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    New Hope Tech M4/X2 EVO worth it?

    Building up a new frame soon and was looking to pick up the Hope Tech M4/X2 183/160mm. I saw that Hope came out with the "EVO" model for 2012.

    Is the new EVO worth ~$30 more per side?

    I weigh ~175 lbs geared up, so I'm not a clyde, nor am I a lightweight.

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    Not really.

    The only changes are the lever pivot is slightly closer to the resevoir (in theory to generate more power) and the little linkage in the lever has a roller cam instead of just pushing now.

    The caliper and resevoir internals are identical to the non evo models. I weigh more than you and have never thought my X2s lacked power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    Not really.

    The only changes are the lever pivot is slightly closer to the resevoir (in theory to generate more power) and the little linkage in the lever has a roller cam instead of just pushing now.

    The caliper and resevoir internals are identical to the non evo models. I weigh more than you and have never thought my X2s lacked power.
    Awesome. Thanks for the reply!

    Is there any better rotor to mate with the M4/X2 or is the float/fixed Hope rotors the best match already?
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    No idea, I've always used Shimano rotors out of habit. Hope rotors are definately more bling.

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    Am using the Hope floating rotors. Same setup as you are proposing. Works really well.

    Edited to add - the redesign in supposed to increase the power of the brakes by something like 15%, if that figure is correct. I have never really wanted for more power from mine, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalom View Post
    Am using the Hope floating rotors. Same setup as you are proposing. Works really well.

    Edited to add - the redesign in supposed to increase the power of the brakes by something like 15%, if that figure is correct. I have never really wanted for more power from mine, though.
    Perfect. I will go with the last gen model then.
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    It seems the only big differences apply to the Race series. Now you don't only have a Race X2 but also a Race M4 and V2. They look very cool with the black finish and green accents. All the Race brakes come with "Lightweight Alloy Race Evo lever with Titanium bolts as standard". But if you just want the "ordinary" Tech X2 brakes I guess the pre-2011 is just as good and (a lot) cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walliebal View Post
    It seems the only big differences apply to the Race series. Now you don't only have a Race X2 but also a Race M4 and V2. They look very cool with the black finish and green accents. All the Race brakes come with "Lightweight Alloy Race Evo lever with Titanium bolts as standard". But if you just want the "ordinary" Tech X2 brakes I guess the pre-2011 is just as good and (a lot) cheaper.

    Tech EVO X2
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    Seems to me that it is also in the Tech series.....but I could be wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walliebal View Post
    It seems the only big differences apply to the Race series.
    The race M4 has existed unoffcially for a while, it's just the M4 caliper on the Race lever, not really a big deal.

    The Evo race lever has the new pivot location, but otherwise is the same as the old one, again nothing huge has changed.

    I'm not aware of a Race V2 being available at all, although they are doing a limited run of the Tech levered brakes in black and green, all models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    The race M4 has existed unoffcially for a while, it's just the M4 caliper on the Race lever, not really a big deal.

    The Evo race lever has the new pivot location, but otherwise is the same as the old one, again nothing huge has changed.

    I'm not aware of a Race V2 being available at all, although they are doing a limited run of the Tech levered brakes in black and green, all models.
    Both the Tech and Race levers get the new EVO pivots. But you are correct, other than that, everything else is the same.

    Not sure why anyone would want a race lever on the V2.....

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    Well went ahead and ordered the last gen Hope Tech M4/X2 183/160mm, braided lines, floating rotors, and matchmaker.

    Anybody know how much better these compare to the Elixir R SL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonylokrn View Post
    Well went ahead and ordered the last gen Hope Tech M4/X2 183/160mm, braided lines, floating rotors, and matchmaker.

    Anybody know how much better these compare to the Elixir R SL?
    You will not be disappointed. That is exactly the combination I went with to replace the Elixir R SL's I got cheap. The power, modulation and adjustability is phenomenal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonylokrn View Post
    Well went ahead and ordered the last gen Hope Tech M4/X2 183/160mm, braided lines, floating rotors, and matchmaker.

    Anybody know how much better these compare to the Elixir R SL?
    I'm running this setup as well and came from Elixir 5's. I'm quite pleased with them when they are working . . . I have not had them that long yet and am still working out some of the bugs, but as soon as I get them dialed in, I know they will be superb.

    One note of advice: The MC caps may be overtightened when you get them, which will cause a very slow fluid leak (you can tell right out of the box if there is any fluid in the box/bag that they come in). I have had to bleed each brake twice now in order to get the diaphragm's properly seated. In other words, you have to re-seat all 4 diaphragms (at least I would).

    When you put the MC caps back on, tighten the screws 1/4 turn past snug and that's it . . . not very tight at all. I just re-did the bleed on mine last night (which by the way is SUPER easy - so is shortening the lines, even the SS ones) and this morning the drips had stopped so I think I'm in business . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    I'm running this setup as well and came from Elixir 5's. I'm quite pleased with them when they are working . . . I have not had them that long yet and am still working out some of the bugs, but as soon as I get them dialed in, I know they will be superb.

    One note of advice: The MC caps may be overtightened when you get them, which will cause a very slow fluid leak (you can tell right out of the box if there is any fluid in the box/bag that they come in). I have had to bleed each brake twice now in order to get the diaphragm's properly seated. In other words, you have to re-seat all 4 diaphragms (at least I would).

    When you put the MC caps back on, tighten the screws 1/4 turn past snug and that's it . . . not very tight at all. I just re-did the bleed on mine last night (which by the way is SUPER easy - so is shortening the lines, even the SS ones) and this morning the drips had stopped so I think I'm in business . . .
    Thanks! I will doublecheck those caps once they come in.
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    The TECH EVO series is to replace the older TECH version. Hence there should be no price change. This is what I hear from my local dealer. Perhaps, some dealer stock the old version and want to clear it out, hence markup the EVO price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kianlee View Post
    The TECH EVO series is to replace the older TECH version. Hence there should be no price change. This is what I hear from my local dealer. Perhaps, some dealer stock the old version and want to clear it out, hence markup the EVO price.
    There wasn't a markup, but it was discounted since it was the older series. I paid ~$420 for everything (Front M4 183mm, Rear X2 160mm, both braided lines, floating rotors, and matchmaker).
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    good deal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonylokrn View Post
    There wasn't a markup, but it was discounted since it was the older series. I paid ~$420 for everything (Front M4 183mm, Rear X2 160mm, both braided lines, floating rotors, and matchmaker).
    Yeah, that's a really good deal. Nice pick up.

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    hi all, i just wanted to bump this up and see if anyone has saddle time on the evo's and see what differences there in power. i am peronally looking to maximize braking power on a 170mm bike, but without the weight of a shimano saint brakeset.

    is the new m4 evo in the same ballpark as the saint? according to bikeradar's test, the standard tech m4 was about 15% less powerful than the saints...

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    IMO Its the adjustability & modulation along with the build quality of the Hope system that makes them the best ,there like jewelery. I run the M4 with 203 /183 floating rtrs. on my Canfield, The One, as well as 203/160 on my Turner 5 spot & Sultan. Ive been all over North America and love these brakes !

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    Finally got an actual ride out in the trails on the Hope Tech M4/X2 brakeset today. Performed wonderfully and the reach/bpc is so convenient.

    Shortening the hose was fairly easy, I did break the brass compression fitting, but Hope USA promptly mailed me out a few extras. Bleeding was a breeze and doesn't require any bleed kit; your local hardware store should stock vinyl/pvc tubes that are normally used for fridges and would fit perfectly on the caliper nipple with a ziptie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonylokrn View Post
    Finally got an actual ride out in the trails on the Hope Tech M4/X2 brakeset today. Performed wonderfully and the reach/bpc so so convenient.

    Shortening the hose was fairly easy, I did break the brass compression fitting, but Hope USA promptly mailed me out a few extras. Bleeding was a breeze and doesn't require any bleed kit; your local hardware store should stock vinyl/pvc tubes that are normally used for fridges and would fit perfectly on the caliper nipple with a ziptie.
    Agreed on all accounts! By the way, you can get a "one man brake bleed" kit at an autoparts store that is SUPER convenient for bleeding the brakes.

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    Did you get the levers to stop dripping? I can't seem to get rid of the drips, even with brand new diaphragms.
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    Love the power and modulation of Hopes - always their strong points. Their weak point - squeal. I know many brakes squeal when wet but my X2s SCREAM when wet. I do mean scream.

    How are these when wet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Agreed on all accounts! By the way, you can get a "one man brake bleed" kit at an autoparts store that is SUPER convenient for bleeding the brakes.

    Amazon.com: OEM 25036 Bleed-O-Matic One-Man Brake Bleeder Kit: Home Improvement

    Did you get the levers to stop dripping? I can't seem to get rid of the drips, even with brand new diaphragms.
    Hmm..I haven't had any problems with dripping or seepage. I remembered reading somewhere not to overtighten the cap, so I just snugged it up instead.

    Only problem I had was that I left brake fluid on one of my XO shifters too long and it wore the XO badging off of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    Love the power and modulation of Hopes - always their strong points. Their weak point - squeal. I know many brakes squeal when wet but my X2s SCREAM when wet. I do mean scream.

    How are these when wet?
    I think just about any disc brakes would squeal when wet...but I heard that the Magura were one of the better ones for wet conditions.

    IMO, the Hopes are much, much better than the Avids that I previously had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    Love the power and modulation of Hopes - always their strong points. Their weak point - squeal. I know many brakes squeal when wet but my X2s SCREAM when wet. I do mean scream.

    How are these when wet?
    What rotors are you running? "screaming" is a relative term, but yes the damn things are LOUD when they get wet. I suspect its the pad compound. Not a big deal for me here in SoCal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    What rotors are you running? "screaming" is a relative term, but yes the damn things are LOUD when they get wet. I suspect its the pad compound. Not a big deal for me here in SoCal.
    I actually remember reading a post that the the Hope provided pads were not very good overall. What pads would you recommend when it is time to change them out?

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    I noticed that the stock organic Hope pads lack in power, have long bedding in period and are loud when wet. I got Goodridge sintered pads, and they are much less noisy and more powerful. Installed them in the front and kept the original pads in the rear which made a good combo.
    I run Tech M4 f&r with Shimano RT76 6-bolt rotors.

    Back to topic, a quick question: are the new Evo levers (just the levers, not the complete MC body) retro-fittable to the old Tech MC?
    Not sure if I'm going to upgrade the levers, since the M4s with proper pads have enough power for me as they are, just wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonylokrn View Post
    I actually remember reading a post that the the Hope provided pads were not very good overall. What pads would you recommend when it is time to change them out?

    Thanks!
    I'm still running the stock pads and to be honest, am happy with them now that they've bedded in. However, the next set of pads will either be goodridge or EBC. Both have good reviews.
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    hope m4 V2, haye stroker ace or shimano

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    Look for some advice as i need a new set of brakes, looking for good modulation not a grabby setup the bike is setup up for AM i read on this thread that the shimano's have better stopping power although according to bikeradar's scientific test the hopes m4's came out on top second only to the formula stuff (to expensive for me)

    not to bothered about weight as there replacing some hope open2's (yes old i know, but good brakes) im pretty much sold on the hope m4/x2 setup. can anyone talk me out of it?

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    No experience with the newer shimano stuff, but I've been loving the power and modulation of the M4/X2 setup. Modulation is much, much better than the Avids that I replaced.

    I've messed around with the Formula brakes and the lever felt awkward to me.
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    hope m4 X2 V2

    Ive got 9sp xtr shifters, after googling around i understand theres sometime a problem with setting the hope levers up with regards to the flip/flop nature of the reservoir caps ie. the underneath one . has anyone got any advice on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzy1969 View Post
    Ive got 9sp xtr shifters, after googling around i understand theres sometime a problem with setting the hope levers up with regards to the flip/flop nature of the reservoir caps ie. the underneath one . has anyone got any advice on this?
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    As in leaking?

    Your best interest would be to personally re-seat all four gaskets using their recommended rolling method. Best to do it at the same time you shorten and re-bleed the brakes.
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    hope m4 X2 V2

    Hav'nt ordered them yet thou i really do want to, its width or fatness of the Reservoir caps with regards to fitting next to the shimano xtr shifters (bottom cap v close to the top click down shifter) i think its possible although it might not be very comfortable. Ive kinda got my heart set on the hope setup but if theres any doubt ill have to reconsider for a more straight forward lever/reservoir setup like avid juicy x0's or shimano 666 xtr. i was wondering if anybody has the hope m4 x2 or v2 levers setup with xtr shifters?
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    Ah, I think see what you are saying now.

    I run Hopes on all my bikes but use SRAM shifters, with Hope matchmakers.

    I think they make matchmakers for Shimano/XTR as well?
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    Yeah there are matchmakers for Shimano. Looks like the XTR version is available.

    Hope Tech Matchmaker Clamps | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com

    I find the angle of my XO shifters with the matchmaker very comfortable, especially since I can adjust the thumb shifter.
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    Me as well. I have x9 on two bikes and the positioning is pretty much perfect, and x0 going on my next build here in a few weeks.
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    thanks,
    looks my old faithful xtr m952 shifters aren't compatible with the matchmaker. im gonna have to re-think this as a new set of pods and matchmaker bump the upgrade up quite a bit

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    had a chat with hope seems i just have to take to indicator windows off which ill have a look at later guess ill have to find a way of blanking the holes off to stop mud getting in.
    thanks for the help

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzy1969 View Post
    Hi,
    Look for some advice as i need a new set of brakes, looking for good modulation not a grabby setup the bike is setup up for AM i read on this thread that the shimano's have better stopping power although according to bikeradar's scientific test the hopes m4's came out on top second only to the formula stuff (to expensive for me)

    not to bothered about weight as there replacing some hope open2's (yes old i know, but good brakes) im pretty much sold on the hope m4/x2 setup. can anyone talk me out of it?
    I'd go Hopes (which I have) or Shimano (powerful but a bit grabby compared to Hope) and if the Stroker Ace are anything like the Stroker Trails (which I owned) would steer well clear of Hayes.

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    thanks,
    going to get the calipers seals done on my old hope open2 they've only had a seasons riding despite being over 10 years old so are in pretty immaculate condition and despite the weight are quite a powerful setup with 203mm and a nice feel compared to some modern avids i had a go on which where just to grabby for me. Ill get the M4(front) and the V2 (back) together over the course of the year along with some xtr m970 (this was the killer as my old xtr's work fine and the new ones are £160 on top of the brakes) and the matchmakers get that sorted winter time.

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    Anybody know if the Hope X2 Evo race brakes are available in any color other than the black/green?
    thx

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    yes the ali/black version is still available the black/green is a special edition

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    Does anyone know the weight difference for a single X2 vs M4 brake? I'm considering a M4 in front, as long as it isn't too heavy.

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    theres a x2 tech evo and a x2 race evo the tech evo is quite a bit less powerful/heavier than the race version id run a m4 on the front and a x2 or v2 on the back. i cant post links yet but bikeradar has a lot of info regarding power/weight stuff regarding brakes.

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    V2 is the most powerful brake Hope make. The total surface area of two 25mm pistons in V2 is approximately 22% larger than the 4 16mm pistons in M4. Assuming the lever and the master cylinder piston surface are is constant, the larger area of the pistons in V2 would result in a higher hydraulic ratio and theoretically more brake power.

    The Race Evo lever is able to generate more power by using the same principle; the smaller MC and closer pivot location ramps up the mechanical and hydraulic ratios of the lever, increasing the pressure and therefore brake power.
    And if you are wondering, the ratio cannot be increased past a certain point, as a higher mechanical/hydraulic ratio results in less piston movement but more pressure. At some point the pistons simply don't retract enough to clear the disc properly, resulting in constant brake rub and drag.

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    The V2 is quite a bit more powerful than the M4. I've got the V2's on my DH bike, and M4's on the other two.

    The difference is immediately noticeable.
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    I'm using Tech Evo M4/X2 with fixed 183mm rotors on my Mojo HD. They work awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by two-one View Post
    Does anyone know the weight difference for a single X2 vs M4 brake? I'm considering a M4 in front, as long as it isn't too heavy.
    Front Tech Evo M4 w/bolts, no rotor, no adapter = 278g
    Front Tech Evo X2 w/bolts, no rotor, no adapter = 252g

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bati View Post
    Front Tech Evo M4 w/bolts, no rotor, no adapter = 278g
    Front Tech Evo X2 w/bolts, no rotor, no adapter = 252g
    Is that Tech Evo X2 weight with the SS braided lines or lighter black poly lines?
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    That's got to be with the black poly lines. My uncut front Tech M4 with SS lines was 325g.
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