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    Hayes Stroker or BB7's?

    I have both of these brakes but need to sell one for other parts.

    Which one would you keep for your bike and why? I know that the Stroker is hydraulic and the BB7s are mechanical but not sure which one to keep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowOnO2 View Post
    I have both of these brakes but need to sell one for other parts.

    Which one would you keep for your bike and why? I know that the Stroker is hydraulic and the BB7s are mechanical but not sure which one to keep.
    Any hydraulic brake is better than best mechanical brake.

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    ^^^ most retarded reply ever ^^^

    Personally, I would keep the BB7.

    Ive had terrible luck with Hayes in the past and will never own another pair or 4 ever again. Every pair I had, the pistons would stick within months of use. My BB7's never had any issues. My fav brakes of all though, Shimano, never had one issue with any of the several pairs Ive owned.

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    I will never touch hayes again.
    but never had a bb7

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    Quote Originally Posted by liranbachar View Post
    i will never touch hayes again.
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    i would off the bb7 unless u have stroker rydes.imo the rydes r not that great and may stick a piston where bb7 is consistant and dont often fail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy.Ford View Post
    Personally, I would keep the BB7.

    Ive had terrible luck with Hayes in the past and will never own another pair or 4 ever again. Every pair I had, the pistons would stick within months of use. My BB7's never had any issues. My fav brakes of all though, Shimano, never had one issue with any of the several pairs Ive owned.

    My experience exactly.
    I have both and used both. I dumped the strokers for the BB7s, but the shimano hydros are superior to both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanamees View Post
    Any hydraulic brake is better than best mechanical brake.
    Stupidest statement ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanamees View Post
    Any hydraulic brake is better than best mechanical brake.
    Unquantifiable statement.

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    I had good luck when I had the Hayes Stroker Carbons. They are not the easiest to bleed, but I think you will be fine with either one in the end.

    I have not had the best of luck with Shimano Hydros.... The one pair I own has to go back to Shimano after 7 months of use, 5 or more of which they did not work properly.

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    Had both, kept the BB7s, dumped the Strokers.

    > Any hydraulic brake is better than best mechanical brake.

    This was stupid.

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    I've had great experiences with both the bb7s and the stroker trail. I've always used hayes brakes and they've treated me well.
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    My strokers have been flawless. Id take them unconditionally over the BB7's (which I rode for a season). I never have to adjust them, fix them, or do anything with them, they just work every time.

    The BB7's had more power, but the strokers have beyond more modulation. Incomparably better feel. If bb7's are the best cable brake, ill never run a cable brake on a mountain bike again.

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    On the General Discussion page people who were 100% for the Avid 7 gave me negative rep (what a bunch of losers) for my belief that some modulation on the Hayes is better than none which the BB7 does not physically have.

    I've own 6 pairs of BB7's when they came out and yes they do stop better but they had horrible modulation.
    Also your fingers hurt after a 3 mile downhill. People who rave about the BB7's never did a cold, windy & rainy Washington State 8 mile downhill section at temps of 38 degrees. Go with hydraulics, you can pick up a used BB7 for $20 which I sold per caliper/rotor.
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    I have 2 sets of Stroker Trails on my Stinkys and the pistons never seized. I live in SoCal
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatcat View Post
    I live in SoCal that may have something to do with it
    Yeah, that probably goes a long way to explaining your attitude

    (Apologies to all you other southern Californians who aren't wankers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by womble View Post
    Yeah, that probably goes a long way to explaining your attitude

    (Apologies to all you other southern Californians who aren't wankers)

    I too am from SoCal and agree with your comment, we def have a fair share of @sshats with sh!tty attitudes.

    I'm also not sure what brake levers others are using, but I doubt they were SD7 levers. SD7 (or any lever with Speed dial) levers have Speed Dial leverage adjustment which helps a ton with modulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanamees View Post
    Any hydraulic brake is better than best mechanical brake.
    I laugh at your ignorance


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    Quote Originally Posted by vanamees View Post
    Any hydraulic brake is better than best mechanical brake.
    Hey, any brake is better then no brake at all too




    As far as I'm concerned, both of your brakes can give you good power and reliability, but you should consider how much you could sell each set, which is your main concern here.

    BB7 have a good resale value, and there's a good market for them everywhere. Myself I'm looking for them right now.

    Your Hayes could sell maybe a bit higher then the BB7, but you have to see how much interest there is for those right now. Why don't you put both set on sale for the max $$ you could hope get out of them and see which one goes the best and pays more.

    I can't decide for you, since I don't know the conditions of the brake sets, so I'm only giving out suggestions.


    And to those who think BB7 are not as good as hydro, obviously you had a wrong set-up and even bad housing/cable or not using good levers or the SD 7 levers.

    I have straight rotors, full (stiff) housing and good cables, using SD 7 levers and a BB7 front and MX2 rear and I have ZERO friction in the system. Only resistance comes from the levers return spring and the return springs of the calipers actuation arms. I'm happy with it, no noise or power fade and that's all what matter.
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    I've had BB7s on my bike and only recently upgraded to Magura Marta SL Hydros because they were offered to me at a price I couldn't refuse. BB7 vs Hydro, sure- lever effort is a lot less with the hydros, and modulation is *easier* but it doesn't mean that it was non-existent with the BB7. I could modulate my BB7 brakes just as well as the other guys with their hydro brakes, and I wasn't even running SD levers(I had XT DCL levers)- it all boils down to rider technique.

    A lot of people who install BB7s have been spoiled by installing hydros and don't take the extra care necessary with the cable routing. Make sure you have no sharp bends in your routing and you'll be surprised how smooth and easy it is to use the BB7s. The first thing people who have been weaned on hydros say when they get over the initial shock of seeing mech brakes on my bike would be "wow, they feel just like hydros".

    I'm not going to say that BB7s are just as good or better than high end hydros. For most users, it still is easier to learn proper modulation with a good set of hydros, but its not impossible with the BB7s. Not all bikes have the proper cable routing that allow drag-free routing for mech brakes. Most frame manufacturers assume that hydro brakes will be installed on their frames so they don't bother with keeping the cable routing "mech brake friendly".

    Bottom line fore the OP, if you've managed to master proper modulation with your BB7s and if you've gotten a mech brake friendly frame design- then stick with it. But if you find that you have problems with either- then keep the hydros instead.

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    Thats the other great thing about hydros. You dont have to worry about your cables, housings, routing, or if your pads are adjusted right that day. They just work consistently. You can play with housing, lever, and technique combos until you get the bb7's right, or just toss on a hydro and go ride.

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    Well thats one way to look at it. But personally, I'd rather spend the night changing cables and housings of my BB7s than bleeding my Martas.

    I do know what you mean though. For probably the vast majority of the riding public who don't work on their own bikes, having a set hydros that are properly setup from day-1 does have it's advantages.

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    I'd sell both and buy a set of slx or xt brakes.

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    The Strokers have better stopping power (in my opinion), and the BB7s pretty much have adjustability beyond comparison. I'd go with the Strokers.
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    Oh if I had to choose I'd pick the strokers. Cable brakes feel like poop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    Oh if I had to choose I'd pick the strokers. Cable brakes feel like poop.
    Glad you know how poop feels like
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    You've never experienced poop before? How are you still alive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    Oh if I had to choose I'd pick the strokers. Cable brakes feel like poop.

    You've never experienced poop before? How are you still alive?
    Alright, so you said cable brakes feels like poop. Then you ask me with my personal experience about "poop"...

    Well, I think I can conclude by saying you were actually using the cable brakes the wrong way. They're not for picking up poop, that's why it feels like poop, because it's actually going all over your hands... And yes, I'm still alive by using toilet paper and washing my hands afterward. And I usually don't wipe myself before I'm done, but after. So poop is still not a big deal for me... But feel free to comment on how your experience picking up poop with hydro brakes
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    Cable brakes will never have the feeling of a nice hydraulic brake was my point. All you're doing is fixating on my analogy instead of giving any facts on how cable brakes are somehow better (even though they're not).

    BB7's are heavy, need adjustments, are susceptible to weather and conditions and require more force to mimic the braking of a hydraulic brake. With that said they're better then ANY hydraulic avid brake so at least they've got that going for them.

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    Only thing is "nice" hydro brakes are was more expensive then a nice BB7 setup. Of course high end hydro like Formulas, XT/XTR, Hope or Magura will perform and feel better then any mech. But there's some people here that know better what to do with their money when it comes down to budgeting a build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    Only thing is "nice" hydro brakes are was more expensive then a nice BB7 setup. Of course high end hydro like Formulas, XT/XTR, Hope or Magura will perform and feel better then any mech. But there's some people here that know better what to do with their money when it comes down to budgeting a build.

    At the end of the day, all that matter is that you're happy with your ride
    His strokers are better then bb7's plain and simple. You can get slx brakes for $100 each. What's a bb7 cost? $60 for a caliper and rotor?

    You speak like someone who has never owned a hydraulic disk brake before. Let me know when you get some experience with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    His strokers are better then bb7's plain and simple. You can get slx brakes for $100 each. What's a bb7 cost? $60 for a caliper and rotor?

    You speak like someone who has never owned a hydraulic disk brake before. Let me know when you get some experience with them.
    I paid $47 for my BB7 from Jenson. 203mm rotor, caliper with pads, all the adaptors and hardware included. Put it at about $100 for front and rear, add $20 for SD 7 levers and another $20-25 for cables and housing (like a Jagwire Ripcord brake kit) and you're all set for less then $150, no extra cost. No need to buy a bleed kit or extra fluid, hydro hose cutter, etc...

    You are right, I never owned a hydraulic disc brake. But I have some experience with them. I had a few rides on Hayes, Shimano's SLX/XT and Formula R1's. I have to say the biggest downside to hydro's are the no-resistance lever feel. Since all my regular riding is on cable brakes, every times I hump on a hydo set, I have to actually squeeze the levers and then try to move the bike to be sure there is something happening with the brakes. At least with cable ones, you feel how much force is applied and can quickly learn the exact braking force you put on the disc only by "lever feel". And that's a plus IMO when you are in very slow technical terrain, where you need to control very precisely how much brake you take or let go and how it's happening, which can be difficult with hydro levers, since you actually have to wait for the bike to start moving to know how much brake is given.

    That's my though coming from mech brakes. But the "no effort lever brake" is also good for the poor racers who are out of shape in their fingers
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    So the same price as a set of slx brakes including ice tech rotors. They're also way lighter then your setup and have more power.

    Really your complaint just sounds like a lack of seat time. I've also never bled my brakes (even after shortening the lines) and I used them all last season with zero issues. They're also true 1 finger braking which means more on the grips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    So the same price as a set of slx brakes including ice tech rotors. They're also way lighter then your setup and have more power.
    You said $100 per wheel for SLX. That means at least $200 for the set. The BB7 would be less then $150 for everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    Really your complaint just sounds like a lack of seat time. I've also never bled my brakes (even after shortening the lines) and I used them all last season with zero issues. They're also true 1 finger braking which means more on the grips.
    Funny, I never had to bleed my brake too

    I also have true 1 finger braking btw. But I'm so good I don't need extra fingers on the grips. Saddle time is really not a concern here.
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    Ah I miss read your price breakdown I apologize.


    I was referring to your "on-off" comment about hydraulic brakes when I said you need more seat time with them. It's for sure not the case.

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    Yeah, it's alright.

    Good point on the on-off feeling. For sure there's a change in brake force for pull effort when going from cable to hydro. One's should get use to it pretty easy, but only if they stay with either hydro or cable, since alternating from one to the other might in fact need a lot more hours on both to keep the feel of each ones intact between changes. Like riding a mtb all winter long and then hump onto a road bike in the summer. You just have to get the feeling back in and then it's all good.
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    I was off my mountain bike for a year, riding the road bike exclusively. Hopped back on last week and my strokers felt completely natural They dont feel on/off at all, they're not a grabby brake. If anything, they're a tiny bit down on power (all though thats completely remedied with a larger rotor).

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    My 3 bikes have 3 different types of brakes, Hydro(Magura Marta Sl), Mech Disc(Avid BB7) and V-brakes(Shimano ALivio). It may just be me, but I have no problems shifting from one braking system to the other- usually several times during the course of the week. <shrugs>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    Oh if I had to choose I'd pick the strokers. Cable brakes feel like poop.
    I've tried both. One set of Strokers had less modulation than the BB7s, another set of Strokers had more modulation and less power. Both pairs of Strokers were bled multiple times. My conclusion: the Hayes were just bloody inconsistent. They obviously work for some people such as yourself, but overall I think that the product was hit or miss... too often it was miss.

    It didn't help that the Hayes brake lever design is terrible. It's designed to be as strong as cheese during a bar impact- there is no cross sectional strength so it bends really easily. It's just a lame piece of engineering. The good points are flip flop and reach adjust, but these are pretty easy to achieve with cable levers too.

    Currently running various flavours of Hopes, which I prefer over both BB7s and Strokers. But at the low end of the pricing scale, BB7s are pretty much unbeatable.

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