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    I've done just under 50 days of bike touring (on-road) and several hundred days of backpacking. This was my first Bikepacking trip, combining the two other sports into one. I only did around 35 miles on an overnighter, but I had to carry my bike over or through so many downed trees, it felt like double the miles. I thought that carrying so much weight on my back would be bad, but if my bike were heavier from using a frame bag, I would have had a lot of trouble getting it over some of the trees blocking the trail. I also don't think I'll do anything with such aggressive downhills if I can't get behind my seat. I think I'll switch to a rear rack so I can achieve this. the giant seatbag was also a pain to pack and unpack and it would hit the tire it if I didn't understuff it and then use cinch straps to pull it out of the way.

    My setup:

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    Day 2 of my first bikepacking trip: the climb! the top half is all gnarly singletrack. The descent down the other side is a ridiculous signletrack trail on a ridge/spur which hits four or 5 little peaks on the way down. It's really cool seeing where you're going from the top and how it stretches out across the landscape. didn't think to take that picture...
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    Just got my rig put together. Me and a buddy are heading out to do the 140mile Kokopelli Trail this weekend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooverGiant View Post
    Just got my rig put together. Me and a buddy are heading out to do the 140mile Kokopelli Trail this weekend!
    Good luck out there
    Hopefully the weather will be better over there than the front range currently is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooverGiant View Post
    Just got my rig put together. Me and a buddy are heading out to do the 140mile Kokopelli Trail this weekend!
    Nice setup! What kind of bag are you using for the toptube?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    I've done just under 50 days of bike touring (on-road) and several hundred days of backpacking. This was my first Bikepacking trip, combining the two other sports into one. I only did around 35 miles on an overnighter, but I had to carry my bike over or through so many downed trees, it felt like double the miles. I thought that carrying so much weight on my back would be bad, but if my bike were heavier from using a frame bag, I would have had a lot of trouble getting it over some of the trees blocking the trail. I also don't think I'll do anything with such aggressive downhills if I can't get behind my seat. I think I'll switch to a rear rack so I can achieve this. the giant seatbag was also a pain to pack and unpack and it would hit the tire it if I didn't understuff it and then use cinch straps to pull it out of the way.

    My setup:
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    Day 2 of my first bikepacking trip: the climb! the top half is all gnarly singletrack. The descent down the other side is a ridiculous signletrack trail on a ridge/spur which hits four or 5 little peaks on the way down. It's really cool seeing where you're going from the top and how it stretches out across the landscape. didn't think to take that picture...
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    Ya I would get a rack and top load it, that way you could get behind the seat if needed and wouldn't have to deal with panniers sticking out

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    Nice stuff, y'all.

    hoover, how'd ya attach the bottle cage(s) to the lower(s)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by She&I View Post
    how'd ya attach the bottle cage(s) to the lower(s)?
    Not sure what he is using, but this is what I use, they're quite light, and can attach securely pretty much anywhere. Used them on a couple trips and they work great.
    http://www.twofish.biz/pdf/StainlessCages.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by She&I View Post
    Nice stuff, y'all.

    hoover, how'd ya attach the bottle cage(s) to the lower(s)?
    Hose clamps work with a metal cage.
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    they maybe salsa anything cages i know those are popular

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    Here's my Troll on its maiden bikepacking voyage. I was pretty happy with my setup, but extremely happy with how well the bike handled the weekend:
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    My first trip was an overnight in the Daniel Boone National Forest, specifically along the Sheltowee Trace near Cave Run Lake.
    20 miles on day one, and 7 miles on day two. Here's my gear list:

    Surly Troll 18", with 2.5" tires (22-25 psi)
    RD Viscacha seat bag
    shelter: Big Agnes Seedhouse SL2 rain fly + groundcloth
    cookware + stove (snowpeak giga)
    Patagucci Nanopuff jacket
    rain jacket
    wool socks, underwear
    wool beanie
    sleeping bag liner

    RD Tangle frame bag

    tent fly poles + stakes
    pump
    spare tube and tire boot
    stan's goop
    assorted Clif bars
    bike lighting

    Tools were carried in the container below the frame pack

    Sunlite front rack
    Big Agnes 30º bag + thermarest pillow

    Osprey Raptor 18
    backpacking french press + coffee grounds
    big agnes sleeping pad
    headlamp
    toiletries
    gloves
    wool shirt
    wallet, iPhone
    food, snacks
    knife

    I carried a total of 5L of water on me at all times, 3L in the hydration pack, and 2L on the fork with a jerry-rigged cage system.

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    sweet setup brother i have always liked the Troll's

    Quote Originally Posted by brokebike View Post
    Here's my Troll on its maiden bikepacking voyage. I was pretty happy with my setup, but extremely happy with how well the bike handled the weekend:
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    My first trip was an overnight in the Daniel Boone National Forest, specifically along the Sheltowee Trace near Cave Run Lake.
    20 miles on day one, and 7 miles on day two. Here's my gear list:

    Surly Troll 18", with 2.5" tires (22-25 psi)
    RD Viscacha seat bag
    shelter: Big Agnes Seedhouse SL2 rain fly + groundcloth
    cookware + stove (snowpeak giga)
    Patagucci Nanopuff jacket
    rain jacket
    wool socks, underwear
    wool beanie
    sleeping bag liner

    RD Tangle frame bag

    tent fly poles + stakes
    pump
    spare tube and tire boot
    stan's goop
    assorted Clif bars
    bike lighting

    Tools were carried in the container below the frame pack

    Sunlite front rack
    Big Agnes 30º bag + thermarest pillow

    Osprey Raptor 18
    backpacking french press + coffee grounds
    big agnes sleeping pad
    headlamp
    toiletries
    gloves
    wool shirt
    wallet, iPhone
    food, snacks
    knife

    I carried a total of 5L of water on me at all times, 3L in the hydration pack, and 2L on the fork with a jerry-rigged cage system.

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    Here's another Troll.



    Handlebar sling/pocket is Revelate; all the framepacks are by Greg Wheelwright of Bolder Bikepacking. No backpack required on this setup, which is a big deal for me - I hate having something on my back while I ride.

    Full album from the trip:
    May 2013: French Creek State Park - Julian Bender - Travels and Photos

    In the Sling is:
    Big Agnes Fly Creek UL1 tent
    HammockGear 20 degree down quilt
    Thermarest Prolite
    Montbell ExLite jacket
    inflatable pillow
    camp towel
    wool cap
    hiking pants
    spare shirt

    In the pocket:
    Wallet, keys, etc
    Kindle
    Headlamp
    Camera (Panasonic Powershot G12)
    Garmin ETrex 20 (I somehow lost the holder to keep it on my handlebars...awkward)
    First aid kit
    Trowel and T.P.
    MP3 player
    phone

    In the front gas tank:
    Clif bars and trail mix

    In the rear gas tank:
    Contact solution, soap, personal hygiene stuff

    In the main frame pack, large pocket:
    MSR Pocket Rocket stove, gas can
    Snow Peak 700 ml pot/mug
    Food
    REI Fleet jacket

    In the main frame pack, small pocket:
    Tools, maps, cue sheets

    Plus a total of 74oz of water in the 3 bottles; on a mild-weather day like this, that's all the capacity I needed. The bottle cages are Two Fish, and I'm still having issues with getting them to stay in place without listing toward the back of the fork and, on singletrack, into the tires.
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    ^ jbphilly: Tent + mat but no sleeping bag?!?

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    ^ jbphilly: Tent + mat but no sleeping bag?!?
    Ditto, wondered about that as it looks like you have a sleeping bag up front? Nice setup, thanks for the writeup/details.

    Beautiful location btw, where is it?

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    PS: Should have said it before: Thanks to Troll owners for posting setups! :-) I'm about to get one so it's handy for me to see who fits what where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    ^ jbphilly: Tent + mat but no sleeping bag?!?
    Derp. Forgot that key ingredient somehow...original post edited.

    @ridemtn: I took the commuter train out from Philadelphia to Downingtown, PA, then rode about 20 miles up to French Creek State Park, stealth camped there, and then rode back to Malvern, PA to catch the train back to Philly. Probably just around 50 miles of riding all in all, but there were some hills that got my legs working pretty good!
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    ^ Thanks for the clarification - I'm impressed everything fitted in the bags shown. :-)

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    Here's my El Mariachi kitted out for a couple of nights



    And a blog entry showing what's in those bags...

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    My EVO, in RV mode on the "2012 CFITT" race.

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    My bikepacking setup is finally complete. This is the setup for my next 2-month Kyrgyzstan trip.
    The trip is going to be a offroad most of the time, including a lot of unrideable stuff. My intension is to carry a setup as light as possible. I need a hobo stove , and a lot of space to carry food for many days on that trip though. I also need a big sleeping bag, since temperatures at nights can be below 0 degree Celsius.



    In the front are my jacket, the sleeping pad and the tarptent. They are mounted on my front bar rack.
    On top, there is a light waterproof bag, originally made as a seatbag. It's this one.

    On the frame is my waterbottle, the hobo stove, a framebag for my tools, and a tennis ball container. The container will carry my precooked food for the day. It might also carry additional water on the end of the day, since I always consume a lot over the night. On the rear rack, there is a light backpack, which I am going to carry on my back when descending on trails. Depending on the steepness, I will move the stuff from the front to the rear rack.


    This is my front rack:

    It weights about 250gram, is made some brake levers, aluminium and pvc pipes, fiberglass and resin. The joints of all pipes are filled with resin, to prevent the screws from getting loose.

    I am not sure about the weight of the bike and the gear yet, but the combined weight it will be definitely under 20kg.

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    Nice job on that rack, Estate. Does it have a leg or something to hold it up? Doesn`t seem to me like the brake lever clamps by themselves would resist much torque with a load, but I might be wrong.

    I like your backpack idea, too
    Recalculating....

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    Bog in middle of Ireland,


    Co. Offaly, Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodar y rodar View Post
    Nice job on that rack, Estate. Does it have a leg or something to hold it up? Doesn`t seem to me like the brake lever clamps by themselves would resist much torque with a load, but I might be wrong.
    Thx. This is actually a valid concern. I have no doubt that it would resist the torque. I can put my whole body weight on the rack. However on long terms, it might fail because of the changing stress. I am not that concerned though, because the weight on the front is very low. (below 4lbs)

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    Qs for estate: What sort of bike and fork/travel is that? 26", yes?

    And also, it looks to me as though the front bag arrangement might obscure vision of the front wheel - I find this disconcerting when trying to avoid holes or similar at low speed, or on rough descents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    Qs for estate: What sort of bike and fork/travel is that? 26", yes?
    Manitou Black 85-120mm fork. The frame is a Chakha Pele frame which is not produced anymore. The frameshifting mounts and the lower bottlecage holders are brazed to the frame.
    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    And also, it looks to me as though the front bag arrangement might obscure vision of the front wheel - I find this disconcerting when trying to avoid holes or similar at low speed, or on rough descents.
    It does, and in fact barely rideable decents are my favourite. However, I don't ever look at my front wheel, because it would be to late anyway to take action. Also, depending on the trail and load, I will have my backpack on my back and the front luggage on the rear rack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by estate8143 View Post
    However, I don't ever look at my front wheel, because it would be to late anyway to take action.
    Understood, but I find it helpful to be able to see just in front of the wheel, especially when trying to "lift" it onto things on slow climbs. (I also like to be able to see the front edge of the wheel when drafting or riding in a paceline.)

    Thanks for the response. It's possible I might end up riding the Annapurna Circuit later this year, and part of that will require a backpack, which would be handy for side trips on foot in any case. Does the pack have any significant stiffeners, or does the top of the rack have a wider-than-normal platform to prevent bag movement (like the front rack)???

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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    PS: Should have said it before: Thanks to Troll owners for posting setups! :-) I'm about to get one so it's handy for me to see who fits what where.
    No problem! I'm biased of course, but I think the Troll / Ogre is the perfect (non fatbike) choice for bikepacking, considering how versatile they are. Krampus would get higher marks with me if it just had a few more cleverly placed braze-ons to give you more options.

    After my first trip, here's what I'm changing for next time: First, I updated my Troll's fork for the new Troll fork, which will allow me to take advantage of Salsa Anything Cages for lighter, bulky gear that can be stowed on the fork blades (I'm just not a fan of zip-ties or hose clamps for this purpose). Secondly, I'm getting a full frame bag instead of the Tangle half-frame bag. This will allow me to store a 4L Dromedary bag along with all the other stuff I kept in the Tangle bag. I've found that I pretty much need 7L of water with me for an all-day ride, and coupled with the hydration pack, this should do the trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokebike View Post
    No problem! I'm biased of course, but I think the Troll / Ogre is the perfect (non fatbike) choice for bikepacking, considering how versatile they are. Krampus would get higher marks with me if it just had a few more cleverly placed braze-ons to give you more options.
    ^ Totally agree with all this!

    Re water: The only time I've ever needed to carry 7 litres of water was on Cape York, where water could only be had once per day, at river crossings. I usually find 2-3 litres is enough to carry at one time, but of course this depends on what sources there are along the way and how hot it is. I expect my packing plan will mostly end up being very similar to yours, except I'll probably have a Revelate or similar "handlebar bag" rather than a front rack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokebike View Post
    Krampus would get higher marks with me if it just had a few more cleverly placed braze-ons to give you more options.
    You can run the Krampus with:

    - soft bags [no mods]
    - rear rack [no mods]
    - front rack [OMM works with no mods]
    - waterbottle or anything cages on fork [with hose clamps]
    - many types of trailers [no mods]
    - if you go with OMM racks you can even run fenders

    The only real hack is using hose clamps to secure stuff to the forks, but I think that's a good trade of for a lively fork. One of the complaints MTBers have had with the Ogre and Troll is the dead overbuilt forks. Surly addressed that with the KM and Krampus. The cost was not festooning them with braze-ons.

    If you are looking for a touring bike that can fit MTB tires the Krampus is not your rig, but if you want a mountain bike you can tour with it's a great choice and very versatile.
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    the stand alone Krampus forks do have the braze ons for water bottles, I have a pair on the way

    it seems to be called the enduro fork

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    ^ I think the Enduro fork linked to my just be the Ogre fork, but we need to know the axle to crown distance and/or offset to have any way of telling if it's really another version of the Krampus fork.

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    hmmm, you have me thinking now, will wait to see which fork turns up, different info on the Ison site to the Surly site !

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    apologies folks, just realised that I've taken this thread off topic :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    the stand alone Krampus forks do have the braze ons for water bottles, I have a pair on the way

    it seems to be called the enduro fork

    Ison Distribution
    here's another sighting of it:
    Surly Enduro 29er 4130 Cr-mo for 29 Wheel Disc inc Anything cage mounts krampus

    "It has line guides for disc brake hose, inc Anything cage mounts but no rim brake studs.
    Axle-to-crown:483mm"

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    ^ Useful info, thanks! Pity Surly haven't got around to mentioning it on their site, but I've noticed it ofetn takes them months to update things. I wonder if it's using the lighter tubing as per the Krampus fork and KM (according to vikb) or heavier as per the Ogre/Troll?

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    I emailed Surly and there is indeed a Krampus fork with Anything Cage mounts. I have no other details.
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    I like the idea of Anything Cages on the forks because there are a few lightweight, but bulky items that I'd rather not have taking up so much volume in my frame bags or backpack. I'm thinking of stuff like my sleeping pad, all of my stove/cookset gear... even my little backpacking coffee press. I'm guessing I'd barely feel the weight of these things on the fork, whereas when I strapped water bottles to my fork blades via zip ties, I definitely felt it, and the zip ties kept popping off due to the shifting weight in the bottles.

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    If you are going to mount bottle cages to your fork that doesn't have braze-ons use hose clamps. They are 100% solid.

    Anything Cages are fragile and one of the reasons I decided to ditch my fork mounted cages was they ended up being banged up and got in the way when I laid the bike down or leaned it up against something or had to hike-a-bike through vegetation.

    Salsa has said they'll be coming out with a more robust Anything Cage. Not sure when that will be.

    It wasn't a total failure, but I didn't like it much.



    I replaced them with a stem mounted bottle cage which I love. Makes getting water super easy and has stayed put even on rough high speed descents.

    I'm trying out a 1.5L bottle/cage on the DT. That will give me over 2L of water which is plenty for my part of BC.

    If I need a ton of water for a specific trip I'll throw 1-2L in my backpack and add fork mounted water bottles to the Krampus for that trip.
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    My GF's Pugsley getting ready for her first bike touring trip ever.

    Surly Pugsley - a set on Flickr



    Stole the framebag from my Krampus. Porcelain Rocket bar and seat bags are new.



    We don't need fatbikes for local riding in coastal BC, but it's her only MTB besides a 6"+ travel FS bike. So it's the logical choice.
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    A photo from my first bikepacking trip
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    Troll v2.0

    Got everything set for a S24O. I originally ran a Salsa Down Under rack on the front, and carried the excess on my back in an Osprey Talon. Now, with the frame bag, and the bungee held dry bag on the bars, I have nothing on my back. Not perfect, but works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo View Post
    here is my custom Hunter 29er
    I need a set up like this for bowhunting.

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    Pt. REYES

    Pt. Reyes is a challenging climb to get to the bike accessable camps but the reward is worth it. I set up camp then made morning and evening runs (15miles roundtrip )to the truck for fresh food and cold beers which i kept in the cooler on dry ice.

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    rocking the beamrack nice I ended up getting a revelate seat bag.
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    Pt. Reyes is a challenging climb to get to the bike accessable camps but the reward is worth it. I set up camp then made morning and evening runs (15miles roundtrip )to the truck for fresh food and cold beers which i kept in the cooler on dry ice.

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    Enjoyed my bikepack adventure on my new SC Blur TRC with 650b wheels.
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    What's the proper term for the handlebar harness/bedroll thing? I'd like to mount one up on my Cross Check to hold my sleeping bag and misc stuff like cell phone for quick access. Can anyone recommend something?
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    Several vendors make handle bar bags/harnesses. Here's Revelate's offerings: https://www.revelatedesigns.com/inde...g&CategoryID=3. I have the Harness and prefer it over the Sweet Roll. The Harness allows you to use whatever size dry bag/compression sack you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoHeadsBrewing View Post
    What's the proper term for the handlebar harness/bedroll thing? I'd like to mount one up on my Cross Check to hold my sleeping bag and misc stuff like cell phone for quick access. Can anyone recommend something?


    I just call 'em bar bags.

    Mine are from Porcelain Rocket.

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    how do you like the 650 b with a dual suspension light touring. I have a specialized epic that should be compatible for a 650b conversion and I have been debating it.

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    I like the revelate sweet roll myself
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    Several vendors make handle bar bags/harnesses. Here's Revelate's offerings: https://www.revelatedesigns.com/inde...g&CategoryID=3. I have the Harness and prefer it over the Sweet Roll. The Harness allows you to use whatever size dry bag/compression sack you want.

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