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    Hope Tech V4

    Anyone on these yet? How do they compare to the M4s? Anywhere available to purchase in the states?
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    Only just released at Euro bike, so probably not available til next year. Meant to be the successor to the V2, so a whole hell of a lot more powerful than the M4.

    Email Hope US to find out more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalom View Post
    Only just released at Euro bike, so probably not available til next year. Meant to be the successor to the V2, so a whole hell of a lot more powerful than the M4.

    Email Hope US to find out more.
    Hope says they were released last week. CRC appears to have them in stock. Might have to jump on a set.
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    Go for it! Would love a ride report. Apologies - normally they take a while. Hence their seatpost is named Eternity....

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    Oy I can't wait . . . I'll be on these for sure for my next build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Oy I can't wait . . . I'll be on these for sure for my next build.
    Haha, definitely between these and the new Saints...

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    You can get them from hope in Texas right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalom View Post
    Haha, definitely between these and the new Saints...
    Saint's do indeed look the part, but I REALLY like the simplicity and adjustability of the Hope's. That and the lever ergonomics just fit me better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Saint's do indeed look the part, but I REALLY like the simplicity and adjustability of the Hope's. That and the lever ergonomics just fit me better.
    I would agree with you there. And the Hope's are just plain sexy

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Saint's do indeed look the part, but I REALLY like the simplicity and adjustability of the Hope's. That and the lever ergonomics just fit me better.
    Plus they are completely rebuildable, you can get parts, customer service, etc...
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    So whilst I was looking at bike pr0n... I came upon (sorry for pun) this on an Italian website:

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    What gives? Hope's website lists the regular silver/black version and the all black "Stealth" edition only... nothing about any other colour combination.

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    those are nice, will have to get some when they are available

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    I bet those are custom one-offs that company makes. Take the stock silver and blacks and you can have them anodized what ever color you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyJ View Post
    So whilst I was looking at bike pr0n... I came upon (sorry for pun) this on an Italian website:

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    What gives? Hope's website lists the regular silver/black version and the all black "Stealth" edition only... nothing about any other colour combination.
    They look like a special edition for one of their pro athletes. I forget who, but he has all red anodised Hope bits hanging from his bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    I bet those are custom one-offs that company makes. Take the stock silver and blacks and you can have them anodized what ever color you want.
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    They look like a special edition for one of their pro athletes. I forget who, but he has all red anodised Hope bits hanging from his bike.
    Kill two birds with one stone... from what I ascertain from the Italian, this is an actual option. If they just colour-anodised the regular silver parts, then the laser etched stuff would be coloured too (see i9 "Black I"/"Red I" wheelsets, with "double dipped" hubs). Bit crazy to laser-etch them a second time (what with reverse engineering the etching, alignment, etc). Plus that isn't "all red", of whichever pro athletes is supposed to have on their bike. I fired an email off to Hope UK and see what they have to say for themselves about those strange V4s... if they reply at all.

    In the meantime, I'd like to see a ride report. The V4s are supposed to be about 15% more powerful than the superseded V2 on the same rotor diameter. So V4+160mm ~= V2+183mm, V4+183mm ~=V2+203mm. V4+203mm = insane. That also means a V4 with a puny 160mm rotor (as the rotors across the range are common once more) is comparable to an M4 with 203mm rotors. Ouch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dart @ Hope UK
    Hi, we sometimes do a special run for some of our export companies, but
    unfortunately they aren't available in UK shops. Sorry about that.

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    From the horses mouth... turns out DSB Bonandrini is the Italian distributor. Explains some gold, blue and gunsmoke coloured 1st Gen Tech X2s I saw in Hong Kong a few years back. Looks like you guys in the USA might get lucky if you give Hope USA a good nag?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyJ View Post
    From the horses mouth... turns out DSB Bonandrini is the Italian distributor. Explains some gold, blue and gunsmoke coloured 1st Gen Tech X2s I saw in Hong Kong a few years back. Looks like you guys in the USA might get lucky if you give Hope USA a good nag?
    V4s ordered, should have them late this week or early next I will be sure to report back comparing them to Tech M4s.
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    Just ordered mine as well. I will put my v2 and x2 on my new SLR.

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    Would be keen to hear how they compare to M4 and maybe X2, but I guess that comparison would be obvious.

    Oh, and pictures please

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    Will post when I get them. I honestly don't know why I am buying them. The V2 is good, but my old 6 piston ti was better. Not a little better, but a LOT better than the V2, no matter how much Phil at Hope tries to tell me that the V2 is more powerful. It's not. Don't get me wrong, the V2's are really powerful, but the old 6ti was unbelievable. But the hopes are just so good, I just never have any issues with any of them. Such a set it and forget it brake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    But the hopes are just so good, I just never have any issues with any of them. Such a set it and forget it brake.
    Definitely agree with you there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    Will post when I get them. I honestly don't know why I am buying them. The V2 is good, but my old 6 piston ti was better. Not a little better, but a LOT better than the V2, no matter how much Phil at Hope tries to tell me that the V2 is more powerful. It's not. Don't get me wrong, the V2's are really powerful, but the old 6ti was unbelievable. But the hopes are just so good, I just never have any issues with any of them. Such a set it and forget it brake.
    Agreed. I love Hope brakes, honestly, other than wanting more power, there is no reason to replace my M4s, they just work. I have tried nearly all brakes, from Avid to Shimano to Formula, and I like Hopes the best.

    I loved the Tech V2s, but I think some of your power comments came from the flexy caliper. I was told it was "tuned flex" which is what gave them such great modulation.

    I am hoping the new V4 has the smooth power delivery of the M4s If the power claims are true, then this brake will be rediculous.
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    That's what I am thinking TiSSer. I use the EBC reds on the V2's and the x2's as well and it helps. I think the V4's should be about 20 percent better, but will find out. Phil told me that I had to order new disc's as well, and I did, but will see if they are the same as the old ones. He did tell me at one time that the V2's took a wider disc, and it doesn't. If he does this again I won't be happy with him.

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    The red and black ones look really slick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    That's what I am thinking TiSSer. I use the EBC reds on the V2's and the x2's as well and it helps. I think the V4's should be about 20 percent better, but will find out. Phil told me that I had to order new disc's as well, and I did, but will see if they are the same as the old ones. He did tell me at one time that the V2's took a wider disc, and it doesn't. If he does this again I won't be happy with him.
    He told me my M4 rotors would work. The pads are different however. I hope he was able to ship them out today so i have them for the weekend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    He told me my M4 rotors would work. The pads are different however. I hope he was able to ship them out today so i have them for the weekend!
    Show a pic once you get them. I will do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    Will post when I get them. I honestly don't know why I am buying them. The V2 is good, but my old 6 piston ti was better. Not a little better, but a LOT better than the V2, no matter how much Phil at Hope tries to tell me that the V2 is more powerful. It's not. Don't get me wrong, the V2's are really powerful, but the old 6ti was unbelievable. But the hopes are just so good, I just never have any issues with any of them. Such a set it and forget it brake.
    From what I can ascertain about the V4 online is that pad area is greater than the V2, though the track-width is the same as X2/M4 (and thus use the same saw-tooth rotors). This means longer pads... just like the 6Ti, though obviously the 6Ti is 6-pot.

    We know the V4 has a 18mm leading piston, with the other being a 16mm piston (straight off the M4). What are the 6Ti's piston diameters? Difference in mechanical advantage can be worked out from that and infer whether the V4 or the 6Ti is a stronger brake.

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    Any one in need of the new Hope stealth brakes or any other Hope product? Check me out on pinkbike mtb4life05
    I can get any combination of brakes you want.
    I also build these to order witch means I will make the braided lines to your exact length.
    I am a small bike shop that just happens to carry the Hope line

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    Hope stealth

    I have a pair of EVO Tech M4's black w/red bore caps,red barrel adj's, and red reservoir caps.
    that I will be selling if anyone is interested. Contact me through mtbr or pinkbike

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    No offence, but this is your 4th post and you have questionable rep. Not that rep makes a difference, but the post in itself is in question. I think I will get my new brakes though Hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb4life05 View Post
    Any one in need of the new Hope stealth brakes or any other Hope product? Check me out on pinkbike mtb4life05
    I can get any combination of brakes you want.
    I also build these to order witch means I will make the braided lines to your exact length.
    I am a small bike shop that just happens to carry the Hope line

    Keep your hard earned dollars in the good old USA!
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    ? Rep explain yourself. you must know something I don't

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    Has anyone figured out (or I may have missed it), do the V4's use regular rotors, or do they still use the vented/non-vented V2 type rotors?

    Edit: Post 27 may just have answered this....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carraig042 View Post
    Has anyone figured out (or I may have missed it), do the V4's use regular rotors, or do they still use the vented/non-vented V2 type rotors?

    Edit: Post 27 may just have answered this....

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    Ditto. And on Hope's website, the Stealth edition brakes are shown with the V4 vented rotor... where the brake track looks the same as the Mono Mini/X2/M4 saw-tooth rotors. Which actually gets me wondering... would V4 vented rotors work* with X2/M4 calipers?

    *I know the V4 vented rotor is a bit thicker, though this time round the difference doesn't seem as drastic as it was with the V2 rotor type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb4life05 View Post
    ? Rep explain yourself. you must know something I don't
    I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but you really need to do adverts though mtbr. Not only that, but how can you get deals on Hope that none of us can't get though their Texas distributorship? Also if you are a rep of Hope, I don't think they would take kindly to this type of advertising.
    Also you have done something to warrant a negitive rep, which is why you have a red dot under your name.
    Can you explain how you get deals with Hope?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyJ View Post
    Ditto. And on Hope's website, the Stealth edition brakes are shown with the V4 vented rotor... where the brake track looks the same as the Mono Mini/X2/M4 saw-tooth rotors. Which actually gets me wondering... would V4 vented rotors work* with X2/M4 calipers?

    *I know the V4 vented rotor is a bit thicker, though this time round the difference doesn't seem as drastic as it was with the V2 rotor type.
    I should be able to answer this when I get mine in a few days.

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    My V4s came in today. Mounted them up to my existing 183mm floating M4 rotors. The rear brake was spongy, so I bled it (did the front as well). I would have bled it anyway since I like to run Motul RBF600. There was some air in the lines, but all is good now. I did destroy my rear rotor on Sunday's ride, but was able to true it up, so that may have played a bit in the mushy feeling lever as well.

    Mounting was easier than ever. The brake lines were the perfect length, so no cutting needed. I did pull the brake pads out and compare them the M4 pads, and they are slightly larger, but it is hardly noticeable to the naked eye. Hope sent me both organic and sintered pads, I left the organics in as I figured I would give those a try. I typically don't like the grabby initial bite that organics provide.

    I did spend some time running up and down the road, bedding in the pads. After about 10 runs per brake, I think I can make a few qualifications.

    1. They are very powerful. Are they stronger than the V2s? It has been a while since I rode my Tech V2s with 203/183 setup, but I think so. They are more powerful than the M4s, and it comes on quicker. However, the modulation is excellent, and it doesn't feel like any modulation has been forgone to achieve the power.

    2. The organic pads feel very nice. They have a softer feel at the lever than the sintered pads do. Sintered pads seem to give a stiffer lever feel. So far, they are dead silent. That may change though with the dusty desert conditions I ride in. In the past, sintered pads have run quieter than organics.

    3. Setup was typical Hope. After working with Hopes, it was very quick.

    I am hoping to get out on the trail tomorrow and do a fair break-in. I will report back after some real time on them. Basically they feel like more powerful M4s, and that is exactly what I was looking for.
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    Nice. You take any photos of them yet?

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    Subscribed. Very interested in these brakes and anything Hope.

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    If V4's on 183F/183R feel more powerful than V2's on 203F/183R, what with most of the braking done on bicycles with the front brake... then colour me impressed! Now just waiting for mazspeed to chime in to see how the new V4's fair against the "older but still better than V2" Mono-6Ti.

    @tiSS'er: So it does indeed seem the V4 uses the same rotor (and thus track width) as the X2/M4? Eyeballing it, you reckon a V4 caliper will work with the 160mm and 140mm rotors? I have my reasons...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyJ View Post
    If V4's on 183F/183R feel more powerful than V2's on 203F/183R, what with most of the braking done on bicycles with the front brake... then colour me impressed! Now just waiting for mazspeed to chime in to see how the new V4's fair against the "older but still better than V2" Mono-6Ti.

    @tiSS'er: So it does indeed seem the V4 uses the same rotor (and thus track width) as the X2/M4? Eyeballing it, you reckon a V4 caliper will work with the 160mm and 140mm rotors? I have my reasons...
    I didn't take any photos as the lighting was pretty poor. What would you like to see?

    I don't see any reason why they wouldn't work with the 160/140 setup. I have a 160 floating rotor at home which I considered putting on to give me a bit more clearance in the rear.

    I will be heading out tonight for a ride, I will report back with details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyJ View Post
    If V4's on 183F/183R feel more powerful than V2's on 203F/183R, what with most of the braking done on bicycles with the front brake... then colour me impressed! Now just waiting for mazspeed to chime in to see how the new V4's fair against the "older but still better than V2" Mono-6Ti.

    @tiSS'er: So it does indeed seem the V4 uses the same rotor (and thus track width) as the X2/M4? Eyeballing it, you reckon a V4 caliper will work with the 160mm and 140mm rotors? I have my reasons...
    Will let you know, I am getting them this week.
    I have really big tires now, 2.5 front and 2.3 rear on my HD so if the V4's are better, I will know right away.

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    I did promise a bleed write up. Mine is not as detailed as this would be. I do a few things differently, but this is spot on if you need to bleed your brakes.
    Hope Technology - Brake Bleed (Tech lever) - YouTube

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    I got out last night for a short ride last night and came away impressed. The power was great, although not overwhelming. I feel as though the power is getting better with every downhill. It has been a while since I used Hope pads, and if I remember correctly they take a bit longer than most to bed in properly. Combine that with the fact that I am using older rotors and it makes sense. That being said, they are already very strong, and should get stronger with a few more rides.

    The beauty of the Hopes is the modulation. I ride in the desert where we have lots of sand, crushed granite, and loose conditions. Braking to me is more about control than flat out power. My concern with the V4s was that I was going to lose modulation over the M4. I actually think the modulation is better with the V4. You can dial in just the right amount of power and the power is very progressive. With the organic pads I feel like i get better feedback from the brake. The brakes were dead silent which is a plus.

    I can't wait to get some more time on them, but I think these are a great setup.
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    Sounds awesome... I assume you didn't put them on a weight weenie scale, though in just taking the old M4s off and putting the V4s on, are they lighter, much the same or heavier? I ask as the V2 with braided hoses was actually lighter than M4s with Tech levers + braided hoses. The extra heft of the V2 set up was the rotors. As the V4 now uses the same rotor as everything else in the Hope range... and the V4 is lighter than the V2 "as an overall setup" (says Hope), just curious how much difference there is with the M4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyJ View Post
    Sounds awesome... I assume you didn't put them on a weight weenie scale, though in just taking the old M4s off and putting the V4s on, are they lighter, much the same or heavier? I ask as the V2 with braided hoses was actually lighter than M4s with Tech levers + braided hoses. The extra heft of the V2 set up was the rotors. As the V4 now uses the same rotor as everything else in the Hope range... and the V4 is lighter than the V2 "as an overall setup" (says Hope), just curious how much difference there is with the M4?
    Sorry, I didn't weigh them. Weight really doesn't matter to me too much, more interested in performance and durability. The are certainly lighter then V2s simply due to the rotor.
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    The new V4s work great with the regular HOPE 203mm rotors. TiSSER pretty much described its performance when compared to the M4s - No modulation loss but improved bite.

    Depending on front fork and front hub there might be some rubbing of the rivets on the inside of the fork brake mount if using HOPE's floating rotors (I experienced the following below for both HOPE 183 and 203mm floating rotors. Regular rotors no prob.

    CK front hub with FOX 36 fork = rubbing

    Hadley front hub with FOX 36 fork = rubbing

    HOPE Pro 2 Evo front hub with FOX 36 fork = NO rubbing

    There have been posts already regarding more severe rub if using HOPE vented floating rotors over the normal floating ones due to the slightly wider profile.

    In any case, I contacted CRC as to when HOPEs new 2013 floating vented rotors and V4 pads would be out. Here's what they wrote:

    Thank you for your email.

    The Hope V4's uses the same floating rotor as the V2. You can also use the standard Saw Tooth floating rotor used with the M4 and M6 caliper.

    With the V4 brake you are restricted to using 203mm vented rotors only. If you wish to us a smaller size then you have to use the standard solid type floating rotor.

    We currently have no date from Hope as to when the 2013 rotors/pads will be in stock. I would suggest that it will be early next year.

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    CRC clearly think we are fools and/or blind... Hope's own website shows the V4 vented rotor:

    Stealth Tech Evo - Stealth Tech Evo Product Details

    ... and PinkBike show it (V4 vented) being much slimmer than the V2 monster, much more like the regular saw-tooth rotors:

    in Wester Ross, Scotland - photo by cloverleaf - Pinkbike

    Of course, V2 rotors would work... just would be carrying a lot of excessive unused steel!

    Edit... Dart @ Hope UK replied in a record 7 minutes!:

    Hi, the V4 uses a different vented rotor to the older V2.

    Cheers,
    Dart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    I did promise a bleed write up.
    I need to bleed my brakes this week . . . can you remind me again what you do differently?

    Thanks!
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyJ View Post
    Sounds awesome... I assume you didn't put them on a weight weenie scale, though in just taking the old M4s off and putting the V4s on, are they lighter, much the same or heavier? I ask as the V2 with braided hoses was actually lighter than M4s with Tech levers + braided hoses. The extra heft of the V2 set up was the rotors. As the V4 now uses the same rotor as everything else in the Hope range... and the V4 is lighter than the V2 "as an overall setup" (says Hope), just curious how much difference there is with the M4?
    My front V4 weighed 320g on the Alpine digital scale. Thats lever, caliper and Goodridge hose- no bolts or mounts etc.

    The brake it replaced was a last gen XT, the M775 and that weighed 280g - without braided hose. I think that would account for 40g. All in all, i think it's a good weight on the V4 for what you get.

    Hope now send the brakes out with both types of pads which is a nice touch. I compared the pad size with some others i had and they are a lot bigger than the XT and almost identical to Magura Gustav in width and length.

    Not had chance for a decent ride yet, but just up and down the road trying to bed them in and they feel nice and strong.
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