Magura M2 vs. Shimano SLX (m666, m675) vs. Shimano XT (m785) vs. Deore
Hey MTBR, I apologize I can't format this post well since the enter button doesn't seem to work in this post so this is going to be a long paragraph . Anyway, I am looking to upgrade my Tekro Novela/SD7 brake set up. I was leaning towards the Megara M2's since Megara sounds like a quality brand, and the "budget" set up supposedly has the same power as the flagship M8's, which sounds wonderful! They are the most expensive option, at $120ish with rotors (I like the brake rotor package as it sounds they are supposed to work well together) and $90 without. I then stumbled upon SLX (m666, standard and IceTech and m675 IceTech) for $79-89 and XT m775 for $99, XT m785 for $89, and m785 IceTech for $120. I would need to purchase the rotors separately for $20, so that also puts me in the $120-$140 range per side. Of those options, what do you think is the best bang for buck in that grouping? Any glaring cons for the Shimanos, and where do the Maguras match up? I really like the sound of the Maguras since they are a little less prevalent, but I hear nothing but good things, but are Shimanos higher end offerings a better choice? Lastly, how about those Deores? Sound like great bang for the buck! A little more about me; I am a newer rider and a pretty large guy at 6'3" 215 so brakes mean a lot to me, and my Novelas are pretty scary. I like to pretend that I ride "all mountain-ish," and would like to eventually ride trails like that. In reality, I ride more or less "Trail" if I had to label it, although it is mostly little more than intense XC. What we should take away is this - I crash often and need something that won't break at the first sign of abuse. Clif-notes: Large guy rides hard. Needs brakes that rock. Not looking to spend more than $120 per side. Which brakes would you chose and why? Thank you for taking the time to read this wall of text!
they are all good choices.. personally I find the Magura's a tad better.. they feel a bit better in the mid areas (modulation,.. or just bleeding off speed not just out right stopping)
also find setup/install and repairs a bit easier...
I believe as you go up in model's of the Shimano's you are basically just saving weight but haven't had too much play time with the XT or XTR brakes so someone with more hands on can comment better....
Shimano Deore M596 brakes are a bargain and are exceptional value. Great quality, easy to set up and have loads of power, enough for easy 1-finger braking. Get SLX if you have more money to burn.
I also did a lot of research since my Hayes Stroker Ryde which came with my bike was weak for me (5'9" and 200 lbs) and even a caliper overhaul/bleeding didn't improve the power a lot. I'm a fan of Magura so I looked at the MT2/MT4 but I heard a lot of people raving about the M596/M785 brakes for their power and ease of maintenance.
In the end, I bought the M785 (Found a deal for 109$ shipped) and I'm waiting for it to get here. The main reason I went with this one instead of the Magura is due to the parts availability at our local LBS and the excellent warranty service. I'd still get the Magura Storm SL rotors to save some weight.
All of those brakes are excellent so the remaining question is to determine what is your maximum budget and the warranty service/parts availability around your area to pick the right one.
Thanks for the insight about the Maguras! I like the sound of the ease of maintenance/repairs and being a bit better for the essentially the same price. Weight is not a very big issue for me. Plus, and this is the least important reason, I like that Magura isn't as common as Shimano/Avid, so I like the uniqueness.
Originally Posted by thomllama
I do like a bargain! I just got a little nervous in reading a thread in which the rear MC took a dump (recent thread). Could be a lemon, but things tend to spontaneously combust on me. Still an option as price is a big deal for me since I'm basically a year-round student this year and I wont be able to work as much as I'd like to.
Originally Posted by divernick
Very good point about the replacement parts. Shimano is more common and therefore I assume parts will be as well. Stuff tends to go wrong for me quite and ease of repair/getting my hands on parts is important. I hate downtime!
Originally Posted by Xilikon
I have Magura MT2's (that is what you mean by M2?). They, as all Maguras I have used, have great modulation, easy setup, pretty easy bleed, and decent power. If you are a XC rider (no extended downhills), then they will work fine. But, I wouldn't use mine on extended downhill trails because they do not have enough power for me (6'3" also, but 250lbs). While I am a still a Magura fan, the MT2s have less power than the old Louise's I used to run. I wouldn't put them on my bigger bikes.
It is difficult to not consider Shimano. Lots of them out there and getting good rep. Last year I almost purchased a set of XTs for the big bike, but purchased a set of Formula RXOs instead. I am a fan of the older Formulas, so I wanted to try a newer version. Still interested in the XTs, and still might try those one day. Oh, by the way, the MT2s are not even in the same power class as the RXO.
MT2 is a good choice for XC or a little harder riding, but the Shimanos would also be a good choice. Not certain about customer support for Shimanos, but CS for Maguras is still top notch (search the threads). CS is worth a lot when you have those pesky problems that are not easily solved. And, no matter how good a component is, there can always be that special problem.
Thank you for the informative post, clydecrash! I did mean MT2 (and MT8 lol), I had a bit of a brain fart on that one!
Maybe Shimanos would be a better bet - I don't consider myself a downhiller, nor do I see myself riding downhill any time soon, but I would like to get into more gravity oriented riding. Maybe down the road a little ways but they would be great to grow into.
However, these points lean me towards MT2's (since I was a little biased that way anyway haha) but stopping is pretty important to me haha.
Originally Posted by clydecrash
I'd go with the Magura's over the Shimano's.. but it is really close... I find "parts" for brakes a toss up as most bike shops at least round here carry nothing in brake parts other than cables/pads and some Mech stuff.. nothing hydro without ordering.
I do think the Shimano's are a tad more powerful but I find them a little more on/off-ish and for XC/basic trail riding I like the extra modulation over down right lock up power and have yet to find a spot where I can't stop with the Maguras... but there isn't much in the long steep hills round here.. some long.. some steep.. not both
Clydecrash does make a few good point for both thou
honestly either one you'll probably be happy with... If ya don't mind the wait and don't mind ordering direct from china there is a wicked deal on the shimmy's right now on ebay.. like 80 bucks or something for both front and back brakes with free shipping... looks like there is some minor paint blemishes (white color) which is why they are cheap.. (or they could be knock off...? thou Ebay is pretty good at catching that and stopping it, thou it takes time)
I do like the looks of the Mag's better too.. not that that matter when riding LOLOLOLOLO
take some pic's after you decide and get which ever.. we like bike porn here :P
I think I'm going to go with the MT2s
That is, unless someone can convince me that SLX M666s with 180/160 rotors will be vastly superior in the next week or two until I pick up the MT2s
Either are a solid choice and neither will be vastly superior. I haven't put my hands on the SLX, but have checked out the XT and XTR models. Like someone mentioned earlier, the biggest difference is going to come in the weights.
I've bled/set-up the MT2's and own the MT8's, and haven't had any issues. The stock organic pads burn out pretty quick, but it's better to have the sintered anyways -- more stopping power.
Also, on replacement parts...Magura will deal directly with the consumer, instead of having to go through a LBS or online shop, like with Shimano.
Hello Carolina Panther and thanks to everyone for youexcellent input and information!
One other point to consider in this comparison. The Magura MT's are a single brake SKU front or rear so it uses a flip flop master cylinder VS. the SLX. This is only a big deal if you ever need an MC or want to flip the brakes for moto or Euro style braking with the front brake being on the right. Orientation is either sided and normal abnd easy to deal with.
Also, We make only one pad profile (3 compounds) for all of the models MT8, 6, S, 4, and 2 and don't dedicate a pad per brake wihch is a nice feature when time to replace a pad.
Note : Power can be increased 20% by going with larger rotors so you should be able to find sufficient and impressive power compared to the Formula but with much more feel.
Thanks for considering Magura!
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