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    tube or tubeless, for on/off pavement question

    I have settled in with Renegade 1.8" 2Bliss

    Currently using tubes as I have not set up this bike, which I purchased new this summer, tube-less via Stan's yet.

    I like about 40-45 psi on pavement (obviously less off). 45psi is the rec. max psi amount for Stans.

    So I am on the edge (tube less) which leads to my question to you all.

    I don't suspect I will hit anything hard enough off road where a tube may help protect a rim plus, my rims are beefy, double wall, 32 heavy gauge spoke, bike pack tour wheels.

    I am 5'9" 175#'s

    I use this bike all purpose from local utility to bike packing, all weather with in reason (not just a fair weather bike'r) and live in a true four season habitat.

    Tube or tube-less for this one ?

    Thanks
    Enjoy the outdoors.......

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    I found that when I converted my 40mm Schwalbe Mondials to tubeless that I ended up running lower pressures.

    - DSCF1446

    I used to run 35-40 psi and after dropped to 27f/30r and that is on or off pavement. I found the tires rolled faster that with tubes and I found no need to go much above 30psi even on long pavement rides. I don't do any bike packing currently but do mixed pavement/gravel/dirt rides. I am about your weight.

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    6' 160ish and race the Renegade 1.8s all summer. Tubeless; 25psi off-road; probably closer to 30psi on-road or gravel. Great tires and no problems. Definately go tubeless.

    My only caveat: If you have the s-works version the sidewall can rip or tear easy. Be careful. I run the "control" version with beefier sidewalls and have no problems in all conditions.

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    4Crawler - thanks

    Iowagriz - They are the Control series not the S Works.

    I guess my concern is increased rolling resistance on pavement, not being able to inflate to say 50ish psi if I want . Yet, it seems for both of you, little if anything was loss, correct?
    My other concern is burps yet, this is a fire-forest service, gravel-dirt road, town utility, bike pack = bike and not a XC single track bike. I don't foresee and hard impacts which may cause a burb like single track. A Stan's conversion kit would be used.

    FWIW- My Origin 8 / Black Ops Fork arrived today, as I type this also.

    I have tried several tires on this bike and Really liked the Renegade Control 1.8".

    Thanks

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    Yes, it goes against the normal grain of thinking (higher pressures on firm surfaces), but the lower pressure really do not negatively affect the rolling resistance. An article that I read explained it in this manner.....instead of high pressure and bouncing off rocks, your lower pressure tire will conform to the irregular surfaces.

    As for burps, I rarely have a problem, even then, I only lose a small amount of air and continue on without a problem. Start with 1.5x the suggested Stans (to ensure tight bead seal) and 30psi. You'll enjoy the ride and wonder why you didn't do it prior.

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    I'm rolling on dirt and asphalt roads with bruce gordon tires set up tubless at 35 psi. They roll really well on the asphalt.

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