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    Moving early 90's cantilver brakes to a new frame (Barracuda A2E)

    I've got a set of early 90's cantilever brakes that I'm trying to move over to a '94 Barracuda A2E frame. The challenge I'm faced with is that the rear pivot fitting is designed to be mounted rather than floating. The Barracuda frame just has a hole in the center of the round cross-tube vs. the old frame which had a raised, threaded bung welded onto the square cross-tube. Just wondering if anyone has used this type of setup on one of these frames and how they did it. Here's some pics of the hardware I'm trying to use, as it was mounted on my Crestone Peak VO2Max frame (which cracked).










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    You need a: hanging(from the existing seat clamp) cablestop, a straddle cable and yoke. Any older LBS should have these lying around somewhere, or they can be ordered new for a few dollars. From the corroded appearance of the cables, I would also suggest new cables and housings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    You need a: hanging(from the existing seat clamp) cablestop, a straddle cable and yoke.
    Great, thanks. By any chance does this brazed-on fitting do anything for me?

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    This is probably something that might work. If not, it's kind of the concept you'll need to get the brakes to work without some kind of current cable stop.

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    Good luck, let us know what you work out. I love these kinds of projects.

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    Why not just go center-pull cantilever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmats View Post
    This is probably something that might work. If not, it's kind of the concept you'll need to get the brakes to work without some kind of current cable stop.

    Funky Monkey Rear from Paul Component Engineering
    Nice, but it's kinda hard to justify spending $50 for a part on a frame that cost me $30. I'm thinking something like this might do the trick for $2....

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    Here's a slighty more upscale version for ~$5...

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    Or maybe the Surly version for $10...

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    Any thoughts on which one to go with?

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    The top one is what I would go with, or running the rear housing through the braze-on eyelet would work as well, however the cable stop would be better. Good luck with your build, keep us up to date with photo's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    The top one is what I would go with, or running the rear housing through the braze-on eyelet would work as well
    Thanks for the input but I got a couple recommendations on using the Surly, so that's what I ordered today. I should soon have this turned back into a functional bike - looking forward to the first ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPDISXR4Ti View Post
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    Okay, all my parts arrived yesterday and I'm trying to figure this out with the Surly hanger. The part that is confusing me is the lack of a rear cable stop on the Barracuda, so you can't run a typical short housing that would go in place between the rear cable stop and the Surly hanger. Do I just run a long length of housing between the back side of the front cable stop and the Surly hanger? That seems like the only reasonable solution. Maybe put a zip-tie around it on the front so that it's got a little more of a positive fitment?

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    I'm not sure why your new frame lacks a top tube rear cable stop, but by all means a zip tie will work well. Let's see photo's when it's finished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    I'm not sure why your new frame lacks a top tube rear cable stop
    It was a bad design on the early Barracudas, fixed on the later ones. I just cut a housing the full length from the back side of the front cable stop all the way to the Surly hanger. Now that it's in place, I could probably do without zip-tieing it at all, but I probably will any way.

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    Greetings Again;
    Interlock Housing Stops, from Universal Cycles.com would be much cleaner, and more professional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    Interlock Housing Stops, from Universal Cycles.com would be much cleaner, and more professional.
    Thanks, but my solution seems to be working, and in this case, good enough is indeed good enough....




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    Great looking bike, you did an amazing build, enjoy!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skoda View Post
    Great looking bike, you did an amazing build, enjoy!!!!
    Thanks. Still in need of some tweaks and adjustments, but I'm happy with how it turned out.

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    Great looking bike, turned out well.

    2 suggestions if you want more rear brake power, the straighter (or shorter) you get the straddle cable the more leverage you get on the cantilevers, it's a dramatic difference but you've got to balance tire clearance.

    The second, since you've got a full run of cable housing from lever to brake you'll get snappier response from 5mm shifter cable housing (compressionless), also a pretty noticeable difference.

    Purple powerstraps - YES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriously_tho View Post
    2 suggestions if you want more rear brake power, the straighter (or shorter) you get the straddle cable the more leverage you get on the cantilevers, it's a dramatic difference but you've got to balance tire clearance.
    Thanks for this tip. I was totally wondering how to best set this up, and you've now answered that question. Since I built this bike to be "hyrbrid-ish", it won't ever see knobby tires; that should enable me to get the straddle cable closer to flat.

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    Purple powerstraps - YES!
    LOL! When I first built the Crestone Peak frame with these purple components back in the mid-90's, I just kept going with the "everything purple" look. I think I like them even better against the black frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPDISXR4Ti View Post
    Great, thanks. By any chance does this brazed-on fitting do anything for me?

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    The braze on is a guide for the bare cable. Use housing to the front stop and then just the cable all the way to the brake.
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    The only thing missing are purple QR's on the wheels & post clamp. I may have some laying around somewhere...

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    Wow, great looking build! Love the old school fork and other bits and pieces. Great job!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriously_tho View Post
    The only thing missing are purple QR's on the wheels & post clamp. I may have some laying around somewhere...
    I'd be more than happy to liberate them from your cold, dark basement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmats View Post
    Wow, great looking build! Love the old school fork and other bits and pieces. Great job!!
    Thanks. I considered selling the AMP fork and keeping this a low-buck build, but I've owned it for 20 years, so I've gotten rather attached to it.

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    The bad news - most of these are Ti & I get the sense you're trying to keep this thing cheap.

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    Better - get this set, $12 shipped, can't beat that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriously_tho View Post
    Better - get this set, $12 shipped, can't beat that.
    Thanks. But perhaps I should turn my brain on and realize that I already have a set of these!

    Now installed - new pics!

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    Thanks for the inadvertent reminder!

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