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    Avid Elixr 1 Questions

    A pair of Avid Elixr 1s came OEM on my new bike. I've read some horror stories about Elixr brakes, but mine have been fine so far, so I'm cautiously optimistic. A couple of questions:

    - I see Avid replacement pads can have either a steel or aluminum backing plate. What are the advantages and disadvantages to the steel and Al?

    - Does the little bolt (pad pin) that keeps the brake pads and spring from falling out of the caliper come with the replacement pads?

    - The Elixr 1s use a cotter pin in place of the pad pin that is used on all of the other Elixr models. No doubt, its a little cheaper with the cotter pin, and 1s are the entry level brake, so I understand. But I'd find it hard to pull a cotter pin out and replace it on the trail unless I started riding with some needle nosed pliers. So I'd like to make my Elixr 1s take the pad pins like th eother Elixrs. I think that I have to thread the hole for the pad pin. Has anyone else done this? If so, any idea which tap I need?

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    1) Steel pads are heavier, the aluminum ones are lighter. Likely, that is the only benefit you will see, though the two materials have different heat transmission rates.

    2) No. Avid replacements come with neither the cotter pin or pad spring. They can be bought from just about anywhere. Aftermarket pads sometimes come with the spring, but nobody sells all three in one go. I would check with a local bike shop if you happen to need either, as they will likely have extras knocking around from busted equipment.

    3) Not sure of the size tap you need off the top of my head, but it can be done. Realistically, though, there is not much you will be able to fix on the trail with a hydro brake that removing the pads would facilitate. I wouldn't spend the money on the taps unless you can justify it somewhere else.

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    Thanks. I have a tap and die set, so I may have the thread tool already. Will check with the LBS for the pad pin the next time that I'm there.

    I realize that there isn't a lot that I can do as far as a trailside repair to any hydraulic brake, but changing pads is certainly one of them. And I've had to do it a couple of times, usually when I decide that the pads are fine for "another ride or two." The cotter pin seems like it could be a real PITA to get out when wet, muddy, or whatever. My Magura brakes have a threaded pin with a small hex socket and they're easy to deal with.

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    Get your brakes checked by your LBS, there is a recall out on elixxir 1's

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    Get your brakes checked by your LBS, there is a recall out on elixxir 1's
    Could you give me a website or something where I can find more info on this?

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    SRAM Service | SRAM (see bottom left of page)

    According to sram's website, there are no tsb's or recalls out on their products at this time. Link to the recall, or it's bull.

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    Thanks, Cotharyus. I couldn't find anything on the US Consumer Product Safety Commission website, either. The last SRAM recall listed there was in 2009 and there were not any SRAM/Avid brakes listed at all.

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    check your pm's

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    Why not post online for everyone that has Elixir 1's to see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynbryan19 View Post
    Why not post online for everyone that has Elixir 1's to see?
    Im not at work so I dont have access to it....?

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    Please, post from work where you have access to it, or make a copy of it, or write down exactly what it is, and then post it from home, or whatever you have to do. Also, lets be clear that you're talking about a dealer service bulletin, not a recall. These are two very different things. Sorry if this comes across harsh, but clarity in communication is important. I want to be clear as well - thank you for bringing up the fact that there's a service bulletin on these brakes. I'll +rep you when you post what the service bulletin is about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcvpr View Post
    Im not at work so I dont have access to it....?
    Kxvpr, just give us a run down on the elixir 1s being recalled would you please, or put the link up.



    And OP there is no way you ever have to change your pads on a ride, if you have to do that your not doing proper maintenance at home, the split pin issue is a total non issue, there is absolutly no reason to tap out threads in your elixer 1s ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeG View Post
    Thanks. I have a tap and die set, so I may have the thread tool already. Will check with the LBS for the pad pin the next time that I'm there.

    I realize that there isn't a lot that I can do as far as a trailside repair to any hydraulic brake, but changing pads is certainly one of them. And I've had to do it a couple of times, usually when I decide that the pads are fine for "another ride or two." The cotter pin seems like it could be a real PITA to get out when wet, muddy, or whatever. My Magura brakes have a threaded pin with a small hex socket and they're easy to deal with.
    carry on, theres always a first for everything on this site.....
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    The cotter pin is fine to use, really. I think you should ride with a multitool that has pliers, but that's me.

    You could still easily set the cotter pin to be trail removable with just some tools like hex wrenches. Only bend the end a slight amount, and face it outboard. You can probably bend it back with just a hex wrench against some part of the caliper for leverage. Or, you could stick a small hex wrench though the eye of the pin and just yank it out.

    If you tap the caliper, your warranty is void. That seems foolish with SRAM brakes. You could just file the threads off the screw and rely on the little clip on the end of the screw if you really want tool-less removal.


    Oh, and the retail packaged Avid pads we have at the shop have the spring and a cotter pin included. Springs can be destroyed if you wear your pads down too much.

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    Anything that falls between the code 1may12B and 21sept12B written on the caliper is up for the service bulletin.


    It is due to an undersized o-ring in the lever body

    I can post pictures of the tech doc when I get home from work if necessary.

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    Thanks for the date code range. I just checked my brakes and they are not in the code range covered by the service bulletin. Mine were 9Nov12B and 31Oct12B.

    Posting the document would probably be useful to someone who has brakes that are affected as some shops probably aren't aware of the service bulletin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcvpr View Post
    Anything that falls between the code 1may12B and 21sept12B written on the caliper is up for the service bulletin.


    It is due to an undersized o-ring in the lever body

    I can post pictures of the tech doc when I get home from work if necessary.
    Thanks mate, appreciate it, cheers
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    Anyone know what the failure mode is with this problem? What happens when it goes wrong? What does the lever feel like/do?

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    There is no "failure" with this. If your brake falls in that range you may have a brake that works 'fine' but doesn't feel right on the lever. My Anthem came with Elixir 1's on it, and the back brake has always been fine, but the front brake never did feel right. It wasn't soft like it needed bleeding, but it didn't feel as solid as the rear brake did either. Turns out the front brake is in the range specified, but the rear brake is an 'A' brake.

    KCVPR - thanks. You've answered a nagging question for me about a bike I love. I've +rep'd you for coming through with the information, and I'm thanking you multiple times helping me get to the bottom of a very strange problem. My shop was unaware of this bulletin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    There is no "failure" with this. If your brake falls in that range you may have a brake that works 'fine' but doesn't feel right on the lever. My Anthem came with Elixir 1's on it, and the back brake has always been fine, but the front brake never did feel right. It wasn't soft like it needed bleeding, but it didn't feel as solid as the rear brake did either. Turns out the front brake is in the range specified, but the rear brake is an 'A' brake.

    KCVPR - thanks. You've answered a nagging question for me about a bike I love. I've +rep'd you for coming through with the information, and I'm thanking you multiple times helping me get to the bottom of a very strange problem. My shop was unaware of this bulletin.
    You're very welcome, I am glad I could help you solve a problem with your bike.

    If your shop was wondering, I got the info off of Dexter (the Trek dealer page).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanik View Post
    Anyone know what the failure mode is with this problem? What happens when it goes wrong? What does the lever feel like/do?
    As far as i know, the "failure mode", is that when the seal finally lets go the lever feels like it needs a bleed... But no matter how hard you try you cant get rid of all the bubbles.

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    Update: The front brake on my bike WAS affected by this. The rear was not. The nail in the coffin when SRAM had my LBS mechanic checking things was not lever feel or bleeding and not being able to get rid of all the bubbles (but it did that too) but rather that it actually seeped a little fluid.

    SRAM/AVID are doing the right thing for their customers. At the time my LBS was speaking to them, they did not have any Elixir 1 brakes to match mine, so they sent a complete SET (front and rear, new rotors as well) of something better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    Update: The front brake on my bike WAS affected by this. The rear was not. The nail in the coffin when SRAM had my LBS mechanic checking things was not lever feel or bleeding and not being able to get rid of all the bubbles (but it did that too) but rather that it actually seeped a little fluid.

    SRAM/AVID are doing the right thing for their customers. At the time my LBS was speaking to them, they did not have any Elixir 1 brakes to match mine, so they sent a complete SET (front and rear, new rotors as well) of something better.
    Did you get your new brakes yet? I'll bet they're XO's...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    SRAM/AVID are doing the right thing for their customers. At the time my LBS was speaking to them, they did not have any Elixir 1 brakes to match mine, so they sent a complete SET (front and rear, new rotors as well) of something better.
    Interesting; my LBS called because I'm having problems with my brakes (which fall in the date range listed in this thread) and Avid said there was no service issue. They're sending pads and rotors to try and fix another problem, but have nothing to say about the poor lever feel. I'm going to have the shop do a bleed when they swap parts, but if that doesn't fix the issue I'm going SLX. It'll tick me off to have to buy replacement brakes, but I'm tired of chasing fixes for the Elixir 1s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Knobby View Post
    Interesting; my LBS called because I'm having problems with my brakes (which fall in the date range listed in this thread) and Avid said there was no service issue. They're sending pads and rotors to try and fix another problem, but have nothing to say about the poor lever feel. I'm going to have the shop do a bleed when they swap parts, but if that doesn't fix the issue I'm going SLX. It'll tick me off to have to buy replacement brakes, but I'm tired of chasing fixes for the Elixir 1s.
    I would try another tech at sram. If your brakes truly do fit into that date code range they should fall under the warranty/ service bulletin. It is especially weird that they wont do anything since the lever feel is already compromised.

    I would try again, if I was you. If they dont want to play ball, ask for their supervisor.

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    Yeah, they need to try something different for you Knobby, because SRAM came through for me. kcvpr is spot on. Yes, I have the new brakes. I've ridden the bike, and everything finally feels right. The new brakes are XO Silvers. They had the shop ask me if "those would be ok" since they didn't have identical replacements available.

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    Back at the start of this thread, I asked the following:
    - Does the little bolt (pad pin) that keeps the brake pads and spring from falling out of the caliper come with the replacement pads?

    - The Elixr 1s use a cotter pin in place of the pad pin that is used on all of the other Elixr models. No doubt, its a little cheaper with the cotter pin, and 1s are the entry level brake, so I understand. But I'd find it hard to pull a cotter pin out and replace it on the trail unless I started riding with some needle nosed pliers. So I'd like to make my Elixr 1s take the pad pins like the other Elixrs. I think that I have to thread the hole for the pad pin. Has anyone else done this? If so, any idea which tap I need?
    So here are the answers:

    - Avid brand pads come with the pad pin, a cotter pin, and the spring as well. Some other brands, Kool Stop for instance, do not have the pad or cotter pin included with them.

    - The threading on the pad pins is M4x0.7, coarse metric thread. I had the correct tap in my Craftsman metric tap and die set. Only the outboard hole needs to be threaded, and it did not need to be drilled out larger before threading. Piece of cake to do!

    So, my Elixir 1s now have the pad pin installed like the rest of the Elixir brake models.

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    nice work JoeG. i've had my elixir 1's in the shop 4 times and the last time avid warr'd them with XO's. i'm guessing mine fell into the date code. i was expecting the same model and was going to sling 'em on flea bay to buy XT"s, but will ride these as they have a new warranty. when these fail then i'll get XT's and never use avid hydros again. oh and yes the fronts were giving me all the probs mentioned earlier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    Yeah, they need to try something different for you Knobby, because SRAM came through for me. kcvpr is spot on. Yes, I have the new brakes. I've ridden the bike, and everything finally feels right. The new brakes are XO Silvers. They had the shop ask me if "those would be ok" since they didn't have identical replacements available.
    Looks like someone talked to someone at Avid about this, and I apparently am getting a set of Elixir 3s. They're no XO's, but they'll do ! Free upgrades are nice, but I just want my brakes to work properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Knobby View Post
    Looks like someone talked to someone at Avid about this, and I apparently am getting a set of Elixir 3s. They're no XO's, but they'll do ! Free upgrades are nice, but I just want my brakes to work properly.
    That's pretty much exactly what I told my LBS. I just want them to work right. It was very difficult trying to explain to my LBS what was "wrong" with my brakes, and it took some determined trouble shooting with the SRAM guys on the phone, but once they realized what was going on, they were quick to offer up a solution. I think the replacements they send are based on what they have "available" at the moment.

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    Avid Elixr 1 Questions

    Where do I look on the caliper for the date? I looked earlier, but I didn't see anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fripple View Post
    Where do I look on the caliper for the date? I looked earlier, but I didn't see anything.
    take it off

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    Well, it's going to be on the bottom of the caliper. It's not entirely hidden by the mount adaptor in my experience, with a good light and the right angle, you can read the date without taking the caliper off. But otherwise, you may need to do like fish said, and take it off.

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    good info, I'll be checking some of mine once I get home!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcvpr View Post
    Anything that falls between the code 1may12B and 21sept12B written on the caliper is up for the service bulletin.


    It is due to an undersized o-ring in the lever body

    I can post pictures of the tech doc when I get home from work if necessary.

    Just wondering how one should go about getting replacement of their Elixir 1's if the date code falls between those dates?
    Local Spec. dealer has no clue of bulletin...
    Did you have to send back your Elixir 1's??
    Any info or tips are much appreciated, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeSATORI View Post
    Did you have to send back your Elixir 1's??
    My replacements came with a preprinted return label, so we're sending them back.

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    Both of mine pulled to the bar on a ride tonight. Less than 2 months old.

    Now I gotta figure out whether to send them back as a warranty (they'll probably bleed them and send them back), pay the LBS to bleed them, buy a bleed kit and do it myself, or just spend more and buy other brakes. Hmmm...

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    Inform your local bike shop of the service bulletin, and have them call avid on your behalf. Assuming your brakes fall into the date range I posted.

    Quote Originally Posted by BikeSATORI View Post
    Just wondering how one should go about getting replacement of their Elixir 1's if the date code falls between those dates?
    Local Spec. dealer has no clue of bulletin...
    Did you have to send back your Elixir 1's??
    Any info or tips are much appreciated, thanks.

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    The fact that they have lost lever feel alone would make me say warranty, since they're only two months old. Take your bike to the shop you bought it from and explain the problem, they should be willing to help you out.

    Both of mine pulled to the bar on a ride tonight. Less than 2 months old.

    Now I gotta figure out whether to send them back as a warranty (they'll probably bleed them and send them back), pay the LBS to bleed them, buy a bleed kit and do it myself, or just spend more and buy other brakes. Hmmm...

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    I saw this ad for a "new improved" Elixir 1 brakeset on ebay, if that means anything.
    New Improved 2012 Avid Elixir 1 Hydraulic Disc Brake Set HS1 Rotors 160mm White | eBay
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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr View Post
    I saw this ad for a "new improved" Elixir 1 brakeset on ebay, if that means anything.
    New Improved 2012 Avid Elixir 1 Hydraulic Disc Brake Set HS1 Rotors 160mm White | eBay
    Probably not. Especially considering the product year listed in the description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr View Post
    I saw this ad for a "new improved" Elixir 1 brakeset on ebay, if that means anything.
    New Improved 2012 Avid Elixir 1 Hydraulic Disc Brake Set HS1 Rotors 160mm White | eBay
    That ebay seller is mentioned a fair bit in the following thread.

    Rotors "striping"

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    Got the bike back from the LBS on Friday. All that they did was a bleed. They said that there was a lot of air in the rear brake.

    I rode it both Sat and Sun and the brakes felt fantastic!

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    I am seeing so many negative threads about Avid's and everybody seems to love their Shimano's. I am just starting to have the squeal issue with mine, and I think I should start reading the writing on the wall, and make the jump now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GradedOnACurve View Post
    I am seeing so many negative threads about Avid's and everybody seems to love their Shimano's. I am just starting to have the squeal issue with mine, and I think I should start reading the writing on the wall, and make the jump now.
    Most of the time people only post on the forums when they have issues with a certain product. So naturally with that information, a proper summary of a particular brand of product cannot be made.

    I personally have had very good luck with a more than a few sets of avid brakes. It just has a lot to do with how they are set up, and maintained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GradedOnACurve View Post
    I am seeing so many negative threads about Avid's and everybody seems to love their Shimano's. I am just starting to have the squeal issue with mine, and I think I should start reading the writing on the wall, and make the jump now.
    Where's the question? Actually, the problem I've had most with sound had to do with adjustments, or rotor type. I've found my Ashima's make much less noise than my Avid rotors did with both my BB7's and my Elixirs. My XO's haven't made a sound. I'm pretty certain I don't understand what "everyone's" problem is with Avid brakes.

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