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    Hope Stealth Race EVO X2 feedback

    I'm in the market for a set of stronger brakes. I've ridden nothing but Avid since I started mountain biking again in 2008. Since that time I've ridden Juicy Ultimates, Elixer CR, Gen 1 XX, 2013 XO and currently have 2013 XX. They all had similar characteristics in the way they feel. Excellent modulation but not super strong stopping power. The XO actually felt the best.

    I really like the look of the Hope Stealth Race EVO X2 brakes. The weight is decent and there is no carbon fiber injection molded fragile bits. The reviews I can find are all very consistent. Not all over the map like some other brakes. Can anyone provide me some first hand experience with these brakes?

    FYI: I'm 170# and would consider myself an aggressive cross country rider. I ride a carbon 29" hard tail if you need to know.

    Thanks for any feedback.

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    They are a great brake, not the most powerful, but you can get a ton of different pad choices and disc choices. I had the x2 on the rear of my HD and it was great, no fade, but I needed a tad more power potential, so I went with the v4's all the way around. Complete overkill, but why not. The x2 is a great brake, no noise, no leaks, no issues and great modulation.

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    Define "Aggressive XC" . . . I run an X2 on the rear of my AM/Trail bike and I agree with mazspeed. It's just not that powerful of a brake. If you were mostly riding flat(ish) XC terrain though, it might be okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Define "Aggressive XC" . . . I run an X2 on the rear of my AM/Trail bike and I agree with mazspeed. It's just not that powerful of a brake. If you were mostly riding flat(ish) XC terrain though, it might be okay.
    I was running it on a whimpy 160 disc, but on a 180 on the front should be much better. Plus I go 220, so he should be good. Worse case, get a set of ebc red pads and you would be really set. Im going to run them on my SLR now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Define "Aggressive XC" . . . I run an X2 on the rear of my AM/Trail bike and I agree with mazspeed. It's just not that powerful of a brake. If you were mostly riding flat(ish) XC terrain though, it might be okay.
    I live in North Georgia so we have a little of everything terrain wise. How does the power compare to the XX? If you have ridden them of course.

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    Avid XX do have some complaints from some users. The hopes are a much better brake. I would ave to say that hopes are the best mtb brakes currently going. If you can get them, get them.

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    I have the Tech X2 and Tech M4 Evos for my bikes. The X2s are great brakes, excellent modulation, adjustablility, super quite (unlike avid), easy to bleed, and pretty good power. Im 200lbs and the X2 work just fine however they do lack a bit of power for the steeps for me. They should be just fine for your XC rig. I went with the M4 evo on my new stumpy fsr, and they are quite the step up in braking, however my trails are snowed in and I havent had a chance to fully test them. The race levers are sweet, but they lack the adjustments of the tech lever. Most people complain about the tech lever bulkyness but it works just fine for me and they look quite burly. You cant go wrong with hopes, by the way dont get the floating rotors. I had issues with play in the rivots, and decided to go with the fixed hope rotor and didnt notice a difference in performance. Mazspeed is right hopes are one of the best upgrades you can make to a bike, and wheels. The rest is just bling.

    By the way I ride trails in South Eastern Wyoming, and northern Colorado.

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    Hope Stealth Race EVO X2 feedback

    Thanks for the feedback so far.

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    By the way I have the 2012 Sram X7 shifters and have no problem with clearance with the bulky tech lever and that's without the hope matchmaker. Some people have had issues with shimano shifters.

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    Hope Stealth Race EVO X2 feedback

    I'm running XX1 grip shift and an XLoc remote. Currently have a right handed xloc but have a left hand version on the way.

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    The X2 is nice, but it doesn't have enough power for me, and I suspect fade would be a problem as well if I lived in a place with bigger downhills. Mind you I just bought an M820 Saint for the front of my XC/Trail bike so I'm decidedly in the overkill is betterer camp considering that I only weigh 150 lbs.

    Going back to the X2, as others have said the modulation is great and the brakes are nice & quiet. I had to yank the levers harder than I'd like to when braking from higher speeds, but they felt fine for most stuff up to about 15km/h or so, give or take a bit depending on steepness. On tight, lower speed trails I'd be just fine with them, but for the trails at my friend's cottage where I'm often flying around at over 40km/h it's just not enough brake for the way I prefer to ride.

    I'd say go M4 front and X2 rear. Not too much of a weight penalty, but it puts a fair bit more braking power where you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerius View Post

    I'd say go M4 front and X2 rear. Not too much of a weight penalty, but it puts a fair bit more braking power where you need it.
    I agree with this here, the x2 is great for many things, and would be great on a 180 or even 203 disc, but the m4 in front is where it is at, and you can get almost any custom color you want cheap here. hope
    I changed the color of my parts to gunmetal. Just a little custom thing, they look really cool as well.
    This combo works for a lot of people.

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    There is always XTR Race but the Hope look so nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jc280 View Post
    There is always XTR Race but the Hope look so nice.
    The XTR race will fade faster and has about the same power as the x2. It will be more powerful at first hit, but the more you hit squeeze the lever on both, the hopes will become a little more powerful as you press. On long downhill runs, I never felt fade on the x2s, but did a lot on the xtr's. The hopes are very controllable all the way though the stroke.

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    Hope Stealth Race EVO X2 feedback

    Was able to put my hands on a set of Stealth Tech Evo X2. They felt and looked awesome. Didn't get to ride them on the trail but just putting hands on was good. Will these have similar feel and power as the race version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jc280 View Post
    Was able to put my hands on a set of Stealth Tech Evo X2. They felt and looked awesome. Didn't get to ride them on the trail but just putting hands on was good. Will these have similar feel and power as the race version?
    On the power aspect, yes probably . . . on the feel aspect, maybe. Maybe not. with the race version you do lose some adjustability of the lever.
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    Here is some pretty good information.

    How We Test Hydraulic Disc Brakes - BikeRadar

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    Quote Originally Posted by jc280 View Post
    Here is some pretty good information.

    How We Test Hydraulic Disc Brakes - BikeRadar
    I stopped looking at bike radar testing for anything relevant years ago. Insufficient testing, most of the time no explanations on anything like testing procedures. I really think they take short and long straws or advertising dollars. Your best reviews are from pro racers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    I stopped looking at bike radar testing for anything relevant years ago. Insufficient testing, most of the time no explanations on anything like testing procedures. I really think they take short and long straws or advertising dollars. Your best reviews are from pro racers.
    Bingo.
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    I ordered a set of the Race X2. Looking forward to my first set of non Avid brakes.

    Thanks for the feedback!

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    Hey jc280, what rotor size did you decide to go with? I ran 183 f and 160 rear for my old 26er stumpy. It was plenty of power up front however in the rear 183 would have been better for my weight 200lbs. For your weight 183 f and 160 rear should be good.

    You wont have any issues with the power, I had the old X2s and they are great. The evos are suppose to have more power than the older model.

    Spoiler alert! Once you hear the hope buzzing noise you will be hooked on hopes.

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    I'm going to give 160 front and rear a go. I weigh 165-170 most days. If the 160 don't work out then I'll go one size up in the front.

    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Hey jc280, what rotor size did you decide to go with? I ran 183 f and 160 rear for my old 26er stumpy. It was plenty of power up front however in the rear 183 would have been better for my weight 200lbs. For your weight 183 f and 160 rear should be good.

    You wont have any issues with the power, I had the old X2s and they are great. The evos are suppose to have more power than the older model.

    Spoiler alert! Once you hear the hope buzzing noise you will be hooked on hopes.

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    Hey jc280 make sure to post up a pic when you get those installed, and dont forget to post up a detailed review for us bike nerds on this post.

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    Hey forgot to mention you may have to trim your hoses on the hopes depending on your frame size. Its super easy, and only requires a 8 mm wrench, cutters, and pair of pliers. You will be able to reuse the parts, just dont damage it when you pull the barb out of the hose. After finishing shorting your hoses, make sure the master cylinder is level, and take the cover off (small torex screws) and refill the res. with dot 5.1 brake fluid and bleed the brake. If your careful you wont have to do this when shorting the hose, but I would do it anyways just to see how easy it is to bleed its very similar to bleeding a dirt bike brake. Check out hopes site for bleed tips.

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    Hope Stealth Race EVO X2 feedback

    Watched the video and it looks super easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jc280 View Post
    Watched the video and it looks super easy.
    It is pretty easy to bleed, yes. But I still have problems with leaking MC caps. I've got the front brake lever sealed without drips, but I can't get the rear to stop dripping. I've been told that its because I'm getting the fluid too hot during descents and am essentially forcing the seal out of place. Not sure if I believe that or not, but I suppose its semi-plausible.
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    Get a new diphram. Hot temps wont make the master leak. Or it shouldn't i should say. You may have pinched it or have a burr/pit on the ring.

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    Hope Stealth Race EVO X2 feedback

    Went out on the maidan voyage with the new brakes today. Once I took those darn carbon rotors off all was perfect. They modulate fantastic and have plenty of power. More power than my XX. I have to bleed the rear again as it is still softer than the front. Bleeding it again should make it feel a little more firm. They look amazing!

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    Are the carbon rotors not very good? I heard they have a difficult bed in process but once dialed in it should be pretty good. (i heard anyways) The rear will always feel a touch more soft than the rear, but it should not be pronounced. On my other hope post i have a detailed bleed process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    Are the carbon rotors not very good? I heard they have a difficult bed in process but once dialed in it should be pretty good. (i heard anyways) The rear will always feel a touch more soft than the rear, but it should not be pronounced. On my other hope post i have a detailed bleed process.
    I'm going to give your process a go to see if it will firm up the rear a little.

    Here are my thoughts on the carbon rotors. From another thread.

    Here is my review of the 160 SFL rotors that I have been running for the last couple of weeks.

    I'm running these rotors on a 2013 BH Ultimate 29er with 2013 Avid XX brakes and organic pads. I weigh 165-170# on most days. I started with new pads as suggested by the manufacturer. The rotors looked good out of the package and mounted up perfectly. Nice and straight with no rub on the pads. I performed the bedding in process as suggested which resulted in mediocre braking performance. I decided to spend some extra time bedding them in which slowly improved the braking performance. The stopping power was good enough that I decided to take them to the trail.

    Once I hit the trail it was a little sketchy to begin with. There was just no stopping power. However the more I rode the stronger the brakes got. I only put in 11 or 12 miles the first ride but the brakes just continued to get stronger. As of today I have approximately 70 miles on the rotors. The braking power seems to have reached its maximum potential with the organic pads. I will say that the SFL rotors are super quite. They are far superior to the Avid rotors in that department.

    Today I decided to throw the steel rotors and old organic pads back on. I tooled around to bed them back in and set out. The steel with the organic pads definitely has more stopping power at maximum lever pull. When you need to get stopped the steel has that little extra at the end. I will say that the SFL rotors modulate much better and don't have that grabby feel the steel has. Very smooth off and on but they just don't have that little extra power at the end when you need to make that "OH CRAP" stop.

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    Very interesting. Great review. Let me know how the process goes with the hopes. If you need more help with bleeding, let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    Very interesting. Great review. Let me know how the process goes with the hopes. If you need more help with bleeding, let me know.
    Followed your bleeding process but I advanced the pads in slightly. I had to force the pads in slightly after I was finished to get the rotors to clear the pads properly. The feel is perfect now. Crazy how quick and easy the bleeding process is.

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    Ok great, glad it worked out.

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    Hey jc280 do you get the hope buzz noise on the CF rotors or just the standard hope rotors when hitting the binders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Hey jc280 do you get the hope buzz noise on the CF rotors or just the standard hope rotors when hitting the binders?
    No buzz with the carbon rotors. It must be just the Hope rotors as the XX that I have on the bike now don't have the buzz either.

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    Dam I love the buzz noise. Im sticking to my hope rotors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jc280 View Post
    No buzz with the carbon rotors. It must be just the Hope rotors as the XX that I have on the bike now don't have the buzz either.
    Do Hope a favor and ditch those avid rotors. I don't mean to sound grumpy but anything avid is off of my bike. By the way could we get some pics of your new X2s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Do Hope a favor and ditch those avid rotors. I don't mean to sound grumpy but anything avid is off of my bike. By the way could we get some pics of your new X2s?
    Thought about it. Anyone running the race rotor?

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    Do you mean hope floating rotors? I have ran both the floating and fixed rotors from hope. The floating rotors developed a lot of play in the rivets after 2 years of riding so I switched to the fixed. I didnt notice a difference in performance between the two. Go with the hope fixed rotors, plus they are way cheaper than the floating rotors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Do you mean hope floating rotors? I have ran both the floating and fixed rotors from hope. The floating rotors developed a lot of play in the rivets after 2 years of riding so I switched to the fixed. I didnt notice a difference in performance between the two. Go with the hope fixed rotors, plus they are way cheaper than the floating rotors.
    That just tells me the rivets have been doing their job then. I'm quite happy with my 2-piece rotors. They stay truer longer and are easier to align if they get knocked out of true, and they dissipate heat well. Plus they make fun "pinging" noises as they cool after a hot run.
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    Yeah 007 you have your point. Either way hope makes great rotors.

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    Sweet. Those hope race master cylinders are quite a bit smaller than the tech series. How does it clamp to the bar?

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    Never mind, I should have looked at the diagrams first. Sweet setup.

    http://www.hopetech.com/webtop/modul...ylexploded.pdf

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    I brought the hope race with m4 . What a waist of a m4 because the lever just can not give it the power it needs . Far to much lever travel before the bite forcing you to adjust your lever reach out . I thought something was wrong with them so I emailed hope. They said this is because the pads have more space between them for mud clearance . Sold them in the end and got some new hope X2 stealth tech ones and my god the feel in the lever is so so much better and the power is greater than the race with a m4 . That confirms it for me because my x2 is stronger power than a m4 so the race lever simply does not work well and does not seem to push enough oil . I know this is a old thread but anyone thinking of buying the race just buy the tech X2

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    Must agree with you, the Tech lever is just amazing in function and form. Hope all the way imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruscle View Post
    Must agree with you, the Tech lever is just amazing in function and form. Hope all the way imo.
    I've got Tech X2 183/160 on my Canfield. The construction of the lever gives me a techno-boner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2013megaAM View Post
    I brought the hope race with m4 . What a waist of a m4 because the lever just can not give it the power it needs . Far to much lever travel before the bite forcing you to adjust your lever reach out . I thought something was wrong with them so I emailed hope. They said this is because the pads have more space between them for mud clearance . Sold them in the end and got some new hope X2 stealth tech ones and my god the feel in the lever is so so much better and the power is greater than the race with a m4 . That confirms it for me because my x2 is stronger power than a m4 so the race lever simply does not work well and does not seem to push enough oil . I know this is a old thread but anyone thinking of buying the race just buy the tech X2
    That's really interesting about the lever . . . never thought about functional differences between the Race and the Tech, but apparently there are!

    Glad it worked out for you. I would have just bought new levers and kept the calipers, but it sounds like you're happy so who cares what I would do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    That's really interesting about the lever . . . never thought about functional differences between the Race and the Tech, but apparently there are!

    Glad it worked out for you. I would have just bought new levers and kept the calipers, but it sounds like you're happy so who cares what I would do!
    I did think about just buying the levers but I was offered £200 for the race so it was a no brainier

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    I just a set of X2 EVO's for my fisher superfly and I'm super impress with them, I did install EBC red pads on them, running hope floating rotors (183 in front 160 in the rear)

    I'm about 245 with gear and they stop me just fine

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