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    2014 XTR M-987 Brake. Looks promising.

    Shimano Puts XTR on a Diet, Intros New Brakes, 29er Carbon Tubulars, More

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    They look awesome. 80g lighter(total) than m985s!

    Anyone have the inside scoop?
    Better yet, trail time?
    Anyone know about availability?
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    Anyone? I have to make my decision soon about which to buy, XT, XTR or wait for the new XTR. These guys have them on their website but no price yet.

    Shimano XTR Race Rear Disc Brake Set BR-M987/BL-M987

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    I'm in the same boat... wanting to ditch my Elixir 7s and considering XTR or Magura M8s . If the m987s are at the same price point as m985s and as durable, I'll be hunting for a good deal on those.

    Too bad they went away from the one-piece caliper... that looks real strong and slick.

    looking forward to reading some reviews and seeing prices
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    After SRAM's foray into magnesium calipers I won't be jumping at the chance to try another magnesium caliper.

    I also dislike the move to a two piece caliper design. Really appreciate the one piece design of the 985/988, was one of the obvious things that differentiated them from the lower models (XT, SLX).

    If it says anything I picked up a second pair of the 988s recently after seeing this design. I would've been far more interested in an updated trail model with no magnesium and a one piece caliper.

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    I'm sure Shimano figured it out and the new brakes will be awesome but I couldn't wait. I ordered the current XTR Race discs today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiflow_21 View Post
    After SRAM's foray into magnesium calipers I won't be jumping at the chance to try another magnesium caliper.
    Please elaborate my discerning friend. Why is magnesium sub par?
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    Quote Originally Posted by adinpapa View Post
    Please elaborate my discerning friend. Why is magnesium sub par?
    There are a number of reports of people getting warranty for sram xx world cup magnesium brakes for aluminum versions. From the reports I've read the brake fluid caused a reaction with magnesium (possibly while heated), some of the problems were bad lever feel and the need for constant re-bleeding. Do a quick search on XX magnesium brake problems and you'll find a trend.

    There's a good possibility the same issues won't happen with mineral oil and shimano's design, they do seem to test their brakes far better than avid. I'll stick with 985/988 and one piece calipers until these are a bit more proven in the real world. I like the idea of shaving weight, I'm just unsure of the material.

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    Sram can't make brakes. I'm sure Shimano has figured it out.

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    Dot fluid is the cause of Sram's magnesium problems.

    Xtr 987 will be what the 985's are... Awesome

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    do you have to use the new finned rotors with these or do they just allow you to go smaller if you want to?

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    This is correct.

    DOT brake fluid is in-compatible with magnesium. This causes the magnesium to become porous, allowing air into the system. They discontinued the magnesium master cylinders and now they are only made in aluminum.

    A co-worker had the same issue happen 2 times. The last set of XX's have aluminum master cylinders.

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    2014 XTR M-987 Brake. Looks promising.

    Prices are getting pretty good for the current model 985s. Reason I'm not waiting for the 987:

    Magnesium doesn't deal with heat so well. One of the preview articles (Bike I think) stated that the slick new rotor design will mitigate heat transfer to counter the magnesium properties.

    I don't want to have to run the fancy new rotors, so I'm thinking the 985 is a better choice.

    Hoping to get a set for under $350... Come on close outs!
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    any more ionfo on these brakes? Will using third party rotor make a noticeable difference in braking performance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devincicx View Post
    any more ionfo on these brakes? Will using third party rotor make a noticeable difference in braking performance?
    You shoulnt have any braking problems with another brand rotor. If you live in the mountains, consider the Ice Techs. They are some SWEET rotors.

    But, I recommend to pair the brand rotors with the brand brakes... They are designed to work together. For example, The hope floating rotors rivets can contact the caliper on Avid brake setups...

    Not saying Hopes wont work, just make sure you do your research first!
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    I dont live in the mountains. The only reason I ride Ice techs is because I pulled 4 perfectly good (but glazed) ice techs out of the recycling bin at work.

    Score!
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    My LBS says late January for these. Anyone hear anything different?

    I was hoping to ditch my MT-8's sooner than that but I guess I'll wait it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devincicx View Post
    any more info on these brakes? Will using third party rotor make a noticeable difference in braking performance?
    No going to make a difference just because they are third party, but it is important obviously to have quality rotors, not a $10 special from the bargain bin. I've ridden cheap back-up rotors on good calipers, and immediately noticed a difference in stopping power.
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    From what I can see its looking like a mid-January 2014 release for these. Anyone had a chance to try a pre-release set up?

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    Do a search mate and you'll get some feedback on my set.

    There a good brake.

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    A few US online retailers have the 987 in stock, at least they did last week when I checked.

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    Here is an update...

    I spoke with the Southeastern Shimano rep about the m987 brake. I also got to ride the new di2/hydro brake system. (freaking sweet, but a different thread altogether)

    The m987 brake is made of magnesium and is a ton lighter than the m985.
    Supposedly its all fine and dandy, and works just like you would expect a shimano brake to, but because of the magnesium caliper, finned pads and ice tech rotors are required.
    That kind of turned me off the brake, as it almost makes up for the weight savings...
    It also increases operating costs. Anyone who has recently purchased a set of finned pads or icetech rotors knows exactly what I am talking about.

    Anyway, still excited to ride a set when they are available.
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    that is what I was worried about, i-e. the magnesium caliper requireing some special cooling equipement. Glad I went with the 985 race. Now if my freaking rear brake can get back in stock.

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    No finned pads with mine. I am running ice-tech discs though.

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    LBS said that they just became available in the last few days. I just got a set on Wed Jan 22. I was going to get the older M985s, but couldn't find rear ones.

    They come with regular Al backed non-finned pads. I haven't rode them yet as there is too much snow. My only nitpick so far is that the pad retaining bolt is slotted, not hex or torx!

    As far as the Mg, most suspension fork lowers are Mg...
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    I am running the m987 with the finned pads and icetech rotors and so far love the setup. I have only had them a couple weeks with ~60 miles of trail riding here in So Cal so they have seen plenty of stress stopping my 195lb ass.

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    I have a set of 987's I just put on a new Highball C build. First impressions, wow, the new carbon lever and the magnesium finish is nice. I shortened the hoses without the need for a bleed, but I am wondering if this may be the cause of a pad rubbing problem I have with the rear. Lever feel and response is amazing right now, but no amount of caliper centering is going to stop the rubbing. Is it possible I have too much fluid still in the system?

    I am cautious to bleed because I do not want to lose the amazing feel I have with a bleed unless I have exhausted all resources. I was thinking of slowly releasing a very small amount of fluid from the lever port to buy a little wiggle room in the pad spacing. Thoughts?
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    Update: Still loving my 987's with the finned pads. I got on my HT with Magura MTS's the other day and the difference was crazy (granted this is an apples to oranges comparison and I know Magura has some good brakes above the MTS's). So far I have had zero problems and a lot of fun with these brakes. Haven't heard a peep out of them either (perhaps I bedded them in better than my Maguras which I had to use Squeel-Out on).

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    Re: 2014 XTR M-987 Brake. Looks promising.

    I have XT now but I really don't like the on/off feeling. Is there any diference between Xt and 987? I had MT6 before XT and I really liked the modulation but they have other problems...

    The race version of Xtr have a more progresive feeling like the one of the maguras?

    I'm considering also Hope.

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    2014 XTR M-987 Brake. Looks promising.

    Quote Originally Posted by croocodillul View Post
    I have XT now but I really don't like the on/off feeling. Is there any diference between Xt and 987? I had MT6 before XT and I really liked the modulation but they have other problems...

    The race version of Xtr have a more progresive feeling like the one of the maguras?

    I'm considering also Hope.
    I would first try resin pads in your XT brakes before buying a new set.
    That's how I am liking mine.

    And yes, the brakes without the servo wave has a more traditional feel.
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    My 5 year old XXs are finally ****ting the bed after having never worked that well, a lot of good info in this thread--thanks guys. I'm going to go with 987s but I have a question regarding race/trail versions. Is the weight difference significant? Is the difference in power? Was thinking of putting a 180mm trail up front and a 160mm race out back.

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    Re: 2014 XTR M-987 Brake. Looks promising.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepo5669 View Post
    I would first try resin pads in your XT brakes before buying a new set.
    That's how I am liking mine.

    And yes, the brakes without the servo wave has a more traditional feel.
    Thanks, but I have the resin pads in xt right now. The normal ones, not with cooling fans (but I don't think is any difference in compound).

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    They are insane!

    I was feeling a little guilty when I ordered my set of 987s, but after the first ride I was very happy with everything from the weight, look, and most of all the modulation and power.

    I was in the same boat as some of you - could've got a good deal on some 985s, but had to wait for the 987s to come out so I could build my dream ride

    Best brakes I have used so far - super easy to bleed - in fact you don't even need to bleed them after you cut the hoses, I bled them just because I am a bike geek and wanted to see how to bleed them.
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    Is anyone had the same experience with the BL M987?:-"Issues with the new XTR brakes .From the beginning since it has been brand new I always had this :my best explanation :-at the start of the downhill section you have about 3/4 inch between the brake lever and your bar-end when you squeeze it .(which is the right distance and the brake feels ok.)But when you going down on the hill and using the brake the distance between the lever and the bar-end is growing /expanding.So you start with about 3/4 inch and you end up with about 2 or more inch.It's kind of unsafe since you starting to have less contact with the bar-end while you operating the lever.I understand it could be normal on stiff and long downhills regarding the increased brake temperature /heating.But I don't think that is the problem in my case :a) I never had this with the XT brakes even with the non shimano aftermarket rotors.b)Even in shorter or not too stiff downhills or where shouldn't be heating problem ,I get the same effects.Also when I start riding and I haven't even used the brake yet it's acting up too ,so again heating can not be the reason.......I really miss the smoothness the older version .But I enjoying the lighter weight.Since they changed the design I wondering if they messed up something (I know that would be extreme and not likely).Or I wondering if I just got a bad/defected set of calipers .One of my lever already had been changed didn't fix the problem.The brakes had been bleed numerous times."This brake system came on a new bike with the new ice tech rotors.Thx Gabe

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    so you mean that when you brake with the new XTRs you get less brake effect the longer you hold the lever?
    That sounds a bit worrying indeed my Maguras are like if i start to pedal and want to brake i cant just pull the lever as i get no brake effect at all that is why i am having the lever/master cylinder replaced then im gonna sell them for just the M987s but now im unsure if there is some malfunctions on them like new products sometimes do have.

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    I get about the same braking power but the lever "pumps up" going downhill .(builds up).Braking power is about the same but your hands opens up drastically to able to squeeze it.

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    I am currently installed a set of the 987's on my Niner. The front brake was easy. I'm now setting up the rear brake. I have XX1 and trying to figure out how to mount the shifter. I had Avid brakes before so the adapter from the old brakes doesn't work with the Shimano levers.

    I found this online: Problem Solvers

    However I'm not certain if these work with the new 987, or only the previous gen brakes. I emailed them but did not get a response.

    Thanks in advance!

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