BrakeForce One, new player in town
Don't know if it already got posted, but overhere in Europe, there's a new player in Braketown, BrakeForce One, German durability with super looks and a low weight of 205 gr ( without discs )...
Higher brake force due to brakeforce multiplier in the caliper.
Some pics :
in the box
2 finger brakelever, everything is injection moulded carbonfibre, contactpoint between discs and brakepads can be set on the brakelever. Closed oilsystem without expansion chamber...
disc caliper, anodised aluminium, inserts are injection moulded carbonfibre
possible colours are silver, red, black and orange...
And what is a "Brake force multiplier"?
Well, they look pretty.
I'm fairly sure that carbon fibre can't be injection molded though- I mean, the stuff comes in a woven cloth. It looks more like some kind of plastic (not necessarily a bad thing).
Magura MT8's have injection moulded carbon fiber parts, so no reason that BrakForce One's parts aren't.
its fancy plastic. Calipers look hot.
You see where the hose connects to the caliper... the fitting looks a bit big. I would assume that's a piston pushing on a smaller MC that to create higher pressures on the caliper pistons.
Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
I've had the change to test them end they do work and with only one finger required...
A little explanation, the brake multiplier is a special, patented system where the special valve does its work...
When first pressing the lever, the valve stays closed and the brakepads are moved against the discs...
When making contact with the disc, the valve opens and the brakforce is doubled...( simply put )
U need 5 minutes to get used to the short brakelever, U no longer have irritating noises of the pads rubbing against the discs, since the contact point is adjustable, this makes an easy compensation, if necessary, should the oil expand due to the temperature... but the most demanding situations have been tested and the difference would only be a fraction of a mm in brakepad movement...
Hope U guys understand what I'm trying to explain...
There is nothing plastic about it, all the non anodised black parts on the brakes ( except the hoses ) are carbonfibre. They use mineral oil. And U should certainly compare the BrakeForce One to the Magura MT8 brakes...
I should know, I import the stuff into Belgium :)
Is there a U.S. distributor?
not to my knowledge, lot's of other distributors have already signed in... even up to Thailand,...
for those interested, as long as there is no distributor for the US, I could ship overseas...
First batch is coming in next week...
is there a review about them? anything to compare too? and what is the cost?
Serious question, if it's a closed system how does it deal with heat build up on really long downhills (as in 20min + continuous descent). I had a set of closed systems brake way back in the early 2000s and they were hateful things, binding up at high temps.
They'll have convince people they're better than open systems to take off. Although I hope they becausethose things are beautifully made, those carbon moulded levers look great.
Again- how can you injection mold CF? It comes in a woven cloth.
Originally Posted by jimc101
The photos look more like injection molded plastic, maybe it has short strands of reinforcing fibres in it but it doesn't look like a pure CF part.
Edit: Just having Googled around for this product, it does appear that it's a CF reinforced plastic. I suspect the OP just had a translation hiccup when doing his writeup.
^ injection molding of carbon fiber is a popular process. It's basically using a carbon fiber slurry in molds instead of injection molded plastic. Don't be confused just because it doesn't have the visual of a 3K weave...
These brakes look very interesting. I'd love to try a set out.
You can get CF as raw fibres and as 'bulk' fibres (think smashed spaghetti) as well, my bet is that they're made of the latter injection moulded with resin.
Originally Posted by womble
Prices are stiff, market price of MT8 in EU is around 525-550 EUR
BFO's are going for +/- 800 EUR a set (discs included) for the wealthy bikers there is even a lighter (or is it the wallet that gets even lighter) tuned version from Tune is going for 900-ish without nothing, no discs no adapter.
Even if they are good, there is something like a brain up there saying too much is simply too much.
Not for me.
For that price it's definitely look cheesy, and 205g without rotor is not that light many current brake at half the price is in that weight range. Hopefully, the street price will be much lower.
Not sure what the issue with prices is (yes they are expensive), they are premium German products, you will pay similar for Acros or Tune parts or any other Made in Germany product Magura's aren't cheap.
When the prototypes came out back in September, the covererage was positive at the time
OK, so a caliper with an additional master cylinder piston (that in itself looks like it borrowed an idea from the Prime), and a brake whose bite point will change as the brake heats up and cools down (stated in post #10 in this thread) as it doesn't have a reservoir, and a price that makes Hope look affordable. I'm not normally a negative Ned, but nooooo thanks. Heck, even the original Hopes had at least a manually adjustable reservoir on em. I foresee this going the way the Brembo MTB brake did....
Does anyone pay SRP for maguras? Or even half? I have 4 sets of Louises, I think I paid $220 for the most expensive set, all bought new.
Originally Posted by jimc101
I guess euro prices also include the ridiculous VAT.
I don't know... a closed/non reservoir disc... I suppose that's fine, so long as you aren't actually braking for more than a couple seconds at a time. There is probably a reason all the closed discs disappeared from the market a while ago
Sounds like the target audience is people that like hanging bikes on scales, but don't actually ride. Yeah, sure, there is a forum for them on here.. On the other hand, MT8s weigh about the same (or even a couple grams less claimed) and cost about 1/3. Maybe US street prices will be more reasonable.
Has anyone told Magura that this company has used 90% of their design language ? Is this really legal in germany ? Or is Magura invested in this company ?
Magura also sells their injection moulding technology expertise and produce for other parties !!
Have no idea in this case who is producing for BFO but it is a known fact, it is a german company with knowledge in carbon moulding.
On the other hand, Magura is maybe also a buyer/user of other german expertise.
PS : BFO resides <50 km from Magura Injection Moulding Dept :D
Quick video of the brakes on a bike - Brake Force One - Tune Video - Pinkbike.com
EDIT: actually, there are a few better quality (official) vids on Vimeo as well if you google them.
well, the problem with the heat is not really an issue, due to the special valve it's possible to have a bigger initial gap between brakepads and disc in comparison with other brakes, and thanks to the bigger diameter of the oil channels, the oil displacement due to extreme temperature will only have a very limited brakepad displacement ( test showed only 0.3 mm decrease in brakepad distance in the worst case ) .... and even if the gap is to small and there would be friction due to the temperature, U can easily increase that gap with a fraction to compensate for heat influences...
there are already test reports of different European magazines, like German " Bike Magazin" , but as up to now not yet in English...
Anyone have these? I'm looking for opinions on the performance.