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    BMC Superstroke photos

    I have a BMC bike I'm testing right now for mtbr. Does anybody know anything about these bikes? Let me know what you think.

    The frame is sweet. It is like a swiss watch bike. everything is machined and designed with an original train of thought. It's totally different. The cable holders are bolted into the frame. The seatpost has two binder bolts.

    Check the pics and see. I haven't ridden it yet since Norcal weather sucks. Soon though.

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    Yummy. I've seen their 4 stroke reviewed. It was very well received. That looks like one promising rig.

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    Woooo

    what a frame!!!!
    The details are incredible and impecable. looks super tough.
    The welds look great, that rear der. hanger looks stout with the 3 screws design
    The reinforments are beautiful and creative, the rocker, super nice!!!
    100/100 points to BMC on this one

    Tell us how it rides!!!!

    How many inches in the back?

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    Just rented one from OTE in Fruita for four days.The bike was OK.rides very tall.Short top tube.The 36 up front was great,should have come with a least a 7" rotor though for what the bike is designed for.The rear end seemed to bob a little more than my Reign.Out of the 2 bikes I would keep my Reign even though the parts spec isnt as nice or the finish,the BMC doesnt ride as well,IMO

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    Might have figured out what went wrong with my set up.
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    Two bolts to loosen before dropping the saddle? On a Van36 equipped bike?

    That in itself is a deal breaker.

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    What size is it and how tall are you? Ive been looking at these but havent found much info. Looking foward to hearing your review!

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    Seriously I did find the geometry and set up bizarre.Seat bolts just one example.The finish and workmanship is first rate but not well thought out.

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    Great looking....

    We have 3 demos at my shop right now. I love the finish and look of the bike. Not as expensive as I would have thought either. The suspension pivots are loose on all three. Haven't nailed down the cause yet, another mechanic thinks it could be a design flaw. Haven't ridden one on the trails. The Fourstroke 03 has been coming back with rave reviews from the people we have rented to. I'm seriously considering it for my next XC bike. I think the Superstroke frame is around $1800-1900 and the Fourstroke 03 is $1200-1300. We haven't had them long so we are still getting the details. Thats all I know....

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    Hey Noah, what do you think is the problem with the bearings loosening. I'm considering buying a Fourstroke Trail and would like to know what people think. Also can you give me some advise on sizing. I'm about 6'01" and have a 32-33 " inseam. My current hardtail has a 24" top tube and a 21" seattube. What do think, a 19" ro 21" Fourstroke.

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    I think you should ride it up Kennedy tomorrow to see how it climbs.:

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    McBMC, it keeps that hot, hot, and the cool, cool

    I'm not sure what the pivot problem is. I haven't looked into it that in depth. I mostly do sales at the shop, so I haven't taken it apart. No problems with the fourstroke though. It's doing great. I haven't ridden the "trail version" that has another inch of travel, so I can't offer any review. Sizing wise, I would say you are right, a 19" or 21". I like my bikes a bit smaller, I'm 6'2" and generally feel good on 19" bikes because I like the manuverability a bit better. But it comes down to preference. If I was a serious XC rider only I'd get a 21, otherwise a 19. They even make a 23, which we have and it is a super tall bike! I hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smw
    I think you should ride it up Kennedy tomorrow to see how it climbs.:

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    Better yet... I need to see how it descends!!! I should do the Priest Rock downhill though, otherwise known as dogmeat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyN
    Two bolts to loosen before dropping the saddle? On a Van36 equipped bike?

    That in itself is a deal breaker.

    My thoughts exactly. If they're gonna' do that, it needs to come with one of the adjustable height posts instead. The whole seatpost/seatmast area looks like a weakpoint. Never can tell by looks though.

    Good looking bike otherwise though, nicely specced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    My thoughts exactly. If they're gonna' do that, it needs to come with one of the adjustable height posts instead. The whole seatpost/seatmast area looks like a weakpoint. NEver can tell by looks though.

    Good looking bike otherwise though, nicely specced.

    Now that is a good call! I'll call those guys up today and get one of these:

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    Great suggestion!
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    My buddy just put a SpeedBall on his 4 Stroke yesterday - say's it the cat's meow.

    One caveat, BMC use's an interrupted seatube, insertion could be an issue on a small frame. Supposedly the SpeedBall can be cut down a couple of inches. Oh yeah - No Shims required!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash_Burn
    My buddy just put a SpeedBall on his 4 Stroke yesterday - say's it the cat's meow.

    One caveat, BMC use's an interrupted seatube, insertion could be an issue on a small frame. Supposedly the SpeedBall can be cut down a couple of inches. Oh yeah - No Shims required!

    What is a SpeedBall? Link and photo please for the uninformed.

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    Man you been hiding under a computer

    Paul Turner and Boy's product

    http://www.maverickbike.com/productdetails.aspx?pid=123

    I think Quailty has them in the pipeline.

    Now that this All Mountain board is up and running, seems like these gizmo's will be getting a bit more run on MBTR.

    Thanks for the new forum!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash_Burn
    Man you been hiding under a computer

    Paul Turner and Boy's product

    http://www.maverickbike.com/productdetails.aspx?pid=123

    I think Quailty has them in the pipeline.

    Now that this All Mountain board is up and running, seems like these gizmo's will be getting a bit more run on MBTR.

    Thanks for the new forum!

    Nice man! I've bee busy in my compound building an arc. It's for the Norcal icepack that's about to melt.

    My bikes have seen some action but they are the three that have no shocks! Now that the weather has turned, it's time to play.

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    Yeah so....

    I borrowed a demo Superstroke from my shop and I gotta say I love it! I think I found my next bike! I've only ridden it around town so far because I picked it up earlier this evening. Tomorrow I am taking it to Moab for UPS-LPS-Porcupine, basically a 20+ mi downhill. I think it will be dope. I'll let you know and maybe post some pictures. But I have to say, so far I am really impressed! Really short top tube makes it feel really nimble and it manuals like crazy. I'm on the 18" and the ETT is only 21". My buddy rode a manual on it to a dead stop! It was nuts, his very first ride on the bike! BMC you complete me.
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    dam man!!! how much did that cost I really whant one of those and were did you buy it at

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbgiovanny
    dam man!!! how much did that cost I really whant one of those and were did you buy it at
    Down Mexico way, call Abel at SOHO bikes near satelite. 360-3578. When I was there he had a sweet 4-stroke in the shop. Looks like he can get hold of BMC.

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    BMC sells a doohicky to make that into a QR seatpost. Looks like this.
    If I was to go out and buy a FS today, it would be a Fourstroke 03.
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    someone know ?

    very intresting bike nice details, do anybody have their website to see little more info'
    on the other bikes and this company ?

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    Sold!

    So I have spent a lot of saddle time on the our shops' Superstroke now. I really dig it. I did Koko-UPS-porpcupine and AMsa back last week on it and hit a lot of drops. Handles like a champ. Today I rode Amasa back and another trail I can't tell you about. I really dig this bike. Suspension is plush. Much better than other VP systems I've ridden. Feels a lot like the Nomad, but the geometry is a little better suited for all day adventures. The bike I rode had the two bolts for the seatpost clamp, which was awfully annoying. That was my only major complaint, additionally it was pretty loud when really bombing the rough stuff. I imagine the 5" Fourstroke Trail will have a nice blend of the 4" Fourstrokes qualities and those of the Super. Can't beat the price either, only $1095 for the frame (it is odd how the Superstoke is $800 more). I may have found my next bike. Happy trails!
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    I like the fourstroke, have no need for a superstroke, but how does the seatpost clamp area look in terms of reliability? It does look a bit weak. Also the 4stroke trail is basicly the same frame as the 4stroke but with different links. Would it beable to handle say 2-3' drops to tranny?

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    Isn't the BMC suspension an unlicensed rip-off of DW link? If so, why would you spend your money on supporting theft?

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    Has that been confirmed yet? I know it was asked in the Iron horse forums but never saw anyone say Yes or No. Anyhow, I agree I think it sucks that DW isnt getting credit for his work but BMC isnt the only company copying technology. You cant just single them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crgowo
    Has that been confirmed yet? I know it was asked in the Iron horse forums but never saw anyone say Yes or No. Anyhow, I agree I think it sucks that DW isnt getting credit for his work but BMC isnt the only company copying technology. You cant just single them out.
    It is unconfirmed and DW isn't pointing any fingers without lawyers' involvement. But there are a few companies which come to mind as far as DW link rip off and I ain't spending my money on neither of them.

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    i had thought of asking dave weagle at the iron horse forum whether BMC was stealing/copying his technology or whether there was some sort of an unofficial agreement. but then i did'nt cause i thought maybe (after reading a post there on this topic and noting dw's nonresponse) that it might be a sensitive issue and impolite to pursue.

    but yes, no matter how much i like this bike, and i really do, i would not spend money on it unless somebody confirms either that a) bmc is not ripping off dw nor improperly borrowing but perhaps there exists some sort of an acknowledgement or agreement between bmc and dw or b) that the bmc VPS or APS or whatever it is called is different enough from dw to not be a rip off (which i doubt..)

    anyway, bmc is a company with a good reputation. in america they are known for their high high quality of road bikes but in europe also for their mountain bikes. i should think it shoddy, and not to say stupid, business tactics if bmc has in fact "stolen" from dw. considering the reputation of the company, and allowing the bmc management a minimal portion of common sense, i would think a company with so much credibility to lose would not blatantly just rip somebody off like this, especially in a niche market scenario like mountain biking where consumer presence is actually pretty pronounced and effective.

    people like good guys, i hope bmc is ona those. beautiful bike though, damn. eagerly waiting the review!

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    PS: i WOULD buy this bike regardless if it were a dw rip off, if it turns out that dave weagle is one rich dude (or atleast has prospects to be one rich dude on account of the dw_link) with enough money to ensure his grandchildren...er, make that children , eight semesters in harvard, cuz man, this bike IS beautiful!! so, Mr weagle, count your change and lemme know!

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    Great logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by hagar
    PS: i WOULD buy this bike regardless if it were a dw rip off, if it turns out that dave weagle is one rich dude (or atleast has prospects to be one rich dude on account of the dw_link) with enough money to ensure his grandchildren...er, make that children , eight semesters in harvard, cuz man, this bike IS beautiful!! so, Mr weagle, count your change and lemme know!
    If I'm reading you right, then as long as a guy might get rich with "his" ideas or inventions, then it's perfectly alright to rip him off? Hopefully someone else won't use that logic to replace you in a job you might have because they could find an illegal alien to do your job for $2.25 an hour. You might have to ride a Huffy at that hourly wage instead of the BMC you're lusting after.

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    well, that second post was kinda supposed to be taken lightly... sorry for my irreverent humor?

    and well, i am from india so i dont think i have to worry about illegal aliens, though you might need to worry about me

    anyway, i hope we get to see a review soon, i keep checking in here every few hours

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    I found it humorous. I am pretty amazed by DW. Guy hit the right place and right time on his chainguide and now finds himself at the head of 2 very promissing companies. If he isn't sitting very well off by now, he will be in a couple more years.

    So francios, how is that thing riding?? Ride report...

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    hey!!!! so what was the price of the whole bike? and where did you get it from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerdog
    Down Mexico way, call Abel at SOHO bikes near satelite. 360-3578. When I was there he had a sweet 4-stroke in the shop. Looks like he can get hold of BMC.
    wooohooo that is a very sweet bike shop I just had a chat with abel and made for me very kind offers

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    Quote Originally Posted by hagar
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    anyway, bmc is a company with a good reputation. in america they are known for their high high quality of road bikes but in europe also for their mountain bikes. i should think it shoddy, and not to say stupid, business tactics if bmc has in fact "stolen" from dw. considering the reputation of the company, and allowing the bmc management a minimal portion of common sense, i would think a company with so much credibility to lose would not blatantly just rip somebody off like this, especially in a niche market scenario like mountain biking where consumer presence is actually pretty pronounced and effective.

    people like good guys, i hope bmc is ona those. beautiful bike though, damn. eagerly waiting the review!
    Thinking of something similar, Scott used the HL on the Genius bike. The Genius is a pretty nice bike, but Scott still made it, and Specialized sued Scott (I think) and the Genius isn't sold at the States.

    I'm not sure about DW-Link, but I think that Dave Weagle hasn't copyrighted it, so I think for now there is a wiggle room for someone else to come up with something similar... btw, I'm not a lawyer, or know much about this, just some .02...

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    That bike is ok. I think it would be better if it had higher end components on it.
    www.cycletofitness.com It's only a super-awesome website for a super-awesome store. Just click it. I dare you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonyisdope
    That bike is ok. I think it would be better if it had higher end components on it.
    Such as???? That's a really nice build. What would you improve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    I have a BMC bike I'm testing right now for mtbr. Does anybody know anything about these bikes? Let me know what you think.

    The frame is sweet. It is like a swiss watch bike. everything is machined and designed with an original train of thought. It's totally different. The cable holders are bolted into the frame. The seatpost has two binder bolts.

    Check the pics and see. I haven't ridden it yet since Norcal weather sucks. Soon though.

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    the pics arent showing for me...unless I qoute you...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardtails Are Better
    Such as???? That's a really nice build. What would you improve?
    That was sarcasm btw.
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    Ahhh... This is the problem with internet forums. No vocal intonation.

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    That is the very bike my LBS is saying is the sh*t. How did I get around to considering a basically unknown MTB entity in the first place? Because I (very briefly) got to try a SC Nomad in Moab a couple weeks ago and decided, on the spot, that the Nomad was going to be my next ride. I am smitten with that bike. But, alas, I am being told they are difficult to come by, the wait times are very lengthy, that I probably won't get the color I want, etc. etc. The reason - according to my sources - is due to SC's savvy marketing hype machine and their limited production capacity. Whatever.

    I did try the BMC in the parking lot and was impressed with its overall build quality and attention to detail. Due to its suspension - similar to the Nomad's VPP - and its relaxed geometry again, similar to the Nomad, I found the BMC to be a potentially valid alternative (the frame cost is actually a little higher!), although the top tube is a full inch shorter, which puts me over the bike a little more than the SC.

    So. . . I am very interested in your review, Francois. True 3rd-party info is hard to find on this bike although I hear they are very popular in Europe.

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    Isn't the BMC suspension an unlicensed rip-off of DW link? If so, why would you spend your money on supporting theft?

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    I think lots of people are missing the point about DW link and other bikes which have similar linkage configurations.ie Giant Reign, BMC Superatrokem ect

    Its not the linkage configuration thats an issue but the axle path and compression rates of the shock that are particular to to the DW design. Similar arrangements of linkages have been around for ages (ie Swinn Rocket 88) but each bike has a very specific range of movement. These bikes might look similar but if you measured the angles and distances of pivots and shock between say a Reign and the new 6 inch travel Ironhorse you would come out with a totallaly different figures.

    If there are any bikes out there that have copied the DW Link axle path and compresion rate I havent heard about it. From what I can tell, from reading various reviews, is that Reigns and Superstrokes rear suspension feels quite differant from DW link design and not even similar to each-other. Maybe we'll get an answer from the DW himself as he is a frequent visitor to MTBR...

    Gossip is great but wouldnt you rather be out riding your bike???
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    Quote Originally Posted by other aardvark
    THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE???

    I think lots of people are missing the point about DW link and other bikes which have similar linkage configurations.ie Giant Reign, BMC Superatrokem ect

    Its not the linkage configuration thats an issue but the axle path and compression rates of the shock that are particular to to the DW design. Similar arrangements of linkages have been around for ages (ie Swinn Rocket 88) but each bike has a very specific range of movement. These bikes might look similar but if you measured the angles and distances of pivots and shock between say a Reign and the new 6 inch travel Ironhorse you would come out with a totallaly different figures.

    If there are any bikes out there that have copied the DW Link axle path and compresion rate I havent heard about it. From what I can tell, from reading various reviews, is that Reigns and Superstrokes rear suspension feels quite differant from DW link design and not even similar to each-other. Maybe we'll get an answer from the DW himself as he is a frequent visitor to MTBR...

    Gossip is great but wouldnt you rather be out riding your bike???
    Can't be out riding when you're stuck in the office, eh?

    And yeah, you make a valid point about axle paths. But I don't think that BMC or Giant wanted a different axle path, or link configuration, per se, they just don't have the level of understanding of the linkage and the forces involved of Dave Weagle's and the suspension they produce is their best shot, probably arrived at through trial and error rather than full blown mathematical analysis. And I bet the result is pretty good, since Maestro, at least, gets great reviews.

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    What an absolutely beautiful bike...
    Can not wait for your final ride review.
    Really interested in buying one, just not too many local dealers,
    And MTBR.com needs to create a BMC forum under the manufacturers forum.

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    This thread is about a year old ,
    are you waiting for the review all this time ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hagar
    and well, i am from india so i dont think i have to worry about illegal aliens, though you might need to worry about me
    Hopefully most people in India think this way (I believe they do by the way). I say that because your refusal to recognize intellectual property rights will come back and bite you in the arse.

    Just wait, you'll see.

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    jesus that is a ridiculously good looking bike.. man.... i love it!!!!
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