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    Elixir R vs Elixis CR

    Can someone explain to me what the difference between the two is? Thanks

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    CR- Contact and Reach Adjustment, I believe.

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    cr has the pad contact adjustment, they both have the lever reach adjustment.

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    any other difference besides that??? like master or caliper differences?

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    adjustable banjo on the calipers. carbon lever. no more strokers poh? the elixirs are rad. i have them on the v10
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    CR's are shiny black with anodized red contact adjustment barrel and banjo fiitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJensen
    adjustable banjo on the calipers. carbon lever. no more strokers poh? the elixirs are rad. i have them on the v10
    i love my strokers but thought i'd try something new... how do you like your elixirs compared to Strokers or Juicy7??

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    stainless bolts, iirc
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    On one of the new Specialized Stumpjumper 2009's the Elixir R's SL are mounted in shiny black with carbon lever. Looks beter than the retail version in silver, and better than the CR's - personally I would go for the Elixir R's in black, as the contact adjustment barrel spoils the looks of these brakes.

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    I've got the retail R's. The only thing I'd want from the CR is the adjustable banjo.

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    Elixirs have a more gradual engagement feel. I read in Dirt Rag mag that this is by design, due to the "taper" barrel cylinder. J7's feel snappy, either on or off, no spongy feel. Not noticing any more or less power thus far. Much easier to maintenance with the top pad insertion, nice.
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    go for juicy ultimates in white

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDH
    go for juicy ultimates in white
    Juicy's ... the worst brakes ever ...

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    Worst brake?

    Quote Originally Posted by madskatingcow
    Juicy's ... the worst brakes ever ...
    So...what's better in your opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HTail
    So...what's better in your opinion?
    well if they were the worst brakes ever, then logically it follows everything is better lol. Seriously tho, I have heard some good things about the CR, and am considering them for my next build.
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    I've had Juicy Seven's which suffered from fading on the slightest descend. Best brakes I've ever had were the Formula Oro Puro's 160/160, ridden many marathons with them, spent a week in the mountains in Austria, no fading, no problems at all. Truly awesome brakes!

    But I have to admit the Elixir's are quite appealing and have caught my eye.

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    So far Elixirs are good

    so far I'm happy with them. The power has increased dramatically over the last ride or two. It takes a good 4-5 rides to break the pads/rotors in.

    Still getting rub on the front, can't seem to get descent pad to rotor gap. Rear's work great. Much of this is alignment. As anyone that has used Avid and their cps system, it takes some fiddling to get 'em aligned.

    The reason I asked the prev post what is a "good" brake in his opinon, is that I haven't tried other brands of discs. The new Hayes look intriguing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madskatingcow
    I've had Juicy Seven's which suffered from fading on the slightest descend. Best brakes I've ever had were the Formula Oro Puro's 160/160, ridden many marathons with them, spent a week in the mountains in Austria, no fading, no problems at all. Truly awesome brakes!

    But I have to admit the Elixir's are quite appealing and have caught my eye.
    Sounds like the brakes weren't set up correctly. Either the fluid was old and nasty, you had air in the system, or you needed to try a different pad compound.

    Still getting rub on the front, can't seem to get descent pad to rotor gap. Rear's work great. Much of this is alignment. As anyone that has used Avid and their cps system, it takes some fiddling to get 'em aligned.
    Have you made sure that the system is not overfilled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XSL_WiLL
    Sounds like the brakes weren't set up correctly. Either the fluid was old and nasty, you had air in the system, or you needed to try a different pad compound.
    Brand new brakes? Don't think so. I'm a skilled mechanic, have all the right tools (torque wrench etc), assembled numerous bikes / brakes with no issues at all .. Just a poor design, read the reviews of the Juicy's on mtbr or plenty of other forum's, same conclusion over & over : crap ! Note : I had the polygon rotors. I contacted Avid, sent them some pictures and received back 2 sets of new brake pads, 2x 160 mm front disc and 1x a 180mm disc (sold the brakes right away). Service wise, excellent

    But hey, perhaps the new ones will be better and I might give them a try although the Formula R1 is also very appealing and I still got a pair of brand new Magura Marta SL 2009's in box on my desk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madskatingcow
    Brand new brakes? Don't think so. I'm a skilled mechanic, have all the right tools (torque wrench etc), assembled numerous bikes / brakes with no issues at all .. Just a poor design, read the reviews of the Juicy's on mtbr or plenty of other forum's, same conclusion over & over : crap ! Note : I had the polygon rotors. I contacted Avid, sent them some pictures and received back 2 sets of new brake pads, 2x 160 mm front disc and 1x a 180mm disc (sold the brakes right away). Service wise, excellent

    But hey, perhaps the new ones will be better and I might give them a try although the Formula R1 is also very appealing and I still got a pair of brand new Magura Marta SL 2009's in box on my desk.
    Just because the brakes are new doesn't mean that the fluid was fresh. It could've sat on the shelf for a while. I don't see what a torque wrench has to do with a bad bleed.

    There are plenty of DHers that run Juicies. Many with fade issues resolved them with a fresh bleed.

    Most of the reviews complain about noise/vibration. Many of these problems do come from improper setup.

    Formula designed the Juicy line...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmcgoy
    I've got the retail R's. The only thing I'd want from the CR is the adjustable banjo.
    I'm really on the fence between the R and CR. The only thing that's keeping me from dropping the extra coin on the CRs is the fugly (IMO) colorway. The red ano looks distracting, and while I know it shouldn't matter, it bugs me to no end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark
    I'm really on the fence between the R and CR. The only thing that's keeping me from dropping the extra coin on the CRs is the fugly (IMO) colorway. The red ano looks distracting, and while I know it shouldn't matter, it bugs me to no end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Do you have any issues with stopping at stop signs?



    (sorry MHM, I just couldn't resist with the whole "red" reference!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark
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    Avid's site (SRAM) says that both the R and CR can be had with crabon levers. Does anyone know if this is true? I'd like carbon levers just for those cold night rides...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmcgoy
    I've got the retail R's. The only thing I'd want from the CR is the adjustable banjo.

    Agreed. That's the only thing from the CR's that I'd like to have on the R's.

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    So this adjustable banjo thing (I assume the red barrel adjuster looking thing). Could someone tell me more about what it does? So like, if your rotors get slightly warped, could you use it to adjust the pads out a little?

    I'm trying to figure out if CR is worth $140 more then R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmilliron
    So this adjustable banjo thing (I assume the red barrel adjuster looking thing). Could someone tell me more about what it does? So like, if your rotors get slightly warped, could you use it to adjust the pads out a little?

    I'm trying to figure out if CR is worth $140 more then R.
    I think the banjo thing is actually on the caliper, and just means you can change the angle the hose comes out at. (but I'm just guessing) The red barrel adjuster only changes when the levers start to contact the rotors, it has nothing to do with dialing in or out the actual pads. I get the impression it just changes how much fluid and/or how fast/slow the fluid will move when you pull the lever, which would just change the feel of the engagement point. (but again, I'm just guessing)

    I will not be spending the extra money for the CR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmilliron
    So this adjustable banjo thing (I assume the red barrel adjuster looking thing). Could someone tell me more about what it does? So like, if your rotors get slightly warped, could you use it to adjust the pads out a little?

    I'm trying to figure out if CR is worth $140 more then R.
    The adjuster on the lever is the pad contact adjuster.

    The banjo is on the caliper, and it can be adjusted so that you get smooth(er) house routing/angle.
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    I'm also in the market and so I've read the reviews here at mtbr for both.

    The CR has much better reviews than the R. Makes me wonder if the pad-contact adjustment does more for you than is obvious?

    Or if there's actually some internal difference that isn't obvious but makes a difference?

    I understand that possibly the only difference is the type of people who spend the extra money also take the extra time to set it up better, but the reviews still have to make me wonder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheelspeed
    I'm also in the market and so I've read the reviews here at mtbr for both.

    The CR has much better reviews than the R.
    The rating for the R is ****ty here on MTBR. However, the actual written reviews all look reasonable.

    /shrug

    CR's are a lot more expensive and I'm having a hard time figuring out how they would be better for me.

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    my anthem x came with the r's, which I took off as I was assembling it and sold to a friend. Those brakes feel so solid, have beautiful modulation and super solid stopping power that I am sorry I ever got rid of them.

    The R's are perfectly adequate brakes. The CR's are cooler looking (opinion) and a bit more tunable. I do use the pad contact knob on my juicys, but I wouldn't be lost without it. . .If your rotors are warped, spend the $20 and buy the park truing tool. No reason to ride around with a messed up setup when you can fix it in 5 minutes.

    EDIT - forgot to mention, another friend of mine has the CR's on two of his bikes, and we have installed 2 other sets for customers. Every set of the elixirs I have felt, ridden, worked on, have been excellent and problem free.

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    I have ridden Juicy 7's for the past three years withou a problem. I started mounting Elixir CR last night, can't wait to try them out. I hope the pad adjustment features works better than on the juicy's

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    I got a smoking deal on a set of CRs off of ebay, $130 per wheel. If I had to pay more than that I would have gone with the Rs and would have been happy either way. There is nothing on the CR that improves the actual performance of the brake when compared to the R, it's all about lever feel, the adjustable banjo and looking cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stb222
    I have ridden Juicy 7's for the past three years withou a problem. I started mounting Elixir CR last night, can't wait to try them out. I hope the pad adjustment features works better than on the juicy's

    you'll love them. The pad contact knob has a more instantaneous effect. On the juicy you can turn the knob 10 or more times, with the elixirs, you have 2 or 3 turns iirc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 743power
    you'll love them. The pad contact knob has a more instantaneous effect. On the juicy you can turn the knob 10 or more times, with the elixirs, you have 2 or 3 turns iirc.
    installed them and first ride was good, but the jury is still out since they aren't broken in yet, looks like they will be good though. The rear brake came with an air bubble, so looks like a bleed is in my very near future...

    btw, the first time I pull the lever, it goes down further than I think it should (knuckle crucher) but on the second/third pull, it is fine. I am assuming a bleed is the only way to remedy this?

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    Don't really want to fork out for the CR's...

    So, have people got any more reviews of the R's? I'm hoping they'll have more modulation than the Juicy's... and if that's true, then I can't really go wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bug74
    So, have people got any more reviews of the R's? I'm hoping they'll have more modulation than the Juicy's... and if that's true, then I can't really go wrong!
    Intial impression is that they do have more modulation than the juicy 7's, which I have been riding for 3+ years.

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    I can't compare the Elixir's to the Juicy's, but compared to the Magura Marta's I was running before, the Elixirs offer more modulation and better lever feel. The -only- complaint right now is a noise. There's a slight 'chirpping' that occurs. I'm on Centerlock hubs and my old XT rotors, so this may not be an issue with the G3 rotors.

    Best statement I can make is that I liked them enough that I swapped out the almost new Marta's I had on my backup bike for another set of the Elixir's.
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    Both the R and CR can be had with the carbon Lever AND the adjustable banjo. You just need to ask.

    I have spent lots of time on both brakes (R and CR). I don't fiddle with the contact adjustment on any of my brakes so the point is a moot one for me. Both brakes felt and worked pretty much the same...flawlessly.

    If you like to fiddle with stuff, get the CRs...if you set-forget and maintain, get the Rs.

    As an aside the new G3 rotors are the sh1t...just awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tozovr
    Both the R and CR can be had with the carbon Lever AND the adjustable banjo. You just need to ask.
    Who do you need to know/ask for this? R's with carbon levers might make me quit BB7's...

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    The info that comes with the Elixirs indicates the adjustable fitting is avail...mine have the regular fitting as it sets up fine with my bike...and I have the carbon levers on my Rs
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    Quote Originally Posted by tozovr
    The info that comes with the Elixirs indicates the adjustable fitting is avail...mine have the regular fitting as it sets up fine with my bike...and I have the carbon levers on my Rs
    Quit your teasin' and tell me where to get the carbon levers!

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    So what you're saying...

    I'm in the same boat...CR versus R. Can someone please post how to obtain the R version with carbon and how to get a black pair that is supposedly custom for Specialized. I can live with the silver but really want carbon levers.

    My buddy just built a new super light Azonic AZ-7 hardtail for this next race season. While he went full XTR (he is definitely not feeling the crunch with this economy), he did get the CR's to match the bike. First and only ride so far, horrible performance. He did not adjust anything out of the box though. A different buddy we ride with has them and loved the performance...worked perfect out of the box. Amazing the difference with NIB product.

    Just for the record, I've had J5 160/160 with the stock G2 rotor on Stan's ZTR Olympic rims/WTB laser hubs and have had to do lots of adjusting to get them right. I thought I roasted them riding the Olympic course in a 12 hr race at Conyers, GA (International Horse Park - site of '96 Olympics). They were fine but still required LOTS of adjusting. Finally have them dialed in and they work beautifully. Why the hell are hydros such a PITA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Quit your teasin' and tell me where to get the carbon levers!

    I just did a search, but this is the only place i could come up with. Kinda spendy at $45 per side!!!


    http://www.ebikestop.com/avid_elixir...15.021.020.php

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    elusive carbon

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    Thanks for the search info....you're right, an extra $90 plus shipping for 2 carbon levers puts me too close to the price of the CR model to justify getting the R with upgraded levers.

    The search continues.
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    the adjustable Banjo will be standard on all Rs starting soon...they're already in production as such it will just take some time to make it to market. The levers I guess is another story all together....Looking at QBP, it's not an option. That doesn't mean SRAM isn't making them it just means that QBP didn't order them...Maybe just a few OE's...I'm not sure...sorry guys.
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    I have a question regarding`the adjustable banjo on the CR. When you loosen it to adjust the angle, does it let air in/oil out?

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    No it does not, you only slightly loosen the nut/bolt to adjust the banjo. No leaking.
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    Interesting that they're adding the banjo to the Rs. It looks like the calipers are different between the R and the CR to support the banjo. Do you know if they are standardizing the calipers, or are they making unique banjo fittings for the Rs?

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