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    Triton Bikes. Titanium frames handmade in Russia (see last pages for the latest news)

    Hello everybody!

    My name is Dmitry I am from Moscow, Russia.
    I run my small custom titanium frame business called Triton Bikes and would like to share a few photos of our products with you.

    Since I have always been mostly a trials rider and I know this scene through all my life, the frames we had built were trials-specific. I was a student and Triton Bikes was half-hobby half-business to me.

    I dropped this business in 2007 because I was taking a Master's degree in Italy in France and could not control the production. Still people wrote me and asked to build them a frame. But I could not.
    Then I worked for a European investment bank. But the crisis hit and I was kinda fed up with the office work, so I decided to give Triton another try

    So here I am back with my tiny business.

    Apart from biketrials frames we now offer all types of unicycle frames, from 20" to 36". Our 20" trials uni is only 520 grams and we are very proud of it
    Our unis are now being ridden in the US, Canada, Australia, New-Zealand, UK, Germany, etc.

    We have now made quite a few titanium XC frames. And they are a success among the riders. And since I am now an XC rider too, this direction is very interesting to me personally.

    We can basically build a frame of any geometry. We are quite limited on tube bending since titanium is no game. But any frame is available (XC, road, fixie, etc). The weight of an XC frame varies between 1580-1800 gr. Our frames are not for weight-weenies. But they are strong and reliable. And most of them are still obused after many years.

    There's no proper website yet, but it will be introduced shortly.

    Please have a look at some of the frames and bikes.

    I will be glad to answer your questions. Hope the administration of MTBR.com is not against this thread.



















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    If you remove the prices (so it doesnt look like an unpaid advert) you might be OK.
    Probably would have been better in the "frame building" forum too, but either way putting in prices (esp shipping price) makes it look like just an ad.
    E: See you've removed - I would guess it'll all be good from here on

    Looks very interesting (I'm a sucker for custom stuff though), weld quality looks superb, and there are some great little neat-touches that I'm a big fan of.

    BTW - if you want to send me a sample to test, I'd be happy to write up a decent review
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    Thanks, I removed the price tags.
    I am sponsoring a couple of trials and unicycle riders (mainly to receive feedback on the frames), but since the business is very young, I cannot afford to provide a sample to test.

    But I would provide a young promising athlete with a frame for a production cost price.

    They deleted my thread at roadbikereview...eh..
    I hope there's a proper way of letting potential buyers know about the brand.

    There are different rules on different forums and sites.

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    TWO THINGS

    1. What grade of titanium are you using, we saw lots of Russian Ti in the mid to late nineties that was not up to par with the 3AL/2.5V or 6AL/4V titanium produce here

    2. The name Triton is already used in the US for recumbent tricycles

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    That's gorgeous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    TWO THINGS

    1. What grade of titanium are you using, we saw lots of Russian Ti in the mid to late nineties that was not up to par with the 3AL/2.5V or 6AL/4V titanium produce here

    2. The name Triton is already used in the US for recumbent tricycles
    Thanks,

    1. We use OT4 Aerospace titanium which is an equivalent to international standard Ti - 4Al - l,5Mn.
    I live in Russia and I know all factories and their products here. Back in 2006 there were two factories producing for Triton. Now there is only one, where I spend a lot of time controlling the production and taking part in it. This is what I enjoy. I do what I love to do.

    The other factory signed a contract with the Russian ministry of defence and these guys are now building missiles They are not accessible to anyone else now. The whole area was shut for public.

    There are a couple of factories I know that sometimes use inappropriate tubing and welding techniques that lead to faults. This happens especially in trials and other extreme bike sports where frames are being bashed real hard. We did repair a number of frames built by these guys. So maybe this is what you mean.

    But I am proud of our frames when I see top Russian trials riders abusing them for years.
    Of course they fail sometimes. But this hardly happens compared to hardcore alu frames.

    2. The name Triton is used by hundreds of companies in the world to name their products.
    Apart from tricycles, there are Triton mopeds, there is a bike called Gary Fisher Triton, there a lot more non bike related products named Triton, for example Ford's 5.4L V8 Triton engine.
    The name Triton Bikes has its story, too.
    A friend of mine, Luke, runs a bike shop in London. It's called Triton Cycles. Since he was an investor to this startup, we decided to call this project "Triton Bikes" after the shop's name.
    The legal name of the company is Triton Bikes Co Ltd. here in Russia.
    But if anyone is legally against Triton, I can make up a US-friendly name for the US

    Cheers

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    I'm going to pretend I know anything about the different Titaniums....
    If you have to change the name in the US, I'd suggest something distinctly Russian.

    Comrade Cyles sounds cool to me but I can see where it might put other people off.....anybody else?

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    I'm now pissed off.

    I need to replace my old hardtail frame (its getting old and not in great condition), but I need to finish my big bike first (which is another month or two).

    I hate decisions


    PS- I was joking about reviews - its a fairly standard reply whenever anyone posts a new product here

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    Oh god OT4.... the problem with indicating its equivalent to Ti 4Al-1.5Mn is NOBODY produces that alloy outside of russia and china, so there's basically zero material data available for it online.
    I don't post to generate business for myself or make like I'm better than sliced bread

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    Oh god OT4.... the problem with indicating its equivalent to Ti 4Al-1.5Mn is NOBODY produces that alloy outside of russia and china, so there's basically zero material data available for it online.
    I know what you mean. Thanks to a 70 year isolation of Russia from the rest of the world. We have many things different here. Even the accounting system...

    But...erm...do you ride the bike or analyze materials? Hope this does not sound kinda offensive..
    When choosing a bike, I'd rather choose the one that feels good to me and enjoyed by other riders. Most of the customers that had ordered the frames had learnt about them from other riders.

    "Custom" means we can use fatter or thinner tubing for stays, or different types of bb yoke. All these actions can make the frame either flexy or stiff. With the same grade of Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsomtb
    If you have to change the name in the US, I'd suggest something distinctly Russian.

    Comrade Cyles sounds cool to me but I can see where it might put other people off.....anybody else?
    Comrade Cycles lol

    I think my granny was still in her twenties when they last used that "comrade" for addressing someone By the way, in Russian translation it is pronounced as "Tovarish" (Товарищ).
    Tovarish Bikes?
    Could be anything actually.
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    what did your country face in the past decades? revolution!

    what keeps a bicycle going? revolution!

    what's going to keep you going? revolt bicycles!


    ps. no, you don't have to pay me for that - one of your ti unicrown forks is fair enough i'll let you know the delivery address
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    The frames look incredible. I'll definitely check out the website when you get it going.
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    Taverish nails it imho and has a neat story behind it also.

    el saltamontes nailed it too, I think.

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    this is cool...do you also make 29er!
    i'm a full time bikeacholic also an workaholic and part time alcoholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liong71er
    this is cool...do you also make 29er!
    Absolutely

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    Maybe I missed it , where is your contact info ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Maybe I missed it , where is your contact info ?
    I didn't publish it on purpose. I thought the moderators would be against it.
    You can contact me by PM or email: Nechaev.Dmitry@gmail.com
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    Dmitry@ridetriton.com

    Thanks!

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    Yup
    But i don't like this site. It is more unicycle oriented. There will be newer and nicer version soon.
    But you can still write me at Dmitry@rideTriton.com
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    That 26'' mod trials frame is gorgeous!!!
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    By the way, if anyone's interested here are the Triton unicycles

    We built all types of them. From 20" trials frames to 36" torkers.

    Here is the new unicycle type we made.
    Multi wheelsize uni (24-26-29 inch) with three brake mounts, Surly-tire-friendly










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    Wow.

    Some of the dropouts, disc caliper tabs, headtubes, gussets and other parts look very familiar to me. The BB shell on that trials frame looks faced, which is great to see.

    It's also nice to see more machined parts that I'm used to. Have you figured a way to routinely introduce these in your designs?

    Can you weld some Paragon dropouts on a custom frame?
    How about some Hammerschmidt ready ISCG 05 tabs?
    Eccentric BB shells?
    Tapered (1.5" to 1.125") headtube shells?
    Hose and cable routing concealed inside the frame?


    And let's hope the second Ti tubing plant doesn't get involved in making missiles too.

    By the way, Revolt Cycles sounds somewhat BMX.
    Fallout Cycles maybe? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Random Psycho
    Wow.

    Some of the dropouts, disc caliper tabs, headtubes, gussets and other parts look very familiar to me. The BB shell on that trials frame looks faced, which is great to see.

    It's also nice to see more machined parts that I'm used to. Have you figured a way to routinely introduce these in your designs?

    Can you weld some Paragon dropouts on a custom frame?
    How about some Hammerschmidt ready ISCG 05 tabs?
    Eccentric BB shells?
    Tapered (1.5" to 1.125") headtube shells?
    Hose and cable routing concealed inside the frame?


    And let's hope the second Ti tubing plant doesn't get involved in making missiles too.

    By the way, Revolt Cycles sounds somewhat BMX.
    Fallout Cycles maybe? )

    (signed: yours sincerely, the guy with "leftist" derailer hanger )

    I know they can do ISCG05 tabs since my frame has them ()
    The rest, I dont really know.


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    Hey, my Ti frame has them too )
    This whole area on my frame looks very similar to yours, except mine has welded on covers resulting in a flat triangular shelf-like area behind the BB.

    What I'm getting at, however, is how precisely parallel the tabs are welded in relation to the BB shell face. This is critical for proper Hammerschmidt installation.

    I know that Lynskey do weld ISCG tabs in a Hammerschmidt ready way.
    But I don't know if anyone has ever tried to mount a HS on one of these Russian frames.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Random Psycho
    Hey, my Ti frame has them too )
    This whole area on my frame looks very similar to yours, except mine has welded on covers resulting in a flat triangular shelf-like area behind the BB.

    What I'm getting at, however, is how precisely parallel the tabs are welded in relation to the BB shell face. This is critical for proper Hammerschmidt installation.

    I know that Lynskey do weld ISCG tabs in a Hammerschmidt ready way.
    But I don't know if anyone has ever tried to mount a HS on one of these Russian frames.
    Depends on exactly how precise you need "precise" to mean.

    Having just had a quick look (sorry, no photos right now, maybe get some tomorrow if you want them) and it does seem to be very straight - my method of ascertaining this is not measured but precise enough.
    The inner crankbolt stubs (no bolts, bolts in clashed with the bolts securing the guide to the mounts) clear the aforementioned chainguide bolts by <1mm at all 3 points - maybe not a precise measurement but a good indication that it's pretty straight (the tightness of the gap making the margin of error smaller, if my logic is functioning correctly).

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnglishT
    Depends on exactly how precise you need "precise" to mean.

    Having just had a quick look (sorry, no photos right now, maybe get some tomorrow if you want them) and it does seem to be very straight - my method of ascertaining this is not measured but precise enough.
    The inner crankbolt stubs (no bolts, bolts in clashed with the bolts securing the guide to the mounts) clear the aforementioned chainguide bolts by <1mm at all 3 points - maybe not a precise measurement but a good indication that it's pretty straight (the tightness of the gap making the margin of error smaller, if my logic is functioning correctly).
    Thanks!

    But it seems that Hammerschmidt wants more precision than is possible to see with the eyes. That's why they make the cutting piece to face the tabs and the BB shell. Sadly, it's of little use against Titanium, so we have to rely on manufacturing precision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Random Psycho
    Thanks!

    But it seems that Hammerschmidt wants more precision than is possible to see with the eyes. That's why they make the cutting piece to face the tabs and the BB shell. Sadly, it's of little use against Titanium, so we have to rely on manufacturing precision.
    To be honest, I wouldn't be particularly upset if it turned out that I couldnt use a HS, for starters 1x9 (32 / 11-34) leaves very little to be desired. It's simple, light (could be lighter if I removed the chaindevice, but I don't particularly intend to) and reliable.

    Hammerschmidt, though a nice idea, doesn't particularly appeal to me due mostly to its cost and that I'm not sure that the added fuss, weight and need to shift are actually worth taking on when the occiasions that 1x9 isn't enough are so rare.


    All that said, I'd be rather surprised if they were unable to be precise enough if it was specifically requested, but thats really a question for Dmitry.

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    Yes, 1x9 doesn't need a Hammerschmidt.
    But I'm liking the idea of a "two in one" singlespeed bike for urban messing around. )
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    that bar/ stem looks sweet. for a company name how about KGBicyles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul
    that bar/ stem looks sweet. for a company name how about KGBicyles?
    Hahaha, I like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Random Psycho
    Wow.

    Some of the dropouts, disc caliper tabs, headtubes, gussets and other parts look very familiar to me. The BB shell on that trials frame looks faced, which is great to see.

    It's also nice to see more machined parts that I'm used to. Have you figured a way to routinely introduce these in your designs?

    Can you weld some Paragon dropouts on a custom frame?
    How about some Hammerschmidt ready ISCG 05 tabs?
    Eccentric BB shells?
    Tapered (1.5" to 1.125") headtube shells?
    Hose and cable routing concealed inside the frame?


    And let's hope the second Ti tubing plant doesn't get involved in making missiles too.

    By the way, Revolt Cycles sounds somewhat BMX.
    Fallout Cycles maybe? )

    (signed: yours sincerely, the guy with "leftist" derailer hanger )
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    Yeah, I have seen your "leftist" frame on the Russian bike forums. Was funny and sad at the same time.

    There are a few types of dropouts we are using I have designed myself and a few ones are generic.
    Paragon dropouts are optional. There are a couple of 29er frames ordered to run with Paragon dropouts.
    There have been over 150 Triton frames built, but Tom's (EnglishT) was the first one with the ISCG'05 tabs. I'd rather have a set of HS' on hands, just like Lynskey do.
    I may be putting the hammerschmidts on my future 29er bike. Also like this idea. I tried riding it a bit and felt fine. Though the price...

    > Eccentric BB shells?

    Yup. The Paragon shells.

    > Tapered (1.5" to 1.125") headtube shells?

    Well, it's a fairly new trend and nobody has yet requested such a headtube. It can be machined. But it will be an expensive part in bike frame (too much material will be lost since you have to shave off a cone out of a cylinder). I'd rather wait till guys like Paragon start machining them in large numbers and for lower price.

    > Hose and cable routing concealed inside the frame?
    My trials bike has got integrated brake hose guides. I really love this idea because I can carry my bike like a bag Just a round smooth top tube. See pics below.
    But that's a singlespeed trials bike. No gears, just rear brake. For a classic mountain bike you'd also need to hide cable routing inside the tube. I would pull the front mech cable through the down tube and the rear + brake through the top tube. But that's kind of too many holes in the front triangle. Needs to be tested.





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    Hi there, Dmitry!

    I also spy a rear rotor guard on your mod.
    Was it a one-off part or these are available to customers?
    How do you like its performance?
    Is it changeable and what kind of impacts (in terms of what failed moves) it can protect against without bending?

    (Edit: I just found some info on it on facebook.)

    And I still have lots more questions.

    For instance (if I take the traditional 1xN, derailer-based drivetrain route for the next version of my frame), is it possible to make the rear triangle offset 6 mm to the right, like some Specialized frames are?

    What's the strength/stiffness difference between chainstay bridges on my frame (covered) and Tom's (see-through)?

    I agree that it's better to wait for Paragon tapered headtubes.
    And it's really great to see the hidden cable routing.

    I'll ask more questions through PM now.
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    I love how you run the cables through the tube!

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Random Psycho
    Hi there, Dmitry!

    I also spy a rear rotor guard on your mod.
    Was it a one-off part or these are available to customers?
    How do you like its performance?
    Is it changeable and what kind of impacts (in terms of what failed moves) it can protect against without bending?

    (Edit: I just found some info on it on facebook.)

    And I still have lots more questions.

    For instance (if I take the traditional 1xN, derailer-based drivetrain route for the next version of my frame), is it possible to make the rear triangle offset 6 mm to the right, like some Specialized frames are?

    What's the strength/stiffness difference between chainstay bridges on my frame (covered) and Tom's (see-through)?

    I agree that it's better to wait for Paragon tapered headtubes.
    And it's really great to see the hidden cable routing.

    I'll ask more questions through PM now.
    I have always wanted a rotor guide on my trials bike. The trials motorbikes always had them and not a single bicycle. I did a number of sketches before drawing this thing. We put the first rotor guard back 2007 on my white 20" trials Triton. It has helped me a lot. When the wheel missed narrow wooden benches and fell off, it landed on the guard, not the rotor thus saving it. I'm a heavy guy (90-102kg depending on how much I eat ). The rotor guide always survived. It was a prototype used on my bike only. I dropped the bicycle business and never made them guards again.
    A few months ago a trials rider from the UK ordered a frame from and he wanted this guard So we made one for him.

    He used it within first days and reported me:

    Oh and the disk protector works! It saved my disk already lol.

    Thanks

    Dan
    Now there's another customer who has ordered a 24" street/trials frame with this guard. We have come up with the generic mount to make it interchangeable. The guards are machined out of D16t aluminum (Russian tech standards). It's quite a strong thing. It's mounted on 3xM6 bolts and protects you both from side and vertical impacts.

    Looks like our jig lets us make the 6mm offset.
    Tom's frame is intended for XC/Trail use. Your frame is more like a street style Your BB yoke is stiffer thus heavier. Tom's got the lighter one.
    For trials we use boxed yokes (like yours). For trail riding there isn't a need for a heavy duty yoke.

    thanks

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    Those are gorgeous.
    Never had any interest in owning a unicycle until seeing this thread.
    (Still won't buy one, but a Russian made HT frame... another story entirely)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowMongoose
    Those are gorgeous.
    Never had any interest in owning a unicycle until seeing this thread.
    (Still won't buy one, but a Russian made HT frame... another story entirely)
    Same story here.
    Never been a fan of unicycles until we built the first batch. Unicyclist friends helped us out to come up with the functional yet nice design and we fell in love we are building five unis now for demonstration purposes, and I will certainly start learning to ride those things soon.
    We don't have unicycles in Russia at all. Hope they don't arrest me for this haha
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    Tell us more about the tubes, are they butted? Is the flat stock the same grade? Can you show any pictures of the actual welding environment?

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    Czar would conflict with a well known trials brand..

    Big Brother Bikes? No, because the acronym for that is BBB, and it's already taken.
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    now the question is about the pricing...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuck_chorris
    now the question is about the pricing...........
    You can PM me for pricing.

    The price list will also be published at http://tritonframes.com shortly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yogii
    Tell us more about the tubes, are they butted? Is the flat stock the same grade? Can you show any pictures of the actual welding environment?

    For names I like: Czar(Tzar) Cycles, The Big Red One
    Czar bikes already exist. And they are Chinese trials frames and components.

    Guys, I have registered this thing as Triton Bikes ages ago and everybody knows me here as Triton Bikes. I hope the name will spread
    I am not looking for any other names and I don't want to go too Soviet Union since this production may move to Europe one day.
    We are now more into developing the line of production frames and components, rather than playing with the names

    I will be adding fabrication shots on the site too.

    All the frames pictured are of the same Ti grade. We will be offering Reynolds Ti versions soon.
    Two of my bikes are made of the Russian Ti and I have been obusing them for years.



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    The welding looks immaculate from the outside - mind showing the inside of some tubes? Great machined parts too.

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well

    Frames look great, I would roll with one of those around my XC trails

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    Nice looking. I had a Ti bike cuctom made in Russia in (I think) 2001... The dropouts and other details look very similar, so I suspect they are related to my old bike.

    FWIW, my Russian Ti bike is the only MTB frame I have ever owned that did not break in 2 years or less... 9 years and going strong now!
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    Relabeled rapid frames with a heftier price tag I suppose.

    http://www.rapid-titan.ru/frame_mtb.htm

    look at the dropouts:

    and the chainstay yoke:

    Quality control is somewhat lousy, there was a well-known frame with a hanger welded into the left side dropout, I've seen badly built frames with tubes joined askew.

    The thing is one can order frames directly from Rapid without any intermediaries.
    Last edited by dot; 04-19-2010 at 10:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dot
    Quality control is somewhat lousy, there was a well-known frame with a hanger welded into the left side dropout
    Haha, that's my frame, and I ride it extensively! I even prefer it the way it is.

    Jokes aside, one of things that Triton Bikes does for you is make sure that there are no build mess-ups. Another thing they do is value added stuff like Shark Fin brake rotor guard.

    I would have ordered from Triton in the first place if I knew about them a year ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Random Psycho
    Jokes aside, one of things that Triton Bikes does for you is make sure that there are no build mess-ups.
    That's the point but I don't know current prices and how much this guy charges, local prices (in Moscow) spiked in 2008 and I dropped the idea of ordering a custom frame from Rapid. I also had a Ti frame from another russian frame maker from Nizhny Novgorod, they are known as Titerra. Quality and weight both were fine.

    Frames from Titerra and Rapid were sold in Europe in America under many different names, I saw some made by them in a thread on one of the local forums, I don't remember which forum exactly it was though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dot
    Relabeled rapid frames with a heftier price tag I suppose.

    http://www.rapid-titan.ru/frame_mtb.htm

    look at the dropouts:

    and the chainstay yoke:

    Quality control is somewhat lousy, there was a well-known frame with a hanger welded into the left side dropout, I've seen badly built frames with tubes joined askew.

    The thing is one can order frames directly from Rapid without any intermediaries.

    Dear Dot, you are correct, we have built a lot of frames with Rapid. And it is not a secret, and never was. But using a welder from Rapid is not exactly building a frame at Rapid. As far as I know, all frames with Triton label were exclusively designed by me and Triton team riders in close cooperation with Triton customers. If some of our designs were used by Rapid itself, outside my knowledge, that is beyond our control.

    There are more than 150 Triton frames ridden all over the world. Most of them are trials 20”/26” and unicycles. I have been into trials for over ten years and I know how a trials specific bike should be designed. Rapid guys do not know this. They are building frames for Triton under our specifications and very tight control. Just like Merlin used to build frames for Jeff Jones.

    Before a frame is built, I spend a lots of time discussing the future bike with my customer, over the phone, email and Skype.
    I check every part of the frame built for us under Triton logo. I measure all the tiny bits, check the quality of welds, study the frame carefully. Also we at Triton do the finishing of the frame, such as brushing by hand and powder coating outside the Rapid. I did design and develop several trials, as well as street use dropouts that DO work and are put on our standard frame sets (and never failed yet).

    Our unicycles are sold in Europe by Triton's West European distributor Joachim Pfender ( a well known person in the world of unicycles). And his is another step in our quality control.


    Sure you can order a frame directly from Rapid. But you have already specified what happens when you do so. The mech hanger on the left side of the frame?


    - How does it happen?


    That is just one of many such misshapes that can occur often enough if no control of quality is done. And believe me, our quality control is done continuously. I spend many hours a week at Rapid facility. If the frame does not pass our inspection, we do not ship it. Easy. They make another frame, until we are completely satisfied with the result.

    It also happens because Rapid is a small shop (not even a factory), where some good workers that know their trade, such as welding and metal working, do their routine. But none of these guys ride bicycles, and know little of bike specific science, the riding styles and the needs in the specific categories, the tech changes and advances that take place in the bicycle world regularly. I do ride EVERY day. I commute every day, I ride my trials, XC and street bikes a few times a week. Something like a left-oriented mech hanger is nonsense to me. That is why all of our customers are happy with their frames. We have received tons of great responses and comments from all over the world. We have had quite a few customers who had ordered another frame after a year of riding Triton. The people trust our products and this is what satisfies me a lot and pushes me to do more bikes.

    These days we are in the process of moving into new workshop where we will continue to design and build Triton frames using top equipment, experimenting with different Ti tubing manufacturers. We will be offering some new products as well as options on our existing frame sets. But I can assure you, and every one, that no Triton frame will get that "TRITON" label and leave our hands, before we are completely happy with the results.
    And that is much more than just relabeling Rapid frames.



    We will be posting updates to the newly created blog at http://tritonframes.com

    Thanks,

    Dmitry and Simon
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