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    $400 for brakeset. Hope or Shimanos?

    So Ive just about had it with my Avid XX brakes on my Blur LTC and want to sell them on Ebay and replace them. Im looking to spend about $400 (maybe a bit more if necessary. I know that Hopes will probably run me a bit more than that) on brakes/rotors.

    Ive read through this forum some and hear a lot of good things about the new Shimano XTs as well as Hopes. So, can I go wrong with either set? Which would you go for?

    As for the Hopes, their website is super confusing. There are a ton of brakes on there and its hard to differentiate between them.

    I ride in Austin, TX, so a lot of short ups and downs and rocks, but no real sustained downhills so brakes overheating is not really a serious concern.


    Im mainly interested in brakes that are strong, dont feel spongey and are easy to bleed (the Avids were a nightmare to bleed due to the bleed port being below the reservoir in the lever....).

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    Dude . . . call Hope Tech Monday morning and ask them what they have left on the Limited Ed. sets. I just picked up an entire M4 caliper for $60 (I already have the levers). I bet they can easily set you up within your budget.

    I'd look at an M4 front and an X2 rear for your setup. I ran this here in SoCal for a few years, but the X2 just wasn't able to keep up on the sustained downhills. You might even be able to get away with an X2/X2 setup, but personally I'd rather have an M4 in the front. I'll sell you my X2 caliper with a brand new set of EBC red pads for cheap. You'd just have to buy two levers and hoses, and you'll be good to go. PM me if you want to work something out.

    Bleeding Hope's is SUPER easy and doesn't require any fancy kits.

    P.S. I know it seems like I'm trying to sell you on my caliper, which I'm not. You can see my post history to know that I love Hope brakes
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    Hope every time, no brainer imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Dude . . . call Hope Tech Monday morning and ask them what they have left on the Limited Ed. sets. I just picked up an entire M4 caliper for $60 (I already have the levers). I bet they can easily set you up within your budget.

    I'd look at an M4 front and an X2 rear for your setup. I ran this here in SoCal for a few years, but the X2 just wasn't able to keep up on the sustained downhills. You might even be able to get away with an X2/X2 setup, but personally I'd rather have an M4 in the front. I'll sell you my X2 caliper with a brand new set of EBC red pads for cheap. You'd just have to buy two levers and hoses, and you'll be good to go. PM me if you want to work something out.

    Bleeding Hope's is SUPER easy and doesn't require any fancy kits.

    P.S. I know it seems like I'm trying to sell you on my caliper, which I'm not. You can see my post history to know that I love Hope brakes
    thanks for the advice. whats the deal with this Limited Edition sets? are they like leftover sets from last year? just wondering why theyre such good deals. how do i get in touch with em? just call em or email or what? I assume Ill need new rotors as well, correct?

    honestly, Id like to go with Hopes becuase ive heard great things about em and they just look solid. but Ive heard good things about the newer XT brakes as well so wanted to check out multiple options.

    i have an Avid bleed kit. you said you dont need a special kit to bleed Hopes. not sure what that means exactly.

    thanks for your input and feel free to just PM me these answers. everyone might not care to hear all this. ha. ill think about your offer on your X2, but think I might just prefer to go all new on this.
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    Hopes

    Give Bikerbob a shout bob.at.bikerbobdotcom, I'm sure he can get them near your price range. Hopes are money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruscle View Post
    Hope every time, no brainer imo.
    What makes them so much better than the XT's?

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    I've only ridden XT's on a buddies bike, I didnt like the lever shape or feel of the modulation. I also cant stand how big the master cylinder is. Hopes look great, are super easy to bleed and just reak of quality. You can upgrade to the stainless line for minimal cost and the fittings are all reusable. They are super quiet to boot.

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    I just got a pair of Shimano Zee for under 300.00 shipped from germany. If you want the xt and dont mind a couple of weeks they can be had for 172.10 plus shipping for the pair, saints are 366.23 plus shipping for the pair, zees were 275 after shipping for the pair. Hope are about the same price as us. 204 for m4 each, and about 180 each for x2.

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    From one OU fan to another. I have both, XT's and Hopes. XT's are very good. Not great on modulation, but very easy initial depression, but not a lot of feeling Or feedback. Hopes are just awesome. They are a little heaver but much better at speed. Great modulation, great power, unbelievably reliable, unlike avids, or formulas.

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    I was in the same boat and chose the xts, but you really can't go wrong with either. The xts are a stronger brake, but the hopes have slightly better modulation and they look great. Both companies have stellar customer service. It all came down to price for me, as I got the whole xt kit for $220 vs the $390 I was going to have for the hope set up I wanted. My next bike might have hopes, but I love my xts. The nice thing about hopes is you can purchase all the parts of the brake for rebuilds and maintenance, with xts it's kinda just replace the lever/caliper, but shimano is awesome about warranties. Just my 2 cents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangaroo View Post
    I was in the same boat and chose the xts, but you really can't go wrong with either. The xts are a stronger brake, but the hopes have slightly better modulation and they great.
    The xt's are not in the least bit stronger. Maybe between the x2 series which is hopes xc brake, but not the m or v from hope.

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    There are a few really good places to get hopes, but tartybikes.com has different color parts for them which makes things even cooler looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    The xt's are not in the least bit stronger. Maybe between the x2 series which is hopes xc brake, but not the m or v from hope.
    Agree to disagree. I've never tried the v caliper, but they're definitely a sharper brake then the m4, and much stronger than the x2. But both of those hop3s are plenty strong, I have just found that the xts ha ve a harder bite than the m4s that I tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangaroo View Post
    Agree to disagree. I've never tried the v caliper, but they're definitely a sharper brake then the m4, and much stronger than the x2. But both of those hop3s are plenty strong, I have just found that the xts ha ve a harder bite than the m4s that I tried.
    Agreed . . . which is another way to say they have less modulation.

    For me, the XTs are more powerful than the X2s and they do indeed have more bite than the M4s, but in terms of stopping power, I don't think the XTs are the same. Granted, I've never tried the XTRs with the servo-wave thing.
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    Im ok with agree to disagree, but the m4 has almost double the power of the xt's. i have x2 set up by me. I have a set of m4's currently sitting in a box, i have a set of v2 and v4s. My x2s are on a hardtail, and my v4s are on my HD and my V2s are on my slr. I have a ton of time on a lot of brakes and xt's are very good brakes, a great choice by many. But not nearly the power of an m brake from hope. You also have to take into account disc size and tire and grip. You could get an xt to bite hard on big discs and grippy tires, but having had all of them on my bikes i can attest that the m and v series are far stronger than the xt's. the x2s i will give you.

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    Hope is an awesome company, but you pay the price for their products. Like I said, my next brakes will likely be hopes, especially with the braided hoses. But for me, in Ohio, on my trail bike, the xts have more than enough power. The lever on the xts is also pretty slick for one fingered braking, but some people do not prefer them.

    For the op, try both out if you can, but I really doubt you will be disappointed in either choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Agreed . . . which is another way to say they have less modulation.

    For me, the XTs are more powerful than the X2s and they do indeed have more bite than the M4s, but in terms of stopping power, I don't think the XTs are the same. Granted, I've never tried the XTRs with the servo-wave thing.
    Are you taking initial bite or power? The xtr's are just a little lighter, no more power than the xt's

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangaroo View Post
    Hope is an awesome company, but you pay the price for their products. Like I said, my next brakes will likely be hopes, especially with the braided hoses. But for me, in Ohio, on my trail bike, the xts have more than enough power. The lever on the xts is also pretty slick for one fingered braking, but some people do not prefer them.


    For the op, try both out if you can, but I really doubt you will be disappointed in either choice.
    Yeah they are pricy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    There are a few really good places to get hopes, but tartybikes.com has different color parts for them which makes things even cooler looking.
    Great link man. Thanks.
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    If you order though tartybikes or direct in Texas, they seem to be a touch cheaper. Ask for Phil in Texas and ask for a deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Great link man. Thanks.
    Anytime. Those guys ship fast. Real fast. I had stuff in 2 days. From England no less.

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    Shimano Zee. It may seem like complete overkill to put DH brakes on an XC bike but it isn't. While they do have more power than you'll ever need, they also have better modulation and control than Shimano's XT and other 2-piston brakes. I'm not sure if it's because of the 4-piston design or what feels like a slightly different leverage curve on the Servowave mechanism, probably both. I find that the Saint/Zee modulate every bit as well as my old 4-piston XT brakes, and those ones could match the Hopes for modulation & control.

    The SLX/XT/XTR brakes are nice and work well for many people, but to me they have a bit of a wonky spot in the Servowave curve which makes it harder to feather the brakes. It's easier to accidentally lock up a wheel than with the Zee/Saint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    What makes them so much better than the XT's?
    Every thing that has been mentioned already about how good Hope brakes are!
    Availability of spares and how easy they are to service if you need to. The ease of bleeding them. They look the bizz and they are powerful with the best modulation in any brake, meaning you can control the bike better and not just lock up the wheel which translates into being a faster rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruscle View Post
    Every thing that has been mentioned already about how good Hope brakes are!
    Availability of spares and how easy they are to service if you need to. The ease of bleeding them. They look the bizz and they are powerful with the best modulation in any brake, meaning you can control the bike better and not just lock up the wheel which translates into being a faster rider.
    I think the thing that took me the longest to realize is that the Hope brakes are indeed substantially more powerful; however, their ability to modulate that power makes them SEEM less powerful if you are used to an ON/OFF setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Give Bikerbob a shout bob.at.bikerbobdotcom, I'm sure he can get them near your price range. Hopes are money.
    Thanks for the suggestion. He had the cheapest price I've seen so far for lever, caliper, rotors and adapters. Prolly ordering them tomorrow.

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    $400 for brakeset. Hope or Shimanos?

    I too just ditched my XX brakes. I went with the Hope Stealth Race X2. They have been great thus far. They are so much stronger than the XX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Give Bikerbob a shout bob.at.bikerbobdotcom, I'm sure he can get them near your price range. Hopes are money.
    Is bikerbob even still in business? His website looks like it hasn't been updated in years . . . . unless of course I'm looking at the wrong site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerius View Post
    Shimano Zee. It may seem like complete overkill to put DH brakes on an XC bike but it isn't. While they do have more power than you'll ever need, they also have better modulation and control than Shimano's XT and other 2-piston brakes. I'm not sure if it's because of the 4-piston design or what feels like a slightly different leverage curve on the Servowave mechanism, probably both. I find that the Saint/Zee modulate every bit as well as my old 4-piston XT brakes, and those ones could match the Hopes for modulation & control.

    The SLX/XT/XTR brakes are nice and work well for many people, but to me they have a bit of a wonky spot in the Servowave curve which makes it harder to feather the brakes. It's easier to accidentally lock up a wheel than with the Zee/Saint.
    I totally agree. They do have a quick bite off the bat, but after that they tend to be problematic on getting the proper modulation for descending. Also I have badly faded the xtr's on some downhill runs. Not the brake to go with for high speed stuff for heavy guys.

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    Yep Bob is still in business. His website is way out of date. I know he has been wanting to update it for years but never has. I do everything via email with him and pay him by check to keep his ( and my ) costs down (no CC fees).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooner518 View Post
    Thanks for the suggestion. He had the cheapest price I've seen so far for lever, caliper, rotors and adapters. Prolly ordering them tomorrow.
    Bob is hard to beat.

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    What does he charge for what? Hope brake wise?

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    Hard to say here, email him.

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    I have Hope X2 Evo and love em. Like most will comment, either one will work but it'll depend on your preference. I like modulation feel and dictate the amount of lever pull when I descend or in technical spots. Hopes just does it for me. Nothing wrong with XT if that's your style of braking.

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    I got a set of XT brakes to replace my shitty Avid XO brakes and they were a solid set up. Easy to bleed and set up but the modulation wasn't there. I just got Hope M4's front and rear for my ss and they are fantastic. The adjustability is better than the XT and modulation is incredible. Never looking back

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    Both brakes are very solid. But honestly I would get the Shimano brakes because you can actually get parts for them in the US. Unless you're willing to buy a stock of replacement parts for the Hope's I'd move along.

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    You can get tons of replacement parts plus upgrades and color matching online for the hopes. Mostly you have to order from England, but they have shipped stuff to me very quickly. Hope in Texas also has many upgrade and replacement parts. In fact you can by and large get way more stuff here than you can for any of the shamino brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    You can get tons of replacement parts plus upgrades and color matching online for the hopes. Mostly you have to order from England, but they have shipped stuff to me very quickly. Hope in Texas also has many upgrade and replacement parts. In fact you can by and large get way more stuff here than you can for any of the shamino brakes.
    But what happens when your on a MTB trip and need pads or blow a seal? Hope is a pretty niche brand and they don't have the support in the US like Shimano and Avid do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by customfab View Post
    But what happens when your on a MTB trip and need pads or blow a seal? Hope is a pretty niche brand and they don't have the support in the US like Shimano and Avid do.
    Stock up when you make a purchase, seal kits are peanuts. I run CK hubs in the UK and can't get the seal and snap ring kits in the UK so just buy a load in one go from over the pond. No brainier if you want the best kit on your stead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by customfab View Post
    But what happens when your on a MTB trip and need pads or blow a seal? Hope is a pretty niche brand and they don't have the support in the US like Shimano and Avid do.
    The same thing you'd do with any other brand product, which as already been stated, is to stock up. All Hope parts are readily available and relatively inexpensive. I keep a full set of essentials on hand.
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    Of the 4 hope brake sets I have had, I have never needed a seal, but you can order them like you can order anything else. Look on e-bay for the hundreds of pads for hope brakes. All kinds from stock, to EBC customs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    The same thing you'd do with any other brand product, which as already been stated, is to stock up. All Hope parts are readily available and relatively inexpensive. I keep a full set of essentials on hand.
    I wish the athletes I normally find myself working with had this thought process. If you're willing to keep those parts on hand I can't see a reason to avoid the Hope's, but I still think the XTR trail brakes on my bike are the best binders I've ever used.

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    All this talk about Hope replacement parts sounds good. I just bent a few parts and need to find some replacements, but haven't gotten a response after e-mailing Hope. What's the best place to order parts from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29ger View Post
    All this talk about Hope replacement parts sounds good. I just bent a few parts and need to find some replacements, but haven't gotten a response after e-mailing Hope. What's the best place to order parts from?
    Hope. Just call them directly, down in Texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29ger View Post
    All this talk about Hope replacement parts sounds good. I just bent a few parts and need to find some replacements, but haven't gotten a response after e-mailing Hope. What's the best place to order parts from?
    I get my parts in 2 days from England to California and not using overnight services, and their shipping is cheap. I have never dealt with a company other than Ibis that is this quick and they will build the parts up any way you like. Great guys to deal with and the prices are as competitive as you can get for Hope parts. And in any color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29ger View Post
    All this talk about Hope replacement parts sounds good. I just bent a few parts and need to find some replacements, but haven't gotten a response after e-mailing Hope. What's the best place to order parts from?
    Chainreaction cycles. Maybe it's different to the US but I can get parts in 2 days from Uk to Canada and shipping is cheap (often free)

    I will never not use hope brakes again until there is some crazy revolution in brakes, and then ill use the hope version of that. $$$$....yes but one of the best bike purchases I ever made in 20 years
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    I called the Hope place down in Texas. They had the parts, and will get them out today. Chain reaction only had some of the parts I needed listed. Thanks for the ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29ger View Post
    I called the Hope place down in Texas. They had the parts, and will get them out today. Chain reaction only had some of the parts I needed listed. Thanks for the ideas.
    Nice. I buy everything Hope directly from them now . . . fast shipping, they always have EVERYTHING, and best prices.
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    $400 for brakeset. Hope or Shimanos?

    Heard good things about hope. I have xt's I really like them. Honestly regardless what you get ANYTHING is better than boy toy SRAM brakes. I really like hope products only reason I went xt was I got a killer deal on them and I had ice tech rotors

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    Quote Originally Posted by vapezilla View Post
    Heard good things about hope. I have xt's I really like them. Honestly regardless what you get ANYTHING is better than boy toy SRAM brakes. I really like hope products only reason I went xt was I got a killer deal on them and I had ice tech rotors
    xt's are very good, they lack modulation, but overall a great brake.

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    People here should refer to Shimano model numbers rather than just XTs or XTRs. One person said something about trying out XTRs because of the 'servowave', when Shimano brought servowave to the XTs (and SLXs) years ago.

    It makes me wonder how many here who are comparing Hopes and Shimanos are comparing older Shimano models without realising Not to suggest the Hopes aren't fantastic, and/or better, just that we should be sure what we're comparing.

    Personally, I find the modulation on my SLX M666s to be quite good. I can understand why someone might think they were on/off, but I think it's a matter of adapting to a more subtle way of modulating. Perhaps it requires slightly finer motor skills? (Not meant as a criticism for those who don't like it, just an issue of usage preference.)

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