to overtake guys on a trail, but my butterfly wings must have been working cos they lifted me up there no trouble at all.

    I couldn't have asked for a better campsite either (well, Sycip bagged the best one, but we got the next best view of the trails). To sit at the top of the hill with a beer in hand and look out and be able to see riders 5 feet away and also a mile away made the experience that more enjoyable.

    Thanks for all being such perfect gentlemen!

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    Gotta Say..

    Thanks to Dan for the orginization - good, good times

    Ogre - you & your wife were great. And I'll add that you are one fast son-of-a-gun
    8track, Carl and Steve - Also really great to be on the same team as y'all, fun as hell.

    I only had 1 problem with my immediate fellow teammates....They somehow talked me into the LeMans running start - what a mess

    I'm in my biking shoes, helmet, shorts, jersey & gloves with a little wood baton draped around my neck. Getting a little anxious I noticed a familiar face in the crowd - didn't know it then but it was PFunk. Super cool seeing her again

    Then "Bang"! Off running we go - up a paved hill, then down a dirt trail back to our bikes in the transistion area (1/4 mile). Breathing's OK, I'm not overdoing it. Grab the bike and roll thru with the pack. Hit the stairs and fight my way with a crowd of much more experienced riders trying not to knock each other around with rear tires. I'll admit I didn't have the guts to roll down the other side this time (afraid I'd blast into someone and endo). Breathings a little heavier, heart rates up - but still good.

    I start hitting the hills - primarily singletrack, and very crowded. Gotta mention that just about every competitor I ran into was great. No ego and very polite (it's one the primary things that made the whole race worth while)......

    Now I'm suffering a little..Can't figure out why these little hills are taking soooo much effort - ughh. I finally top Hurl Hill and roll down skyline. When I hit the bottom of the Grind I remember something..... I dropped my seat a couple inches when I loaded my bike up (now I feel like a DumbA$$)!! I dismount and fix it....

    Get to the top, and then down to the stairs - run again 'cause people are in the way. Jump on my bike and start hammering. Then "All-Of-A-Sudden" PimpBot rips right around me!! Can't believe it I try to carch up, but no such luck - he finished a minute or two ahead of me. My first lap and I finished in 1:11.

    -Next lap went much better with my seat up
    -I also did the Midnight to 1am lap - super duper foggy (and I got a case of the giggles on the isolated section of singletrack)
    -and the 5-6am lap - predawn, very pretty

    Got home and while unloading bikes Rensho (we carpooled) pointed out I had a busted rear spoke I wonder how long that's been there????

    I could write forever about this, but don't wanna bore y'all. It was good meeting new people and seeing old acquaintances

    Can't wait til next year
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    Extra mileage laguna seca course ??

    Does anyone know how much time was added to their laps with the change in the course this year from last year, and what the mileage difference was???

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    Hope my impression (+ rant)...

    The Course:
    Man, the course was fast.. I hit 35+ on the fast straights and let it fly on the bumpy singletrack (thank goodness for dual suspension). Some of the surfaces were quite slick, including gravel and sand, and that was somewhat annoying. I heard some guy broke his hip and other bones in the fast single track section towards the beginning of the course?
    I didn't enjoy that last bit of the course leading up to the bridge... I know it was a last minute addition due to the track undergoing renovations but it seemed out of place and poorly marked.

    The Weather:
    The fog at night freaked me out. It got to the point where I had to wipe my glasses every few seconds and then towards the end of the course (after the Grind), I had to let some people go ahead just so I could follow their blinking tail lights. I couldn't believe the extreme change in temperature between the day and night. I wish I had brought two sets of night time riding attire because used clothing doesn't air dry that well when its freaking cold and wet outside.

    The Timing:
    The lap times reported on the manual timesheets seemed inconsistent with my own calculated lap times. Even when you factor in rounding by the minute and the baton passing, the times simply didn't make sense. I guess I'll wait for the official split times before I say anything else...

    The Sponsors and stuff:
    Did anyone get Clif Shots on the course? I wasn't offered any, that's for sure... The speech at the end mentioned Clif shots at the feed zones, but based on the amount of Power Gel and GU wrappers I saw at the beginning of the Grind, I doubt that was the case. What's up with that? Anyway, big thanks to Team GU and their distribution of free GU. Also, thanks to Niterider for fixing my 5 year old light under warranty, and thanks to Light & Motion for charging up my ARC battery at their unpublicized charging station in the Luna Chix tent. The post race event dragged out forever... it was so fraggin hot and there wasn't enough shade that I cut out before the raffle and pasta (if there even was any). I swear.. 5 years ago when I did they they served food immediately following the last lap. Oh well.

    I blame lack of sleep for more current level of irritability

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trekie
    Does anyone know how much time was added to their laps with the change in the course this year from last year, and what the mileage difference was???
    This doesn't directly answer your question, but according to the course map on the 24HoA website, the course in 2003 was 10.45 miles. My trip computer showed that laps this year were somwhere between 10.5 and 10.6 miles.

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    Another Comment on Sponsors

    Just another thought now you've jogged my rose colored memory. Was there supposed to be Mavic support on the trails?

    I pulled over to help a girl change a flat that ended up being 3 flats and a ruined spare which added about half an hour to my lap time and eventually a neutral looking pontiac pulled up to ask if we were ok. Was that the "Mavic support"? If it was, they didn't have any wheel type products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbkers
    Just another thought now you've jogged my rose colored memory. Was there supposed to be Mavic support on the trails?

    I pulled over to help a girl change a flat that ended up being 3 flats and a ruined spare which added about half an hour to my lap time and eventually a neutral looking pontiac pulled up to ask if we were ok. Was that the "Mavic support"? If it was, they didn't have any wheel type products.
    I don't think there was any implied "on the trail" Mavic support, just their tent at the expo site and "neutral" aid.

    BTW, how did she get 3 flats? were they thorn/pinch flat related? It was nice of you to help her out though. The aid and encouragement from other racers is definitely one of the nice things about this type of event.

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    ...continued

    I had been awake for a couple of hours preceding my first night lap and was hearing the MTBR and Mafia returning riders complain about how dense the fog was and how much the helmet lights were reflecting off of the fog, making riding very difficult. A couple of bespectacled contenders were complaining about the lack of visibility due to the moisture on glasses.

    I lucked out. The fog was starting to lift as I started my laps and I found that the double track was fog-free on my way to couch canyon and hurl hill. I cleaned hurl on my first lap and found that there was still some residual fog on the skyline fireroad section, so I removed my glasses and turned off my helmet light, running only the bar lights.

    When I reached the singletrack, there was no fog there and turned the HID back on and cruised through the ST section out to the grind. I felt so good, I started howling on my grind climb out. The grind was almost empty as compared to previous laps and I found myself bouncing from slower rider to slower rider to draft and rest before passing and my next short sprint to another slower rider.

    My next lap, I showed some signes of fatigue, being a back-to-back, and was not as fast. Probably my slowest lap. The fog had come back to some extent, but the sun was starting to rise as I finished that lap up the grind.

    ...to be continued...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbkers
    Thanks for all being such perfect gentlemen!
    I think 0gre and I passed you on the Grind during our first laps. You made a comment about that we couldn't pass you unless we threw out a lasso or something like that. Unfortunately, I left the rope back at camp...
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    kickass!

    this was also my first endurance event, and I had a blast, especially b/c we won. I was with the Tieni Duro Junior team in the under 149 cat. the whole race we were neck-and-neck w/ the NorCal HS Raiders; 4 up, 5 down, 10 up, etc. we (team of 5) all did consistent sub 50 min. laps in the day and sub-60 @ night. we did 28 laps at 6 laps each. god there's so much to talk about. I agree that everyone was really nice, giving me encouragement as I passed them on the grind or hurl hill. we ended up winning by around 5 min. you may have seen me wheelie across the finish at around 12:46. it was horrible, I know. and after all that, all we got were jerseys 2 sizes too big for all of us, and a medal just kidding. It was super painful sometimes, but I will definetly be back next year!
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    When I stopped to help she was having a hard time getting to grips with the pump. I showed her how to put it on and offered to fix her flat so that it would be good to go if anything happened again. As I was doing that, she was still having difficulty gettng the thing to stay inflated. I asked her if she'd checked for thorns before she put the new tube in and she said no, so she took it out, checked for thorns and put it back . Turns out, she had a dud spare (which I was fixing a slit in the side of thinking it was the crappy tube) but she was so tired she had put the spare on the ground and put the crappy tube back on the bike! Quite comical if it hadn't been so frigging hot out there. I ended up giving her my spare for fear of dying of heat stroke!



    BTW, how did she get 3 flats? were they thorn/pinch flat related? It was nice of you to help her out though. The aid and encouragement from other racers is definitely one of the nice things about this type of event.[/QUOTE]

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    You mean I wasn't the only chick with wings?! Damn. No, it wasn't me. The grind is actually the bit I thrived on. Weird as that sounds. I'm proud to say I had big strapping guys drafting off the back of me (which is even more weird given that I'm only 115lb!).



    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger
    I think 0gre and I passed you on the Grind during our first laps. You made a comment about that we couldn't pass you unless we threw out a lasso or something like that. Unfortunately, I left the rope back at camp...

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    Great event

    My team and I were back for more fun and pain this year. One of my teammates put it best when he read the slogan; "The experience doesn't end after twenty four hours," and then added, "Yeah, the pain lasts for two or three weeks." All in all another great job by the folks at 24HOA. I still can't believe that they manage to put together such a great event with such a small staff. My only complaint was already mentioned; run the raffle while the final results are being tallied. Everyone is too tired, dirty, and hot to sit around waiting.
    Hey burndtjamb; as I understand it the times recorded in the transition tent are not the official times. Those are taken when we pass under the clock and they call out your team number to the staff members in the trailer. Since volunteers from teams are recording times in the transition then that would open things up for some serious cheating if those were official times. Not sure why they bother to record times in the transition tent.
    Here's a couple of my favorite pictures from this year:

    1. My favorite little helper
    2. My teammate Eric finishing his 5th lap
    3. Me finishing my final lap with the nice cold beer provided by some friendly folks at the start of the home stretch. I wound up wearing more of it than I managed to drink but what I got sure tasted good!
    Hopefully the pictures come out OK, I'm still getting the hang of posting pictures here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burndtjamb
    The Course:
    Man, the course was fast.. I hit 35+ on the fast straights and let it fly on the bumpy singletrack (thank goodness for dual suspension). Some of the surfaces were quite slick, including gravel and sand, and that was somewhat annoying. I heard some guy broke his hip and other bones in the fast single track section towards the beginning of the course?
    I didn't enjoy that last bit of the course leading up to the bridge... I know it was a last minute addition due to the track undergoing renovations but it seemed out of place and poorly marked.
    I didn't notice it was slippery, must have been the tires. Overall my only gripe about the course is the huge amount of breaking bumps. In general this trail was pretty trashed from the getgo. Maybe the SOC has been run on it too many times?

    The Weather:
    The fog at night freaked me out. It got to the point where I had to wipe my glasses every few seconds and then towards the end of the course (after the Grind), I had to let some people go ahead just so I could follow their blinking tail lights. I couldn't believe the extreme change in temperature between the day and night. I wish I had brought two sets of night time riding attire because used clothing doesn't air dry that well when its freaking cold and wet outside.
    I only had one night lap and wish I'd had more but the timing just worked against me. I am really glad that I brought plenty of clothes, on my own I probably wouldn't have brought nearly enough but I read something that suggested a change of clothes per lap just in case so I just brought all my clothes.

    The Timing:
    The lap times reported on the manual timesheets seemed inconsistent with my own calculated lap times. Even when you factor in rounding by the minute and the baton passing, the times simply didn't make sense. I guess I'll wait for the official split times before I say anything else...
    A couple comments about timing, my wife worked in the timing tent and she said the clocks were weird in there and inconsistent. Also the people in the tent were often in a hurry to get times down and calculations were an afterthought. The important thing was to keep track of total laps and finish times at the end of the day.

    More important the times in the timing tent were unofficial, if you asked the folks in the timing tent about your time they most likely told you as much. Official times were tracked elsewhere... most likrly in the semi-trailer right at the start/ finish line.

    The Sponsors and stuff:
    Did anyone get Clif Shots on the course? I wasn't offered any, that's for sure... The speech at the end mentioned Clif shots at the feed zones, but based on the amount of Power Gel and GU wrappers I saw at the beginning of the Grind, I doubt that was the case. What's up with that? Anyway, big thanks to Team GU and their distribution of free GU.
    I never saw more than just gatorade and water on the check points and I had heard something about them having more than just that. Perhaps if you had stopped they had more? I never checked.

    I was a bit irritated by the number of wrappers at the bottom of the grind though. The cups I understand and they were all in one small place but the Gu graveyard was BS. Come on folks how hard is it to take .5 sec to slip the wrapper back wherever you got it from, it's not like you have to stop.

    Also, thanks to Niterider for fixing my 5 year old light under warranty, and thanks to Light & Motion for charging up my ARC battery at their unpublicized charging station in the Luna Chix tent. The post race event dragged out forever... it was so fraggin hot and there wasn't enough shade that I cut out before the raffle and pasta (if there even was any). I swear.. 5 years ago when I did they they served food immediately following the last lap. Oh well.
    The post race event was total crap. I wish I hadn't stuck around for it. It was extremely disorganized and lame. It took an hour and a half all the while the vendors were breaking down and taking the last tiny bits of shade. Come on folks how stupid is it to put on a big lengthy ceremony in the hot sun for a bunch of people who have just spent the last 24 hours pushing themselves to their personal limits. No, there was no pasta but I didn't expect any so no disappointment there for me.

    Overall one tiny blemish on an otherwise great event.

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    Mavic Support

    Quote Originally Posted by mtbkers
    Just another thought now you've jogged my rose colored memory. Was there supposed to be Mavic support on the trails?

    I pulled over to help a girl change a flat that ended up being 3 flats and a ruined spare which added about half an hour to my lap time and eventually a neutral looking pontiac pulled up to ask if we were ok. Was that the "Mavic support"? If it was, they didn't have any wheel type products.
    I don't know about on-the-trail help but sometime between 8PM and Midnight they brought my bike back from the grave so I am very thankful to them. It would be difficult to impossible to provide trailside assistance.

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    Hahah Ignatz, I saw you on your last lap as the announcer made the comment about "That guy looks like he's done with his lap judging by his method of refreshment." Great stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    The post race event was total crap. I wish I hadn't stuck around for it. It was extremely disorganized and lame. It took an hour and a half all the while the vendors were breaking down and taking the last tiny bits of shade. Come on folks how stupid is it to put on a big lengthy ceremony in the hot sun for a bunch of people who have just spent the last 24 hours pushing themselves to their personal limits. No, there was no pasta but I didn't expect any so no disappointment there for me.
    The post event has always been like that, hot and hot. I've stuck around for the finishing events because I've had friends that were category winners and the pasta/raffle. Last year I stuck around just for the raffle since they had no pasta (they promissed pasta this year but it looks like they flaked).

    I hope they had the midnight corn roast. That's always good, and one year they even had Mariachis!!

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    corn roast

    Quote Originally Posted by george_da_trog
    I hope they had the midnight corn roast. That's always good, and one year they even had Mariachis!!

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    I finished a lap pretty close to midnight and I heard the announcer going on about the corn roast. I didn't stick around for the corn though I was ready for some sleep.

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    Corn "Roast"

    Quote Originally Posted by george_da_trog
    The post event has always been like that, hot and hot. I've stuck around for the finishing events because I've had friends that were category winners and the pasta/raffle. Last year I stuck around just for the raffle since they had no pasta (they promissed pasta this year but it looks like they flaked).

    I hope they had the midnight corn roast. That's always good, and one year they even had Mariachis!!
    Corn roast happened, when I finished my lap at 2AM there was still some left and it was yummy post ride fuel!!

    We just stuck around for the Raffle which I guess works out Ok because everyone is gone so your chances of winning are better. In the group of 6 or so of us who stuck around 3 of us won prizes including Dan'ger picked up a nice Saris Bike Rack which Joseph-da-Trog would have won if he had stuck around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0gre
    Corn roast happened, when I finished my lap at 2AM there was still some left and it was yummy post ride fuel!!

    We just stuck around for the Raffle which I guess works out Ok because everyone is gone so your chances of winning are better. In the group of 6 or so of us who stuck around 3 of us won prizes including Dan'ger picked up a nice Saris Bike Rack which Joseph-da-Trog would have won if he had stuck around.
    The corn roast was nice. I had an ear before my 4:30am lap.

    To clarify the raffle thing, they called all of the names from the Cycle-ops trainer cards, the last one being Joseph. Since he wasn't there, and they didn't have any more names to call, they called a raffle ticket number that my wife was holding, that had been given to her in a pretty large stack by exiting racers and other hot and bothered people.

    So, you see, it was actually my wife, "Dan'geress", who won it. When you see her, be sure to tell her what a nice rack she has!
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    Hello all,

    great weekend... results will be posted by Thursday. We are continuing to pack up and look forward to seeing you all again soon.

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    ...continued

    In all a fun time. 24sports just emailed that the results should be posted by Thursday. I can't wait to find out my official lap split times.

    Again, thanks to all in my camp and the MTBR camp for making this such an enjoyable time.
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    No pasta!!

    My .02¢

    I think Stuart and staff really need to consider the road they are headed down. This event is a blast and what got me started in it was the fun I saw everyone having in the past years. Most of the props go out to the MTBR staff for posting reports and pics. Stuart if you are reading this take note of some of the things people are saying. It is the little things that make a difference. In years past you had pasta at the end, more vendors, Krusty the clown for the kids, coffee for people freezing in the venue, more outhouses, better kid prize bags, better kids race etc etc.......

    I really enjoy these events and look forward to them each year but when you still pay the amount we do and get diminishing returns it gets harder and harder to justify the cost. I wish you the best of luck and hope to see you again next year.

    BTW: You get props for letting a bunch of kids jump over you.....


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    My .02¢

    I think Stuart and staff really need to consider the road they are headed down. This event is a blast and what got me started in it was the fun I saw everyone having in the past years. Most of the props go out to the MTBR staff for posting reports and pics. Stuart if you are reading this take note of some of the things people are saying. It is the little things that make a difference. In years past you had pasta at the end, more vendors, Krusty the clown for the kids, coffee for people freezing in the venue, more outhouses, better kid prize bags, better kids race etc etc.......

    I really enjoy these events and look forward to them each year but when you still pay the amount we do and get diminishing returns it gets harder and harder to justify the cost. I wish you the best of luck and hope to see you again next year.

    BTW: You get props for letting a bunch of kids jump over you.....


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    I feel the same, Dude. The cost of the event has increased while the ROI has gone down. Its plain wrong when their website advertises stuff like the post ride pasta as a selling point for 24HoA vs. other endurance events but doesn't deliever it in the end. Then again, I'm not sure if its Stuart and Co. are to blame... its the same story with Sea Otter. Perhaps the sport in general is going down the drain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burndtjamb
    I feel the same, Dude. The cost of the event has increased while the ROI has gone down. Its plain wrong when their website advertises stuff like the post ride pasta as a selling point for 24HoA vs. other endurance events but doesn't deliever it in the end. Then again, I'm not sure if its Stuart and Co. are to blame... its the same story with Sea Otter. Perhaps the sport in general is going down the drain.
    I would hate to think that the sport itself is going down the drain. It did seem that the people I encountered on the track were nice and gracious about passing, etc., but there was some faction of individuals who thought it was OK to drop sport goo wrappers all over the trail towards the beginning of the grind.

    This really pisses me off! If I were able to figure out who did this, I would have no problem picking them all up myself from the trail, taking them to their homes and pleasureably sticking them to the windows of their car or home as a reminder of how it looks to people who ride those trails. It's just damned inconsiderate and it takes the same amount of time to put the wrapper back in a pocket as dropping them on the ground.

    At least the gatorade people had garbage receptacles set up at a decent distance from where they were dispensing that, unlike SOC2005 where Cytomax had no containers to dump the bottles they were handing out and some of those bottles ended up in the trees, bushes and wherever off the beaten path and were not picked up. Weeks later, there are still cytomax bottles at the sides of the trails. Perhaps the wax paper cups that gatorade was dispensing were not as eco-friendly as a reusable water bottle, but waxed paper cups in a garbage receptacle are much more eco-friendly than plastic left all over the trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twenty4 sports
    Hello all,

    great weekend... results will be posted by Thursday. We are continuing to pack up and look forward to seeing you all again soon.

    twenty4 sports
    Thank you, thank you!! I was there and had a great time. There was a nice vibe in all the campsites (specially mtbr) and everything was very well-organized as always.

    The timing tent was as smooth as ever and the the gatorade crews on the course are attentive and as friendly as ever. Nice markers too in the entire trail! I've ridden this cours about 50 times and it was quite a luxury with all the trees and ditches marked nicely.

    Sooo, thanks Stuart. I can only imagine how much work this endeavor takes. The mtbr family had a great time and we will be back next year in greater numbers... with more alcohol content!

    My only suggestion is to have the Luna Chix ride alongside me as I putt along the track next year.

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    Racks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger
    So, you see, it was actually my wife, "Dan'geress", who won it. When you see her, be sure to tell her what a nice rack she has!
    Well I was thinking of telling her that well before the raffle but thought that was pretty Dan'geress with my wife prowling around.

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    My Impressions

    This was my third year in a row doing this. Every year I say I'm not going to do it again because it's so exhausting, but I'm usually talked back into it by my teammates.

    This year is different. I'm not going to do it again. Here are my reasons:

    - The event costs too much for what you get. The t-shirts are mass produced and not specific to each 24HOA event, timing chips aren't provided, no promised pasta feed, etc

    - You have to bring volunteers. If this was the Providian relay or some other fund raising event....then I would be all for it. This is a for profit company. Do something similar to what Tri-California does for Wildflower -- recruit SLO or CSUM students to volunteer.

    - The rants sent via the 24HOA mailing system prior to the event were silly. Move on.

    - The staff when approached about flaws in their website are defensive as opposed to "customer is always right" attitude. We had a teammate attempt to register on two occasions only to have their system fail. As a result we were charged a late waiver fee -- even after they acknowledged the attempts.

    It is rather unfortunate because everyone out there riding was awesome. I will miss this, but I simply can no longer support this organization.

    Any recommendations for other 24 hour events?

    Thanks!

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    sorry to hear you are disapointed...

    This was my third year in a row doing this. Every year I say I'm not going to do it again because it's so exhausting, but I'm usually talked back into it by my teammates.

    This year is different. I'm not going to do it again. Here are my reasons:

    - The event costs too much for what you get. The t-shirts are mass produced and not specific to each 24HOA event, timing chips aren't provided, no promised pasta feed, etc

    Each of us is able to set the value of any product in the market place. Note that our event costs about 40% less than Granny Gears (GGP) events and you might get a colored t-shirt, but ask riders what else you get. The Pasta feed, which is historic (10 years we have provided this) was the direct cost cutting measure due to the GGP lawsuit.

    - You have to bring volunteers. If this was the Providian relay or some other fund raising event.... then I would be all for it. This is a for profit company. Do something similar to what Tri-California does for Wildflower -- recruit SLO or CSUM students to volunteer.

    Eight years ago there were a great deal of local mountain bike events. Why have so many promoters packed it in? I believe that those who are in business supporting their families and trying to make a living are working for " For Profit" companies.

    - The rants sent via the 24HOA mailing system prior to the event were silly. Move on.

    Sorry but the buying public needs to know that GGP wants to own the rights to running 24-hour events. The fact that an entire business was lost to Laird Knight is not what mtbing is all about... owning the rules for a sport... list one sport that someone owns.

    - The staff when approached about flaws in their website are defensive as opposed to "customer is always right" attitude. We had a teammate attempt to register on two occasions only to have their system fail. As a result we were charged a late waiver fee -- even after they acknowledged the attempts.

    The staff has been under extreme pressure after the lawsuit. Yes the web site has flaws, however give credit where credit is due. The registration lines have been reduced buy more than 50%. Only 20 teams out of over 230 teams were assesed a late fee because of incomplete registration. Less than 9% We will continue to work on our site to improve it.

    It is rather unfortunate because everyone out there riding was awesome. I will miss this, but I simply can no longer support this organization.

    In the end Dan we want to provide the very best experience for all involved, however any large event has its challenges. Yes we need to continue to improve and we are committed to do so, however please realize that a start up company that we are... after the lawsuit will have its challenges. I hope you stick with us, if not good luck... twenty4 sports.

    Any recommendations for other 24-hour events?

    Thanks!

    -Dan

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    Each of us is able to set the value of any product in the market place. Note that our event costs about 40% less than Granny Gears (GGP) events and you might get a colored t-shirt, but ask riders what else you get. The Pasta feed, which is historic (10 years we have provided this) was the direct cost cutting measure due to the GGP lawsuit.

    What I would like to see, but I doubt you'll be able to provide, is a break down cost per rider. Obviously, I can't comment on GGP events as I haven't done one, but I have done numberous triathlons, marathons, and other atheletic events. With events like Wildflower you are fighting supply and demand as they sell out quickly. The cost for that event no longer makes sense to me, but I understand they can charge that much due to the demand.

    Eight years ago there were a great deal of local mountain bike events. Why have so many promoters packed it in? I believe that those who are in business supporting their families and trying to make a living are working for " For Profit" companies.

    That's not the point. The point is we have to provide volunteers for a for profit event. I'm sure this would raise the rates -- but it all goes back to my first point -- cost per rider. If you could shed some light on the profit margin, I might end up with a different view. Right now I'm not feeling it. Another suggestion is to use timing chips as that would eliminate a huge number of volunteer positions.

    Sorry but the buying public needs to know that GGP wants to own the rights to running 24-hour events. The fact that an entire business was lost to Laird Knight is not what mtbing is all about... owning the rules for a sport... list one sport that someone owns.

    So, would it be ok for Amazon.com to send out it's views of Walmart's practices to all it's customers? Look, I agree with where your organization stands on the issue, but I really don't want mail sent to me about it. Don't make that choice for me. When I get e-mail from you, I want it to be solely about the event.

    The staff has been under extreme pressure after the lawsuit. Yes the web site has flaws, however give credit where credit is due. The registration lines have been reduced buy more than 50%. Only 20 teams out of over 230 teams were assesed a late fee because of incomplete registration. Less than 9% We will continue to work on our site to improve it.

    Actually I think you're going in the right direction with your website. I was mainly referring to fact that when it didn't work for us we were charged a late fee. Instead of saying, "Hey I see you tried to register in time, no sweat we will remove the late fee"...we got "Why didn't you tell us it wasn't working?". I can understand your point on this, but you're going to upset some loyal customers with this kind of approach.

    In the end Dan we want to provide the very best experience for all involved, however any large event has its challenges. Yes we need to continue to improve and we are committed to do so, however please realize that a start up company that we are... after the lawsuit will have its challenges. I hope you stick with us, if not good luck... twenty4 sports.

    I actually appreciate this dialogue and I can only hope something positive comes out of it. I hope you take to heart the criticisms others and myself have made. I want to stress that we decided last year to not participate in the conflicting event at Infineon Raceway in order to support your event.

    -Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudeche
    This was my third year in a row doing this. Every year I say I'm not going to do it again because it's so exhausting, but I'm usually talked back into it by my teammates.

    This year is different. I'm not going to do it again. Here are my reasons:

    - The event costs too much for what you get. The t-shirts are mass produced and not specific to each 24HOA event, timing chips aren't provided, no promised pasta feed, etc

    - You have to bring volunteers. If this was the Providian relay or some other fund raising event....then I would be all for it. This is a for profit company. Do something similar to what Tri-California does for Wildflower -- recruit SLO or CSUM students to volunteer.

    - The rants sent via the 24HOA mailing system prior to the event were silly. Move on.

    - The staff when approached about flaws in their website are defensive as opposed to "customer is always right" attitude. We had a teammate attempt to register on two occasions only to have their system fail. As a result we were charged a late waiver fee -- even after they acknowledged the attempts.

    It is rather unfortunate because everyone out there riding was awesome. I will miss this, but I simply can no longer support this organization.

    Any recommendations for other 24 hour events?

    Thanks!

    -Dan


    I am very Grateful that this 24hHOA happened giving the circumstances.
    I am grateful to be asked to race on the MTBR Team.
    I am grateful for the memories and new friends I have met because of the race.
    I am grateful for the volunteers.
    I am grateful for the Staff you had.
    I am grateful for the Swag we all got.
    I am grateful for that in time 24HOA will only get better.

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    Had a blast

    I wasn't sure what to expect as I haven't been mountain biking for long, only bought my bike last July, and wasn't thinking that I would be entering a race already. Thanks to Dan for the invitation. I am already looking forward to next year and a chance to improve on my 1:10 lap times.

    The nervous anticipation of each lap, followed by the huge adrenalin rush of the ride was unbelievable. From the time I stood in the transition area and saw Ogre screaming (and I mean literally yelling his head off to get my attention) down the straightaway after the bridge I was in a different mode. First and even second laps, I was nervous about my first race and going at my slow speed with 250 other riders on the course. Both worked out fine. The third lap, I was a little concerned about riding in the dark and fog of 2:00 AM, this turned out to be by far the most fun I had on the ride, or probably any ride. Finally, the fourth lap I was worried that I was too tired and would turn in something like a 1:30 lap. Turned out that my fourth lap was right on pace with the others and I so much wanted to ride a fifth that I stuck around in my wet cycling clothes rather than having a beer, just in case Ogre and 8Track were able to unload 45 minute laps, giving me a chance to get one final lap.

    Thanks to my teammates for working well together and making this a lot of fun, especially Char for volunteering. It was great to meet all the MTBR people, albeit confusing to remember two names for every face. I look forward to riding with everyone in the future. Didn't stick around for the awards and raffle because I needed any remaining adrenalin to stay awake for my 2 hour drive home.

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    This too was my first 24 hour race

    I have to say it was quite the experiance. First the camping was great. Way better than I expected. Our camp site was on top of the hill right across from the lady team with wings. It was beautiful, the view during the night and day were great, and it was nice to have tree's to sit under for shade. The only draw back was the wind that picked up at night. The race course was a blast. My first lap was on a single speed, but after punishing my kidneys on the bumps I decided to stick with the full suspension. My second lap out was my fastest with a time of 48 minutes. Like someone else commented its ammazing how your body will recover after a few hours and go out and do a lap just as fast as the first. I have become aware now that the hardest part of a 24 hour race is the mental aspect. At 3 in the morning I wanted to tell the team that I was giving up and I just wanted to stay in my sleeping bag. Once I was out on the course though it was fine. I'm not great at writing my experiances but I just wanted to say I had a blast.

    Any one else see the dead rodents on the trail? My team mate made the comment it must have been his 10th lap and the poor little guy just keeled over from exhaustion.
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    Laguna Seca results are up

    They said results would be posted on Thursday, but they're up now.http://www.twenty4sports.com/twenty4...2-40c71aeb9c59

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    Quote Originally Posted by @dventure girl
    They said results would be posted on Thursday, but they're up now.http://www.twenty4sports.com/twenty4...2-40c71aeb9c59
    So it's official. My lap times were 58, 58, 63, 66 and 61min.
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    It's official, they suck.

    They didn't count our last lap, and we had third if they did.

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    The team ahead of us beat us by 42 seconds over 24 hours. That's 1.9 seconds per lap! Well, at least it wasn't a battle for 1st place. We're still mid-packers. We had a great time!

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    What's up with the weird split times?

    Quote Originally Posted by @dventure girl
    They said results would be posted on Thursday, but they're up now.http://www.twenty4sports.com/twenty4...2-40c71aeb9c59
    I see some people have 0:33 and even 0:03 lap times... Are these typos or do they represent laps where people had to bail due to mechanical/injury/etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burndtjamb
    I see some people have 0:33 and even 0:03 lap times... Are these typos or do they represent laps where people had to bail due to mechanical/injury/etc?
    Those have to be typos - more likely 1:33 & 1:03 respective.
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    Got my lap times too:

    1:11 - damn LeMans start
    1:05 - now that's little better
    1:13 - damn fog
    1:17 - just plain pooped - ugh...

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    Had a great time...

    Saw a number of people I hadn't seen in about a year including Francois ugly mug running around at dusk. The other competitors and teams on the course were great to chat too, I remember seeing the ladies with winds, funny watching the wings flop around on the ST.

    I appreciated the organization and the help from the volunteers, especially my pit guy Frank. He's the man.

    The race was great and I had a great time. I appreciated the opportunity to compete and challenge myself.

    To Stuart:

    On some of the points people of made about the event, I agree I'd rather not hear about the issues between GG and 24HOA. Just keep it about the event, it'll come across much more positive.

    Take the high road Stuart it'll be worth it the long run.

    I hope you don't get the wrong idea people want something for nothing from their comments, but realize a little goes a long way whether it be a pasta feed or what have you.

    You put on a great event, in everything we learn and improve whether racing or organzing.

    Thanks for you and your staff's efforts it's greatly appreciated, keep it up.

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    I'm kicking myself for being a weenie and not doing double laps, or triple laps as Shige was suggesting, or going for a last lap at the end. I was lulled into the thought of being firmly stuck where we were in the standings(which we were). Oh well, it was lots of fun, and i didn't kill myself physically.
    I had a lot of fun, and the company was great around the camp site. I'm really glad about no major crashes amongst our group.
    I admire these teams that can line up 26+ laps at/near 50min. Wow. Those are some fast folks. Something to aspire to.

    What's next?

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    New question here. Pictures?

    Is there a link for the pics of this year's 24 at Laguna? Tidwell didn't do them this year and I saw a few out there with nice setups.
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