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    I was gonna buy some Elixirs but...

    pretty much all the reviews are horrible. Thought I might replace my BB7's with Elixir 7's to drop 300 grams but I'm weary now. Are the bad brakes or are people dumb?
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    2012's should be a lot better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
    2012's should be a lot better.
    Why?

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    Better quality control during manufacturer.
    and a few design changes mentioned here

    To further address the issue, Avid have reconfigured their production bleed process and facilities. “The downside of the current design is that if you have a bad bleed or air in the system you can also move air into the system really well,” said Paul Kantor, SRAM’s category manager for brake systems and mountain bike wheels. “That was a challenge for us; we fell down a bit in terms of our consistency of the bleed from our factory. It was a bit of a black eye.

    "As of a year ago, we stopped production for a couple of weeks over Chinese New Year and we rebuilt every one of our bleed machines. It takes six to seven months to rebuild all of those machines; we’ve done that now. We've completely refined our measurement methods as to how we detect good or bad bleeds and the new machines mimic [our hand bleeding process].
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    Both. Some people don't know how to work on brakes, and the elixirs take more time to get them right. And If you are like me I could never get mine quiet.

    But I'm going to say go for the new XT or XTR trail brake, they really do preform well, easy, and silent.
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    I've ridden my Elixir CRs for the past two years. Minimal complaints for how cheap I got 'em. They suffer a bit when it comes to modulation, but I'm using 203/185mm rotors.
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    I think 2011 was a really bad year for Elixir. I have a set of 2010 Cr's and I've never had a single problem with them, they aren't even noisy. On the other hand I've had 2 sets of 2011 Elixir's (R's to start then warrantied for a set of 5's) both have had a ton of problems. I am currently waiting for yet another warranty replacement set. My suggestion would be to wait until the 2012 brakes have been out for a while to make sure Sram fixed the problem, or go with a different manufacturer.

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    I've never had troubles with them. I think the key is not being impatient in the set up. I've also never had an issue bleeding them except for one time when I thought I was smarter than everyone and could cut some corners on some steps to save maybe 3 minutes of time or something. Yeah, that was a bad idea. The subsequent bleed after that lapse of sense came out just fine.
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    I have been using a pair of Juicy 5´s for the last 3 years. I haven't had one bad day riding them up and down mountains including a couple days of downhill runs at the local bike park. I've taken them on Epic rides over 13000ft and they still worked. As they are way older technology than what is currently available I wanted to upgrade to something with more adjust-ability. I also read all the reviews and started making up my mind until I came across this review:

    Avid Elixirs for 2012 | NSMB.e.MAGAZINE - Freeride, Extreme and North Shore style Mountain Biking

    It seems like for 2012 Avid addressed most of the issues of the previous Elixir line by identifying where the air got trapped and re-developed/designed the way in how the brake is bled etc. I bought a pair of 2012 X9´s run 200/180 and I am more than pleased, definitively all the adjust-ability I wanted.

    I like Shimano and I like Avid, I like any brand passionate about assisting us in enhancing our ability when riding, trusting our hardware. A friend of mine has the new 785 XT´s and loves them. I think all these brakes are top notch and user preference is what it will come down to IMO, Peace

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    Widgeontrail,
    I have a brand new, 2012 bike in the shop getting the brakes swapped out. I chose the XT's over the Elixir 9's, just because I have always had Shimano's. Like I said, the bike is new, it hasn't left the shop yet. I can make you a good deal on the Elixir's. PM me if interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitzikatzi View Post
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    Because of how much faith I've lost in Sram, I personally wouldn't buy into that statement.

    Admittedly it seems that the majority of people complaining about any brake is the result of improper setup, however I still feel that there is a higher rate of inconsistency experienced with Avid brakes. I definitely enjoy my friend's Code's on his old Dirtbag, but those are the only Avid brakes I can say I have truly enjoyed. Besides that, my own experience with Elixir 3 brakes was poor and I generally don't hear the best things about other Elixir's in the lineup. They're most definitely capable of being good, but with the uncomfortable (in my opinion) lever blade and the difficulty commonly experienced with these brakes, I wouldn't recommend them. I really enjoy my XTR brakes. Just don't get resin pads, whatever you do.

    edit: I am especially frustrated with Sram/Avid/Truvativ/RS customer support. giant load, if you ask me
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    Admittedly it seems that the majority of people complaining about any brake is the result of improper setup, however I still feel that there is a higher rate of inconsistency experienced with Avid brakes.
    While true I would expect pre-bled brakes to work perfectly and have no issues--there's no way to set them up improperly. That said I liked my juicy 7s, tried the newer elixirs a couple of times and wasn't a fan. Hopefully they have improved them.

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    FWIW, I have been using Avid brakes, Juicy's and Elixers, for many years on a few different bikes and have had very few issues despite my aggressive riding style. My brakes rarely rub and NEVER repeat NEVER make noise. I ride with a few guys who bash my Avid brakes on every ride and constantly extol the virtues of Shimano. However, I have noticed a few things: 1) on just about every ride, someone has brake squeal and honking, and it is not me. 2) on just about every ride, someone complains about brake rub and it is not me. 3) when we mess around on each others' bikes, I notice a marked dearth of power from shimano brakes.

    I am not a fanboy of any particular brand. I really don't care what brands people use, and my own decisions are made exclusively based on performance. That said, my Avid XO Elixers have not let me down and provide awesome power and modulation.

    I don't know why others have sooooo many problems. I take the time to set them up and keep them clean and they reward me with near flawless performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litany View Post
    While true I would expect pre-bled brakes to work perfectly and have no issues--there's no way to set them up improperly. That said I liked my juicy 7s, tried the newer elixirs a couple of times and wasn't a fan. Hopefully they have improved them.
    Unfortunately, when dealing with the integrity of Avid, I have found that my idealizations dissolved quickly once they were faced with the reality of the matter. Certainly, the brakes can work, and I'm sure they can also work well, I just think it's a matter of personal preference-which is greatly reflected by the experiences one has with the product/company. With any company, you'd think you would deserve a fair sense of service when dealing with product difficulties after spending thousands on products from that company, but that hasn't been the case with Sram, and for that I don't have any immediate plans in terms of being a returning customer. Something about taking 4 weeks to return a shock to me, still faulty, as well as numerous hick-ups with sales-reps and customer service with Avid and RockShox. Fortunately, my drivetrain is still reliable. For now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by litany View Post
    While true I would expect pre-bled brakes to work perfectly and have no issues--there's no way to set them up improperly. That said I liked my juicy 7s, tried the newer elixirs a couple of times and wasn't a fan. Hopefully they have improved them.
    They can easily be set up improperly with the tri-align system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmanchin View Post
    They can easily be set up improperly with the tri-align system.
    You bring up a valid point. Maybe it's not just about poor quality control, perhaps it's also a overly complicated basic design. A design that requires much more work, to get acceptable results, than any of it's mainstream competitors. Is Sram just chasing it's own tail in trying to nurse a bad design along? It might be time to go back to the drawing board !

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmanchin View Post
    They can easily be set up improperly with the tri-align system.
    Or you can set them up correctly in a minute or so. A poor tradesman always blames his/her tools.
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    I've got a pair of Alixirs 1 for 2012 on my new Giant. Seem very, very solid.
    Brake lever feel is impecable, and to my surprise, the tri-align washers are gone.

    However, removed them from the bike due to weight. Currently awaiting to be put on my beater bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitzikatzi View Post
    Or you can set them up correctly in a minute or so. A poor tradesman always blames his/her tools.
    A company with poor ethics makes their products difficult to assemble when it should be a simple process

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    I was just about to pull the trigger on a pair of Elixir CR X9 's, but decided to do a more extensive review of them. What I read on MTBR reviews did not give me a positive feeling. I have Juicy 7 's on my bike now, with less than a year of riding on them. I've had not one problem as of this post. I am in the process now of building a parts list for a new build and I penciled Avids in without giving it a second thought. I looked at the Elixir line-up and decided on the CR X9, but after reading the reviews, I didn't like what I was reading. I'm now looking at the 2012 Elixir 7 's. So far I'm encouraged by the reviews I've been reading, including the one posted earlier. I usually stick with something that has worked for me in the past, and given me no problems, and the Juicy's have done just that. I'm not a genius when it comes to working on my own bikes, so I like my components to work well without a lot of problems. I can do the minor stuff, but I leave it up to my LBS for the bigger things.
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    Hi i was looking at buying some new hydraulics for my bike i have clarks s2 at the minute and im having problems with them which shimano brakes are the best to go for ive seen the new shimano deore brake set and the new shimano slx m666 but also i have seen the shimano slx m665 and i dont no which to go for any ideas will be very greatful.
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    i think the m666 are the newer version of slx hydro's

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    So the slx m665 aren't any good then I seen a set I live for £95 brand new.
    Ave u used or no who has used the new shimano deore 2012 brakes are they any hood not seen any reviews of then about

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    Only a fool would buy any flavor of Avid brakes with the other brand offerings available now a days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason6416 View Post
    So the slx m665 aren't any good then I seen a set I live for £95 brand new.
    Ave u used or no who has used the new shimano deore 2012 brakes are they any hood not seen any reviews of then about
    you know what, i think 665 might just be the brake lever thats why youre not finding anything

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    The slx m665 comes with brake lever and caliper

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    has anyone used the new shimano deore 2012 m596 brakes are they any good

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    I have 5 mtb. 4 have Avid and 1 with Hopes.Granted they are older but the Hopes have been the most problematic at this point. Noise, Lack of power, sticking pistons. That being said Ive been able to work through all the issues as they come up.
    Most of the complaints I hear are about setup. The Avids might be a little finicky to set up, but if you pay attention and apply a little common sense they can be done quickly and easily.

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    I have the first version of the CRs. They were my first hydraulic brakes -- moved from BB7s. They were fantastic for a while. But now, even after rebuilding levers, the seals seem to hitch up and air is easily pulled into the system when bleeding them. However, with patience, they always seem to come out working decently. They have certainly dealt with a few days of resort riding without issue, even after the lever seal problems developed.

    My guess is that the new ones are fine, but I am buying new XTs this month based on reviews about fantastic power and easy servicing.

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    Yea, it's a tough call. I suspect that the 2012's are much better than the previous models. I do think for the most part Avid/Sram makes quality stuff. I have also considered the XT's, but they're a bit more expensive.

    Maybe i should stick with my BB7's which have been pretty much problem free. Don't remember the last time i had a problem other than adjusting the lever feel/pad engagement.
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    I have 2012 Elixir 7's on one bike & they are trouble free but I have 2011 Elixir 1's on another & they scream like a banshee.

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    Don't do it.

    I bought my Elixirs, and Codes, based on the quality and performance of two sets of Juicy 7s I owned. Never had a problem with either set of Juicys. Great power, modulation, easy to bleed, and quiet.

    Fast forward to my current situation.

    Elixirs shipped with one faulty rotor. Uneven thickness caused complete loss of power on a third of the rotor. Called SRAM. Their lame CS policy forced me to send the rotor back to the place of purchase before any progress on warranty could take place, despite this being an obvious manufacturing defect. Receive new rotor. Brakes work fine for a few weeks, then the turkey gobbling begins. The rear adapter, rotor, or the caliper must be out of spec because the brake pads ride along the rotor spokes. Washers are used to raise the caliper, noise is mostly gone, but pulsing and choppy feel persist. Organic pads are installed, and help somewhat, at the loss of more power. Modulation never equals that of the Juicy, nor does the power.

    Codes work fine for a year. First bleed is done about that time, fluid inside is black. Something in the system is disintegrating, my guess is the o-rings, fouling the brake fluid with black gunk and debris. This gunk and debris completely clogged the lines necessitating new brake lines, twice. Calipers are also gunked, pistons seize. Caliper rebuild is done, twice. Bleeds last about a month before air gets into the system, or fluid gets out. SRAM is again completely unhelpful to me, the end user. At SRAM's request I take the bike into a local shop to have them diagnose. Shop says, "just needs a bleed". I tell the shop it was just done a month ago. Shop says they'll do another bleed, which I of course pay for. Three weeks later, air in system again. Worthless. Thankfully this is on my DH bike, so I only have to bleed the brakes about three times every summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyN View Post
    Don't do it.

    I bought my Elixirs, and Codes, based on the quality and performance of two sets of Juicy 7s I owned. Never had a problem with either set of Juicys. Great power, modulation, easy to bleed, and quiet.

    Fast forward to my current situation.

    Elixirs shipped with one faulty rotor. Uneven thickness caused complete loss of power on a third of the rotor. Called SRAM. Their lame CS policy forced me to send the rotor back to the place of purchase before any progress on warranty could take place, despite this being an obvious manufacturing defect. Receive new rotor. Brakes work fine for a few weeks, then the turkey gobbling begins. The rear adapter, rotor, or the caliper must be out of spec because the brake pads ride along the rotor spokes. Washers are used to raise the caliper, noise is mostly gone, but pulsing and choppy feel persist. Organic pads are installed, and help somewhat, at the loss of more power. Modulation never equals that of the Juicy, nor does the power.

    Codes work fine for a year. First bleed is done about that time, fluid inside is black. Something in the system is disintegrating, my guess is the o-rings, fouling the brake fluid with black gunk and debris. This gunk and debris completely clogged the lines necessitating new brake lines, twice. Calipers are also gunked, pistons seize. Caliper rebuild is done, twice. Bleeds last about a month before air gets into the system, or fluid gets out. SRAM is again completely unhelpful to me, the end user. At SRAM's request I take the bike into a local shop to have them diagnose. Shop says, "just needs a bleed". I tell the shop it was just done a month ago. Shop says they'll do another bleed, which I of course pay for. Three weeks later, air in system again. Worthless. Thankfully this is on my DH bike, so I only have to bleed the brakes about three times every summer.
    Yeah man I got negative rep twice on the last page for saying they have poor ethics, but your situation is a great example. Regardless of whether or not someone is struggling to set up their brakes, I simply feel that Sram does not take care of their customers in the way that they should. It doesn't mean that I believe they should baby us all, but really-**** their customer support. spending $500 on some metal and plastic to get kicked around on the phone is the lamest experience with customer support I have ever had.

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    I've got Elixir CRs on my SC Nomad. They've been going strong for years with no hassles at all. I'd buy another set without hesitation.
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    I've got Elixer CRs on two bikes, and they've both been great. I learned how to bleed them by watching SRAM's tech videos, and the process is easy enough if you're careful not to miss any steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    A company with poor ethics makes their products difficult to assemble when it should be a simple process
    I feel like the tri-align couldn't be simpler. Tighten the bolts, then back them off. Pump brakes and keep the lever squeezed while tightening the bolts. Done. Perfect.

    However, I did have a bunch of trouble with my Elixir CRs. The calipers blew a seal and I had to rebuild them. The rebuild was easy enough then when I went to bleed them another seal in the lever blew. That was it. I took them to the LBS for a warranty replacement. After 2 months, 2 LBSs and one r. brake replacement, replacement I ended up with some 2011 XOs. So far I like them. I'm going to put a 185 rotor on the rear for a bit more power. The XOs are light, adjustable, have great modulation and good power. The Avid bleed process is not as easy as the Shimano process and has resulted in some frustrating evenings. My Shimano's were actually pretty worry free.

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    By difficult to assemble, I mean I had the same experience that you did minus the seal in the lever blowing out. The tri-align setup is easy, but it's frustrating when you get new brakes and it does that-and for it to repeat for many, many other people.

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    pretty much all the reviews are horrible. Thought I might replace my BB7's with Elixir 7's to drop 300 grams but I'm weary now. Are the bad brakes or are people dumb?

    I've owned the Elixir R's (rougly analogous to Elixir 7's) in the past and would definitely say they're an improvement over the BB7's. The primary improvement however is not power but modulation, that doesn't sound like much but when you're going fast being able to get off the power quickly is just as important as being to apply it. When you're going fast with the Elixir 7's you can stop suddenly and disengage the brake quickly with the BB7's since they're mechanical brakes it's much harder to get off the power quickly so if you stop suddenly you're more likely to endo. Another factor with the Elixir 7's would be fatigue when you're very fatigued or you've been using alot of grip strength it's harder to use mechanical brakes for hydraullic brakes because you still have to supply much of the mechanical force.

    Are the Elixir 7's a worthwhile upgrade: absolutely. Will they give you more raw power: that 's questionable.

    If you're a power freak I would go with Code R's:they're much more powerful than the BB7's and have excellent modulation. Another choice would be the newer Shimano SLX or XT brakes, both brakes have had excellent reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyN View Post
    Codes work fine for a year. First bleed is done about that time, fluid inside is black. Something in the system is disintegrating, my guess is the o-rings, fouling the brake fluid with black gunk and debris. This gunk and debris completely clogged the lines necessitating new brake lines, twice. Calipers are also gunked, pistons seize. Caliper rebuild is done, twice. Bleeds last about a month before air gets into the system, or fluid gets out. SRAM is again completely unhelpful to me, the end user. At SRAM's request I take the bike into a local shop to have them diagnose. Shop says, "just needs a bleed". I tell the shop it was just done a month ago. Shop says they'll do another bleed, which I of course pay for. Three weeks later, air in system again. Worthless. Thankfully this is on my DH bike, so I only have to bleed the brakes about three times every summer.
    Thanks for sharing. This is interesting. About a year ago a guy brought his Codes to me for a bleed a few days after his regular bike shop had bled them. Fluid inside was black (see photo, syringe on the right). I told him it seemed like all the seals inside his brakes were getting eaten, probably by incompatible brake fluid or some other contamination or maybe they were just bad to begin with. I offered to flush his system and rebuild the brakes completely for him, but he said a friend of his in the bike industry says he sees black brake fluid all the time, so he declines to do it. I've never seen black brake fluid in normally operating brake systems. But he's obviously irritated that he's had to pay for a couple of back to back bleeds, and obviously doesn't want to spend anything more on his brakes. Fair enough. I don't blame him. Off he goes. (He later told me the bleed worked for a while, but then he ended up getting air in his system again somehow, which lends credence to the idea that something is eating the seal or there's some congenital issue with the brakes he has.)

    Your experience and his makes me wonder whether some mislabled or contaminated fluid got added to these brake systems somewhere along the line, either in production or post production. These incidents erode confidence in a brand, which is sad, but fair.

    I have to say that I've always found SRAM to be extremely easy and cheerful to deal with when it comes to warranty issues. As I said earlier on this post, all of my Avid brakes have worked very well through the years.

    Thanks for sharing your experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blister Butt View Post
    Thanks for sharing. This is interesting. About a year ago a guy brought his Codes to me for a bleed a few days after his regular bike shop had bled them. Fluid inside was black (see photo, syringe on the right). I told him it seemed like all the seals inside his brakes were getting eaten, probably by incompatible brake fluid or some other contamination or maybe they were just bad to begin with. I offered to flush his system and rebuild the brakes completely for him, but he said a friend of his in the bike industry says he sees black brake fluid all the time, so he declines to do it. I've never seen black brake fluid in normally operating brake systems. But he's obviously irritated that he's had to pay for a couple of back to back bleeds, and obviously doesn't want to spend anything more on his brakes. Fair enough. I don't blame him. Off he goes. (He later told me the bleed worked for a while, but then he ended up getting air in his system again somehow, which lends credence to the idea that something is eating the seal or there's some congenital issue with the brakes he has.)

    Your experience and his makes me wonder whether some mislabled or contaminated fluid got added to these brake systems somewhere along the line, either in production or post production. These incidents erode confidence in a brand, which is sad, but fair.

    I have to say that I've always found SRAM to be extremely easy and cheerful to deal with when it comes to warranty issues. As I said earlier on this post, all of my Avid brakes have worked very well through the years.

    Thanks for sharing your experience.
    I think we can rule out the brake fluid as the culprit. Avid fluid, Motul, and Pentosin all ended up black in my system, like the syringe in your photo.

    I think it must be the seals/o-rings Avid specs, and sadly, the seals/o-rings that are included in their Code rebuild kits (earlier models). After searching for aftermarket o-rings it immediately became clear that many are NOT suitable for braking systems, it seems plausible that the wrong o-rings were spec'd, or delivered.

    I have read many reports of issues with older Codes; black fluid, air in the system, but the newer models seem to get good reviews. Maybe SRAM discovered the root cause, and re-engineered the newer brakes to remedy. IDK. Just pisses me off that I'm still having these issues year after year and they do nothing to help.

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    I'm still considering the 2012 Elixir 7's. The price is right (on ebay). Might be worth the gamble to see if they've really improved. I think I might have fked up my rear BB7 so that may be the tipping point...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Widgeontrail View Post
    I'm still considering the 2012 Elixir 7's. The price is right (on ebay). Might be worth the gamble to see if they've really improved. I think I might have fked up my rear BB7 so that may be the tipping point...
    ive got 2012 elixir 9 and ive been using them pretty hard for about a month and i love how they modulate and feel, powerful too. They have been working perfect with no turkey gobble or any noise. I love them so much i might just pick up another set for my other bike.

    So many avid haters and bad reviews from older gen brakes. The new ones are fantastic and operate with perfection!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Widgeontrail View Post
    I'm still considering the 2012 Elixir 7's. The price is right (on ebay). Might be worth the gamble to see if they've really improved. I think I might have fked up my rear BB7 so that may be the tipping point...
    What are you looking to pay on eBay? I have a brand new set of 9's taken off a bike before it left the showroom. The rotors are 180/160, pics available. Please let me know if you are interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Widgeontrail View Post
    I'm still considering the 2012 Elixir 7's. The price is right (on ebay).
    After seeing firsthand and hearing about the sheer volume of disappointment over bike parts procured on ebay, I'm very sad to still see people considering it as a viable option. As the old saying goes, "Buyer beware!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blister Butt View Post
    After seeing firsthand and hearing about the sheer volume of disappointment over bike parts procured on ebay, I'm very sad to still see people considering it as a viable option. As the old saying goes, "Buyer beware!"
    Huh? I've been buying and selling bike stuff on eBay for over ten years and love it. I get good prices for my old gear and get good prices on stuff I buy. Granted you have to be careful what you buy and who it's from. If you screen the sellers it helps a lot. And eBay has gotten very serious about protecting buyers from bum products and sellers. I have no reservations about eBay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Widgeontrail View Post
    Huh? I've been buying and selling bike stuff on eBay for over ten years and love it. I get good prices for my old gear and get good prices on stuff I buy. Granted you have to be careful what you buy and who it's from. If you screen the sellers it helps a lot. And eBay has gotten very serious about protecting buyers from bum products and sellers. I have no reservations about eBay.
    Well congratulations! I hope your luck continues.
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    This is not an encouraging thread. I have a brand new set of 2011 X0 brakes that I won that I'll be installing on my new bike. The buildup requires bleeding the brakes. Wish me luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endo73 View Post
    This is not an encouraging thread. I have a brand new set of 2011 X0 brakes that I won that I'll be installing on my new bike. The buildup requires bleeding the brakes. Wish me luck!
    If you take a moment to read the instructions fully before you begin, and then follow the instructions carefully, your new brakes will give you a lifetime of joy and performance! That's better than wishing you luck, I think.

    Best regards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blister Butt View Post
    If you take a moment to read the instructions fully before you begin, and then follow the instructions carefully, your new brakes will give you a lifetime of joy and performance! That's better than wishing you luck, I think.

    Best regards.
    Indeed! Thanks!!!

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