• 11-29-2012
    ascarlarkinyar
    Trails with relentless goatheads, non-ending flats, what do you use?
    i usually ride tubless, but by the end of some long rides i have tubes in due to flats. some trails especially in the southwest have trails of just miles and miles of goatheads.

    i have had more goatheads than black tire showing. what do you do to not flat? what works best.
  • 11-29-2012
    crux
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ascarlarkinyar View Post
    i usually ride tubless, but by the end of some long rides i have tubes in due to flats. some trails especially in the southwest have trails of just miles and miles of goatheads.

    i have had more goatheads than black tire showing. what do you do to not flat? what works best.

    Also living in the southwest and those goat heads can really do quite a bit of damage. Normally drop in about 4 times the stans recommended in each tire. When out riding in the back country don't really care about the added weight if I have the option of riding out over walking.
  • 11-29-2012
    millertm
    Here in NM, those goatheads are a Huge prob. I use the thicker "gooed" intertubes and liners. Goo will dry out in a few months and the liners help but it can be an issue. Yes I pull them out when I can. As stated, adding lots of Stans will help. Moreover, there are tires that can help but they are also heaver. Your LBS can show you these tires.

    Mark
  • 11-29-2012
    SingleTrackLovr
    This time of year I can pickup 50+ goatheads in one ride.
    Standard thickness slime tube with 2 fluid oz of yard tractor slime added.
    You can get this thicker slime at any autoparts store for a bottle that will do 8
    tires it's ~ 10 bucks. Every Spring I replace all my tubes.
    good luck.
  • 11-30-2012
    jan_nikolajsen
    Interesting. I live in Moab, and in town you will easily pick up goatheads in gravel areas, disturbed lots and along curbs. But on the trails nobody I know have ever had a problem.

    Goatheads are an invasive exotic and, like all weeds, will flourish in areas of human impact where large portions of the ground is stripped of native vegetation. The maze of old jeep roads and all the newer trails from recent years we all ride on has thankfully not experienced the goathead invasion.
  • 11-30-2012
    Econoline
    I use 2oz of Stan's in each tube. I originally tried some "thorn-proof" tubes, and they do work, but the tube weighs more than the tire and it's a pita to get the tire on/off the rim. Also tried some high end (kevlar?) tire liners, but the sharp edge of the liner was actually abrading and puncturing the tube.

    Stan's is the best solution so far.
  • 11-30-2012
    fog
    I just add more Stans and keep it fresh. It works for me.

    One hard lesson, I did not remove the goatheads and burped a tire without enough Stans (I did not refresh it) and put in a tube, which went flat as I pumped it up. Luckly I was only a couple of miles from the car.

    Removing the old goatheads would have kept me riding.

    Wayne
  • 11-30-2012
    50calray
    Back in my BMX days, I would cut open a thicker thorn resistant tube and insert another Thorne resistant tube. This really help reduce flats. So that's all I can really come up with, that and a sealant like slime or Stan.
  • 12-03-2012
    ranier
    Perhaps airless tires,

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    I have no experience with these but if your goathead problem is extreme, they might be the ticket.
  • 12-03-2012
    SingleTrackLovr
    Holycow ranier I've never seen those before thanks for posting your idea I'd try a set but wouldn't want to ride them in the mud. haha

    Wouldn't that be something if a tubeless design was the future of mtn bike tires.
  • 12-04-2012
    wahday
    I believe the plan is to develop the ERW tires without the holes as well. This is just a prototype and it is not commercially available. Apparently you will also be able to adjust the "pressure" as well. I, too, would be excited to give these a try.

    Yes, NM and goatheads are not a happy combination at this time of year. And yes, I am usually fine when out on a trail somewhere. But in the developed areas, they are terrible! I am in the midst of switching over to Stans in my tubes as the goo wasn't doing the job, nor the slime. Unfortunately, I just bought some tubes that do not have removable valve cores, which I did not realize until I was ready to fill them up! Grrr. So I need to fork out yet more tube money. Sigh.

    Ultimately my plan is to go tubeless, but that's a little pricey, so its still out on the horizon.
  • 12-04-2012
    cquigdownunder
    Stan's tubeless is the only option for surviving goatheads.
  • 12-05-2012
    venturi95
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wahday View Post
    I believe the plan is to develop the ERW tires without the holes as well. This is just a prototype and it is not commercially available. Apparently you will also be able to adjust the "pressure" as well. I, too, would be excited to give these a try.

    Yes, NM and goatheads are not a happy combination at this time of year. And yes, I am usually fine when out on a trail somewhere. But in the developed areas, they are terrible! I am in the midst of switching over to Stans in my tubes as the goo wasn't doing the job, nor the slime. Unfortunately, I just bought some tubes that do not have removable valve cores, which I did not realize until I was ready to fill them up! Grrr. So I need to fork out yet more tube money. Sigh.

    Ultimately my plan is to go tubeless, but that's a little pricey, so its still out on the horizon.

    You can remove the little knurled "nut" on a presta valve tube, turn it all the way off, up and over the mushroomed end that normally keeps it on. Tie a length of dental floss around the valve stem and push it right on into the tube. Add sealant. Fish it back out when you're done, then replace the knurled nut.
  • 12-05-2012
    wahday
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by venturi95 View Post
    You can remove the little knurled "nut" on a presta valve tube, turn it all the way off, up and over the mushroomed end that normally keeps it on. Tie a length of dental floss around the valve stem and push it right on into the tube. Add sealant. Fish it back out when you're done, then replace the knurled nut.

    I tried this actually. The problems I ran into was getting the Stan's sealant into the tube and then ungumming the valve afterwards. I could only get so much into the tube as the pin seemed to make for not much room for it to pass (maybe there is an adapter that fits snug around the presta casing so you can squeeze it in with more pressure?). Then when I fished the pin back out and reattached the nut, the valve was so gunked I couldn't get any air into the tube.

    Clearly I am not doing something right. If you have any additional details/suggestions, I'm all for it! I'm already pissed at myself for not getting removable valve cores to begin with...

    Thanks.
  • 12-05-2012
    De La Pena
    I ride in NM also. Like others have already said, I quadruple what stans recommends and put in a ton of that stuff. PLUS I add whats probably an equivalent of 1/2 cup of glitter to each tire.

    Toss the presta and cut a new valve off a schraeder tube and go tubeless.
  • 12-06-2012
    ranier
    Y'all need presta valve stems with removable cores. Then get the Stans syringe that screws onto the stem, inject the Stans sealant. Mo betta than fishing or a schraeder valve.
  • 12-06-2012
    verslowrdr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 6bobby9 View Post
    .... PLUS I add whats probably an equivalent of 1/2 cup of glitter to each tire...

    Glitter? :confused: Never heard this before, do tell....
  • 12-06-2012
    De La Pena
    Not much more to tell, visit the art or school supply section of any store and buy some standard glitter. For tubeless put it into the tire before mounting or if already mounted mix it with some stans and inject it through the valve into the tire. I suppose you could do that with tubes as well although I never have. The glitter helps seal any punctures faster, especially big ones, and thus minimizes the loss of stans spraying into your face/air while riding or stopped.
  • 12-07-2012
    skewe
    Stans. Just double up on the suggested volume. I have the same issue here and I am happy with that.

    Amazon.com: Stans-No Tubes Tire Sealant (Quart): Sports & Outdoors
  • 12-09-2012
    sslos
    Here in Boise we have a plethora of goatheads as well.
    I've found that Orange Seal works better than Stan's, and doesn't dry out nearly as quickly.http://orangesealcycling.com/

    Los
  • 12-10-2012
    wahday
    Just to report back, I finally got tubes with removable valve cores. My life is so much better as the Stan's was a breeze to inject (only put in the recommended volume so far, but no problems this past weekend with a considerable amount of goatheads). I don't recommend dealing with unscrewing the nut, keeping the pin in there, and all that crappola. If its all you have to contend with in the field, by all means, but otherwise, don't be an idiot like me and make sure you are getting removable valve cores.
  • 12-11-2012
    dr.welby
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by venturi95 View Post
    You can remove the little knurled "nut" on a presta valve tube, turn it all the way off, up and over the mushroomed end that normally keeps it on. Tie a length of dental floss around the valve stem and push it right on into the tube. Add sealant. Fish it back out when you're done, then replace the knurled nut.

    I used to do this - removing the mushroomed end from the valve with a file makes it easier to take the nut off, but the last time I tried it I couldn't get the valve to drop out of the valve stem. There was some sort of stop at the other end.

    With old tubes, I now just cut a teeny hole in the tube, pop in the slime bottle, then clean surface of the tube with solvent before patching it. Often I'll use an existing goathead hole as an excuse to convert the tube.

    But yes, if I was starting from scratch I'd just get removable stems - way easier.