Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 100 of 118
  1. #1
    Enjoyin' life....
    Reputation: Ocho's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    293

    Bikepacking hammocks

    I've noticed that hammocks are very popular with those that like to bikepack and those that like to stealth camp as part of their tours. Hopefully this part of the forum is a good place to ask my question.

    I notice that only the Hennessy models are reviewed, used or talked about. I'm just curious in wondering if anyone has used or uses a Clark Jungle hammock instead?
    http://www.junglehammock.com/models/...ican/index.php

    Weights are similar, size, etc. One is more tent like in entrance. I'm going to be purchasing a hammock and would appreciate any input. Thanks.
    Wally

  2. #2
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    28
    You might google ENO hammocks as well (Eagle Nest Outfitters) never used mine bike packing but did sleep on it all over Iraq. Its modular in design, a three part system; hammock, bug net, rain fly, so you can just bring what you need for your given conditions.

  3. #3
    mtbr member
    Reputation: x-ker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    330
    I use a Hennessy and enjoy it, although I didn't have any exposure to other hammock types and bought what I could find at the time.

    There's quite a few reviews and discussions about the various hammock types over at hammockforums.net, although it is very hard to find any information relative to bikepacking there (most of the peeps are backpackers, although they do have very similar concerns).

    Also, check out bikepacking.net to see what other bikepackers are using to sleep, although it is again a bit difficult because not many are on hammocks over there.

    Hope this helps.

  4. #4
    Enjoyin' life....
    Reputation: Ocho's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    293
    Thanks to you all for responding. I neglected to mention that I have researched bikepacking.net already and am active there. I have now checked out hammockforums.net and there is a decent amount of info but not all of it works for bicycling. Crazyguyonabike also has some info.
    I keep hearing about the weight and cost of the Hennessy being primary factors but the Clark is just as light (some models lighter) and cost is pretty much a wash. Both the Hennessy and the Clark have some nice attributes. Warbonnet, Speer and others seem less developed to me and what I'm reading or maybe they are just no frills, get the job done simplified. Its all good though. All your help has opened up some nice new reading for a cold day and helped broaden my options.
    In the end I might just go with a Tarptent, or maybe both. I've already got a nice light BA tent though and for some uses the hammock seems perfect. I've got time to figure it out.
    Wally

  5. #5
    mtbr member
    Reputation: trail_junkie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    127
    I'll never spend another night on the ground if I can help it. Takes some getting use to, but once you get it right it's worth it.

    The Warbonnet is a great hammock, don't write it off too quick. I love mine, and couldn't imagine calling it a "no frills" hammock. The foot box and shelf are pretty nice features and the fact it can be set up easily doesn't hurt either.
    "If we don't change the direction we are headed, we will end up where we are going." Chinese Proverb

  6. #6
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MudInMyEars's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    246
    I have both a Blackbird Warbonnet hammock and a Henry Shires Tarptent. I prefer the comfort of the Warbonnet, but if I am in a desert situation or where suitable trees are not available, I will take the HS tent. Total weight is slightly less with the hammock, but they are close enough.

    -mud
    _____________________________________________
    Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

  7. #7
    since 4/10/2009
    Reputation: Harold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    20,777
    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho View Post
    Thanks to you all for responding. I neglected to mention that I have researched bikepacking.net already and am active there. I have now checked out hammockforums.net and there is a decent amount of info but not all of it works for bicycling. Crazyguyonabike also has some info.
    I keep hearing about the weight and cost of the Hennessy being primary factors but the Clark is just as light (some models lighter) and cost is pretty much a wash. Both the Hennessy and the Clark have some nice attributes. Warbonnet, Speer and others seem less developed to me and what I'm reading or maybe they are just no frills, get the job done simplified. Its all good though. All your help has opened up some nice new reading for a cold day and helped broaden my options.
    In the end I might just go with a Tarptent, or maybe both. I've already got a nice light BA tent though and for some uses the hammock seems perfect. I've got time to figure it out.
    What makes you think other models are no-frills?

    I have hung with folks at hammockforums.net and have seen Hennesseys, Clarks, Speers, Warbonnets, Grand Trunks, home-sewn, and I hang in an ENO. None of them are "no frills" to be completely honest with you. "no frills" is sleeping in the dirt with a wool blanket a-la 1850.

    the great thing about hammocks is the ease of customization. You can change the entire suspension setup simple. I hang my ENO Doublenest on whoopie slings made from 7/64" Amsteel blue and tree straps. I also have an Amsteel structural ridgeline to ensure a perfect hang every time. I use a Warbonnet Traveler bug net when I need bug protection (the ENO bug net sucks), and I can sleep under any tarp I choose.

    Hennessey, Warbonnet, and others have integrated hammock-bugnet systems that reduce the amount of material. They're slick.

    There are gathered-end hammocks and bridge hammocks that offer a different style of lay. The only difference is personal preference.

    You only notice Hennesseys more because they're popular. If you spent more than an hour at hammockforums, you'd realize that your assessment of hammocks is incomplete.

  8. #8
    Wanderer
    Reputation: Toff's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    848
    My experience may be an anomaly but my ENO only lasted maybe 6 months until it ripped one day when I got in it and got dumped on the ground. Luckily just soft grass.

    I still need to get another hammock as I loved it.

  9. #9
    mtbr member
    Reputation: moofish's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    127
    I have found Tenth Wonder hammocks on ebay the look very well designed and I am thinking of getting one. The Hornet model Im looking at have 3 layers and have a bug net that is lifted up by poles. Has any one heard of them or used them.

  10. #10
    mtbr member
    Reputation: vikb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    10,453
    I've got a Hennessy hammock. It's useful for certain situations where trees are plentiful and you don't want to sleep on the ground, but they aren't particularly light or compact and given the need for insulation under the hammock in cool climates I think a light 1 man tent is going to give it a run for it's money in space/weight. If you can split a 2 man tent with a friend you'll definitely be ahead in those areas compared to 2 Hennessy hammocks.

    Ultralite Backpacker Asym Classic: Product Specs -- Hennessy Hammock

    I haven't tried any other brands of hammock.

    The Lazy Randonneur: Search results for hennessy

    For shelters I have a bivy sack, hammock and 2 pers ultralight tent. I grab whichever makes the most sense for as given trip. My last bikepacking trip I used the bivy.
    Safe riding,

    Vik
    www.vikapproved.com

  11. #11
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    I have a speer type hammock that I made myself, and I string a tarp over it. Works great. Much more comfortable than sleeping on the ground. Easy to set up if I just want to catch a nap in the hot part of the afternoon.

  12. #12
    Big B's Trails
    Reputation: ImaFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,724
    love my ENO double....
    carry the tarp and bugnet only if needed...
    hammockforums.net is a great site for info
    I dig dirt!

  13. #13
    since 4/10/2009
    Reputation: Harold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    20,777
    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I've got a Hennessy hammock. It's useful for certain situations where trees are plentiful and you don't want to sleep on the ground, but they aren't particularly light or compact and given the need for insulation under the hammock in cool climates I think a light 1 man tent is going to give it a run for it's money in space/weight. If you can split a 2 man tent with a friend you'll definitely be ahead in those areas compared to 2 Hennessy hammocks.

    Ultralite Backpacker Asym Classic: Product Specs -- Hennessy Hammock

    I haven't tried any other brands of hammock.

    The Lazy Randonneur: Search results for hennessy

    For shelters I have a bivy sack, hammock and 2 pers ultralight tent. I grab whichever makes the most sense for as given trip. My last bikepacking trip I used the bivy.
    I will take a small increase in overall weight to have a more comfortable night's sleep anytime. Hammocks for me are not about shedding weight. They are about getting quality sleep.

    A more efficient way to handle 2 hammocks would be to sleep under one tarp. i've seen several ways to do this, but the easiest would be to string up the hammocks side-by-side. I have seen them stacked before, also.

  14. #14
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Funrover's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    3,777
    I hav an ENO double, it's held up geat so far. Bike have not bikepacked with it yet. This summer I hope!

  15. #15
    mtbr member
    Reputation: vikb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    10,453
    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    I will take a small increase in overall weight to have a more comfortable night's sleep anytime. Hammocks for me are not about shedding weight. They are about getting quality sleep.
    I haven't found a night in my Hennessy hammock to be any better than a night in a tent. I sleep fine in either one.
    Safe riding,

    Vik
    www.vikapproved.com

  16. #16
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    If you can sleep decently on the ground, especially without a pad, then you can come up with a tent/tarp system that is lighter than a hammock. I doubt anyone is in the mood to argue that. For me, I just sleep a lot better in the hammock, and maybe the whole homemade hammock setup weighs 1 lb more than a really expensive tent/dirtsleeping setup.

  17. #17
    since 4/10/2009
    Reputation: Harold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    20,777
    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I haven't found a night in my Hennessy hammock to be any better than a night in a tent. I sleep fine in either one.
    then consider yourself lucky

  18. #18
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    153
    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    then consider yourself lucky
    Indeed, I've met people like that, but it is definitely the exception. I've heard regularly practicing yoga really helps one to sleep anywhere on anything quite comfortably. I just haven't gotten around to testing that yet.

    I guess hammocking in warm weather you don't have to deal with a pad either.

    I have a Nemo backpacking 2man tent as well for when a hammock isn't practical.

    Posted w/ Tapatalk via Android

  19. #19
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    13
    hammock ftw

  20. #20
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Anonymous's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    2,799
    I have a Hennessy Asym and love it. I have a tendency to sleep on my side and it's a heck of a lot more comfortable than any cot, or pad. 3 minutes to set up and take down. Best piece of camping gear I've bought in 10 years.
    Your fear of looking stupid is holding you back.

  21. #21
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Posts
    754
    Make sure you can sleep well in a hammock before spending a bunch of money on a fancy one. I have an ENO double I've tried to camp with on numerous occasions and for me, it's less comfortable than sleeping on bare ground. I've had my ENO for 5 years now and it's held up to my big frame (6'5", 250+). I use it almost daily in the summer on my porch.
    Just saying, hammocks seem like a great idea, but they're not for everyone...

  22. #22
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    484
    I just use a cheap fold-away nylon hammock I bought at wal-mart. Works like a charm. I can sleep all day in it.
    2018 Santa Cruz Tallboy
    Southern Maine

  23. #23
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    153
    Quote Originally Posted by Ironchefjon View Post
    I just use a cheap fold-away nylon hammock I bought at wal-mart. Works like a charm. I can sleep all day in it.
    We have way too many biting, flying things here to get away without netting.

    Posted w/ Tapatalk via Android

  24. #24
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    A mosquito bar (net) is inexpensive, and you can spray the body of the hammock with a permethrin solution. I forget the commercial brand name of that stuff right now. But, yeah, bugs are a hassle, and prolly moreso with a hammock.

  25. #25
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    484
    Quote Originally Posted by ridemtn View Post
    We have way too many biting, flying things here to get away without netting.

    Posted w/ Tapatalk via Android
    Oh, believe me, we have enough skeeters, black flies and horse flies to go around here in Maine. I usually I put on a healthy coating of bug spray and wrap the hammock around me. Buying a mosquito net never crossed my mind, but that's a good idea. I usually always keep a rip-roaring fire going as well, and that seems to help with the bugs.
    2018 Santa Cruz Tallboy
    Southern Maine

  26. #26
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Mike Brown's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    3,162
    mosquitohammock.com

    Best non-biking kit I own. On the CT, it was completely covered with hundreds of mosquitos trying to get me and none did. I was happy and comfortable.

  27. #27
    Wanderer
    Reputation: Toff's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    848
    Quote Originally Posted by Toff View Post
    My experience may be an anomaly but my ENO only lasted maybe 6 months until it ripped one day when I got in it and got dumped on the ground. Luckily just soft grass.

    I still need to get another hammock as I loved it.
    Finally got around to sending my ENO in and they warrantied it. I got a new one coming in!

  28. #28
    since 4/10/2009
    Reputation: Harold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    20,777
    Quote Originally Posted by Toff View Post
    Finally got around to sending my ENO in and they warrantied it. I got a new one coming in!
    good to hear. I haven't had any trouble with mine. I HAVE had tree straps pull apart in the past and send me to the ground, but never with the hammock.

    and I dearly love my Amsteel whoopie slings

  29. #29
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    426
    I switch between a hammock/underquilt/tarp set up and just a bivy/tarp set up. Just depends on the mood I guess...


    or



    That was a crazy windy night.

  30. #30
    mtbr member
    Reputation: RiderInTraining's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    347
    Quote Originally Posted by trail_junkie View Post
    I'll never spend another night on the ground if I can help it. Takes some getting use to, but once you get it right it's worth it.

    The Warbonnet is a great hammock, don't write it off too quick. I love mine, and couldn't imagine calling it a "no frills" hammock. The foot box and shelf are pretty nice features and the fact it can be set up easily doesn't hurt either.
    +1 for the Warbonnet
    I'm Confused . . . Wait a Minute, No I'm Not . . .

  31. #31
    mtbr member
    Reputation: YukonLT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    49
    I have the Warbonnet Blackbird DL 1.1, and just got a new Dangerbird from Randy at DreamHammock.com. Both are awesome hammocks, and nice and light. I have an ENO doublenest that I take sometimes to lounge in on day rides, or one of the many hammocks I have made myself.
    Clipless sucks...

  32. #32
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    227
    Anyone tried a Byer? I ran into this one at REI the other day. I was about to pop for a hennessy exped asym zip but saw that this is much cheaper and decided to hold off...
    Anyone?
    Byer Moskito Traveller Hammock at REI.com

  33. #33
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    have not used the byer, but it looks promising, and the price is right.

  34. #34
    mtbr member
    Reputation: YukonLT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    49
    Not a fan of the Byer myself. I have tried every company, and owned 90% of them. IMO, there is no better hammock than the Waronnet Blackbird right now. Brandon (Warbonnet owner) is a real cool guy too...
    Clipless sucks...

  35. #35
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    9
    I like the byer mosquito hammock. I've had it for about 4 years now, and never had a problem with it. I'm a big guy at 6'2" @ 210 lbs and i've been very comfortable. However, I do own an eno doublenest deluxe and its way more comfortable, but doesn't have a bug net.

  36. #36
    since 4/10/2009
    Reputation: Harold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    20,777
    Quote Originally Posted by alpka View Post
    Anyone tried a Byer? I ran into this one at REI the other day. I was about to pop for a hennessy exped asym zip but saw that this is much cheaper and decided to hold off...
    Anyone?
    Byer Moskito Traveller Hammock at REI.com
    I have one. It's okay. Because it's so light, it's not the most durable option out there.

    Also, the netting only covers the top. Your underside is unprotected. Expect many bugbites on your backside in the morning.

    The ENO is SUPPOSED to not have a bug net, so you can use a separate one when you want one. I use a Warbonnet Traveler bug net, as I mentioned before. I like this system since the bug net protects my underside, also.

    I love my cotton Byer Amazonas for the yard, though.

  37. #37
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    Also, the netting only covers the top. Your underside is unprotected. Expect many bugbites on your backside in the morning.
    little bit of this ought to do the trick, if you are okay with chemicals.
    Sawyer Permethrin Pump Spray - 24 oz. at REI.com

  38. #38
    since 4/10/2009
    Reputation: Harold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    20,777
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    little bit of this ought to do the trick, if you are okay with chemicals.
    Sawyer Permethrin Pump Spray - 24 oz. at REI.com
    I dunno what planet you come from but IME permethrin is only any good for ticks. Useless for flying insects because it is a contact insecticide, not a repellent. Not enough contact time for skeeters

  39. #39
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    309
    As mentioned previously the ENO hammocks are fantastic. I have ENO's double which is very comfortable for one person. I don't have any of the ENO accessories like the rain tarp or bug net, I sourced those separately to save money. The quality of the hammock is really great, I don't know how others in the industry could surpass the quality, it seems like they have reached the pinnacle of what a hammock can be.

  40. #40
    R.I.P. Pugsley.
    Reputation: Rabies010's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    1,706
    I am completely new to hammocks and think i want to give it a try.
    Has anybody got any experiences with these : DD Hammocks - Camping & Travel Hammocks & tarps, Jungle Hammocks ?
    They have a bugnet and are nicely priced and since i will be using it maybe 3 times a year i thought these could be interesting.

  41. #41
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    I dunno what planet you come from but IME permethrin is only any good for ticks. Useless for flying insects because it is a contact insecticide, not a repellent. Not enough contact time for skeeters
    Same planet, I think.
    "This insect-killing repellent for your clothing is effective against ticks, chiggers, mites and mosquitoes for up to six weeks."
    Word on the streets is that they land on it and take off again right away, rather than sticking around and biting. But it sounds like your experience is otherwise.
    Mosquito Net Permethrin (Camping & Outdoor Equipment / Mosquito nets, netting and repellents / Insect Netting BedNets)

  42. #42
    mtbr member
    Reputation: YukonLT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    49
    Don't bother with the chemicals, all you need is a double layer hammock...


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Clipless sucks...

  43. #43
    R.I.P. Pugsley.
    Reputation: Rabies010's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    1,706
    Thank's for the link.
    I think i am going to try one of these in the near future : Proforce Jungle Hammock -- Barre Army/Navy Store Online Store
    It's big (i'm 6'5) and can hold 400pounds (i'm260)
    And the price is right as well.
    Since it will be my first go at this, i don't want to spend to much.

  44. #44
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    For any netting-equipped hammock, the bug netting will cut down on air circulation a lot more than you might expect. Any time there are not bugs, you can flip the hammock over to allow more airflow. This may require modifying the netting support lines so that you can detach and reattach them.

  45. #45
    R.I.P. Pugsley.
    Reputation: Rabies010's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    1,706
    How much restriction is there compared to a small 1 person tent ?

  46. #46
    mtbr member
    Reputation: YukonLT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    49
    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    How much restriction is there compared to a small 1 person tent ?
    Depends on what you mean by restriction. When it comes to finding places to camp, there is MUCH less restriction. You will find so many places that you could never put a tent, and you will get a better nights rest. As far as space, well, you are enclosed in a hammock. You can move around and all that, but it will be different than sitting on the ground. This is where your tarp will come into play. If you use a tarp with built in "doors" on the end, like a Warbonnet Superfly or a HammockGear Cuben four season, you have plenty of room to move around underneath with complete privacy. One thing you will love is waking up in the morning and being able to just swing your legs out and automatically be sitting in a chair. Cook your breakfast and get ready for the day! Hammock camping is the best


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Clipless sucks...

  47. #47
    R.I.P. Pugsley.
    Reputation: Rabies010's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    1,706
    Thank's for the answer, but i was actually refering to the previous post on air circulation.

    Your info is apreciated, but i already knew most of it though.

  48. #48
    mtbr member
    Reputation: YukonLT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    49
    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    Thank's for the answer, but i was actually refering to the previous post on air circulation.

    Your info is apreciated, but i already knew most of it though.
    Ah well in that case, there would be different variables involved, same with a tent. How close you have your tarp set to the ground, whether you set the tarp up in "porch mode", whether you even bother to use the tarp...etc etc. you have a lot more options with tarp set up than with a fixed rain fly of a tent. Some tents have vents on the ends to help with airflow, some don't.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Clipless sucks...

  49. #49
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    Air circulation in a hammock with a bug net would be better than in a one-man tent. Plus, in warm weather, you would sleep without a pad and would have air underneath you cooling you off. It makes a big difference down here when you are trying to sleep with an overnight low around 80 degrees.

  50. #50
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    227
    Is there anyway to sit in a Hennessy Expid Asym classic as a normal hammock?

  51. #51
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    227
    Nevermind, I just found a vid of Tom hennessy himself demonstrating the Hennessy "kitchen"

  52. #52
    mtbr member
    Reputation: YukonLT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    49
    I'm building a custom ultralight hammock right now for a guy that's doing the AT in 2013, looking really good. Based on the Warbonnet design but lightening it up for him in certain areas. Should be really sweet...
    Clipless sucks...

  53. #53
    since 4/10/2009
    Reputation: Harold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    20,777
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    Same planet, I think.
    "This insect-killing repellent for your clothing is effective against ticks, chiggers, mites and mosquitoes for up to six weeks."
    Word on the streets is that they land on it and take off again right away, rather than sticking around and biting. But it sounds like your experience is otherwise.
    Mosquito Net Permethrin (Camping & Outdoor Equipment / Mosquito nets, netting and repellents / Insect Netting BedNets)

    Yes, my experience is different. I use permethrin extensively on my clothing for ticks. It can be worthwhile to coat some gear with it to eliminate the hitchhikers that wind up biting you in the car when you're driving home (been there, done that).

    But not once has Permethrin alone been of any use at all to me for mosquitoes. Some of them might get up and fly away, but it's not enough of a deterrent for quite a few of them, and you will still be bitten. It MIGHT kill most of the ones that land on you, but not until after you've been bitten.

    I have had better luck with a number of other repellents for mosquitoes, but using them on gear has been met with mixed results. I haven't encountered too many repellent sprays that are worth anything for more than a couple hours. That won't get you a whole night's undisturbed rest without bites.

    A physical barrier is really the only way to go. A double layer hammock with an integrated bug net will do the job. So will a hammock with a separate bug net that encompasses the whole hammock (like the ENO bugnet (even though it's heavy) and the Warbonnet Traveler bugnet - it's relatively easy to make one of these for yourself, too).

    The Byer moskito hammock won't be enough to stop bites through the bottom. if you use one, you'll have to have something underneath you like a sleeping pad even when it's hot to stave off the bites.

    As for circulation, it's an interesting thing. I used my hammock in Costa Rica in March and I had a nice hanging spot on a hill overlooking the Pacific in the distance. It got pretty durned windy at times. The bugnet blocked an awful lot of the heavy wind. But even with a light breeze, I could feel air circulation around me. The conductive heat loss through the bottom of the hammock is a huge advantage on hot nights, but it requires special attention with an underquilt or pad when it's cool. There are folks who hammock even in the dead of winter, and a huge tarp can really help with that. You can pitch the tarp like an a-frame tent with the edges on the ground, and with the right tarp cut, you can even close off the open ends to block even the light breezes.

  54. #54
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    297
    I made my own for half the price. Got a lot of info from hammockforums. The bug net zips almost completely off and goes in a stuff sack at the foot when not needed.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rckdaniel/6096845873/" title="IMG_1317 by rckdaniel, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6012/6096845873_c042d88e1c.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="IMG_1317"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rckdaniel/6097396552/" title="IMG_1323 by rckdaniel, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6065/6097396552_099422140b.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="IMG_1323"></a>

  55. #55
    'Calm Down'
    Reputation: GrumpyOne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    847
    Quote Originally Posted by YukonLT View Post
    You will find so many places that you could never put a tent, and you will get a better nights rest.
    I had never thought about the flexibility of where you can put a hammock until I started looking at photos at hammockforums.net of people hanging over water, rocks, etc.
    In the photo below, there were 30+ Boy Scouts in a field 50ft behind me when I took the photo. There would have been no way for them to tent in the woods due to the lack of clear flat ground. And they roasted all night while I was comfy and cool with just a slight breeze.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiderInTraining View Post
    +1 for the Warbonnet
    +2 - I'm digging my Warbonnet Blackbird setup. I started down the hammock road due to a backpacking trip. But around here and for me, I can't think of a better setup for bikepacking.

    jw
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Bikepacking hammocks-bscampout_june2012.jpg  

    Last edited by GrumpyOne; 06-26-2012 at 01:07 PM.
    -

    "And single-speeding 29ers are mountain biking's equivalent of Scientologists..." - Captain Dondo

  56. #56
    Dudette
    Reputation: petey15's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    1,431
    Great thread! I hope to start getting into bikepacking in the next year or so (I've been drooling over the Salsa Mukluk and like the idea of using it for this purpose and winter riding). I've been particularly interested in hammocks, but wasn't sure how their banana shape would agree with my back. I saw a great video review of this on Backpacker.com. Has anyone else had any experience with this product?
    Bear Mountain Bridge Hammock – Deluxe | Jacksrbetter

  57. #57
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    will it actually lay flat with a person in it? interesting design. i don't trust it.

    my back feels better after a night in a hammock than after a night on the ground. do you live around here? i'll let you borrow one.

  58. #58
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Mojoe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    400
    Love my Blackbird Warbonnet and Grand Trunk Ultrlight!!!!

  59. #59
    Flow like water
    Reputation: DavyRay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    711
    Quote Originally Posted by petey15 View Post
    Great thread! I hope to start getting into bikepacking in the next year or so (I've been drooling over the Salsa Mukluk and like the idea of using it for this purpose and winter riding). I've been particularly interested in hammocks, but wasn't sure how their banana shape would agree with my back. I saw a great video review of this on Backpacker.com. Has anyone else had any experience with this product?
    Bear Mountain Bridge Hammock – Deluxe | Jacksrbetter
    I have not tried the bear mountain bridge. I do have a homemade bridge hammock, which works well. All I can tell you is that the jacksrbetter guys are quite serious, do good design, and make good products.

  60. #60
    Slothful dirt hippie
    Reputation: verslowrdr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    2,811
    Seems like every additional year I spend on this dirt ball, someone else I know succumbs to back injury. It was my turn in 2005 when my daughter was (reluctantly) born. I've now got some SI disk and nerve damage that causes sciatia that comes and goes. I used to be able to sleep anywhere on minimal padding, but these days even a BA air pad on the ground can result in very little (if any) sleep and severe pain the next morning.

    Experiments so far indicate my back is waaay better after a night in the hammock than in my own bed. This is a HUGE breakthrough, as I'd thought that my days of camping might be terminated. I have a Grand Trunk for experiments, on the back porch, etc but a few weeks ago got a Blackbird.

    I'm all for simple and light, but biking hard + getting no sleep + tying to get screaming body parts to function before I've even had coffee is a fekking torture. Since my PTO is measured down to 2 decimal points I'm not gonna waste it on that action. I'll gratefully carry the hammock and all its bits.
    "...Some local fiend had built it with his own three hands..."

  61. #61
    mtbr member
    Reputation: RiderInTraining's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    347
    Quote Originally Posted by petey15 View Post
    ... I've been particularly interested in hammocks, but wasn't sure how their banana shape would agree with my back. I saw a great video review of this on Backpacker.com. Has anyone else had any experience with this product?
    Bear Mountain Bridge Hammock – Deluxe | Jacksrbetter
    I can't comment on the Bear Mountain Bridge really, but it seems overkill. I use the Blackbird Warbonnet for years and even though you're not laying completely level, I sleep better in it then anywhere else. That includes my own bed as well. If I sleep to long in my bed my lower back hurts in the morning, not so in my hammock. I would actually hang one in my bed room if it wasn't for my wife.
    I'm Confused . . . Wait a Minute, No I'm Not . . .

  62. #62
    Dudette
    Reputation: petey15's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    1,431
    Wow - lots of great information - thanks! Here in the east, our abundance of trees shouldn't make a place to hang one a problem. Does anyone have experience with hammocks in very windy conditions? Has anyone ever staked them to the ground to help stabilize them? It seems that most prefer the more traditionally shaped hammocks to those like the Lawson that have more flat bottoms (though they do seem very tippy).

  63. #63
    Slothful dirt hippie
    Reputation: verslowrdr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    2,811
    The Blackbird has stake-outs to keep it from swinging around if you choose to deploy them. Having a little bit of swing is oddly mesmerizing though.

    I suspect the shape of the bottom is more dependent on how you've rigged it up and how diagonally you're lying.
    "...Some local fiend had built it with his own three hands..."

  64. #64
    ColoradoCoolBreeze
    Reputation: SingleTrackLovr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    679
    I love combining two hobbies like hammock camping and bikepacking.

    Lunchtime bikeride, lunch, and nap.



    Overnite


    04 Azonic Saber
    08 Yeti AS-x
    12 Rocky Mtn 29er Alt 970



  65. #65
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    Quote Originally Posted by petey15 View Post
    Wow - lots of great information - thanks! Here in the east, our abundance of trees shouldn't make a place to hang one a problem. It seems that most prefer the more traditionally shaped hammocks to those like the Lawson that have more flat bottoms (though they do seem very tippy).
    If you look at SingleTrackLovr's "overnight" photo, you can see that the sides are pretty high. Mine has a similar shape. Rolling out of mine would require a serious effort, and isn't a problem when you move around at night or when you get in or out. Would you agree, STL? I have had all kind of kids and uncoordinated grownups in and out of mine, and have never had someone get dumped on the ground.

    I have never known anyone who had one of those suspension bridge hammocks.

    And you are right about it being easy to find a spot to hang. You can hang on all kinds of sideslopes and rocky places where a tent would be miserable. Plus, you don't squish all the vegetation, so if you like the LNT stuff, hammocks are good at that.

  66. #66
    Slothful dirt hippie
    Reputation: verslowrdr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    2,811
    FWIW the GT Ultralight is really narrow, and the one time I slept overnight in it I just threw in the BA square pad + Marmot Helium sleeping bag. My back loved it but the whole ginormous pile of bag & pad threatened to ooze out over the side/end, lol. I probably could have mitigated this effect somewhat by raising the foot end more, but realistically a kit that bulky probably needs more than 54" wide.

    I threw the exact same lashup into a borrowed ENO doublenest and had leftover fabric floating around at 74" wide. No escape issues however.

    The Blackbird is 65" wide and from what I've seen and heard it should be a happy medium. A bug net is mandatory for most of our mountain travels anyway.
    "...Some local fiend had built it with his own three hands..."

  67. #67
    Dudette
    Reputation: petey15's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    1,431
    This is so cool! I hadn't heard of camping hammocks before checking out this forum. They seem to have so many more benefits to regular tent camping. Not that I have to worry about this much in the NE, but what about when camping in bear or mountain lion territory? Does anyone feel more secure in their hammock? Obviously you undergo the same precautions you would whenever you camp. I think I read somewhere about it being the perfect "bear toy", LOL, something to bat at between the trees...

  68. #68
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    people have suggested that a hammock looks like a giant burrito to a bear.

    i expect that a tent might be microscopically safer than a hammock in bear country.

  69. #69
    Dudette
    Reputation: petey15's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    1,431
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    people have suggested that a hammock looks like a giant burrito to a bear.

    i expect that a tent might be microscopically safer than a hammock in bear country.

    I had a friend suggest to me today that a hammock is a lot more ergonomically correct for the animals that wish to dine by putting you at mouth level

  70. #70
    Slothful dirt hippie
    Reputation: verslowrdr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    2,811
    Quote Originally Posted by petey15 View Post
    I had a friend suggest to me today that a hammock is a lot more ergonomically correct for the animals that wish to dine by putting you at mouth level
    Have you pointed out to him that carnivores typically eat their meal off the ground?!?

    Here in central Wa we have a LOT of cats and they tend to be fairly densely populated due to the sheer quantity of game they have available, and I usually run across cat tracks on my lunch hour rides a few times a year on the ridge behind town. A few years ago I tangled up with a cougar while running my dog team at night, which got a little 'invigorating' but was resolved with a lot of cussing and rock-chucking. Washington state allows cougar hunting and biologists in the region have used hounds to tree quite a few for studies (tree-tanq-drop-record-collar). IMO this probably mitigates human/cat conflicts to at least some degree and allows the overall population to thrive, but that's another topic....

    Our prolific black bears take town-trolling a step further and dine on apples, prunes, pears, etc. right from people's yards, usually at night. If you see one in daylight it's always just a very large hairy butt running away. They get hunted as well and tend to stay out of trouble on their own.

    I am NOT worried about these critters. It's people that concerns me, hence my drive to get the heck away from them.

    And to answer the eternal question... yes, the pope is catholic.
    "...Some local fiend had built it with his own three hands..."

  71. #71
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    284
    I love hammock camping but the dirty little secret that hammockers won't tell you about from the outset is bottom insulation. Sure, you technically "can" use an pad and many have, with varying degrees of sucess, but the reality is at somepoint you're going too realize you need/want an underquilt. Here's the bummer, they start at around $175 for a good down model. Keep that in mind before you jump into it. Also, when you get down to it, they're heavier than their ground dwelling counterparts. So I suggest that you try and sleep a few nights in a cheap, single layer hammock before you jump all the way into it.

    That being said, here's my DIY hammock setup. I had a Hennessy Hammock but didn't like it. My recommendation would be a Warbonnet Blackbird or a Switchback.




  72. #72
    Flow like water
    Reputation: DavyRay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    711
    I have to agree with most of what thesargent says.

    My Warbonnet Yeti underquilt is my good buddy in any temperature below 60 degrees F. You can use a sleeping bag as a top quilt, but the under-quilt is not very negotiable if you are going to be comfortable.

    I disagree slightly about weight. With lightweight suspension and down gear, a complete cold-weather hammock rig is about the same as an ultralight ground-dwelling tarptent.

    Oh, and make sure you add the high-power flashlight to the cost. The astute hammock camper always surveys the upper canopy to check for dead limbs.

  73. #73
    Unhinged Aussie on a 29er
    Reputation: hunter006's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    452
    These are both more generic hammock questions, but there's a distinct lack of in-store places selling hammocks so I haven't had a chance to find out for myself.

    I find that my feet get very, very cold if I have them too elevated above my heart. I'm 5'11.5" tall but 210 lbs; given the sag factor of hammocks I am a little cautious on looking in to hammocks lest I end up with a comfortable sleep but frozen feet. Thoughts/comments/anyone else have this issue?

    Second question related to this is regarding what DavyRay and thesergeant say, the underquilt is there to provide under-body thermal insulation. Most emergency blankets (the reflective kind) pack down really light and small, but reflect body heat back. Could something like the heavy duty Sol Emergency blanket be a suitable alternative?

  74. #74
    Slothful dirt hippie
    Reputation: verslowrdr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    2,811
    Quote Originally Posted by hunter006 View Post
    ...Second question related to this is regarding what DavyRay and thesergeant say, the underquilt is there to provide under-body thermal insulation. Most emergency blankets (the reflective kind) pack down really light and small, but reflect body heat back. Could something like the heavy duty Sol Emergency blanket be a suitable alternative?
    It can be part of a solution, but isn't nearly enough insulation by itself.

    I've been trading ideas on line with a local backpacker who like me discovered his back preferred the hammock so much that he started with some experiments to get it to work. It's a handy relationship since he's got more money for gear and time to fiddle with it, I just take what he's learned and go from there, lol. Anyway, he has a downmat 7 and added an underquilt this summer, and unlike a lot of other folks he went back to the downmat- less fiddle, less bulk, and can throw it on the ground if he has to. BUT, he modded his Blackbird with a pocket in the footbox to shove the mat into so it stays in place.

    This fall I tore apart a SOL thermal bivy, turned one side upside down so the tapered foot is next to a head end, and duct taped it together to make a big rectangle blanket. I also used fabric repair tape to make some loops on the edge of my BA pad. Next spring I'll be doing some experiments with this lashup in multiple configurations, the idea being that the thermal bivy blanket + maybe some extra clothing that's always along can provide some shoulder insulation/windblock if needed. And if I get caught out in our vast sagebrush 'desert' without suitable trees, I can throw the blanket down under the pad as a ground sheet.
    "...Some local fiend had built it with his own three hands..."

  75. #75
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    I've used a hammock with a closed cell pad as my bottom insulation down to about 30 degrees without taking any heroic measures, and I'm not some kind of cold weather tough guiy, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by hunter006 View Post
    I find that my feet get very, very cold if I have them too elevated above my heart. I'm 5'11.5" tall but 210 lbs; given the sag factor of hammocks I am a little cautious on looking in to hammocks lest I end up with a comfortable sleep but frozen feet. Thoughts/comments/anyone else have this issue?
    You will probably want some booties or loose very fluffy socks of some kind. A guy I know who has poor circulation admits that booties are a must for him.

    And, yeah, in a race to super-ultralight, hammocks probably lose. I have seen pics of an ultralight rig that was a silnylon poncho rigged to enclose 3 sides of a tyvek groundcloth, using a narrow quilt as cover, and no pad to sleep on. So, yeah, if you can sleep like that, then, yeah, you will beat a hammock. OTOH, if you are looking for a little more comfort and can afford a underquilt and bag, you'll be competitive with lightweight groundsleepers pretty quickly.

  76. #76
    Syb
    Syb is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    9
    Quote Originally Posted by thesergeant View Post
    I love hammock camping but the dirty little secret that hammockers won't tell you about from the outset is bottom insulation. Sure, you technically "can" use an pad and many have, with varying degrees of sucess, but the reality is at somepoint you're going too realize you need/want an underquilt. Here's the bummer, they start at around $175 for a good down model. Keep that in mind before you jump into it.
    Our secret is out and yes, most of the population requires some sort of under insulation. My first underquilt was $100 and I combined that with my already-purchased sleeping bag and that got me down to 30 degrees. Full-length underquilts will cost you more money but just like our bikes, it's all personal preference. All this said, thesergeant brings up great points to keep in mind when/if you jump in to a hammock. And thesergeant, I really like that DIY Hennessy you made. I'm jealous of those thread-injecting skills.

    Me personally? **I pee on the ground, I don't sleep on it

    Quote Originally Posted by thesergeant View Post
    Also, when you get down to it, they're heavier than their ground dwelling counterparts. So I suggest that you try and sleep a few nights in a cheap, single layer hammock before you jump all the way into it.
    Hammock rigs can be lighter than a comparable tent in my experience but where I find you really save is the bulk. My hammock is 9 ounces, tarp is 13, underquilt is 24 ounces and top quilt 22. 4.25 pounds. This all fits nicely in my 2300 TNF bag with room to spare as the down compresses at the bottom of my pack and I throw heavier things on top. My tent is just under that weight but I'm still sleeping on the ground and need to find a way to fit it all in my pack. Yes, there are lighter/different tent setups out there but this is what I happen to have. See ** above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    I've used a hammock with a closed cell pad as my bottom insulation down to about 30 degrees without taking any heroic measures, and I'm not some kind of cold weather tough guiy, either.

    You will probably want some booties or loose very fluffy socks of some kind. A guy I know who has poor circulation admits that booties are a must for him.

    And, yeah, in a race to super-ultralight, hammocks probably lose. I have seen pics of an ultralight rig that was a silnylon poncho rigged to enclose 3 sides of a tyvek groundcloth, using a narrow quilt as cover, and no pad to sleep on. So, yeah, if you can sleep like that, then, yeah, you will beat a hammock. OTOH, if you are looking for a little more comfort and can afford a underquilt and bag, you'll be competitive with lightweight groundsleepers pretty quickly.
    Very well said. I once saw a guy who carried two 6" X 6" pads, 1 for his shoulder and one for his hip. That, combined with his ground cloth and a sleeping bag and very small bivy was his sleeping/shelter rig. Was it light? Absolutely. Was it comfortable? Prolly not.

    Check out hammockforums.net and you'll get more information than you can imagine about all things hammock.
    Syb
    Enjoy the ride

  77. #77
    ColoradoCoolBreeze
    Reputation: SingleTrackLovr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    679
    I just added a 3rd hammock to my camping kit.
    This one is for winter and has a breathable top cover to block wind.
    Tarp and quilts are still required to stay dry and warm.

    It was custom built to my spec's. Made in the USA from here:
    Dream Hammock


    04 Azonic Saber
    08 Yeti AS-x
    12 Rocky Mtn 29er Alt 970



  78. #78
    Slothful dirt hippie
    Reputation: verslowrdr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    2,811
    Quote Originally Posted by SingleTrackLovr View Post
    I just added a 3rd hammock to my camping kit.
    This one is for winter and has a breathable top cover to block wind.
    Tarp and quilts are still required to stay dry and warm.

    It was custom built to my spec's. Made in the USA from here:
    Dream Hammock
    One of Randy's Dangerbirds! I ordered tree straps, whoopies, and adjustable ridgeline from him. REALLY nice guy doing some very interesting things. His hammock sock is intriguing since we deal with a lot of wind.

    The zip-on Dangerbird cover is really clever. What did you have customized?
    "...Some local fiend had built it with his own three hands..."

  79. #79
    Syb
    Syb is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    9
    Quote Originally Posted by SingleTrackLovr View Post
    I just added a 3rd hammock to my camping kit.
    This one is for winter and has a breathable top cover to block wind.
    Tarp and quilts are still required to stay dry and warm.

    It was custom built to my spec's. Made in the USA from here:
    Dream Hammock
    Schweet!
    Syb
    Enjoy the ride

  80. #80
    ColoradoCoolBreeze
    Reputation: SingleTrackLovr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    679
    Quote Originally Posted by verslowrdr View Post
    One of Randy's Dangerbirds! I ordered tree straps, whoopies, and adjustable ridgeline from him. REALLY nice guy doing some very interesting things. His hammock sock is intriguing since we deal with a lot of wind.

    The zip-on Dangerbird cover is really clever. What did you have customized?
    I started with his netted RomingGnome 11'x60" (1.8 tafata) and had him put a 1.0 ripstop cover vs netting on it. So no net this is a winter hammock.
    I had a second zipper pull added to one side so I could set a condensation vent at the top and be able to enter/exit on seperate zipper pulls.
    Randy names it The WinterGnome


    04 Azonic Saber
    08 Yeti AS-x
    12 Rocky Mtn 29er Alt 970



  81. #81
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    8
    These are pretty cool. I might have to try and look into getting one. About how much?

  82. #82
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    $20 tops if you make your own.

  83. #83
    ColoradoCoolBreeze
    Reputation: SingleTrackLovr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    679
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    $20 tops if you make your own.
    2X
    If you're a DIY guys making your hammock camping kit can be a blast and for little money.

    Check out this post for a great DIY gathered end hammock.

    Instruction: Gathered End Hammock - Hammock Forums - Elevate Your Perspective

    The hammock pictures I posted above with the cover is a gathered end.

    04 Azonic Saber
    08 Yeti AS-x
    12 Rocky Mtn 29er Alt 970



  84. #84
    ColoradoCoolBreeze
    Reputation: SingleTrackLovr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    679
    deteted dup post sorry site is acting weird
    I keep getting 501 gateway time outs but then I see the post went thru.

    Bill from Houston I sent you a PM but got the same 501 error. Afraid to send it again
    don't want to spam your inbox.
    Last edited by SingleTrackLovr; 12-13-2012 at 08:00 AM.

    04 Azonic Saber
    08 Yeti AS-x
    12 Rocky Mtn 29er Alt 970



  85. #85
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    i got it, thank you.

    need to watch that video on how to make the hammock later. i use a design with no sewing at all and want to see how similar the geometry is.

  86. #86
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    18
    I use the ENO DoubleNest System. It does great for bikepacking, car camping and just general laziness around the house. I usually keep the hammock in the car and have used it at a friends house when he ran out of couch space. I know everybody loves to save a few ounces on an exetended tour, but I always prefer gear that fits into the rest of my life also.

  87. #87
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    Quote Originally Posted by SingleTrackLovr View Post
    2X
    If you're a DIY guys making your hammock camping kit can be a blast and for little money.

    Check out this post for a great DIY gathered end hammock.

    Instruction: Gathered End Hammock - Hammock Forums - Elevate Your Perspective

    The hammock pictures I posted above with the cover is a gathered end.
    The way I fold my hammock body material, I make the material on the sides a couple of inches shorter than the material at the centerline. For yours, do you do anything like that? Or is your material a big rectangle before you sew the sleeve in the end?

  88. #88
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    26
    I'm planning to purchase DD Frontline Hammock from DDHammocks. Any thoughts on that? All I've heard have been praise. Price is decent 67 euros / 89 USD delivered to Finland.

    Next summer it's going to be some serious bikepacking-time!! I'm also planning to craft DIY framebag and seatbag for my Salsa Spearfish.

    Any thoughts on DIY-tarps?? DDHammock has some, but 48 euros / 64 USD for a tarp seems quite expensive for me..

  89. #89
    Slothful dirt hippie
    Reputation: verslowrdr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    2,811
    $64 for a lightweight tarp is CHEAP! The least expensive silnylon I've been able to find was on Campmor, and I'd want at least 10' longways.

    Someone warned me about silnylon absorbing water though so I've held off on going that route. For right now I'm just trying a chunk of tyvek I bought off ebay... if I really get into this I might break down and get a cuben fiber tarp next year, but it's a hella chunk of change.
    "...Some local fiend had built it with his own three hands..."

  90. #90
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    26
    Well, whats lightweight for a tarp? I really have no clue.
    DDHammock tarp should weight about 720 grams. Thats 3 m x 3m (9 ft x 9 ft).

    It says on their website: "The fabric is PU (3,000mm) coated polyester. Seams are taped."

    The DD Frontline Hammock is 820 gr + tarp 720 gr + webbing 230 gr = ~1770 grams.

  91. #91
    ColoradoCoolBreeze
    Reputation: SingleTrackLovr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    679
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    The way I fold my hammock body material, I make the material on the sides a couple of inches shorter than the material at the centerline. For yours, do you do anything like that? Or is your material a big rectangle before you sew the sleeve in the end?
    Hi Bill, I am banded from the family thread injector after attempting to sew two tree straps and broke the machine. It cost me 125 bucks to get the machine fixed.
    So i now have to rely on the mom and pop shops around the U.S. to do my sewing.

    More to your question. I believe the hammocks I have are cut to a rectangle 11'x60" and a channel is sewn in the ends for the rope (whoopie) to tree straps.

    Does your cutting of the corners help with a flatter lay when lying diagonal?

    04 Azonic Saber
    08 Yeti AS-x
    12 Rocky Mtn 29er Alt 970



  92. #92
    ColoradoCoolBreeze
    Reputation: SingleTrackLovr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    679
    Quote Originally Posted by kaakku View Post
    I'm planning to purchase DD Frontline Hammock from DDHammocks. Any thoughts on that? All I've heard have been praise. Price is decent 67 euros / 89 USD delivered to Finland.

    Next summer it's going to be some serious bikepacking-time!! I'm also planning to craft DIY framebag and seatbag for my Salsa Spearfish.

    Any thoughts on DIY-tarps?? DDHammock has some, but 48 euros / 64 USD for a tarp seems quite expensive for me..
    I've never heard of anything negative on DD hammocks. If you'd like to do a little reading on DD's give this link a look.
    Does this hammock have a bug net? Do you need one for where you ride?

    DD Hammocks - Hammock Forums - Elevate Your Perspective
    Last edited by SingleTrackLovr; 12-21-2012 at 09:24 AM.

    04 Azonic Saber
    08 Yeti AS-x
    12 Rocky Mtn 29er Alt 970



  93. #93
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    Quote Originally Posted by SingleTrackLovr View Post
    More to your question. I believe the hammocks I have are cut to a rectangle 11'x60" and a channel is sewn in the ends for the rope (whoopie) to tree straps.

    Does your cutting of the corners help with a flatter lay when lying diagonal?
    Hmm, okay. I have never made one without shortening the sides, so I can't really comment on the flatness question. I lie right down the middle, as far as I know. Shortening the sides might make anything else impossible.

  94. #94
    ColoradoCoolBreeze
    Reputation: SingleTrackLovr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    679
    Quote Originally Posted by verslowrdr View Post
    $64 for a lightweight tarp is CHEAP! The least expensive silnylon I've been able to find was on Campmor, and I'd want at least 10' longways.

    Someone warned me about silnylon absorbing water though so I've held off on going that route. For right now I'm just trying a chunk of tyvek I bought off ebay... if I really get into this I might break down and get a cuben fiber tarp next year, but it's a hella chunk of change.
    Tyvek sounds like a great way to go. Light weight and inexpensive.
    The only down side I could see is if it would hold up in heavy winds.
    If you selected your camp site for the best wind protection your tyvek should last for many years.

    I have 4 sylnylon hammock tarps different sized depending on the time of year and a cuben.
    After owning a cuben for 2 seasons I am no longer a fan of this wonder material.
    It's negatives out weigh it light weighness (hope that's a word)

    If weight is not too much of an issue the best deal I've found is a Kelty Noah's Tarp 9'x9' hung diamond shaped. This gives you 12' under the hammock.

    Syl nylon tarps do adsorb a small amount of water if it's really raining.
    You get an effect called misting under it. Where hard rain hitting a soaked tarp
    causes some mist to form under the tarp. It's very minimal and has not been a issue for me and I've been in some real downpours.


    04 Azonic Saber
    08 Yeti AS-x
    12 Rocky Mtn 29er Alt 970



  95. #95
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    And buy your wife a machine with metal gears!!

  96. #96
    ColoradoCoolBreeze
    Reputation: SingleTrackLovr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    679
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    Hmm, okay. I have never made one without shortening the sides, so I can't really comment on the flatness question. I lie right down the middle, as far as I know. Shortening the sides might make anything else impossible.
    Hi Bill,
    In the hammocking world that is called laying banana style.
    Next time you are in your hammock try laying feet left or right about 18"s and head about 18" opposite your feet. (feet right head left)
    You body should flatten out quite a bit and reduce the hyper extension of the knees.

    In my 11' hammocks I can lay almost flat when I lay a little asym.
    This also allows me to sleep on my side as well.
    If I want to lay on my left side my feet go right of center line and head goes left.

    Give it a try I'd love to hear if that works for you.

    04 Azonic Saber
    08 Yeti AS-x
    12 Rocky Mtn 29er Alt 970



  97. #97
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    Quote Originally Posted by SingleTrackLovr View Post
    Syl nylon tarps do adsorb a small amount of water if it's really raining.
    You get an effect called misting under it. Where hard rain hitting a soaked tarp
    causes some mist to form under the tarp. It's very minimal and has not been a issue for me and I've been in some real downpours.
    Sometimes they go a little thin with the "sil" part of the silnylon. you can fix it by repainting it with a thin coat of caulk/spirits. of course that makes it weigh more...

    tyvek seems risky. all those stitch holes look too much like perforations to me.

  98. #98
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    26
    Quote Originally Posted by SingleTrackLovr View Post
    I've never heard of anything negative on DD hammocks. If you'd like to do a little reading on DD's give this link a look.
    Does this hammock have a bug net? Do you need one for where you ride?

    DD Hammocks - Hammock Forums - Elevate Your Perspective
    Thanks for the tip. I live and ride in Finland, so I definitely need a bug net. Mosquitos here can be a real pain in the ass. Last summer was hideous.

  99. #99
    gran jefe
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    2,688
    Quote Originally Posted by SingleTrackLovr View Post
    Hi Bill,
    In the hammocking world that is called laying banana style.
    Next time you are in your hammock try laying feet left or right about 18"s and head about 18" opposite your feet. (feet right head left)
    You body should flatten out quite a bit and reduce the hyper extension of the knees.

    In my 11' hammocks I can lay almost flat when I lay a little asym.
    This also allows me to sleep on my side as well.
    If I want to lay on my left side my feet go right of center line and head goes left.

    Give it a try I'd love to hear if that works for you.
    This isn't even possible in mine. I bend my knees and lay over to the side and it works great. I need to try a hammock like yours sometime.

  100. #100
    ColoradoCoolBreeze
    Reputation: SingleTrackLovr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    679
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    This isn't even possible in mine. I bend my knees and lay over to the side and it works great. I need to try a hammock like yours sometime.
    If you have a 11'x60" piece of 1.5-1.9 ripstop nylon laying around you can sew one up pretty fast. My latest hammock was made from 1.8 tafata or if your ever in the Denver area and can spend a nite in the woods I'd be glad to show you around. The Colorado Trail seg 1-3 are great places to bikepack.
    I have 3 complete hammock kits with tarps and under quilts. You'd just need to bring a sleeping bag for the season.

    04 Azonic Saber
    08 Yeti AS-x
    12 Rocky Mtn 29er Alt 970



Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Members who have read this thread: 4

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •