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    Hope Tech M4 vs Marta SL "poll"

    Quick poll.

    Got a Pivot mach4 and need new brakes for it.
    Choices are:
    The new Hope Tech M4 with 180mm rotor(floating) front and rear
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    2009 magura Marta SL in red with 180mm rotor front and rear.

    The hopes will be about 190 dollars cheaper

    Riding is tecnical singletrack with a lot roots, and small ups and downs.
    Weight is 190 alll geared up.

    Which would you choose???????????????

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    These are two complete different type of brakes. Marta is XC, while Hope M4 is more AM/FR oriented. Marta is light, while Hope is heavy. You need to figure out what type of riding you will be doing first. If you are an advanced/intermediate rider who requires strong brakes, go with Hope. If you are more of a beginner, pick cheaper brakes, like Avid Juicys. If you are a XC guy concerned about weight, then go with Martas.

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    they would be better if compared to the gustav's if you want to compared with magura products

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    The M4s are not really comparable to the Gustavs... more to the Louise FR.

    It sounds like the M4 may be a better match to your riding style. If you want to save some weight, you can run a Mini or a smaller rotor or both in the rear. The Marta SL is an excellent brake... but more for XC.

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    I would

    call myself a skilled rider (been riding mtb's since 1994)
    Is a said my trails are very tecnical with a LOT of roots,and no big downhils.
    Denmark is pretty flat
    What i need is a powerful brake with GREAT modulation.
    Weight is not so important.

    The looks of hope is industrial where Marta SL i more "designed" (i like both)
    Love the red colour of the Marta SL

    One thing that keeps me leaning towards the HOPE is that it is very EASY to bleed
    and the lever shape is great (the TECH M4 is supposed to be better)
    + there should be no lever play ( i HATE lever play)
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    If you want something with great modulation, and $$$ is no object, get Formula Ones. That is what I use on both of my bikes (trail and DH). Medium weight. Great power. Great modulation. Looks good. Best brakes out there right now. Formula Oros are also good.

    Marta is okay, but not for steep stuff. It could be okay for technical sections, as long as it is not constant and long like a downhill run. Hope is okay, but Formulas are way better. Easier to bleed than Hopes also.

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    I went from 07 Marta SL's to Formula Puros and was very happy. The older version Martas where difficult to keep drag free and lacked power compared to the Puros. I have now ditched the Formulas due to few problems. I now have the 09 Marta SL and I can say that they equal to the Puros in power, they have better modulation and the "new" bleed system couldn't be easier. Plus, you don't have to mess with Dot fluid. Set-up was a basic and they have stayed drag free.

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    I would go with an M4 or a Mini up front. and a Mini inthe rear.

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    If weight is important, also consider the Hope Mini Pro, they are lighter than Marta SLs. I'm a Magura to Hope convert, the main reason being the flexibility and serviceability of Hope. Oh, yeah and don't forget to calculate the brake bleed kit into the equation, another 30 euro saving to the Hope brakes.

    If you want an all round brakeset and weight is not your first concern, I'd say go M4 or M4 front Mini back. A 160 back should easily do the job, especially with an M4. I've got an M4 with 180 in the back (heat capacity for the Alps in the summer) and can lock the rear wheel very easy. If you buy Hope you can get braided hoses as a pretty cheap upgrade. I hear a lot of people saying they don't notice a difference and thus that it is purely cosmetic. However I find that the best part about these braided hoses is that they are very flexible (really much more flexible than regular hoses), which is nice for some suspension/cable-routing designs.

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    I love my M4's and floating rotors. They have been trouble free (knock on wood), and pretty light for a brake set with a four piston caliper. I would say that their power to weight ratio is probably right up near the top.

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    Order has been made

    2009 Hope Tech M4 180mm front 160mm rear
    Floating rotor's and braided lines.

    They should arrive tomorrow

    Will post pictures and weight's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas
    2009 Hope Tech M4 180mm front 160mm rear
    Floating rotor's and braided lines.

    They should arrive tomorrow

    Will post pictures and weight's
    Well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Well?
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas
    They should arrive tomorrow
    Patience grasshopper

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    Personally I think the Hope Mini X2 pro is a better comparision to the Magura Marta SLs.

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    Thomas, have they arrived yet? Would love to know what you think re power and modulation. Piccies would be great too!

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    They have arrived today

    And they are the best looking brakes i have ever seen

    Won't be able to speak about their performance yet! Still need to build my wheels

    here is a lot of pictures.
    The complete weights is 481,2gram for the front brake :
    full lenght braided brake lines,183mm floating rotor and adapter postmount to postmount.

    Rearbrake is 456,4 gram with braided line 160mm rotor and post to IS adapter

    both are weighed without bolts (going to use TI-bolts)

    One thing i love like is that there is NO play whatsoever in the brakelevers
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    More pictures

    They look good
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    And more pictures

    Cant wait to try them
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    Wow great photos, they look cool

    Please let us know how they perform when you get a chance

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    sweet brakes

    where did you get those bad boys from? Everywhere I look they are out of stock

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    Bought them

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    Thomas, have you fitted and tried the new M4's yet?

    Some pics of them on bike would be good too.

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    Sorry

    Not yet
    Still waiting for my hubs,which are in customs right now.
    Hope they will be here by the end of the week (still need to build them though)

    some times next week the bike should be finished
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    My set of V2 front/M4 rear will be here within a week
    Those are sooo sexy!

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    Awesome pics, Thomas! Lovely Brakes.
    I just ordered my Hope Tech M4 180/180 set with braided hose and Ti bolts.Will be building my new ride during Christmas holiday.
    Was 50/50 with M4 or X2, but more power is better then 200g weight save.

    Just hope i made right choice.

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