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    Hygia Disc Brakes

    I posted this on the weight weenie forum already but since its apparently too generic a brand name for them (while being as light as XTR for 1/2 the price), figured it'd would get more attention in the brake forum. I won an ebay auction for some red annodized Hygia Elite disc brakes on ebay, and they arrived in the mail on wednesday and installed them yesterday and then rode them on a brisk but alas short ride due to my riding partner's Formula ORO K24s failing on her yet again (she fell slowspeed and the lever body broke where the pivot pin is for the lever... i had to juryrig it in place with a zip-tie so she could even use it to drag the rear brake at all).

    Out of the packaging from Taiwan, they were 291g for the front, 316g for the rear (lever, caliper, hose, and post-to-flange mount adapters installed), 23g for each package of hardware (2 stainless steel mounting bolts, 6 stainless steel rotor bolts), and the rotors were 207g for the pair (160mm 6-bolt). The levers have a reach adjustment, a two-bolt removable clamp (like formula, tektro, hope and many others) which uses T25 bolts instead of the more usual 3mm or 4mm allen head bolts, and they come in an annodized red, gold, or grey finish.

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    Performance wise they stopped my Haro Beasley quite well in technically singletrack, didn't exhibit any fade, and didn't have any unusual dragging issues. The pads look to be identical to what shimano uses for the XTR/XT calipers so sourcing replacements should be simple. They're also quite a good deal ($229USD for the brakes, $35USD shipping to N.A.) and it took about 1 1/2 weeks from payment for them to arrive at my door.

    I seriously recommend folks looking for an affordable light weight disc setup without resorting to rotors that are so cut out as to destroy pads quickly, or fancy Al/MMC rotors which take specific expensive pads, give these brakes a look. They also incidently make an even lighter brake called the USAGI that's actually cheaper ($199USD) but the manufacturer only rates it as being for light cross country usage where the Elite's are for XC/AM and bordering into light freeriding. I in any case am ordering more of them and will likely convert over several of my bikes to them. They're certainly lighter than anything I used previously.

    Incidently I checked the manufacturer's <a href="http://www.hygia.com.tw/index.asp?le=english">website</a> and its pretty detailed and it seems likely given the similarities of their brake designs to some other brands, that Hygia is the actual source manufacturer for the other ones.
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    Nice looking set up. They claim to use the XT/XTR pads so that makes pad replacement simple.
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    Something like that should get more attention. They look pretty sweet.
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    Any US support for those at all? Any special kit needed for bleeding? Do look nice.
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    I posted this on the weight weenie forum already but since its apparently too generic a brand name for them (while being as light as XTR for 1/2 the price), figured it'd would get more attention in the brake forum.
    Hah, they'll wait for either a rebranding from their favorite "lite" brand and then pay attention.

    ...or maybe wait until nino panders them.

    but alas short ride due to my riding partner's Formula ORO K24s failing on her yet again (she fell slowspeed and the lever body broke where the pivot pin is for the lever... i had to juryrig it in place with a zip-tie so she could even use it to drag the rear brake at all).
    Not possible, if you go by the forums. Formulas don't break and are teh bestest.

    Looking forward to hearing more about them.

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    Well so far her formula's have been a pain but they came stock on her RM Vertex Ladies so its not like she had much choice in the matter. Now that they're beyond the cheap replacement part stage (she's already replaced the brake line, the rear pads, and several fittings from a previous collision, and had to undergo about a dozen bleedings to get them to feel close to new again) she gets to go to something more reliable and supportable in canada. Hell, given the wait time, the hygia's are even good alternatives. To get a new formula master cylinder would take a week. Full set of hygia's a week and a half.

    I just ordered a set of the USAGI's to put on one of my more XC oriented bikes (replacing some rather retro Rockshox discs). I may order a set of them for her bike if she wants to spend that sorta dough. I told her she should try and sell her formulas (the front is fine, the rear is just good for parts now) to offset some of the cost of the new brakes.
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    Fart powered toy gun?

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    Can always count on Upie to keep obscure parts from past, present and future flowing through the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celly
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    I've seen those brakes on eBay, on occasion. I've wondered about them.Thanks for posting up with a review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T.
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    A followup update...

    Just a mini-update, haven't used the USAGI's yet. Was going to put them on my DosNiner when I built it but decided that since I wasn't using any other white parts, I'd order another set of Elites in the silver for it instead. So far my own momentary problem with the Elites has been a stuck piston seal that wouldn't let the master cylinder piston retract fully and that was discovered at the start of a ride (and fixed in 2 mins with some liquid wrench spray lube on the piston seals). No problems since and its experienced a LOT of mud since then. Also my USAGI's and the second set of Elites came with extra bits in the small parts bag. Olives, hydraulic line end fittings, and one of the banjo bolts for the caliper end. So any worries of not being able to support the brakes with say, a line replacement are now solved.
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    Any updates on the brakes?

    I'm interested in the Usagi but I certainly like the red anodized elites. I'm only 150 lbs on an Anthem X and was looking to upgrade my stock Deore hydraulic brakes to something a little (a lot) lighter.

    Looks like they're going for about 150 bucks now.

    Since you've had experience with both which would you choose? In terms of adjustibility and over all durability. I'm riding in Florida so long down hills aren't a concern.

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    My elites continue to work fine, bit of howling on the rotors lately but its the wet season here and you can't do a half-hour ride without even the top of your stem having mud on it afterwards. I still have not used my set of Usagi's, largely because the white colour scheme fits practically nothing in my collection until I assemble the '07 Rocky Mountain Blizzard frameset I'm selling. I may order a set of Usagi's in black with the price drop on ebay, since those would more readily go with the colour scheme of my own bikes. I'm planning to run Ashima AiRotors on them when I use them, so I'll probably switch to the shimano sintered pads at the same time. If I had to choose between them... well the Elites are easier to take off/put on thanks to the split-clamp on the levers, but the Usagi's have a nicer lever blade shape. I guess it depends for me right now on colours and the bike.
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    These sound like really nice brakes. How do they compare to the big brand's offerings?
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    Well I went ahead and took the plunge on the white Usagi brakes. The weight savings over my Deore brakes was attractive. Me being only 150lbs I'm not worried too much about the size.

    I'm really looking forward to getting these and putting them through their paces.

    I've got BB7's, Juicy Carbon, and Deore brakes to compare them to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popper252
    Well I went ahead and took the plunge on the white Usagi brakes. The weight savings over my Deore brakes was attractive. Me being only 150lbs I'm not worried too much about the size.

    I'm really looking forward to getting these and putting them through their paces.

    I've got BB7's, Juicy Carbon, and Deore brakes to compare them to.
    How're the Usagi brakes so far? Which Deore did you upgrade from?

    Would be nice if you could post up a review

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    The short and sweet: they work great and so far I'm extremely pleased. People ask me about them all the time and they're amazed when I tell them the price.

    When I get home from work later today I'll try to be a bit more thorough
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    Picture Overkill Hygia Usagi

    Alright, so I finally got a chance to take some pics tonight. I went a little crazy with the pics just because I know there is so little information out there about these brakes. I would have loved to see more pics when I was first researching them

    Anyways what can I say? These brakes rock!

    In general the construction is very solid. The lever feels great on your fingers. Uses easily replaceable XT pads. Didn't need bleeding and felt great out of the box. The only adjustment I needed to make was to fine tune my lever reach (red knob) and then adjust the pad contact point on each lever. No brake rub or drag using the typical caliper centering method (loosen caliper bolts, squeeze lever to center caliper over rotor, tighten bolts. Done.)

    In my opinion these are well worth the 160 dollar (shipped) price tag. I'm very very happy.

    Included in the box: 2x Rotors, 2x Fully assembled pre-bled brakes (levers, calipers, hose), 2x front and rear I.S. Mounts, and all mounting hardware. Only thing really missing was an instruction manual (who actually reads those anyways )

    My only one complaint is that the rear brake hose is maybe a centimeter or two too short on my full suspension frame. I would have preferred a little more breathing room in terms of length, but as they are out of the box they're still perfectly usable. They would probably be perfect on a hardtail with more direct hose routing. On my bike the hose is a little shorter than what I'd want. Just something to keep in mind when ordering these.

    Compared to my BB7s:
    Pros:
    • Tons more modulation. A lot less of an on/off feeling. (Although if you dial in your BB7's correctly you can alleviate a lot of that on/off feeling)
    • Much more finesse in braking.
    • I can finally brake using only one finger under all but the most extreme of stopping.
    • A ton lighter (Claimed weights are very accurate. About 258g for front caliper hose and lever minus the I.S. mount. 285g for rear due to longer hose and inclusion of I.S. mount. The included rotors weigh 106 grams.)
    • Look better in my opinion.
    • Won't throw you over the bars as easily

    Cons:
    • Not as much brute power. I can no longer lock up my front wheel on pavement
    • Not as easy to work on vs. a cable actuated system. A con for all hydraulic brakes really.


    Compared to my juicy carbons:
    • Pad contact point isn't as easy to adjust. You need an allen wrench to get to it. But generally this is a one time setting and you won't have to fiddle with it much once you get it set to how you like it.
    • Much less noisy under braking. You get your typical wet disc brake squeal under wet conditions but once the rotors dry they're quiet again.
    • No weird vibrations under braking like I would occasionally get with my juicy brakes.
    • A little less powerful but nothing all that concerning. If you're a larger rider you shouldn't be looking at weight weenie brakes anyways The elites would probably work better for you.
    • Lever feel is a bit smoother.
    • Clamping them on isn't as easy. On the juicy's the entire back of the clamp comes off so you don't have to remove the grips. With these you have to slide them on from the bar ends.


    Compared to the Deore M486 (surprisingly good brakes for a low end offering btw):
    • Again a little less power.
    • Equally great lever feel. (This is more a testament to how nice the Deores felt)
    • Again weight was a huge plus for the Usagi brakes.


    Tonight I added some Alligator wind cutter rotors to the mix. From the couple of hard stops I've taken in my driveway they feel pretty good. I know I'll have to break the rotors in a bit more before I can really discern what kind of power I'll get out of them but so far so good. Compared to my Avid G2 (108grams) my Windcutters(92g) save me a bit more weight and they look pretty awesome aswell
    Looking at the pad contact area on the windcutters it looks like It makes contact with a good amount of the rotor so that's definitely a plus.

    Alright well here are the pics of the brakes on my Anthem X.












    Here you can see the red reach adjustment knob and the pad contact adjustment point. Just stick an allen wrench in there and adjust to your preferred feel.












    I've got the front post mounted.


    The rear is using a traditional mount. If you wanted to use a 140mm rotor on the back just use the front IS mount adapter. Works best if your front fork is a post mount obviously, otherwise you'll just need to buy a new adapter.















    Sorry about the less than flattering Garage pics. The lighting kinda sucks so the details are kinda hard to see in some of the pics. If you all have any questions or want to see anything specific please let me know!
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    Where can you get those Hygia brakes other than Ebay?
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    Thanks for the info popper! The photos are much appreciated too. Though nothing beats actually holding and using a set.

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    There are a few sites I've seen them listed on. I honestly can't remember where they are but I did find them through using google.

    Actually here's one store: http://isgcycles.com.au/shop/index.p...od&productId=3

    You'll just have to sift through the google results unfortunately. Ebay is the cheapest from what I can tell.

    Yeah, nothing like holding the set in your hands and using them that's for sure!

    Took a nice 21 mile ride over at Snowhill in central florida. Not a difficult trail by any means but there are lots of quick tight turns where braking is integral. The brakes with the new rotors performed fantastically. My measuring stick is, if I don't have to think about them then they must be working right!

    I've finally got my bike really dialed in and I'm in heaven on it. There may be some drivetrain upgrades in the future but as for my brakes I've settled on my set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popper252
    Yeah, nothing like holding the set in your hands and using them that's for sure!
    Will keep you guys updated

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    Right now I have Elixir R's and I hate them! and I really like the look of these and they seem nice.

    Does anyone know the actual (not claimed) weights of the Hygia Usagi compared to the Avid Elixir R?
    How do you bleed them?
    I want to use a IS mount 160mm up front with a 140mm IS mount in the back, will this work? (will be using Alligator Wind-cutters).

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    one more, any idea what the bolts are made of on the usagi? could I bolt tune them with alu. and ti bolts?
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    The claimed weights are rather spot on. My front caliper, hose, and lever was around 260grams and the rear caliper, hose, and lever with Is mount was 285.

    The elixer r's weigh 375 for the front including the rotor. The rear probably will weigh a tad bit more due to the longer hose. So we'll say the rotor weighs 110 grams or so and that brings the comparable weight down to 265grams.

    If you have an IS mount fork you'll need to buy another 140mm IS mount adapter to use for the rear.

    Basically the front IS mount works with a 160mm rotor when used up front on the fork and if you put it in the back it'll fit a 140mm rotor.

    So you'll need two "front" IS mounts for it to work.

    Hope that's not too confusing.

    I haven't had to bleed mine yet but I guess you'd have to remove the black cap from the levers and then open up the little bolt on the side of the caliper. Then just squeeze the levers to pump the fluid out of the caliper. Add more fluid to the levers and repeat until all the bubbles are out of the line. Should be relatively similar to many other comparable brakes.
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    Just a quick search pulled up these as a possible mount you could use. You'll have to purchase the 160mm. It works as a 140 when used on the rear.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/113...dard-Mount.htm

    The mount looks like it would work with the Hygia brakes.
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    Cool, thanks.
    Do you think I could use the adapters from my avids? (2x160mm front)

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    I'm assuming they're steel since there's nothing advertised about them being special.

    If you look at the pictures there's a Y marking inside the head. I'm not sure what that stands for so maybe someone more informed would know.

    Here's a shot of the original front is mount just for reference.
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    As long as the adapter fits, yeah you could totally use your avid adapter. That would sure save the hassle of having to buy another one
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    Yeah, sure would. maybe i can sell these elixir's to help pay for the (small) cost of the brakes.

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    Here is a document with information on bleeding the Hygia Usagi. Think it's the same as some older Hopes my dad has.
    http://www.hygia.com.tw/images/downl...de-english.pdf

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    Oh wow good find. I'm going to have to bookmark that for later reference.

    Apparently I was completely wrong about how to bleed them. Good thing you posted that!

    Seems like it would be pretty easy once you get all the syringes and adapters for it. Any idea where you can find all that stuff?
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    I wonder if you could buy something like that at an auto parts joint



    Looks like cambria bike carries them too http://www.cambriabike.com/shopexd.asp?ID=22997
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    I think I have seen them before at an auto parts store, but the one on cambriabike is pretty cheap.

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    interesting brake system... i'm subscribing to this thread for updates...

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    looks promising.

    cant wait to try mine.
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    Awesome, you get a set too?

    Btw I emailed a bunch of ebay sellers and there's one guy that sells the kit. He's selling it for 20+8 for shipping. So 28 total for a kit guaranteed to work. Might be worth it to avoid the hassle of hunting down different parts.

    Anyways, I won't list him here just to avoid spamming the forum but if you're interested just let me know and I'll send you his ebay name.
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    The yellow and red Santa (DHL)'s got some in his sleigh...

    details soon.

    photos too!

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    anyone thats a clyde using these im interested in the elites....

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    http://www.hygia.com.tw/about.htm

    wow! they seem to be getting it right! yall are happy with them and they are freaking BEAUTIFUL!!! they even have one for trikes and 4-wheeled things that has an integrated parking brake!!
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    Ok folks.

    I received some of these brakes for testing on Christmas Eve

    Here are my initial thoughts:

    ASPIRE
    This set uses 24mm pistons, and feel really solid , both in build quality and brake bite.
    Long-ish levers mean that you may need to re-orient shifters (see pics)

    ELITE
    Finish is really good. Especially the silver/XTR grey one.
    My fingers don't jive too well with the lever shape (that's just me).

    USAGI
    The sleeper of the bunch. Lightest, yet most affordable.
    I prefer the shape and feel of their levers.
    Reach adjust screw is secured with a c-clip, to stop it from coming off.

    I initially used these with my Ashima AiRotors, and while they performed OK, they seemed to be wanting in the power department. I fitted the stock Hygia rotors and noticed an immediate improvement in power. Will ride them some more so as to have them bed in.

    Other observations/notes:
    All the Hygia brakes have reach adjustment,and pad clearance adjustment.

    On the Usagi, the pad adjust is perpendicular to the lever, while on the Aspire and Elite they are inboard of it.

    WARNING: If you dial out the pad clearance adjustment too far, the lever may leak some DOT.
    All samples were fitted with steel braided lines, which may have contributed to their solid feel.
    Stock pads are semi-metallic according to Hygia.
    Hygia will aso be offering a carbon lever upgrade for the Elite - and judging from the prototype's photos they seem to have a nicer shape too.

    I've attached some photos, and amongst them is a comparo of the Deore 2010 to the Usagi.

    Feel free to ask me questions - I'll try my best to answer them
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    cool! i'd like to see a fade test... just run the hell out of them and see how they perform under abuse and adverse conditions compared to other brakes
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    Hose Fittings

    Do any fittings come with these brakes for re-connecting tubing after making a length adjustment? Are the fittings and tubing similar or the same as Shimano?

    Reason I ask is, I have never had pre bled hydros with the right length of tubing out of the box. In fact, I've wondered why a manufacturer would pre bleed brakes other than to test.

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    By the looks of the fittings in the accessories section of the Hygia website, they seem to be like Shimanos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMu_dogtag
    Reason I ask is, I have never had pre bled hydros with the right length of tubing out of the box. In fact, I've wondered why a manufacturer would pre bleed brakes other than to test.

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    fit and finish looks nice but what about performance? hows the power, modulation, and do they fade, would they be good for a big guy like me at 240lbs? what about a dh/freeride brake maybe a four pot, do they make one? i like the elites

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    Quote Originally Posted by david8613
    fit and finish looks nice but what about performance? hows the power, modulation, and do they fade, would they be good for a big guy like me at 240lbs? what about a dh/freeride brake maybe a four pot, do they make one? i like the elites
    Since the Usagis are on my personal ride, here's what I think:

    Modulation is very good. I'd say at least as good as, or better, than my last set of hydros (Formula Oro K24).

    I initially paired them up with Ashima Airotors, but when I swapped for the stock Hygia rotors I noticed an increase in power, along with a more solid feel at the lever.

    I haven't taken them on long DH runs, but will try to sort that out soon.

    ...

    The Aspires are their "heavy-duty" brakes, with 24mm pistons. They are mounted on a VooDoo Canzo29 ridden by Cherrybomber (Clyde category) - he should chime in soon with his thoughts.

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    I've got to echo what agu is saying about the Usagi brakes. Great modulation and easily adjustable to get the feel how you like them.

    Unfortunately for me I accidentally sprayed mine with some Teflon dry lube when cleaning up my bike and that killed their performance for a while.

    Luckily though they're easy enough to get the pads out of. I cleaned the pads in some mineral spirits and then scrubbed both the pads and the rotors with some sand paper.

    While they aren't as strong as they were brand new I figure they'll be good enough until I get some new pads on them.

    Btw I'm still using them with the Windcutter rotors from Pricepoint and they're holding up just fine.
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    been running the Aspire's for about 2 rides.

    things to think about:

    1. I'm a retro-grouch, having been traumatized by early gen Juicys which spent more time being bled then being ridden.

    2. I'm a Clyde so regular disc brakes will have me go right into the bushes in downhill turns. i've never wanted to go hydraulic since whenever i try the bikes of my ride buddies they never seem to stop me. this may also be because of how they were tuneds since my buddies arent as clydey as i am, but for the high price of hydros i didnt even want to experiment. BB7s have been stopping me well enough (most of the time) so i didnt really see the urge to shift at the time.

    3. ran the Aspire's on shimano centerlock rotors. the smallest size- (that makes em 6? or 7?).

    findings:

    Pros.

    1. easy install! got it done in no muss no fuss installation in less than an hour (you'll need a torx wrench for the brake handle mounts though. set the pad clearance once and away we went. this is a big factor for someone who doesnt do his own bleeding and is normally all thumbs.

    2. ninja-quiet braking with no howling. not even any *ssssss* noise as you slow down. just stopping power with no sound effects.

    3. STOPPING POWER! jamming on the brakes produces fork dive and rear wheel lock. something i have not been able to do on the bb7s. this says a lot for a clyde of my size who weighs in at about 230-245 with equipment.


    Cons:
    1. them's long-*ss levers. as was pointed out to me they are downhill brakes with three finger levers. so to set them for one finger braking you have to set adjust them way inboard on your bars and dial down the reach adjust. this compromises the modulation a bit. Of course thats just my setup preference. modulation and setup would definitely improve if you install them for 2 or three finger braking.

    2. slightly chunky when compared to the othe brakes on the hygia roster. I'm chunky too so i dont really mind. im willing to sacrifice a little weight for something that will stop me when i need to- for Clyde's like me, thats the bottom line.



    So far so good for these brakes. liking them more and more as i do minor setup tuning.
    i'd love to see them in two or one finger levers which would really help my setup. i wonder if Hygia can swap the levers on these too, or if these will work with aftermarket levers out there.


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    I just BIN'ed two more sets, black usagi's and the rare colour option blue elites (which will perfectly match my blue Rotaz hub wheelset I just finished for my next 650B build).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    I just BIN'ed two more sets, black usagi's and the rare colour option blue elites (which will perfectly match my blue Rotaz hub wheelset I just finished for my next 650B build).
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    the blue ones sure look nice! too bad Hygia TW stopped making them already.

    here's another short review of the Usagis from another rider over here:

    "Put on almost 100k on the new brakes and I'm liking them more and more. Great modulation and less and less rotor noise as the pads bed in. So far no howling or squealing. Good power, no vibration and good lever feel.

    Haven't tried them in the mud and rain yet so we'll see how that goes when the time comes."

    Rider was a Formula die-hard, FWIW.

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    Been talking to Hygia the last couple days.
    I originally asked some questions about the USAGI's (if the bolts were ti, carbon levers, etc.)
    well they didn't answer any of my questions on those, but they did send me this picture of a new brake called SLP the Lever, caliper, and rotor weigh 258.6g (no hose or bolts).
    I'm not sure by how much, but according to him it is lighter than the USAGI.
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    "We will provide the SLP model next month.
    The lever is geometric design, the weight is same as carbon lever.
    We don't use any carbon and titanium bolts on brake.
    You could use the titanium bolts on brake to make it become lighter."
    That is what Alan from Hygia told me.
    I'm thinkin' I can get these things pretty light, with some Ti/alu. bolts, maybe see if i can get a carbon reservoir cap made, some alligator rotors.
    EDIT: after looking at Lite-bikes.de it looks like these stock, are definitely lighter than XTR (which aren't that light), pretty sure they are lighter than Juicy Ultimates, and it looks like they may be around the weight of magura marta sl's, and that's the SLP's stock, without any tuning.
    EDIT #2: comparing the pictures of the USAGI's, and the SLP's it looks like most of the weight savings is probably from the caliper and the rotor.
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    Did you get a weight limit on them? I'll let you guys be the guinea pigs, but if they work well, I might take a harder look at them........just concerned since I am a big pig here......

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    If that's a picture of the SLP then it looks like they went with the Unibody caliper similar to how they have it set up on the elites.

    The Usagi uses two blocks that are sealed together.

    I suppose this makes for a stronger brake caliper and also lighter due to being able to exclude a bit of material.

    Hmm they sure do look nice. Can't wait till we get some more shots of them. Also curious as to what the market price will be.

    As for me I'm still quite happy with my Usagi brakes. Get lots of compliments and people are amazed by the value and weight. Haven't had any issues with them other than a stupid mistake where I got a little happy with some lube. Took the pads off (Extremely easy) cleaned them and scrubbed the rotors down. They were back to rocking after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popper252
    If that's a picture of the SLP then it looks like they went with the Unibody caliper similar to how they have it set up on the elites.

    The Usagi uses two blocks that are sealed together.

    I suppose this makes for a stronger brake caliper and also lighter due to being able to exclude a bit of material.
    My thoughts exactly.

    Good to hear your still liking your USAGI's. I am highly considering these now.

    Also, the rotor in the picture weighs 80g (according to Hygia) so 259g - 80g rotor = 179g + approx. 23g for jagwire hose = 202g approx. but I just realized that's without things to fit the hose to lever and caliper, so probably around juicy ultimate weight. and then do some bolt tuning and maybe it would be close to the magura marta in weight.

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    Also have to factor in the weight of the fluid itself. Not sure how much that would run you. But either way those are really light. And if the prices of their current models are any indication these should be much less pricey than something like a Formula or Magura Brake set.

    The olives and other assorted hose hardware shouldn't weigh more than a few grams at most.

    While this is purely speculation the new brakes should weigh about 30-50 grams less per end than the Usagi's and should theoretically be a bit stronger/durable. Not a bad way to save up to 100 grams.

    Not too shabby
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popper252
    Also have to factor in the weight of the fluid itself.
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    lol what?

    The man wants an accurate weight! YOU MUST FACTOR EVERYTHING!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popper252
    Also have to factor in the weight of the fluid itself. Not sure how much that would run you. But either way those are really light. And if the prices of their current models are any indication these should be much less pricey than something like a Formula or Magura Brake set.

    The olives and other assorted hose hardware shouldn't weigh more than a few grams at most.

    While this is purely speculation the new brakes should weigh about 30-50 grams less per end than the Usagi's and should theoretically be a bit stronger/durable. Not a bad way to save up to 100 grams.

    Not too shabby
    Didn't think about fluid, it shouldn't be too much though.
    That's about what I was thinking for weight savings over the usagi's.
    Can't wait for these to come out now.. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COLINx86
    Didn't think about fluid, it shouldn't be too much though.
    That's about what I was thinking for weight savings over the usagi's.
    Can't wait for these to come out now.. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get some.
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    Ha ya I can thank jakepay for my UGI and the occasional streak of weight weenieism
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    Quote Originally Posted by COLINx86
    Didn't think about fluid, it shouldn't be too much though.
    That's about what I was thinking for weight savings over the usagi's.
    Can't wait for these to come out now.. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get some.
    Hehe! And I thought my USAGIs were light!

    As Popper said, it looks like a they mated the Elite caliper to an Usagi lever, and gently massaged both to trim away some fat.

    Rotors do look nice too, I guess their "floating" model is a bit heavier than this one...

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    I currently have BB7's. Can I use the aspires with avid's CPS mounting system and use my current rotors 185/160 G3CS?
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    Finally received our first batch of Hygia brakes. Aside from the Usagis we also have some Elites - with redesigned levers and in silver, gold and red. We also spec'd our brakes with stainless steel lines.

    We also have an Elite Carbon on hand for testing.








    FYI, Hygia's updated their website as well: www.hygia.com.tw

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    Quote Originally Posted by agu
    Finally received our first batch of Hygia brakes. Aside from the Usagis we also have some Elites - with redesigned levers and in silver, gold and red. We also spec'd our brakes with stainless steel lines.

    We also have an Elite Carbon on hand for testing.
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    when will the SLP be available?
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    Cool!! good of you to keep people up to date with the product and answer questions.
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    Time for my review of my Hygia Usagi brakes. They took their first ride yesterday after a rather frustrating start.

    1) Unboxing: DISASTER! The front brake was already leaking DOT 4 in the packaging. The pads were contaminated, the whole thing was a mess. I took everything out, quickly cleaned it with alcohol, and troubleshot the issue. Aside from the leak, everything was nicely packaged. As stated before there is no manual...but who needs one!

    2) Build quality: NOT GOOD! It took me 30 days to get my USAGI's, so I sure as **** wasn't going to send them back and wait another 30 days...so it was disassemble time to figure out the issue. The leak was coming from between the two blocks that come together and make the caliper. I took out the pads, threw them in some alcohol, and took everything apart. There is a little black washer between the two blocks that the DOT 4 flows through, which wasn't sealing properly and allowing a leak. I took the o-ring out, and dug through my O-ring graveyard. I didn't find anything that fit, so it was back to the drawing board. On closer inspection there was some paint contamination on the surfaces of the caliper that are supposed to come together, so I gently sanded away any paint. After getting things nice and smooth, I used the original O-ring and re-assembled. Since there was no DOT 4 left in the system, I had to keep my fingers crossed and move onto bleeding.

    3) Bleeding: NOT GOOD AGAIN...but not bad!: Since I fully expected to slap these onto my bike and not need to bleed them, I didn't have the proper fittings for bleeding. All of my bike repairs are performed late at night after work, and with multiple beers hanging around, so needless to say there was no trip to an auto store to try to find the fittings. I have about 1000 various sizes of tubing and syringes around, and always have DOT fluid laying around, so I managed to bleed everything without the fittings. HUGE pain in the butt, but I made it happen. Bleeding with the fittings would be a walk in the park, so I cannot complain too much (although the need for additional parts is annoying).

    4) Attempted #2: Squeeze the freshly bled brake.....success! No more leaking, no more sadness. Threw the pads back on (stole non-contaminated ones from my past brakes) and slapped it on the bike for a test ride.

    5) Test Ride: My rotors are the 6 inch Alligator Windcutters....not the best rotors, but light and cheap. My previous brakes were XT's that were about 2 years old, but routine maintenance had been performed. With the Windcutters the braking power was about the same. Not as powerful as my XT's when they were new, but slightly more powerful than the old and decrepit version. My test of power is basically...can I flip myself over the bars if I want to...and how easy is that to accomplish? (leaning back behind the seat of course...aka resisting flipping over but still trying to have the brakes do so). With the windcutters it was barely possible, but after switching to the HYGIA rotors I could fairly easily. These are going on my XC race bike, so power is going to be plenty adequate. Would I trust them on my AM/light freeride bike....no! (not that they are designed for this...I wasn't expecting them to be super powerful, just a warning to those who think they can get away with more).

    6) Conclusion: DECENT! I had a bad experience with my HYGIA's, but the taste in my mouth is not that bad. They are fully operational, are exactly what I expected power wise, and they feel good in my hand. They are light, and frankly the price was right (provided they work well for you out of the box...the price was not right for me!). The build quality is obviously lacking, and I don't know how durable the lever will be, but once again these are going on my XC race bike which will not see much abuse. Overall I would say these brakes are a good choice for a XC Race bike, or a purely XC rider who doesn't crash/hit the ground often. If you plan on taking the occasional spill, I would be worried about long-term durability.

    I would still consider buying these again in the future if I were building another race bike on a budget. If I had more funds, I would probably look elsewhere.

    I would be happy to answer any questions/concerns as well!
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    hey i just noticed that the hygia slp disc brakes have been posted on hygias website...trail grit, when will you be offering them?
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    We have the Super Light Project on trial at the moment!

    Meaning we put them on a bike and give them a few months on the trails in Wales and Scotland and have a bit of fun with them! we find this the best way to test things.

    We love Hygia but we like to try things before we sell it!!

    So as soon as we are happy which we are at the moment we will get them on our web-site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctorholguin
    hey i just noticed that the hygia slp disc brakes have been posted on hygias website...trail grit, when will you be offering them?
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    y0Bailey... which ebay seller did you get your usagi's from. I always go to BMW7236 myself and so far 5 brakesets (3 Elite, 2 Usagi) have arrived without any leakage issues. Also he ONLY ships via EMS Postage and anywhere on earth is usually less than 10 days. Maybe if you were stationed on the ISS I could see EMS taking a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
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    A question on power.

    Elite vs USAGI? These would be going on a AM/Trail bike on the west coast. Long DH trails.

    Not looking for Saint style ultimate stopping power, looking for XT level. I used a bike that had XT's and 6 inch rotors for a race event in Whistler last season and I was mostly happy other than I would have run an 8 inch front and 7 inch rear rotors. Not looking for comments on the rotors as the ones that come with them will likely go into the parts bin or onto a commuter bike.

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    I ordered a pair of Usagi's from Ebay for a bike I am putting together for my daughter. This is going to be a small frame and I will most likely need to cut some of the length out of the hose. I have never had to cut the hoses on hydros before and was wondering what is the best tool for the job at a reasonable price? My other bikes have come with brakes already installed so I have never had to mess them.

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    Your mind is constantly wagging from side to side trying to find the ultimate, all good brother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MHinvest
    I ordered a pair of Usagi's from Ebay for a bike I am putting together for my daughter. This is going to be a small frame and I will most likely need to cut some of the length out of the hose. I have never had to cut the hoses on hydros before and was wondering what is the best tool for the job at a reasonable price? My other bikes have come with brakes already installed so I have never had to mess them.
    Their are many different ways to cut hydro hose most will require inserting something like a pick to the ID of the hose to make it round again. Wire cutter, hose cutter, razor blade, Dremel, meat cleaver pick your weapon. Be sure to have any compression fittings, ferrule at hand if needed and you may need to bleed.
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    Thanks for the reply. I shold be able to manage that. Anyone have a link to a good bleed kit at a reasonable price?

    Will let everyone know how long it takes to get them when they arrive. I purchased mine from seller i-bike BIN for $154.99 shipped. He has the cheapest price and the only one offering these in black that I can find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MHinvest
    Thanks for the reply. I shold be able to manage that. Anyone have a link to a good bleed kit at a reasonable price?

    Will let everyone know how long it takes to get them when they arrive. I purchased mine from seller i-bike BIN for $154.99 shipped. He has the cheapest price and the only one offering these in black that I can find.

    The catch to a bleed kit is the fittings for either the caliper or master cylinder or both otherwise its all available at the local supermarket or hardware store. Here is a great link to bleeding Hayes brakes but it pretty much works for 97% of the MTB brakes on the market.

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    Received my Usagi's today only 12 days from purchase. First impressions are very good for $155 shipped. Brakes were easy to install, quiet, and plenty of power. They feel just as good as the XTR's on my own bike. I am using center lock XTR rotors as these were already mounted on the rims for this bike. These are going on a budget lightweight build for my daughter who is only about 100lbs so they are not going to be pushed to hard. I would purchase these again for myself or any build.
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    I can't find the exact forum to ask this question - so will ask here any help / advice appreciated. I bought some Formula disc brakes from JensensUSA they forgot to send the front brake adapter, I aksed for this to be sent on and they told me they don't have it in stock, they then said brake adapters are "Interchangeable" I have a Hayes adapter and it looks to me to be adaptable alright - can anyone advise if it is alright to go ahead and chage using the Hayes adapter for Formula brakes ?

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    no offense but ... you're using a Hygia brake thread to ask whether you can use Hayes adapters for Formula brakes? o.0
    You have the Hayes part... try it out man. If it works- shaboing! If not- contact Formula. Git 'er done!
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    Would take a lot more than that to offend me dude ! Thanks for advice/reply.

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    i just saw the SLP on Ebay for $178 but the weight was not shown. Any idea of what the actual weight of the system is?
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    SLP: 268 grams according to the Hygia site: http://www.hygia.com.tw/prod-brake01-5.htm

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    I´m really interested in references from people that have used the Hygia Elites and have also used either SLX or XT, to know how they compare. I recently had the chance to try them on a friend´s bike and I really liked the feeling of the lever and felt the braking power to be really outstanding, but I really didn´t had the chance to test them extensively…
    They look great and the weight without being a decisive factor is nice… Hope to get some good feedback so I can upgrade from my stock Tecktros, thanks in advance.

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    I'm thinking of getting a set of Hygia Elites for a XC build that I'll be starting soon. Only thing stopping me is that I can get a set of Avid Elixir 5s for exactly the same price. The Elixir 5s get rave reviews from users and they feel nice when I tried them on a friends bike. I've never owned Avids but I know that loads of people found Juicys to be a pain over time. I can't find anyone local that's got Hygia brakes so it's a bit of an unknown to me. Dilema.

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    Any updates on the SLPs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by doctorholguin
    Any updates on the SLPs?
    You still lookin for brakes.
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    I have not bought them because I have not been able to ride my bike for a few months. I will probably be able to ride some this coming month. I am also waiting on the new Ashima Pancake disc brakes.
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    Got an email from Trail Grit today saying the SLPs will be available next month for £149.99.

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    Hygia SLP weights (2010 model)

    Hi all,

    I just received my SLP from the LBS. Attached photos show their actual weight on a digital scale. I have just written to Hygia regarding the 35-65 grams difference in claimed and actual weights, but I am guessing that they did not include the brake hoses in the claimed weight. Will update you all if I were to receive any reply from them. Hope this helps.
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    Wow...the brakes look awesome but the weights are way off from what we expected. However, the price for these puppies are quite affordable. Lets see what happens with ashimas pancakes. They are taking way too long to come out. Thanks for the pics. Whats the actual price on these puppies? One more question, will there be a carbon lever option?perhaps that can shed a few more grams and make some of us happier lol.
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    Additional Pictures of SLP weights.

    Here are two more photos: first one showing the full front and rear setup weights. Yes it is heavy, but it is still lighter and cheaper than XTR. The main selling points are that the hygias use the same brake pads as the XTRs, and they are lighter. But durability and modulation in the long run, well, only time will tell. These first batches will inevitably have some problems.

    We can save some weight by using the Ashima postmount adapters, as well as Ti bolts, that will bring down another 35 grams or so from the overall weight. The supplied ones are heavy! And you may use Ashima AU01 to put in a 140mm rotor in the rear to bring down another 15 grams or so if using the alligator 140mm windcutter rotors.

    Another thing, I got a reply (very quick indeed) from hygia regarding the weight difference: The second picture shows that they weight just the front assembly of master cylinder + rotor + caliper, but without the hose. They claim that Shimano also weigh their brakes this way. In other words, their claims are quite true, to a certain extend.

    Hope these helps. Will be mounting them on today, fingers crossed no problems after this.
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    By any chance, do you guys happen to know the sizes of the following bolts on the slps:
    1. 4 bolts of the red plate
    2. 1 bolt that fixes the brake to the handlebar
    3. 1 bolt that fixes the lever to the cylinder.
    4. 6 bolts for the rotor.

    I am planning on switching the stock bolts for titanium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doctorholguin
    By any chance, do you guys happen to know the sizes of the following bolts on the slps:
    1. 4 bolts of the red plate
    2. 1 bolt that fixes the brake to the handlebar
    3. 1 bolt that fixes the lever to the cylinder.
    4. 6 bolts for the rotor.

    I am planning on switching the stock bolts for titanium.
    Howdy their Doc looks like nobody has a clue. Their are ways to cheat vernier calipers using a crescent wrench for the width then measure with a ruler. As for the length measurements are from the head seat to the bottom.

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