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    Those of you considering Avid BB7 setups...

    As I said in other threads for just a bit more cash you can go hydraulic. As seen here:

    By the way of a simple google search I found this:

    The cheapest BB7 setup: http://greenfishsports.com/product/3...rake-2009.html

    And for only 15 bucks more: http://wheelworld.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=3864

    Why mess with mechanical setups? Get the power of hydraulics. I see these Hayes brakes offered at this price every time I read my MBA Magazine from at least one advertiser.
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    I can't speak for everyone, but I didn't go with BB7s to save money. They have more than enough power for my needs (XC), and are ridiculously easy to adjust for feel and elimination of rotor rub. This is coming from somebody who had hydros, went to mechanicals, and just built a 29er with little expenses spared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    As I said in other threads for just a bit more cash you can go hydraulic. As seen here:

    By the way of a simple google search I found this:

    The cheapest BB7 setup: http://greenfishsports.com/product/3...rake-2009.html

    And for only 15 bucks more: http://wheelworld.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=3864

    Why mess with mechanical setups? Get the power of hydraulics. I see these Hayes brakes offered at this price every time I read my MBA Magazine from at least one advertiser.
    Your point being....?

    Fill us in.

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    My point is simple. Hydraulics can be had just as cheap as BB7s and are a bit more powerful in my experience. Just my opinion.
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    I am really considering taking off my stroker carbons and putting my bb7s' back on my xc race bike. To each their own but I wouldn't trade my bb7s' for nines. The op is right on one account you can get hydros for the same price. I don't know where I'm going with this, but this is a silly thread.

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    BB7 cable replacement = easy, DIY, cheap

    bleeding hydraulic brakes = not easy, not DIY, not cheap

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    I disagree. Bleeding kits are cheap. Bleeding is easy. Not as easy as replacing cables you got me there.
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    Hayes 9s are terrible. Mine frequently drag a pad and dont grab any where near as hard as my BB7. Of course I also find the juicy 3 and hayes sol to be inferior to the BB7. The shimano deore also fails to perform as well. Every time i use my BB7s I am amazed they work so well. All the other cable pull discs seem to be complete rubbish some are worse that v-brakes.

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    I break levers often... then BB7s with Avid speed dial levers are powerful as Elixir R...

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    Personally, I don't have any difficulty bleeding my hydraulic brakes, but after having to cut three rides short in the last 6 weeks because of other problems with the hydros, my BB7s are back on my bike. I've had *very* few problems with BB7s and nothing that couldn't be corrected in a few seconds on the trails. In my case they were significantly cheaper and the difference in weight wouldn't be a realistic issue unless I was competing at high performance levels, which I can absolutely guarantee will *never* be the case.

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    I got bb7's and juicy ultimates on two of my rides and i like the bb7's just as much.

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    As ric426 said, you can adjust anything on the trail that might go wrong the BB7. Simplicity is worth something.

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    well i am considering bb7's actually. having had a set of shimano's mech disc for a couple years now they have always been great. easy to adjust and all that. i'm just not sold on the hydro's at this point (took me awhile to get a cell phone). maybe i'll see if I can try them out at the lbs and compare before i decide. I just love the simplicity as bhc said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    My point is simple. Hydraulics can be had just as cheap as BB7s and are a bit more powerful in my experience. Just my opinion.
    We are glad you are happy.

    Those of us running BB7's are just as happy and are just as entitled to let others know. BB7's are not an inferior product and price is actually not the issue for many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    My point is simple. Hydraulics can be had just as cheap as BB7s and are a bit more powerful in my experience. Just my opinion.
    Well, sure hydros are more powerful and most of the time lighter, and I'd never go back to cable operated brakes personally...but...people are different and either from expense, simplicity, or both, many feel more comfortable staying with cable discs. No need to bash your head on the wall, it's just a personal choice that some make. Choices are good. I think most people who are leary of hydros eventually come around to them after riding with friends and others who have excellent service from hydros. And if they don't, it's still one's right to stay with decently operating cable discs if they so choose.

    The only time I get a little ticked is when I hear someone crowing about how their BB7's or whatever are kicking the tail out of everyone's hydros in stopping performance. One guy even came on here and claimed that his BB7's were stronger than his Code 5's. Yeah right...Code 5's without any brake fluid in them maybe. BB7's are the best cable operated brakes around IMO, but there's a measurable performance difference compared to quality hydros unless something is wrong with the hydros. But...they work well enough to be better than rim brakes...until the guy comes around here saying that his rim brakes are better than disc brakes in general in stopping performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkley
    not easy
    Yes
    Quote Originally Posted by Berkley
    not DIY
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkley
    not cheap
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    What I used to bleed my hayes:
    - Dot3 = $4
    - Syringe + needle = $1.50
    - Rubber tubing = $0.50
    - Small crescent wrench = $5
    - Small Phillips driver = $3.50
    Grand total = $14.50

    To replace cables:
    - Cable = $4
    - Allen wrench = $3
    - Cable cutter = $17
    Grand total = $24

    If you throw all the tools out the window, a cable replacement still costs $4/wheel. A bleed costs $4 for.... well I've bleed 4 times on the same bottle.

    Also, don't forget that for your $45, BB7 doesn't come w/ levers or cables. For your $60, the HFX9 comes w/ everything. So the Hayes are really cheaper as well.

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    so if you want the cheapest solution go with Hayes... I want something more reputable so either BB7 or Elixir - have them both

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    My experience with Hydro's vs. Mechanicals, you need to pay closer attention to the maintenance on the Hydros because you can't really fix them if something goes wrong on the trail. With the BB7's, you can adjust them out on the trail very easily.

    On my XC bike with 4 inch travel, BB7's were excellent brakes. On my AM bike (5 1'2 inch travel, the BB7's were not slowing me down, so went with Hydros.

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    Don't understand the bashing 9's. I have them on my Heckler and they work great. They have yet to fail me in any situation after about 3 years. Bleeding them is cake.

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    I have a set of magura Julies from 02 or somesuch on my bike. They've been brilliant, even though there are lighter, more powerful options now. I've never bled them, never had to change the pads, and only occasionally have had a small rotor warp (easily fixable with a rag/rubber mallet and a flat surface). They're even an inexpensive option...got 'em for $125 for front and rear (used) back in the day. I've been using them since 03, so 6 years. Quality hydros are wonderful.

    That said, I put BB7's on the wife's bike. Why? BB7's have been better (in my experience) than comparably priced hydro brakes. My wife's bike is pretty entry level, but she really wanted improved braking. The BB7 did the job best for a reasonable price. I would NEVER use a comparably priced hydro. Though I am surprised to see Hayes 9's in that price category. Those are not a bad option, but to be fair that's a closeout price, not regular retail. They'd be a bargain, true.

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    I've seen Strokers at 79 dollars an axle as well...
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    I've got BB7's with Avid Ultimate levers on the Racer-X and Juicy 7's on the Leviathan. Very disappointed in the J7's, rear brake drags slightly, both ends squeal badly, stopping power isn't any better than the BB7's, and I like the Ultimate levers way better. Don't know about bleeding, but if the J7's were better than the BB7's then I'd gladly learn how to bleed them.

    Bottom line for me, I'm going to put '09 BB7's on my 1st line bike, the Leviathan.

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    I run BB7's on my Kona as well, and I love them. Whenever new riders ask my opinion, I tell them hydros may have a better feel, but for ease of use and maintenance mechanicals are the way to go. Sure there are bensfits to both, but price is not as close as you are making it seem. BB7's are about the best mechanical brake out there, and for 15 bucks more you are getting entry level hydros- not top of the line. Everyone has a preference, and I prefer simple. I've tried hydros, and for me they are not enough of an improvement to justify the cost and added work. To each his (or her) own.

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    But you forget - you still have to buy levers for the BB7 setup so in the end as I heard someone say hydros can be and are cheaper.
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